100% overlap between the people who mocked our pleas for politicians to "do something" and the people who say "at least Newsom is doing something" (posting).
100% overlap between the people who mocked our pleas for politicians to "do something" and the people who say "at least Newsom is doing something" (posting).
MFers act like they forgot about Kimberly Guilfoyle.
I like what Newsom is doing. It's fine, and it's broken through enough to get people talking. It's also true that Newsom wants the nomination in 2028. Also fine. I don't like "Newsom has shown the way. The walls are breached. Newsom for President". Excessive. Or "I will never vote for Newsom. Boo".
I will never vote for a transphobe, or for someone who abuses the homeless. Is that more acceptable to you?
If someone on the "left"-when faced with a binary choice for President between (say in 2028) Trump and Newsom - says that they aren't taking part, those people are scattering rose petals onto Trump's path to the WHouse. Those who acted like this in 2024 have partial culpability for where we are now.
The left has told you we're not voting for your right wing ghouls anymore. The Democratic party can heed the warning, or they can nominate Harris 2.0 in Newsome and cede the election to Trump. Are you going to listen, or are you going to cry?
"..your right wing ghouls". Newsom is not "mine". I have no adhesion to Newsom. I don't know much about him. I can at least spell his name though. "Are you going to listen, or are you going to cry?". That is just contemptibly childish. What DNC candidate would be acceptable to you?
I’ve had this exact conversation with these type of folks before and the truth is they don’t have any candidate in mind—they have a pipe dream and no desire to step up to the leadership roles themselves. It’s a sickening conversation to have so my suggestion is to not. Good luck.
Your bigotry is not enticing. If you need our votes you need to become a better person. It is grow as a human being or live under a fascist regime, which will you choose? You don't need to answer. I know what you liberals are like.
Bigotry? What fucking bigotry asswipe. I don’t need shit from assholes who’d rather see the country burn. Get wrekt
Yes bigotry. You are anti-trans. You do not consider trans people human beings, as equals in dignity and perspective to yourself.
Let's start with someone who isn't a hateful bigot. But apparently that's too much to ask for in today's Democratic party
Again, no one is specifically advocating for Newsom. We’re simply saying the candidate isn’t going to be 100% perfect and to act like you’re going to let the country rot rather than vote for an imperfect candidate is childish.
He's not merely "imperfect" he's a violent bigot. Are any libs out there smart enough to see the difference?
WGAIN, WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT NEWSOM YOU STUPID FUCK. ANY CANDIDATE. ANY CANDIDATE IS NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT.
Bernie and AOC and Beshear are "imperfect." Even Pritzker is merely untrustworthy. Newsome is literally a far-right fascist
You say this like leftists supporting fascists hasn't already been a thing for 25 years Maybe try a new play
If the Left is that powerful, then it is your own fault for not moving heaven and earth to get them on board
do you feel that you owe your fellow citizens anything at all?
I own my trans friends to not vote for a transphobe, bub.
If Harris had won absolutely none of this horror would be happening to your trans friends. I begged people to vote for her, specifically because the Rs want to kill you all, which they are now doing.
lol sure, how many doors did you knock on for Harris? Annoying people online does not count as voter outreach
None, I live in a blue state and didn't think I'd need to. In retrospect? I wish I had quit my job and moved to a swing state and spent every single one of those 100 days knocking doors and talking to voters for her. My god, I wish I had. I'm sure you feel the same.
Your point is?
He is doing more than posting
I mean, the redistricting thing is literally the opposite of doing nothing. Its the most something that any Democrat has done since November. The posts are also something. They are getting under Trump's skin and penetrating right wing media in a way that normal messaging hasn't.
What do you think it would take for pritzker to get 1/3 of the attention for governing that newsom gets for posting?
He could stop being a billionaire for one. We don’t need anymore of those. And he was a AIPAC board member. A little too on the nose.
Do you know anything about his governing?
I literally don’t care. The ultra wealthy have no place in governing.
