And if the eventual nominee doesn’t support trans people’s rights, you’re enabling republicans to take away the rights of black people, brown people, Palestinian people, Jewish people, etc. You’re arguing that if you don’t get the exact toppings you want, then no one should have pizza.
You're just making stuff up
Have you paid any attention the last six+ months?
Yeah a lot of bad things happened because Dems ran a bad candidate whose campaign abandoned all those people you mentioned in favor of chasing Republicans. Sounds like you should be working hard to make sure they don't do that again
Which is exactly why I’ve asked people which candidates I can support that align with their agenda. None of you offered shit. They only bitch and tell me to figure it out. Good luck progressing a cause with that approach.
Maybe they haven't been super forthcoming because you've acted like an aggressive weirdo and kept accusing everyone of all sorts of horrible stuff
No, this started when I asked Parker a genuine question that was not leading in any way, shape, or form. People responded aggressively. bsky.app/profile/lonn...
I mean she'd already answered that question pretty clearly in the post you were replying to. I imagine people thought you were trolling
She did not. She did say that she wouldn’t vote for him. I asked if that means she’d vote Republican, third party, or not vote at all. That answer wasn’t clear in her post hence why I asked for clarification.
You know full well that she wouldn't vote GOP, which is why people saw it as a bad faith post.
So you got an answer, didn't like it, and you asked another one in bad faith
Yo. Sice you're a sealion, I gotta jump in and not let some shit slide. Human rights are not pizza toppings, and if you are aaking me in the binary of we *all* lose our rights, or just trans people, I will not throw them under the bus to save myself or you. We all float or we all drown you dick
Ever heard of “a rising tide lifts all ships”? You’d rather destroy the ship so everyone sinks. That’s pure evil. You’re no ally to any cause you “support”.
wtf is wrong with you?
then why did you respond 2 days ago saying "not voting?" You know full well what the answer was
If the only way I’d vote for Newsom is if you made and posted a video of yourself eating a big wet shit sandwich, would you take a bite? Or do you want trump to win
I’d eat the big wet shit sandwich in this dumb hypothetical because I know how bad things are for all people under Trump and that he intends to make them worse. It’s called sacrificing my own wants to better the lives of others. Look into it.
So not in real life, only hypothetically? Enjoy Trump I guess 🤷♂️
Otherwise post the video
You enjoy Trump as well. He’s doing a lot to help Palestine who you claim to support in your profile.
I dunno man, when you're telling people that they should be happy to throw their rights away just to win the next election I can totally understand why they tell you to fuck off. But if you're so pressed to figure out someone people actually like maybe check out his Pritzker guy, if this helps
Agree on Pritzker. Thank you. My point is that progress takes time. 100% of your agenda won’t be met by one candidate. If Newsom is the eventual nominee, I’d vote for him and vote for progressive candidates to put pressure on him to change. Republicans will never advance any of our causes.
See, that smug 100% thing is why people are reacting poorly. Do you think a billionaire like Pritzker is 100% aligned with progressives? No one is asking for 100%, and Newsom has still failed. You can scold the voters or you can put that energy toward preventing the bad candidate from being nominee.
how did this exact line work out under Biden?
We were making plenty of progress just fine without abandoning people until now. Maybe that's because instead of pushing back against conservative propaganda the Dems stayed silent. Maybe that's the reason people aren't willing to back them anymore
Also also, "no one candidate will give you everything you want" the minimum here is just not throwing away trans people with a dash of "stop funding a genocide" these aren't some insurmountable asks and if your chosen candidate can't do that they shouldn't be the candidate. Period
I support those two causes. If the eventual nominee supports trans people’s rights and supports stopping the Palestinian genocide, but they refuse to reinstate women’s rights to an abortion, how would you vote?
These hypotheticals are pointless at this stage because we are still 3 years away from a presidential election and no one has thrown their hat in the ring. If large swaths of people saying they won't vote for a guy if he decides to run then maybe he just shouldn't run. That's the takeaway here
No one wants to talk to you because you come off very aggressive and not terribly believable
Equal rights isn’t too big of an ask. It’s not impossible for a candidate to say “Equal rights for all” equal meaning equal, rights meaning rights and all meaning all.
