I talk to a ton of J6ers and if a chunk of them had jobs with ICE I’d have some idea. Mostly they can’t stop crying about being unemployable.
I talk to a ton of J6ers and if a chunk of them had jobs with ICE I’d have some idea. Mostly they can’t stop crying about being unemployable.
Maybe it’s the ones who didn’t get caught?
How many people were violent and weren't IDed by sedition hunters or the feds?
If a person showed up at the Capitol that day and didn’t go into the Capitol, I still call them J6ers because they have the thug mentality to be doing this.
So you are suggesting that ICE is specifically recruiting people who were present on J6 but who didn't bother to do any violence or go inside the Capitol at all? Ok.
I’m suggesting that people who have the grievances, attended the J6 rally but stopped short of violence/going into Capitol which were many, could apply for ICE jobs because it is a “legit” way to act on their grievances. ICE just has to post jobs and these thugs have the profile/desire to apply
I mean quite frankly, who gives a shit if random people who went to a protest and didn’t do anything wrong apply to work for ICE?
Why I care? These people are easily manipulated (Big Lie) and made the effort get to DC on J6 so applying to ICE would give them legal cover to more aggressively serve the cult. This is an opportunity for them, and Trump/Noem will easily control them to cross legal/ethical lines more than others
The kinds of people who were at J6 are the exact kind of people who have always been ICE agents since the creation of the agency.
Ok. Whatever. But there wasn’t a fascist as president* with loyal fascists enacting an illegal mass deportation policy which aims to deport 1 million people a year so I think they need to up the asshole agent percentage. These guys have special sauce.
Unless they are sleeper agents, I can't imagine how it's possible someone who went to the Ellipse and then milled around the Capitol lawn for an hour has a special sauce.
It’s wild that even after Ferguson, George Floyd and J6th that liberals still have this magical belief that the people who join law enforcement like ICE are good people.. only turned evil by Trump.
It’s not like peaceful left-wingers have been the people employed by ICE in the past.
Not like there's a shortage of shitty-ass racists looking to punch-down on anyone they can.
Day made.
Tarrio is literally begging for Trump to deputize the Proud Boys and running a shitty memecoin scam to fund his lawsuit against the DOJ. They’ve got ambitions, sure, but they’re still losers at heart!
They are unemployable everywhere but within the Trump administration.
They can't even get a job selling ITALIAN ICE!
They certainly behave like Ice agents & vice versa. I’m not convinced there’s not a straight pipeline to steady employment. They’re certainly beholden to mango.
Name one of them!
I’m no journalist & I don’t have to speak to them to see a correlation in behaviors. Maybe when “someone” gets the ice agents names we’ll know more. There’s a reason they hid their faces isn’t there.
Nobody wants to hire hardworking Americans anymore smdh
If US ever rids itself of this nazi puppet regime and gets out from unders Putin mesmer there should be retraining available for those poor dumb fucks who I can't help feeling are as much a victim of Trump as everyone else if not even more so. They could get work as Guillotine operators maybe.
Unemployable just means the j6ers can’t pass a polygraph: doesn’t mean ICE isn’t using them on a cash per immigrant, head basis! 🧌
Provide any evidence that they are mass hiring J6ers.
Who would have thought that Little Bush’s answer to his fuck to with 9/11, would be going so well? Needs to be abolished.
A ton ..... really?
What are you asking me?
How many ICE agents in a ton? 🙃
What?
They're independent contractors.
Prove it. If they are mass bringing on J6ers, name one.
I didn't say ICE was mass hiring J6 criminals.
Name one contracted to work with them.
You're off on a tangent.
You're replying to a post about this not happening by saying it is happening. When I ask you for proof, you say I'm on a tangent? Why is that?
You're berating three different accounts, asking us to prove ICE is mass hiring J6 criminals. We've all corrected you-none of us made that claim, and instead of admitting that you were wrong, you changed your demand.
Three accounts? I have no idea what you're talking about, but considering you replied with an assertion I thought that a) you were responding on topic and not randomly saying whatever popped into your head, and b) that you would be able to name on single J6er contracting with ICE.
