More Dems should have the courage to make this point. Trump officials conducting his unconstitutional orders should remember - every autocracy eventually falls. MAGA will be no different. Trump cannot shield them forever. Their participation in this blatant illegality is being thoroughly documented.
I agree. The orange guy cannot do it alone. The officials involved need to be reminded we see their complicity.
Except the foot soldiers faces.
as a Berlin resident, I wish this were true. Unfortunately, the majority of Nazis were not only never held to account., but were silently “rehabilitated” for if not, all employment sectors would be too understaffed to function. Only the highest level Nazi officials were held to account..
America accepted a lot of those Nazis along with Argentina. American didn't give a shit about them being murderers, they wanted their skills! Who gives a shit that you murdered how many people
On the other hand being / having been a Nazi was, in West Germany, so taboo that those functionaries mostly lived their Beamter lives quietly and faded ino the sunset. Meanwhile the BRD turned itself into a rich, complacent, pacifist democracy.
thanks for your reply. Maybe in a broad stroke overview, but on the ground countless abuses continued, including (former) Nazi judges ruling against victims. No denying Germany has excelled at creating an open society, but for the most part, there was no individual accountability and punishment.
Well, for some there was alienation and hatred from their own families when the truth came out. I think that was a lot of what 1968 was about in West Germany...
thanks for this reply as well. I agree. The initial post to which I replied, however claimed trump and MAGA+collaborators would be held to account as happened in Germany- hence my initial comment about most Nazis never being held to account never facing punishment (through the judicial system).
Let's say a bunch of masked federal goons show up with shackles and a black bag to go over your head, to take you off illegally to some detention block for who knows how long, where you might not even survive. Do you want someone to stop these criminals, or for them to be held accountable later. . ?
A thousand times yes!
You're right. MAGA will fail. Hopefully spectacularly, but I have a feeling it will simply disappear over time, quietly & without fanfare.
Dictatorships maybe - but not for decades and not until untold and often repeated harm is done .
A dictatorship is a system of government in which a single person or party has complete political power; often maintained by employing oppressive methods. Not years. You are there. He’s kidnapping and torturing ppl RN. Bullying any opposition. GOP says they are scared to speak up. He pardoned J6
GOP
I understood what you meant 😁 GOP, Heritage Foundation, oligarchs including all the ones bending the knee, etc Not one of them lifting a finger(I’ve actually seen 2 rich ppl do something about it)
GIP is 100% complicit!! They have enabled him since 2015! We are not to a dictatorship yet, but will be as he consolidates more power unhindered .
Maybe. I tend to think you are already there. Some states might be able to escape it by becoming independent but Texas and Mississippi, etc are already ruled by a dictator by proxy. Wanting to arrest lawmakers and having them flee the state? Being given impunity by the SC? The fed dems are helpless
History is watching. And it's taking down names.
True, though milquetoast Dems back in power looking to put this behind us and move on for the sake of unity and bipartisanship can very much shield them forever
My Governor is a mush mouth, a democrat in a 6/10 dem state. He's got to stand up to this, troops will be here too.
Please. He’s a 1/10 of 1%er hotel scion who will make more from one year of big ugly bill benefits than most us earn working a whole lifetime.
And Newsom is craven as hell too 🤷♂️ not sure who is going to be better for the country, but both of them are pushing back in different ways. It will be curious to see who else jumps on the populist band wagon
Pritzker has stated he is not running. I’m thinking there will be some midterm hero no one is thinking of.
Oh, I didn’t hear that, interesting. Wouldn’t be surprised if one of them get tapped for VP by someone else the
WHERE ARE OUR DEMS?
Book tours for their shitty books about being fucking losers
Or himself
Maine Gov Janet Mills: See you in court. ❤️
Canada will want to testify vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/08/11/b...
We're still scratching our heads about that one. First, where did he come up with this idea & then, why western Canada when the Maritimes are close neighbors? Not sure what he was thinking. 🤷🏼
😂😂😂 I can sort of explain the thinking. Maritimes will never leave Canada. Unfortunately we have our own MAGA and they are in Western Canada. It would be Alberta and a bit of Saskatchewan. One of our more left leaning province is British Columbia. Grouping them together was a big mistake 😂
It's crazy to watch all this from Europe
To us from all over the so-called 3rd world it' been like...I can't even put in words. It's a mixedfeelingspalooza. At the same time delicious and funny to watch, but also scary because as usual it all blows bellow the Equador.