Human rights aren't fucking pizaa toppings.
Don't expect to be able to sell out trans people.
hey did you know if trans people are forced off HRT they can go into organ failure
I’d call you a piece of shit but at least feces have some uses
If the eventual nominee doesn't support trans people's rights THEY are enabling Republicans to take away everyone else's rights. The nominee and the party are the enablers in that scenario.
Gavin Newsom, famous defender of Palestinian rights www.politico.com/news/2024/09...
correct, human rights of a minority group are not negotiable
No, to continue your incredibly asinine metaphor, its like saying that if the pizza place keeps getting your order wrong, you're gonna stop ordering from there. Your argument is that everyone should be obligated to buy their pizza so they dont close down and you can keep eating it.
I’ll admit pizza topping was far from the best comparison. My argument is to put the pizza place under new management. Then hire employees who can get the orders right so everyone is happy at eats. They want to close the only restaurant so no one gets to eat and all people suffer.
Vote Blue No Matter Who is a definitionally amoral movement. You are berating people for refusing to vote for someone who wants to disenfranchise them. All this energy could simply be put toward berating the theoretical voter that wouldn't vote for Newsom if he simply stfu about trans people!
I’m defending my position just as they’re defending theirs. My point is that progress is often incremental. Take whatever wins you can get and continue to advance the rest of your agenda. If you wait for 100% of your agenda to align with one candidate, you’ll never win.
No they fucking don’t. If Newsom is the nominee, find voters who don’t care about his trash policies. Don’t whine to people who have already said they won’t vote for him.
Yes they fucking do. Refusing to vote is closing the restaurant so no one can eat. You just aren’t willing to admit that you’re okay with all others to suffer. You hold all your other causes hostage. Not an ally.
You have three years to make sure Gavin Newsom isn’t the nominee, that’s your job. Get to work.
It’s also your job. Get to work.
Ok so why are you arguing with the people doing that?
Because they support Newsom but also want to look like good people
hey maybe you should answer this then: what right that affects you *personally* are you willing to sacrifice to get a democrat elected?
They never answer these questions. 🤔 Another favorite reply to "we have to throw Gaza under the bus to win elections" is "would you kill a child to win an election?" They never answer this one either.
at least not without sounding like a fucking maniac. i saw some pretty bizarre ones back in 2020 that were like "Joe Biden could rape me and I'd still vote for him!"
What is it about transphobia that has you this cultishly committed to attacking the targets of transphobia?
I’m not attacking them. They’re the ones responding to my posts and I’m defending my position. They’re welcome to stop responding.
You came into someone else's thread responding to the op You're free to shut the fuck up at any point
No, it’s saying “that restaurant only serves raw meat and eggs or human shit with nails in it, you guys can choose to eat there but I’d rather not”
No, the Republican restaurant serves raw meat and eggs or human shit with nails in it. The democratic restaurant serves only pepperoni and sausage pizza.
If one restaraunt has a "no trannies allowed" sign in the window, and the other has a "transgenders - carryout only" sign, then I don't care what either one is serving. I'm not giving them my business.
Not if you're trans or homeless though
Not if Newsom is the nominee
Nope, still a shit pizza. Genocide is a bright red line, piece of shit
That makes no fucking sense. A non vote is a non vote. The worst you can say is that it is denying oneself a voice, but it isn’t causing the government to not exist.
Which is why I have said you forfeit your right to complain about negative things that happen if you don’t vote. You lose your voice by no voting.
Again that makes no sense
You just said not voting is denying yourself a voice. Therefore, you have no voice if you don’t vote. These are your words.
i simply refuse to use my voice to help a ghoul that is fine with my friends being killed, ill use it to call that guy an asshole all day long
Call him an asshole all day long. I’ll happily join you. But if you don’t vote, don’t use your voice to complain when republicans continue to make your life and everyone’s lives significantly worse.
Can people who *can’t* vote complain about the government?
This is actually in the constitution, not voting means not having an opinion, George Washington said so
Then don’t fucking nominate someone who doesn’t understand the entire fucking concept of human rights and freedom, and is willing to throw our most vulnerable citizens (trans, homeless) under the bus just because you like his dank memes. JFC, it’s not complicated.