It's not my fault you decided to reply off topic to something. How was I supposed to know you didn't mean they were mass contracting with J6ers? I guess you meant just like one or two guys?
Right, you've gone off on three different accounts with this same mistaken assumption, so it's clearly not a you problem. 🙄
"Unemployable. I'm very happy to hear that in connection with j6ers.
Unemployable in the real world, but not in Trump/puppy killer world.
Then why are they saying they can't get jobs anywhere? Why are they losing their homes and declaring bankruptcy? Offer one single crumb of actual proof, please.
I am not disputing your reporting nor did I imply I had proof otherwise. All I said is being unemployable by actual employers who don’t want to hire convicted criminals - pardoned or otherwise - doesn’t necessarily preclude them from being hired/contracted with by the Trump Administration.
But I'm saying they're complaining they don't have jobs. The are not literally saying "I'm unemployable" they are, every single day, talking about not being able to find work, losing their homes, declaring bankruptcy. You seem to be saying otherwise.
I’m not. Not sure how I can clarify. As I said, I have no knowledge of whether there is one J6er employed by ICE. All I said was unlike the average employer, criminality is not a problem for the Trump Administration. My comment ends there.
I didn’t realize you were just coming in with random and unrelated commentary about stuff that wasn’t being discussed. Sorry.
OMG.
Lol
This didn't surprise me beyond the diversity of the applicant pool.
bsky.app/profile/notu...
Yes, I think it makes it clear that it is NOT primarily J6ers or J6-types.
Sorry I have just been bombarded with thousands of the most bat shit insane replies that I have a skewed perception reading replies now lol
Understandable!
Believable. They were pardoned which means they admitted guilt. They are guilty so shows on records & shit. Related: I'd like to feel as though bounties aren't being paid by ICE etc. And Noem is already way over budget.
That last sentence made me happy…
As it should be.
I wish that J6/PB fudd would stop. They’re career feds doing it poorly and untrained. Inspectors, desk people now in the field. Many, maybe most are scared shitless. Not vigilantes but gov gone wild. We gotta keep the pressure. Show up when they do. Make them leave the area. Out them. We win.
Last I heard a significant amount were Corrections officers... which actually squares with the behavior. People who work in the prison system, & folks who wanted to be cops but didn't make the cut...
The beauty of when the justice system fails is it’s inability to stop cultural justice. They cannot get jobs because they are being shunned.
That’s good to hear. May they never find work again. May they be pariahs for the rest of their long miserable lives.
Every blue state should do what Illinois did and bar them from working in their state.
Every state.
Do they talk to you knowing what you do?
Everyone knows who I am.
As it should be
It’s not J6ers but it probably IS the folks who’ve spent the last four years making a lot of noise about how they totally would have been there on J6 if it weren’t for [insert excuse here]
The only thing I'm addressing here is whether or not there has been a mass hiring of J6ers.
Surprise! Who wants to hire violent criminals and seditionists?
They’re also crying about being undatable. Forced into Inceland
Not quite forced though. Drove 1000 miles into Inceland chanting "We're going to Inceland woooo fuck y'all" and now sad it's hard to emigrate.
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I think, that -uncomfortable as this truth may be- it is VERY easy to find people willing to bully and harass and even to use violence against other people by giving them a "mandate from the government" to hunt "the others" watch "the wave" for reference and/or read a history book about wwII
They have no idea how unbelievably fortunate and privileged they are to be merely *unemployable* after what they did.
The idea that people that were doing Instagram lives while committing crimes, would be able to stay 100% quite, every single one of them!, about being deputized as white supremacist heroes, is ludicrous. J6ers ICE is part of BlueAnon cope. Abolish ICE people were right and centrists hate this.
People find it hard to accept that there’s just a lot of mediocre people with no moral center filling a lot of jobs, not just law-enforcement. Like a lot of the people we meet in life and think are nice enough or not actually at their core.