By the way, this time Europe is just a few years behind in all the process. If you don't act now, soon will be your turn (unfortunately, again).
Man I wish I could
The farther away, the better.
Not always true, unfortunately. (See US war crimes in Gaza, for example.)
Name three. (No, "enabling" them by selling weapons doesn't count, unless you want to charge half the world with war crimes in Gaza.)
Yes, I do want to charge half the world with war crimes (or how ever many have provided weapons). Don't you? But my point doesn't depend on whether the crimes are charged, it's that we are clearly instrumental participants in the most horrendous crime of genocide. It's the horror of it all.
How many US troops are in Gaza? Isn't it zero?
As far as I know it's currently zero. Why do you ask, how is that relevant?
Right. So your position is that the US is doing "US war crimes" in Gaza from 1000s of miles away. No war means no war crimes, so Palestinians should come to the table, compromise and have peace.
Complicity in genocide is a war crime. The US is complicit in various ways, including providing weapons that are being used to commit genocide. These are clearly war crimes by the US. See: Genocide Convention (Art. III) and Rome Statute (Art. 25) Geneva Conventions U.S. law (18 USC §§ 1091, 2441)
As a Canadian I agree. All this is too close for comfort 🥵
It sucks to watch it from within 😕
Where the fuck are you @hakeem-jeffries.bsky.social ?!?!?! This is the ENTIRE CONVERSATION you are missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's akin to saying all forms of government always fail. That's been true so far, but eventually the code will get cracked. Technology is becoming more and more useful to authoritarians and there may come a day soon where they can exert control indefinitely
Who's gonna crack the code? Elon Musk? Don't be silly. These people aren't Darkseid, hunting for the Anti-Life equation. They're just reinventing the Panopticon and crappy marketing schemes, then selling the barely-functioning result to elites paranoid about peasant uprisings.
Trump won’t try to shield them at all, lol. No loyalty. Can’t wait until these guys all find out the hard way. Throwing away careers for a con man.
Courage and democrats is an oxymoron
This kick ass response (and Newsome's ridicule) are something Canadians have been waiting for.
ETTD in regards to the Trump officials.
How do we reward Pritzker's behavior here? How do we make it obvious to other office holders & candidates that this is what the people want and will support?
I was getting ready to tag Schumer and Jeffries, but they don't fucking care. They're owned by their overlords, AIPAC.
I would like to reach out to the people running a primary campaign against them, though
There doesn't seem to be anyone (yet) lining up to run against Jeffries in NY08. I'd love to see AOC primary Schumer in the Senate. That would give her some legitimacy for a presidential run in a few years, she's still young.
Call and write his office and thank him for speaking out so bluntly and braving so often (he's been doing it all year), donate to his campaign fund or charities he supports, etc. And tell your reps at all levels you'll do the same for them when they're as outspoken as Pritzker is being rn.
I sometimes wonder if he has thousands of pardons ready for his friends and cabinet members ready to sign in an instant before he dies.
Imagine being an ICE “official” and having a warrant out in Illinois. A boy can dream.
Another reason every Democratic governor should do this is the Maga and Republican elite absolutely cannot stand the communities of their supporters, they live and want to live and be accepted in blue jurisdictions and we should arrest them and put them in fucking prison
I live in solidly blue Dallas and could not agree with this more. Greg Abbott wouldn’t dare wheel his Christo-fascist ass around here.
If you see one, you know what to do. And it doesn't stop to Illinois.
Hell yes.
Like this bozo? www.reddit.com/r/TheLib/s/W...
"I hate Illinois Nazis."
Imagine how many ICE / SS troops might have warrants out on themselves? Certainly ICE is stocked with Jan 6th Insurrectionists (now pardoned) wearing long sleeves to hide their white supremacist tattoos and hide their ugly faces under masks! They all seem to be short overweight as well. 86 34F 47
One of the hard parts is Pritzker forcing blue on blue conflict. The brotherhood is strong, and it will take some very firm orders for Illinois cops to arrest ICE agents
Eh, there's also a lot of cops who are extremely territorial and don't want outside agencies stepping on their toes, particularly when there's no actual crisis happening.
Especially when the frame used to kjustify this is “Crime in X is out of control.”