And if wishes were fishes we'd all be fishermen
He would not need to take PAC money, or other billionaire's money. He could do what he said/says he would do. Beholden to none except the voters. I'd prefer that.
How’s that working out with Mr Trump?
He needs hella good hair
Probably redistricting to counter republican gerrymandering & being loud about it on a national stage 🤷🏻
Are you aware of what he's done since the day he took office?
No, he's not the governor of my state & you asked what it would take to get him national attention & the answer is the very fucking obvious "do something at a national political level"
So flash and little substance based on the map Cali Dems drew up.
He's had national attention. He just told the moldy orange to take his national guard and shove it - but in politer terms. You must be very narrowly focused to miss what others are doing.
I didnt know you could take 5 House seats from MAGA fascists by “posting.”
Sorry has he done that? Because it looks to me like he has not done that. That is a thing that may happen, possibly, maybe, some time after November, possibly
I said take not took. I get that its frustrating that ballot measures and new congressional maps take longer than ordering a pizza but i dont know how you look at headlines like this and your response is to be pedantic. www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/u...
Yes. We don't know if it'll pass. We don't know what the outcome will be. We DO know that Newsom hates homeless people, pretty clearly hates trans people, vetoed public health care legislation, has poured huge amounts of state funding into the police who have been helping ICE and so on
I mean he cant do it by executive order. Theres not much else he can do to make it happen quicker. Its a huge deal and its an example of concrete and material action that is more than shit posting.
Whereas to date his entire pushback against Trump has been "idk write some shit tweets that only ten thousand centrist dipshits think are cool"
The fact that other Dems can't even manage that is just proof that the Democratic party is a bunch of quislings, not that Newsom is any fucking good at all
I agree 100 with this.
No you don't. You are a weird Gavinite neoliberal.
the only reason we are even talking about this walking vacuous haircut is because of how badly Dem leadership has sucked and is sucking. Im just not panicking that he might win the primary because that is an utterly stupid concern to have in August of 2024 but you do you.
You are literally glazing him above. If this is how you actually feel about Newsom then do some work on yourself to get your actions to match your mindset.
He's not even really doing that! — he's fortunate to have a bunch of young social media/comms staff (IIRC the woman in charge of this is 28) who are pretty good at it.
Look, Newsom actually ASKED for that. It's not like she's a wildcat.
I'd rather have a faltering, spotty politician who ventures into some audaciously good things too... than one who's all properly energyless. I prefer Pritzker on overall policy, but it would sure be great to see him sass the Trump sin-administration as well.
I mean Pritzker has responded forcefully (and sometimes quite humorously) to Trump a number of times in the past ~6-8 months
Pritzker has been more serious. Still, we are also benefiting from someone a bit more flamboyant filling the sass-back space like Newsom has. Sometimes one has to answer a fool according to their folly. Pritzker is right that "these are atrociously wrong ideas" but Newsom put a point on it.
Teamwork makes the dream work. Newsom doesn't have to be "it" for the Democratic presidential candidate in order to bear a very gainful role in a Democratic comeback.
However we can certainly take an appreciate a sober but firm disagreement with Trump over "occupying Chicago" for a political stunt which will make Chicago more troubled, not less.
The king's jester was historically close with the king, but he never was the king.
Only vibes can save us now
Oh, nobody can actually mock the Monster publicly! That's too lowbrow for us!
"No you see, the only real option is the Republican Kisser, because he understands them, and he will definitely fight them and not kiss them like his name and behavior. No one else will do this and you're sick in the head for looking elsewhere than Republican Kisser"
counter-gerrymandering is literally doing something. it's a material act, it is an actual defense move.
What's your take on the tit for tat redistricting. This is exactly the approach (do not initiate but retaliate in lockstep) that should have been taken decades ago, I think, and it's vastly better than what others have done. Not to give one Governor credit for a state action but he did move this.
it's good, it's also moving forward whether or not Newsom continues to be individually popular so no need to mute criticisms of him.