*ARE not actually…
This, and the fact that they can roam around with fake or no license plates, dress grungy, wear masks and have no ID. How is this legal?
Lmao
Any chance many of these knuckle dragger ice cubes in LA are really small town reserve officers/deputies from out of state under the ICE 287g program. What a liability for their home jurisdictions. www.ice.gov/identify-and...
Out of curiosity (and possibly as a strategy to avoid these people) how do you come into contact with them and what do you all chat about?
I have a violent neo-Nazi stalker who is one of them, and I'm a journalist. Try not being a journalist or a woman. You'll be fine.
Holy shit, please stay safe out there and thank you for putting this out there!
of course! they're riding high on trump still, though there's a few of them who were making more money sadposting and grifting on go fund me before the pardons hahah
Horrible. Despicables. Do you ever hear any regret what they participated in?
Those ones I think avoid media a lot more, but honestly they generally do not. I'll be curious where they are in a few months, though. They really thought they would be lionized, labeled as heroes, and given the world. The simple pardon isn't enough.
Good grief! I’m partly asking because I have a number of websites like this, and I’m trying to figure out ways to build momentum against this insanity, and the J6 folks are just so much more serious than I think people realize… Should we publicly shame them more? colossaldicks.com
Also don't go to their events like I do. That'll help! www.thenation.com/article/poli...
It appears there is not a shortage of low-quality people who are happy to do terrible things.
Especially if they are guaranteed complete anonymity.
Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas. Your crying "J6ers" made a bad choice in life.
Point to where I said J6 was good, please.
Sorry. I found myself using "you" instead of "whoever" in reference to hypothetical people.
ah ok ty was concerned. i do not endorse!!!
Thank you too! Was probably trying to fit into number of characters limit -- never again! Yup, thanks - I needed that!
Me neither!
It's not who the pretenders posing as federal agents are - the attackers of police & trashers of federal property who for some reason (???) trump let loose, TrenDeAraugua, or random gangs of yahoos -it's that thuggish ICE behaviour opened the door for them to kidnap unimpeded, assumed to be feds.
Ok thanks for bringing up something totally unrelated.
Meaning some people may equate the thuggish lawlessness of "j6ers" and the thuggish modus operandi of ICE and create conspiracies to connect the two. Probably lowers ICE morale to be linked in some Americans' minds to people who attacked federal agents, since they themselves are federal agents.
You're welcome! By the way, as you speak to tons of 'j6ers', have any said why they think trump pardoned them? (Like because he supposed they'd learned their lesson, or the whole lot of them had been exemplary prisoners and changed their ways? Because they showed remorse? or what?)
? Because they did it for him? Why else? What lol
So no wonder that some people assume they are now doing other thuggish acts for him, since that's why he let them out. It could explain why some people see a circumstantial link between ICE masked people snatching presumed immigrants for trump and unknown anonymous snatchers doing likewise.
Right, I was never confused about why people believe a dumb conspiracy.
Oh. I thought your orig. Q. was "can someone explain why ...", I thought you meant, why some people believe "j6ers' are working for ICE, wondering what they'd have to gain from it anyway, and what they'd do with the people after they grabbed them. So, right answers, wrong question.
Also, the majority were affluent middle-aged boat-owning Magats who got violent on the heels of a smaller number of truly thuggy Proud Boy types. They don't want to do a hard physical outdoor job interacting with poors and furriners. They look down on it.
Thank you. A couple of them died from just attending Jan 6, they’re not meeting the physical requirements for this job.
Hard to imagine Isabella DeLuca taking a break from eating raw meat to do some violent human trafficking.
Zomg, I just looked up who this is. What a fucking weirdo.
I'm sure with food safety a thing of the past this will continue to be completely fine and never cause a moment of concern or discomfort. As a result, we should definitely not worry about her eating all the raw meat she wants. (Caution literally anyone else who considers it, but she'll be fine.)
WHY
Great question.
It makes the most sense as fetish content
Barf - but also sadly probably on point
Lol gross
For real. I feel like we were all better off when we hadn't heard of this person
Do you think Jaggoff6ers would need to be paid to do what masked ICE agents are doing? Why the masks?