*justify. This cat is not as helpful as he could be…
💯 This is how local Dem politicians need to frame it for local police—that outsiders are taking over their beat because they think they’re doing a bad job protecting their city.
THIS. The cops i know would NOT appreciate outsiders coming in and pulling BS.
The only thing that stops a bad guy w soldiers is a good guy w soldiers
I’m dreaming there is a meat packers mafia that Jay has assembled and provided with fake uniforms out of his own money
Blue epidemic "One-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police" "White nationalists pervade law enforcement" 10,000 family dogs killed by police every year (DOJ: "epidemic") "Police solve just 2% of all major crimes" "NYPD Costs $10 Billion a Year" "50% of municipal budgets
They simply would refuse to because they’re both Nazis
They beat the capitol cops and the gop claps the perpetrators
Don't underestimate the amount of good cops and how territorial all cops are. Local PD hates letting state PD come in and both hate it when Feds of any kind try to insert themselves.
How many people would like to be in law enforcement but aren’t because of how racist it is? He can give them a chance now.
It’s about invading our State unlawfully against the will of the people which him as a police has sworn to protect. ICE agents are treat to any Democratic state.
I bet there's at least a handful of Chicago pd embarrassed to be compared to ICE. At least a handful, right?
Are those ice stooges really cops though.
They're acting like slave catchers, so there's kind of a family resemblance 🤷🏼♀️
Probably a bit less if he deploys cops from neighborhoods ICE targets.
As of 2021, the Chicago PD preferentially hires white officers: abc7chicago.com/post/chicago...
He could deputize folks into the state police or state guard that believe in justice.
Trump is forcing this, not Pritzker. The same Trump who pardoned those who assaulted cops on J6. He's a tyrant. He's the embodiment of everything our founders fought against. But his deluded followers think they're the patriots
I agree it is hard to force blue on blue conflict. But an unlawful act is not that hard to observe and record. As many unlawful acts as possible should be documented and when "the pendulum swings back" the evidence should be presented to all. It should be made clear
to those involved that their illegal acts are being recorded and that justice will prevail. Many of those involved in the illegal activities could care less but there is a percentage that may reconsider their actions. At least I hope.
Pritzker isn't the one forcing this
Not an exaggeration to say that there are 2 kinds of Chicago cops: violent fascist thugs with no real accountability that abuse people for sport and the cops that cover up for them
ICE agents belong on the border. Does Illinois look like a state the border between us and Mexico ?
Those fckers don't belong anywhere. But EVERY US border counts for the 100-mile zone. www.aclu.org/know-your-ri...
Trump is forcing the conflict.
Sustained. No arguments here. It’s gotta happen though.
That's abuser language right there, which if course works for cops. But 1) he only controls state cops, which are usually built slightly different, and 2) it's farore likely they'd use National Guard who are generally less willing to harm non-combatants than cops.
Then they can find a new job. If there's a department out there willing to curtail ICE's abuses I can imagine there will be plenty of people to take those spots.
I’m sorry-WHO is forcing this conflict?
I think he meant lawyers and judges, not police
I don’t think this threat was limited to ICE agents. Sounded like anyone in the admin whose actions hurt the people of Illinois, with no time limits.
Greg Abbott has had Texas state police occupying Austin for years. The city demanded they leave and explicitly prohibited APD cooperation with them. APD did whatever the fuck they wanted, they work with them all the time.
Ice are basically people too out of shape and stupid to be real cops, we'll see if the loyalty holds when their jobs are on the line.
It’s not necessarily about arresting them. It’s also about denying “support” or providing back up.
I'm sure the governor can put some pressure on continuing future employment for Chicago's "finest"
Man can we put “Chicago’s” in quotes too? Most of them live like 3 feet inside the city limits and only because the job requires them to
“Jefferson Park Police Department” is more accurate, but not quite as catchy.
See? They can adjust their lives to meet requirements
NYPD, SFPD, and other cities too Unfortunately because: "White nationalists pervade law enforcement" "One-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police" "Police solve just 2% of all major crimes" 10,000 family dogs killed by police every year (DOJ: "epidemic") "50% of budgets
White nationalists pervade law enforcement. Forks found in kitchen.
