Na. Trans women are women. Trans men are men.

Na. Trans women are born male. Women are born female. I know reality and facts can hurt.

But then they can change sex, Can anyone see the harm in this fact, its what follows some people Seemto have certain issues with Myself included when it comes to contact sports .

No, they can't change sex. Changing sex is impossible. The changes are superficial and cosmetic. They will never have an uterus, ovaries, etc.; they will never mentruate or have babies: zero trans women can achieve this because they are natal males. They only can change "gender."

Many females are born without a uterus or ovaries thus unable to have children Does this make them less of a woman ? People have been driven to suicide because of their belief that they've been born in the wrong body, So why would you want to prolong their suffering?

I'm not going to go around in circles with you. I've responded to these ludicrous examples hundreds of times already. I have absolutely nothing against trans women: they have the right to be happy & protected. All women ask of them is that they do not invade their protected spaces.

Got no problems with this, As its your right to disagree.

Like I said I totally agree, but must be separated in contact sports, it’s not a slight on Trans ppl just a safety concern.

There’s a safety concern when people hit each other in the head. Variations in testosterone at the same weight levels are nonsense. No one is being forced to fight.

there's always safety concerns not just talking about boxing, didn't you watch Soccer Aid when a male ex professional footballer tackled a female player? It basically all contact sports, the physical advantage to a male born athlete is far greater, I'm not sure how anyone can disagree

Saying that you agree that trans women are women muddies the waters, why wouldn't you let women play women's sports. accommodating changes in language to "be kind" has been used against us. time to go back to honesty.

if someone vehemently feels they've been born in the wrong body and are willing to undertake major operations to Correct this, and then suffer a life of ridicule for doing so then I'm more than happy to support their right to be called whatever they want.

I used to, but I underestimated the need for clear language. I also want to support people who are struggling with this (and any number of other issues) but after 25 years of doing so I stopped to think a moment and realized we still need to have clear language for many many reasons.

I couldn't have put it better myself. 👍

What gives that advantage?

Physical strength , it’s a no brainier, have you ever played any physical contact sport at a high level?

What gives the advantage of physical strength?

While you are thinking - this is also irrelevant. And kind of misogynistic. If a weaker man at the same weight level decided to fight a stronger man, no one would be hand wringing. If everyone consented to be there, there’s no problem.

Not in the slightest bit misogynistic, And please don't try to insult me, I support trans rights as much as you, But I am realistic when it comes to nature V nurture especially to physical strength, And why do you keep using a boxing analogy?

I’m not. I’m criticising your argument. Pick any sport. What is it that makes men more physically strong than women of the same weight?

So you'd get rid of female sport categories?

I think women should be able to compete against anyone they want. As with most statement’s that begin “so you’d”, the answer is no and is a deliberate misinterpretation of what is being said.

Women don't want to compete against transwomen. As all surveys & research shows. Including my own. If you think testosterone fuelled puberty is of no consequence why do you think female categories exist?

You don't actually believe that tw are w or tm are m. You don't, and the sports thing proves it. Just step away from the fantasy, because it hasn't done the progressive cause any good to embrace batshittery. We all have eyes. We all know.

Why do people resort to trying to belittle other ppl when this subject is being discussed, you haven't got a bloody clue about me or what I think on this emotive subject, or my real-life experiences, So I kindly suggest that you stop being a bully who has to hurl insults and to listen .

On one of their posts, they talk about how Trans rights are a beachhead for mens rights. Then another post is parroting racist adjacent propaganda. The truth is that TERF is a beachhead for the far right.

Think this topic is being used by various political groups to try to divide us even more for their advantage, Like I've previously stated we should be free to openly discuss this subject as long as we're not making International disparaging comments .

There's not a single insult in what I said. If you read one, that's a You issue. I defended you from being called a misogynist, though. I deal in reality. I like living there.

In that case I hope you have a brilliant rest of your life .

Likewise!

Fair enough , if that's what you want to think. Who am I to tell you anything different.

I don't think we can have a proper conversation here. I know that I started out an early supporter of this movement for probably many of the same reasons as you. But it embraces predators and it does not care about women. Hard line for me, because sex and biology and women's oppression matter.

Was thinking the same myself, would actually love to sit down with you both and have a face to face conversation, Perhaps I will learn something from you both. 👍

What insult?

Do you need us both to tell you? If so that's more your problem then mine to tell you

I see two men telling a woman how to feel about the colonization of her sex and the endangerment of her fellows. I supported this movement until I saw its open misogyny. You think you're being progressive, but you're not.

Only in your narrow eyes, its my way or the highway as far as you're concerned.

I think you believe you're doing the right thing, and I applaud you for that. I think you're misled and mistaken. I also stand up for what's right. No one cares about women. Women are an afterthought to this movement, a mere costume.