You're suggesting the only reason to wear a mask is to hide being a pardoned J6er? If not, not sure why you're asking about it. I've gone of this with hundreds of people, so you can read the endless replies -- though if you have even one tiny ounce of actual evidence to present, I'll engage.
Hi Amanda - one example
He enjoyed his 60 days in jail. Wants more.
Yes there are people who buy ice jackets off of Amazon and walk around in them. They did this under Biden as well. This has nothing to do with proving that the masked men kidnapping people are January 6ers.
Hi Amanda, there have been posts identifying J6ers and wearing masks is to hide all identities to prevent future prosecution for some of the violence.
Great, show me these identifying posts.
Border Patrol has long been known for corruption and other illegal activities; ICE is just more of the same.
I’m not even clear on what this conspiracy theory means, and I think the people spouting it also don’t really know. Is it that J6ers/Proud Boys/whoever are acting on their own as vigilantes or that they’ve been quickie hired or deputized by ICE?
I tried asking. I turned off replies bc I mostly got incoherent drivel, but a couple people walked through it a bit with me.
ETTD
Small wins. :)
A shard of good news, ty
i'm glad they're unemployable, did they share why? (besides the obvious). I imagine it's more "they're worried if i disagree with a policy i'll storm the construction site and hostile takeover the office" and not "the boss politically disagrees with me."
People won't hire them bc they are J6ers.
No, but Proud Boys and 4 Chan Basement dwellers?
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I think more than a few of 'em are just cops on detail.
This comment warms my heart. May they never find gainful employment. Only one J6er deserves any respect and it's the one that refused the pardon.
As much as I want to believe the other thing, this is probably correct.
@noturtlesoup17.bsky.social Do you have any idea where the combative ICE operatives are coming from? They seem well equipped, but poorly trained, and in less than peak physical shape. Unregulated militia? Off duty cops acting out worst impulses? Or is this just who ICE is?
Been consistently scolded for trying to dispute that the masked feds and militarized cops here aren’t actually all the ~dozen J6ers from AZ which includes a man that dresses like a buffalo 24/7, another that cosplays as Moroni 24/7, and a guy with the most identifiable bowl cut known to man.
What percent of them got arrested, charged, convicted, and did time? I image a lot of them never got caught. Then there’s all their supporters who weren’t there that day. And all the family members with the same viewpoints who were at home that day. It doesn’t have to be convicted J6ers
My company, and those I worked for previously, ask on the standard application whether someone has ever been convicted of a crime. Those J6ers would have to answer "yes" and explain the conviction & sentence. Sure they can add that they were pardoned. They likely wouldn't even apply bacuse of that Q
The J6 rocket scientists are not sure how to list their insurrection, conviction and pardons as line items on their CVs. Maybe they should consult ChatGPT?
tRUMP’s go-to for “Federal Police” during the summer 2020, were prison guards employed by BOP. These people barely qualify as law enforcement. Training in management of prisoners does not prepare them to deal with protestors nor detain people on the streets The fake ICE include BOP guards.
i don't know what i'm looking at, sorry
Finally, some good news
Now they all get a chance to enlist and show us how patriotic they really are. They should be in the front of the recruitment lines BEGGING to be allowed to show their love for trump.
No jobs for J6ers?
I'm embarrassed to say I figured people were using it as a metaphor in rhetoric, of course they meant it literally
Yeah, I assumed it was being said like "isn't it alarming that it could literally be anyone, including them?" and not "it is definitely them"
IMO they are cops/sheriffs earning extra pay. They aren't in their normal uniform for obvious reasons, and the gator/mask is to avoid detection that would connect them to their real job. And shooting someone would be highly problematic, so they're not trigger-happy. But, who knows. www.ice.gov/287g
I have a very easy time believing it’s just a problem with the specific kind of assholes that would do this sort of work, and not some kind of conspiracy. I pretty consistently believe Trump and the people who work for him are actually just stupid, there’s not some cloak and dagger shit happening.