I mean part of the problem is cop unions have too much power (I support going after ICE fully to be clear). Its slightly different, but the NYPD basically fucked over Bill De Blasio at every opportunity because he lightly pushed back one time. They even doxxed his daughter
Hell Kamala Harris is as publicly pro "let cops do whatever they want" as a Democrat can be and the police in CA basically rescinded all support from her after disagreeing with them a single time
We need professional insurance for cops. That would solve so many problems.
This might be of interest: www.npr.org/sections/mon...
Indeed. I’ve lived in 2 countries where cops are required to be indemnified and bad cops wash out FAST.
ICE is not Blue !
Disclaimer; this individual has admitted to training cops on the West Coast.
They meant blue as in "back the blue", not leftist.
No blue on blue means police on police
That's what I mean; it's one police group against another. ICE is a police org, even if it's a federal one, and even more fascist than your usual police org.
Feds are not viewed as police by police officers or deputies. And that is maybe the piece that saves us. Discussing this this morning, “this is my city not yours”. I believe that it will come down to Feds getting arrested. USC 1983/85 failing to take action to stop a violation.
I don't care what cops think, feds are still cops. Maybe local cops don't think so, maybe it makes them get mad, that's all great, but logistically feds are just cops with wider coverage.
Actually their preview is much narrower than state county and municipalities. That is why this is a deal currently. They need to start getting hooked up and their anonymity stripped and the only way that is going to happen is when cops start booking them. It will come down to this!
Any plan that relies on "Cops being willing to take on the Fed" is a plan that I have zero confidence in.
Or they can be terminated for insubordination. And that should happen.
If only. Unfortunately police unions ensure that's nearly impossible.
Yes police unions are powerful. That is why it has to be done correctly, documented. Pretty easy in this case. However a lot of firing is done for political reasons and when that happens they done document and follow the legal process.
No it won't. It will take one ICE newbie to put hands on a cop.
Remember: #FuckICE is just a specific flavor of #ACAB
That's the joke. They all probably have warrants out for them in many states. This hypocrisy about the ski masks isn't to protect themselves or their families, it's to hide the fact that ICE is hiring criminals. And if they aren't criminals already, they will be after one week in ICE employment.
100%. One day we’ll find out they’re hiring rapists by the trainload.
Lots of disgraced former cops, J6ers, and white supremacists. The ones you see on the videos with no masks smiling? They enjoy what they are doing. They love the violence. They can't wait to stick it to anyone who isn't white.
“Liberals ruined the country.”
100%! Also they need to stand up for their constituents. A big takeaway for me from Dem passivity is "holy crap they will let absolutely anything happen to any of us!"
Absolutely right on! Dem leaders have been awful and really need to step it up in many ways.
REMINDER ... The Nuremberg trials explicitly rejected the "following orders" defense as a justification for crimes against humanity. The trials emphasized that individuals have a responsibility to disobey illegal orders, esp those that violate fundamental principles of int'l law.
Which is why Trump's goons wear masks...
And Uganda & El Salvador can't claim they were "just following orders" either. Their countries should have due process too
And when I was in USAF Basic in '86, we had two days of classes on the difference.
"Eventually" is usually at least a generation, unless the autocracy picks a military or economic fight with another nation that is superior in either aspect This could turn in the next couple years! Or it could last so long that what emerges as opposition is what has replaced the moribund Dem party
45 is not liked by the EU. He might partner with Putin but the EU has a good chance, with 🇨🇦 and 🇲🇽 on its side More likely a civil war is going to happen and those in red states, even if they voted blue, will stay under GOP control. Blue states, 🇨🇦, 🇲🇽 with help from EU will resist That’s best case
Meanwhile Hakeem Jeffries is calling everything a distraction and telling us to just shut up until the midterms.
@hakeem-jeffries.bsky.social is useless. I wish we could just fire people, instead of having to wait to vote them out. Cuz Jeffries and Schumer would be long gone. They're too busy counting their fucking money to give a shit about America
And when the pendulum does swing: the metaphor for what comes next shouldn’t be forgiveness, but Nuremberg. Hard, aggressive, unforgiving.
45 put sanctions on ICC judges for issuing arrest warrants against Net et al for war crimes. Cannot wait to see how the GOP fares at Nuremberg I hope this time ppl also get punished for doing nothing. Seeing the constitution trampled every day and doing nothing amounts to treason.
I’m sure Schumer will offer a strongly worded letter. Crockett may come better prepared. And I agree- those who stood by fecklessly should lose all credibility and influence.