Totally agreed, I think the guy stinks, that's a something that is good but he ain't anything
My only complaint is it shouldn't be tit for tat. It should be all out war (because it is). Republicans have a decades head-start. Don't make it status quo; make it right.
No I agree the tit for tat should have happened back then, and now significantly greater remedial measures are needed because the aims of the civil rights act and voting rights act have been harmed by concerted hostile action by the states.
Democrats can't take those actions now; they should plan them in depth and detail while states do what they can at their level.
Your problem is the entire districting process. Your election process is badly flawed. Uneducated citizens cannot select a qualified candidate
I'm not in the U.S. and you have a hell of a way of showing off your hatred, pal. Billions of people on this world have little or no formal education and participate in and shape the political life of their communities just fine.
Really?
Shut the fuck up clanker
It turns out, shown time and again everywhere, that what one needs to shape one's political understanding is life, in society, with one's fellows, not learning algebraic geometry or reading Montaigne.
Good reply, but it seems average people are manipulated. Is that not what has happened in the U.S.? Why else would the citizens have picked a Trump? How can this scenario be prevented?
It's hard. Wean people off the idea that any media will present an unbiased opinion. Verify facts when possible, don't fall for the emotional grab or fear tactics. Advertising is a huge part of the problem. Campaigns use ads to hit emotional buttons. The GOP relied on anger as a selling point.
The redistricting is fundamentally anti-Democratic. It's only necessary because we've shed any veneer of Democracy we had left, but like this still fucking sucks and shouldn't be necessary to do in a functional society.
When the only thing Democrats can do to resist is consolidate and cement their own power, I can't say that gives me hope for resisting fascism especially when Newsom agrees with the fascists on whether I deserve to exist or not.
Our two options are 1- find a way to overthrow this regime within the bounds of our traditional law, or 2- find a way to overthrow this regime outside the bounds of our traditional law. It's probably good that we're at least trying option 1 before we resort to option 2.
yeah okay cool where's the fucking part where I get to exist Find a better guy.
The guy himself can get bent as far as I'm concerned. It's his tactics we need. The part where you get to exist is after those tactics. The GOP has declared there is no other way you are allowed to exist in peace. Using effective tactics to take them down is the way you get to exist.
Newsome is doing what is needed now. 2026 comes first, get Dems in the congress and as many state governments as possible. The more progressive the better. Start looking for people you think will answer your needs. Get their names out. Don't wait for someone to save you.
No one in this conversation has this guy in the slightest. We are picking him up with tongs and examining him with a disgusted look on our faces while he dangles from them by his weave.
No the fuck we aren't These people are literally praising him as a hero to the extent that it looks astroturfed
There will always be "those" people. Centrists and conservative-dems exist. I don't agree with them, but I can only speak for myself. I get the fear. Elevate his tactics, he becomes obvious frontrunner for POTUS. I'll be supporting progs when it comes. Until then, we win or lose utterly.
You don't understand a fucking thing bot Fuck you and fuck Newsom, I'm not gonna be your martyr you stupid piece of shit
If someone doesn't find effective counter tactics, reality is what it is. I don't WANT you to be my martyr. That's why we bring down this regime as number one priority. If you blow up on people who would be your allies, I'm sorry but you're not going to win. You'll make yourself my martyr.
READ UP THE THREAD, DOLLIE
I’m no Newsom fanboy but he is leading an effort to redistrict CA & he’s putting up a mirror to Trump letting MAGA see what a buffoon Trump is. That’s not nothing. I doubt a CA Dem could get the nomination in a field crowded with Midwest Dems anyway so just enjoying seeing someone fight right now.