Nobody’s refusing to vote. It’s 2025. There’s nothing to vote on. We’re just being really clear up front we won’t vote for him. If you insist on nominating him, any of these metaphors you’re abusing starts and ends with YOU.
I’ve stated many times that I support Pritzker and others. I would not vote for Newsom except in the general if he gained the nomination. I’d vote for him over a Republican, wasting a third party vote, or not voting.
So you would vote for Newsom. And you’re out here arguing with people who don’t want to, even though you claim not to want to. When you could be doing literally anything else. Nah, we see you
You do understand how elections work, right? Primaries happen before the general election. Primary: I would not vote for Newsom General: I would vote for Newsom over a Republican, third party, or sitting out. Take care.
Yo. You think that trans people are worth sacrificing to the greater good. Let me again make this clear we are not drowning any minorities to keep your ass safe. We all float or we all drown
TL:DR I ain’t reading that shit but good luck promoting Newsom! You’re doing so good!
You certainly have a lot of folksy aphorisms and a noticeable lack of concrete policy statements. I'm sure that's totally unintentional and good faith
It’s not the only restaurant though. Not when JB Pritzker’s House O’ Pizza exists.
Agreed. That’s what primaries are for. I’ve only said I’d vote for Newsom if he somehow won the nomination for the general election. I’d much prefer JB Pritzker’s House O’Pizza even if it only offers Chicago style deep dish. That’s called compromising.
I'd much prefer we didn't discuss basic human rights like they're fun little flavors we can pick and choose!
Agreed. Apologies for that analogy. Was trying to dumb it down. Wasn’t trying to be insensitive.
Your moment to change that first “if” is right now.
Yeah so you better compromise and give us what we want, or else
You need my vote a lot more than I need yours. My rights aren’t at stake. Yours are. Quit fucking fighting with supporters, dumbass.
"I can always just join up with MAGA and help them run the camps so you better just do as I say": a piece of shit who might as well be over with 'them' anyway
You know how First They Came is about how the vulnerable wouldn’t simply vote with the writer, who wound up fine
I'm targeted by this government for multiple demographics, and I don't need shit from you. Blow me.
Which is it, numbnuts? Are trans individuals enough of a bloc to sway an election or not? Its just wild how so many liberals seem to have no consistent morality: when called out for shitty behavior, they make themselves the superior victim. bsky.app/profile/john...
They do have a consistent morality, they just know that being honest about their willingness to sacrifice everyone else for their comfort will get them treated, well, like this.
I believe he genuinely *thinks* he's an ally here. It's just that he doesn't understand what that means, because he's willing to elevate his own comfort over that of the very people he claims to support.
You don’t understand that I can be an ally to a number of minority groups. If the eventual nominee doesn’t support one group, but supports the rest, I will not alienate the other groups by not voting. Throwing everyone under the bus doesn’t help anyone.
I think you need to understand that being an "ally" is about more than just giving lip service. You have to listen, and the reason you're getting dragged here is that you haven't demonstated that you can. So you're an "ally of convenience," which isn't really any sort of ally.
You’re saying I should give up my vote and abandon all the other causes I support. That’s not being a good ally to anyone.
Oh, so you're just determined to play the victim, going so far as to make up an argument for me. You'll forgive me if I don't put much stock in what you think an "ally" is.
I’m determined to support as many people as possible which you can’t seem to comprehend.
"You don't get it, I need you to validate my justifications for sacrificing you. I want to be a shitty person to you but I don't like you pointing out I'm a shitty person"
So you're willing to sacrifice people. We know. That's why you're a bad person.
You’re willing to sacrifice ALL people if you don’t get 100% your way. That is pure evil.
And since you are doing this selective response thing, I'll just leave this here. I'm not responsible for the strawman you made up in your head. bsky.app/profile/kfin...
So if I have say 100 positions I support and a potential candidate supports all but one, you expect me to abandon my other 99 because the one isn’t met?
Demanding people vote against their own interests while propping up a false binary is pure evil. Minimizing the democratic process for your own purposes is pure evil. Vote for Newsom if you want. Just stop pretending it's for altruistic reasons.