It’s sad that ppl don’t give the new generation a chance. They haven’t been bought and aren’t jaded yet. I wish ppl could vote on performance. Crockett’s background as a lawyer helps, I think. And AOC is always prepared. Elect competence over race, age, ethnicity, etc.
Schumer has been sold to the oligarchs for years. They employ his family! Bernie calls them corporate Dems. None of them care about you. They are there to make money. Actions speak louder than words jacobin.com/2022/08/chuc...
When ICE is crushed, and eliminated, there will be a money trail. We will find out who was paid for rounding up innocent Americans. How much the bounty was, who was hired with criminal backgrounds, who profited from the concentration camps, etc.. prosecutions will follow.
Someone should set up a website listing all the officials and the possible criminal acts they have carried out under Trump’s instruction. Some, such as Bondi, might do well to reflect on the future that faces them.
You set it up. we need it. good idea.
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Some left don’t recognize the need for Gavin rn. He is taking heat away, maintaining the spirit of “fuck you” to a seriously overbearing government, and waking citizens up to receive ppl like Pritzker. I may prefer Pritzker, whomever, but don’t diminish it for some far off election we might not see.
Not sure where ppl are commenting on Newsom on this thread. My network wants ALL Democrats to stand up and make noise. The more the better It’s not a competition. It’s our survival
Seems like most Democrats are counting their cash from AIPAC and millionaire and billionaire donors. They don't seem to give a shit about America. The people who voted to confirm his cabinet members deserve to lose their jobs. And when it comes to shedding the government down, let it happen
Yup. Need to get money out of politics. You need public servants at heart. Not grifters looking to make a quick buck. How are so many politicians ending up millionaires while people keep getting worse and worse services and support. Makes me angry.
If only one side is “getting money out of politics,” while others continue marching on and buying up media, I’m not sure what kind future you have. That’s not to say you can’t reject some but it’s self defeating in a general sense under* corporate capitalism.
Of course. Both sides need to be held accountable by an objective third party. Reversing Citizens United is a good place to start Fairly taxing the rich would also help There is a massive cleanup needed to fix the system that allowed this to happen
Agree fully! But im listening to others rn who are meeting the moment but also not. There’s a hyper focus on 2028 elections, far off into a questionable future, without any real digesting of the existing threat. They don’t need to rally around him, pick another! bsky.app/profile/el-c...
Yup. I get it. Lots of ppl still in denial. I say there is no way he allows elections he might lose. He’ll declare war, he’ll get the SC to change the rules. What I don’t understand is where the strategy is. I do strategy for a living. Doesn’t seem to be one. They are all reacting to the moment
Totally agree
For instance when the Convicted Felon kicks the bucket, who is gonna save their unconstitutional hide?
Lmao I'd love to see Vance try. He'd fail so fast
Vance will do whatever Peter Thiel tells him to do. That’s what concerns me; Vance will be worse than Trump, because the apparatus is controlled by extreme fascists.
I’ll be surprised Vance engenders the same loyalty with ragtag MAGA & squishy GOPers. His ability to bulldoze & gaslight critics sucks… but Thiel and the Tech Fascists do have ca$h…
45 wants junior to take over. Unless Barron is old enough. He plans to make it a family dynasty.
Cokehead or Lurch Jr. The charisma is absent. Nixon had more than either of the Convicted Felon’s spawn.
Maybe but I am seeing a lot more ppl eating up what jr says than Vance. Remember you are not their target audience. They are targeting those who fall for low effort grifters You and I don’t get it. 45 repulses me. But yet ppl get his last name tattooed on their foreheads 🤷♀️
I see that. We’re in the find out stage & if the Convicted Felon kicks the bucket soon, we’ll still be finding out about Vance/Theil or Cokehead/Lurch… it’ll be continued chaos either way.
Some of the ones behind the scenes are a bit smarter. So they likely have a plan. I really hope it doesn’t work but mainly I hope the outcome is a better democracy for the people by the people.
Charisma doesn't matter in fascism
I hadn’t thought of that. Right. Then it’s about keeping power through any means. You need charisma to be elected then you need to be ruthless to keep it. Like in North Korea Control the message, control access to resources, instil fear and voila!
You don't need charisma to pander to the maga idiots that voted for you. Trump knew that