My alma maters are being attacked, defunded & subject to ideological oversight by anti-science rightwing nut jobs & it seems like half the Ds in Congress act like universities deserve it because they let students exercise their 1st Am rights I’m done with corporate Dems who don’t fight back. /1
At the same time I am done with the purity Democrats who will only support their idea of the “perfect” candidate even if that candidate is unelectable. We cannot fight back & stop this unless we take power. /2
I didn’t support Biden in 2020 & was wary of him in view of his Senate record supporting Wall Street & vote for the Iraq War. But people forget he pursued one of the most progressive agendas we’ve seen in decades because of pressure from the left. /3
This is fucking stupid discourse when Newsom is literally redistricting his state & no other dem leader has done anything beyond "maybe we'll think about it."
He's responding to Texas. The people of California will decide if they want redistricting. Other states may follow. Never discount the voters who thought a moldy orange would save them, then see themselves betrayed. Just as they FOR him in anger, they can vote AGAINST him in anger.
They will never ever be more angry at him for anything he does than being angry with us for existing
Can you point me toward something that suggests he is though? I heard about the school sports thing. While I disagree with him on that, its not at all the same thing.
Which us? There are many "us" groups. And using my area as a starting point, the few red voters I know are quite angry at him. They voted on the more jobs and lower prices, etc. lies, despite all the signs of racism, anti-rights, etc. (I live in a predominantly minority area!)
They voted with little concern for their neighbors (and with a delusion that the president can lower prices). They have much to learn before they can help us.
Yes, they do have much to learn - and unlearn. But not as much to learn to get rid of the worst of the haters. Not all people are capable of understanding, accepting or helping others - especially if those others are different in any way from their comfortable blinkered selves. I have hope, tho.
Selfish motives aside, the "maybe he can do what they couldn't" thoughts that the constant drip drip drip of a hateful campaign pounded into their heads, the agitprop that fed them more lies about who "took their (name it)" and more, they are seeing (I hope) the reality of what was, and what is.
Damn. This is a great take.
There's a difference between a sitting governor in a solidly blue state and a congressman in the minority party. The difference is power. Check your tweets. Most likely the mockery was directed at insane calls for Jeffries et al to "do something"
"insane calls" lmao your brain is fried.
What *exactly* did you expect the leader of minority party in the house to have done that he has not that isn't performative? He can't change the menu at house cafeteria without GOP votes, and you expect him to have stemmed all this lawlessness?
The California redistricting plan is not performative. You know this. Again, what exactly did you expect Jeffries to have done other than scratch your itch for pointless political performance art?
Is that his plan to redistrict trans people onto an island or whatever?
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Dems controlled the govt for 4 years while trump and his acolyte’s promised retribution. They ignored it, did nothing to prevent what we’re seeing now. They are the reason why we are here.
Maybe spend less time sabotaging progressives.
weird to just skeet out about how you have such pathetically low expectations smh
This mindset is exactly why Mitch McConnell was able to so tenderly and methodically lay the groundwork for 2025 over like the half century he’s been in office. Pathetic Dem weenies like poolside here.
McConnell did that when he had the majority. He had the majority because Democratic voters didn’t turn out in the 2014 midterms. Actions have consequences. Blame that one squarely on the voters.
you silly little white men are so fucking clueless omfg how do you stand yourselves how does anyone around you not just sock you in the face every day?
Oh, I get it, you’re an anonymous internet troll. Go fuck yourself you fucking coward.
You get literally not one thing. Cope harder.
Yeah, coward? At least I’m not a coward, you coward. I put my name on my posts. You’re too big a coward for that. Nobody cares what a coward has to say. Fuck off.
bro McConnell did it when Obama had a trifecta gtfoh
No, sorry, you’re mistaken. Obama had the trifecta for 118 days in 2010, during which he passed the ACA. The SCOTUS/McConnell/Garland block was in 2016.
If you believe sixty is fifty, then I have so many extended warranties you can’t afford not to buy
At that time, except for budget-related legislation passed via reconciliation, bills in the U.S. Senate required 60 votes to overcome a Republican filibuster and advance. You can google “Senate 60 votes filibuster” to find out for yourself.
Why are you defending a Wall Street and AIPAC puppet? What do you have to gain from doing PR work for Wall Street and genocidal Israel? You getting paid? What's the angle?