It’s unpleasant to believe we lost to the biggest moron on earth twice, but I also have no problem believing other Americans are even stupider than he is… so…
You may be right, but can we not make assessments based on how many people 1 person talked to…
But it’s replacing assessments based on civilians looking at some guys in photos and deciding that they are not feds based on how they’re built and dressed.
That’s totally fair too!!
Your side should do one single ounce of journalism instead of yapping bullshit.
First, what side? Second, I’m not a journalist. Third, you’re mad because I didn’t like a claim based on one person’s conversations. Pretty sure that’s true in journalism too.
No im not mad I just think you’re an idiot.
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Thanks T
They seem to have trouble processing the reality that a pardon is not an exoneration.
Why no J6er statue in Trump Hero Garden? :(
Don't give him ideas....
Oh I'm sure Ed Martin came up with it already.
What if they aren’t employed, but acting on their own? Do you think that’s possible? You know- the “stand by” part of Trump’s plea.
What are they doing in this scenario? Hundreds of J6ers are kidnapping people and dropping them off at jails for free?
I think it’s possible there’s some complicity between law enforcement, J-6ers, and ICE. And I don’t think that would be a surprise.
Many agents of ICE and its predecessor organizations were always like this. The lowest of the low in the federal law enforcement hierarchy in terms brutality and the poor treatment of arrestees.
It's cope so brunch-oriented Americans don't have to face the fact that this is Biden's ICE, Obama's ICE. Surely they would have cleared out the monsters, right? It must be all new hires! 🤣😂😢
Sure, it's possible some are applying for jobs there. And many would jump at the chance to work! But there are only 1500 of them, and there are definitely more than 1500 Americans willing to do this stuff.
My read is that there's almost certainly nobody from the 1500 pardonees working for ICE/DHS right now, but to the extent that there's anybody who was at J6 in ICE it's guys who were already ICE/DHS agents on J6 (which is definitely a non-zero number, but much harder to confirm)
I well-paying job where you got to be a violent asshole to someone you view as inferior? The only reason there aren't more applicants is because too many people would fail a background check.
ICE pays quite low!!
Really? I thought it was higher than average for the given requirements. Shows what I know.
it starts at like 27k, which is honestly probably a deterrent for some people who have a higher standard of living and can't afford to do it for love of the game
That’s … really low for a federal job start level. Well, maybe not for law enforcement federal, I’ve no experience with that area.
ERO will start someone with zero experience or education as a GS5. When you factor everything in they get up closer to around 45k a year but thats still pretty bad in most major cities. Which is why most federal cops come over at higher GS scale/pay due to experience and such.
That’s a little more what I’d expected. I mean most jobs, government or no, don’t pay great city wages but that sounds more in line from what I know of current federal jobs in other areas.
Not to "well actually" but typical ERO agents with zero experience start around GS 5 and even with minimal overtime and all the weird bonuses the cops make as well as location it'd be closer to 45k and most advance pretty quick. And that would be someone with zero experience, a rare hire.
Okay that is more what I’d expect. (But also: no first or second hand experience with federal law enforcement. State, DOD, Revenue, and others yes. LEO/Feds no.)
I worked at ICE as a FOIA/PA analyst about 10 years ago and came in as a GS-9. Most of the new LE officers/agents i met were around a GS-7 and middle step, I can't remember ever meeting a GS 5 at DC HQ but I avoided ERO officers like the plague.
this is almost minimum wage where i live.
Yeah it's for sure not good pay in the LE field.
Do ICE agents get overtime and hazard pay and holiday pay?
Yes. And location differentials, LEAP and many other bonuses.
Looks like the $27k figure is based on the 2012 pay scale.
Yeah just base pay and thats if they would hire someone with zero education or experience that would get a higher payscale.
Clara quote tweeted my OP with that number and I just went with what she had said, sorry!
That’s high starting wage for a cop and that’s what these guys are. By cop standards they’re pretty laid back. They haven’t killed anybody and it’s been months. Regular police have killed about 500 people since the inauguration
Ok.