And not all reproach is "mockery." If Jeffries won't move except in a perfunctory way -- the sooner we embrace reality the better and work with what OTHER things we have, the better. At least expand the window of what perfunctory might be allowed to be. We'd love Jeffries to sass the GOP.
If sassing back becomes widespread, then Jeffries might get the idea. There is energy in sassing for the right reasons. On a biblical level, I beg folks to look at Psalm 2.
Yes: God personally sasses evil people.
so in this fantasy you've created, it's *bad* to ask/demand democrat leadership to fight this at all? seems weird. especially considering not only has leadership dropped the ball, they won't even back the dem nominee for new york mayor. what would you call that?
Let's unpack this. What do you mean by fight? What measures should the house Democrats have taken that they have not, and how would our situation be any different now if they had taken these actions?
The very first thing that comes to mind is "withdraw unanimous consent" draw up a schedule & have 1 senator & 1 rep on duty 24/7 to object to every single action no matter how procedural. Virtually none of Trump's cabinet would be confirmed & congress would be ground to a near-complete halt.
Yes. This is a valid criticism. I think Schumer has been too agreeable and business as usual in confirmations. I'm not so sure the House dems could have slowed things down much.
The House would probably have fewer areas where they could slow things down, but they still have areas where they can. At this point every area that can be slowed, should be.
I agree with you on that. My original point was that negatively comparing congressional dems with Newsom's recent action is somewhat unfair in that Newsom actually has power. The redistricting plan, if successful, does change facts on the ground.
why are you asking me this? i have no institutional power like a senator or representative does. why do i need to plan this out for them?
You're expressing dissatisfaction with congressional dems' performance during Trump's 2nd term. I am simply asking what you would have done differently.
ahh yes the classic ben shapiro "just asking questions" bit. love it.
What is Newsom doing besides posting
He got the CA legislature to pass the map to put it on the ballot in November for 2026. He also created momentum to flip voter opinion on this tactic in about 2 weeks. Looks like it’s going to pass now.
Texas did that for him actually
He reached the normies that normally would not have any earthly clue WTF we’re all talking about. TX? They hardly remember what they had for lunch. Everyone isn’t as plugged in as we are.
it's a state election in an off-year the only people who are voting for that are already as plugged in as we are
I don't particularly agree with crediting Newsom himself for this - most of the folks who are plugged in enough to call their reps were pretty enthusiastic about redistricting from day 1, and I've not seen a whole lot of messaging from him about this specific issue
i’m not sure how you could miss any of it. It’s the main focus. It’s literally what the postings were about. Plus, he’s been all over the pods and the YouTube shows and press conferences nearly every day. He captured the news cycles that got people talking about this solution.
was this before or after he was all over the pods and the YouTube shows talking cordially with the Nazi types
After
I don't know... it might have something to do with the California redistricting effort? Did you think I was referring to mean tweets?
Seeing as that's the premise of the post you were replying to, yeah, I kinda did! I'm also still a little puzzled why you think it was so insane for people to want Schumer and Jeffries to do something besides sitting on their hands
If only what the republicans were capable of as a minority party didn’t entirely shit on your argument.
It's amazing how the Dems being in the minority forced them to fast-track Trump's cabinet nominations, vote for all of his judicial candidates, etc
Pathetic, just fucking pathetic.
"VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO! ]unless its a poc] BUT YES EVEN IF TRUMP WAS BLUE" gavin newsom is horrible and all the democrats know is call names, mimic, and take the "high road"
we HAVE to vote for the ONLY democrat willing to FIGHT BACK* *post AI Groyper memes
No we don't. He won't be the only one running, if he runs, and others are working just as hard - just not as loudly.
yes I know it was a joke
Sorry, it's so hard to tell anymore. Joke accepted.
Thank you Stormfather
We don't have much, but I'll take what I can fet
Redistricting
Yet still nobody’s doing anywhere near enough