I even made charts (and was more charitable about the number of j6ers). Classic base rate fallacy.
Only 1500? Total?
So you think the ones who didn't bother to do violence on J6 are now the ones tapped to be part of some super secret violent division of DHS? Ok.
Didn't say that. I'm taking issue with "there are only 1500 j6s" that's all. A number was given and I believe it to be misleading.
Tiring, stupid, annoying.
Still wrong to say they're was only 1,500 January 6 participants.
That's how many were pardoned. Is the argument now going to be that the people who were there and didn't even go inside have somehow been activated as sleeper cell vigilantes?
I never believed the "pardoned j6s" are doing mass immigrant kidnappings. But to say only 1500 people were involved in J6 is misleading IMO.
Sadly, a lot seem to be latinos that have been fed thw lie that they're one of thw good ones, and this will never happen to them. Yes the majority are white people. But I've seen reports of quite a few latino men being in their ranks. I don't understand how one can be that ignorant.
Ultimately, the J6 community is a group of people with personalities that often don't mesh, all forever linked by this one thing. It can be as catty and dramatic as a reality show. If 200 of them were working for ICE, word would get out. Hell, if 200 of them found a job ANYWHERE word would get out.
Democrats are desperate to pretend Biden didn’t hire most these guys.
excuse me are you saying some people who tend to be violent, love to gossip on the internet, and dislike authority other than their own also have interpersonal drama and struggle to follow orders?
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Now sure if there are J6ers involved specifically, but many of these “agents” are not real law enforcement. Probably right wing militia mixed in.
Happy to engage in discussion as soon as you provide evidence of this claim.
There are J6er trackers. So far they seem to be tracking re-arrests.
I had no idea they were being tracked
I think ICE is paying big starting bonuses and a price per arrest. They are getting people who can pass the basic background check and need money. It's a mercenary force. Not sure why people think it's anything more than money.
Starting bonuses are legal, but pay scales are publicly available and not very impressive. But ofc any pay or bonus is attractive if you're desperate enough.
bsky.app/profile/malc...
They were talking about some hefty starting bonuses. People jumping in to grab a bonus and get out from underwater. They are also pulling office workers and agents from other areas to kidnap people in courthouses.
demsofstate.org/insurrection...
www.radicalreports.org/t/pardon-tra...
I think maybe it's more realistic to say that a lot of folks with Jan 6 adjacent brains are part of these masked good squads. Folks who maybe were not actually part of the insurrection, but who perhaps were sympathetic to it.
But then you'd have to acknowledge that they were also part of the ICE squads in December 2024 when Joe Biden was president and that's uncomfortable to people.
*goon squads
Well, yes, but that's like the whole GOP
Thank you for this. So sick of speculative BS regardless of which direction it comes from.
Thinking of this story where a lot of the justification for deporting Andry Hernandez was based on decisions made by a cop drummed out of the Milwaukee police force for severe misconduct. wisconsinexaminer.com/briefs/repor...
There are a ton of cops out there who were cut loose (but not criminally charged themselves) when someone they arrested successfully sued their departments. Often, they just set up in the next town over and quickly wash out there too.
A lot of them eventually wind up working as security guards, which, of course, doesn't pay as well. I'd imagine some of them wind up as "Surety Recovery Agents" (bounty hunters) and it wouldn't surprise me if they deputized a lot of them, along with a bunch of security guards on a power trip.
The bounty hunters may be working as some of the ICE thugs. bsky.app/profile/jenn...
Part of me also wonders if they just took ANYONE who ever applied to ICE and was rejected in the past and said "we're deputizing you, suit up and go in" without a lot of training, which would explain why everything is just so damn sloppy.
One of the realities about a significant percentage of the J6ers was they already had troubled lives where they had collided with law enforcement, sometimes multiple times. Many of them were endemic scofflaws.
How many of them were conventionally employable even before January 6
Aw thanks I needed some uplifting news today! 💙 Taking a few relaxing breaths before returning to doomscrolling.