"Pure evil is when a minority won't sacrifice themselves for my benefit, those selfish assholes"
I'm unwilling to participate in voting for evil. I will not compromise. You will. Live with your shame.
This is very possible, but I'm done giving these little hitlers the benefit of the doubt
Oh, absolutely. I'm not interested in extending that to this weird little ghoul either. He can call himself whatever he wants, but his actions demonstrate exactly who he is.
Parker: I just want a candidate that doesn’t want to take away my dignity. Jonataon: Listen. If you want my vote you just have to agree to never be able to use a public restroom. Yes, including the one at work. I don’t see what the problem is here. You’re the one acting like a child.
Sigh…
What, support your guy or else he’ll throw trans people under the bus? Thats what we’re mad about you fucking doorknob
Congrats on proving the point that Gavin Newsom, and his boosters, are bad.
> You need my vote a lot more than I need yours you sure about that, chief? that’s what you guys said back in 2024. didn’t work out so well, did it?
They need your vote for the candidate they feel will harm them and are letting you know three years in advance but you are refusing to reconsider? What are you a supporter of again?
His own comfort.
His rights aren't even at stake, he said so himself. Just trampling others for the love of the game
He's legit pissed that the prices for brunch have gone up. I just don't know how you reason with assholes who both hate democracy and engage in fantasy "what ifs" just to appease their own immorality.
I am so baffled by people like you (there seem to be many) who: 1. Do NOT support Newsome personally, 2. Feel very strongly that everyone must commit to vote for him if he is hypothetically the nominee several years from now and 3. Argue for this by threatening and insulting people who don't agree
I am a Bernie supporter who begrudgingly voted Hillary, Biden, and Harris in spite of hating them. I can promise you right now I absolutely will never vote for Newsome, even if he is the nominee, even if he completely reversed his depraved positions on human rights starting today. It's too late.
I am a Bernie supporter and a Warren supporter. I voted HRC, Biden, and Harris in spite of hating them. I can promise you right now that I will vote for Newsom, if he is the eventual nominee, because I refuse to make all people suffer.
Yes you are willing to sacrifice people. That's why you're a bad person.
"I'M A SUPPORTER, NOW THROW YOURSELF UNDER THE BUS FOR ME!" -least fucking stupid lib
@ctxplz.bsky.social
Have you considered choking on a tall glass of piss?
How the fuck do you figure? You lost in 2024. You clearly fucking need my support more than I need yours, you dumb fucking asswipe.
Here you go buddy. Happy? Now please answer the question at the end of the thread. I really hope your answer isn't "harassing vulnerable people," but that's what it's looking like.
I agree with your referenced post. This started with Parker’s hypothetical of Newsom winning the nomination and her not voting for him. And what was the question? Too many response to dig through. Apologies.
It's at the end of the thread I posted.
Sorry…this post? bsky.app/profile/indo... This is the only one I see with questions in that thread. The last few posts were statements.
Two posts down hun
Jesus christ
TBH i wouldn't cause these guys only care about their own well-being, so they need consequences
Now you end by saying don’t fight with supporters but you begin by saying you don’t support other people so that’s kind of a weird thing to say
I’m your supporter (((dumbass))) Great.
Your rights actually are at stake. Do you think you're safe from fascism? That's silly.
Will you NOT vote for a hypothetical candidate who supports trans peoples rights?
I absolutely WILL vote for any hypothetical candidate who supports trans people’s rights. I’ve made that clear from the start of this.
Sounds like you need the vote of trans people more than they need you then
Also, you can literally go fuck yourself
.35% of eligible voters are trans people. Is that enough people to win a presidential election? Enjoy your spiders.
Cite the source for your incorrect stat.
williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications... 825,000 trans people eligible to vote in 2024. 236,000,000 eligible voters. 825,000/236,000,000 =0.0035
Self reported yes?
It doesn’t say self-reported, but yes, that is a logical assessment. So double, triple, quadruple the .35%. It still doesn’t give enough people to win an election without the support of others.
You'll also vote for candidates that don't. Do you feel good about that? Was your "integrity" worth losing the last election?
Should I have voted for Trump? Does he support trans people’s rights? Should I have not voted? Would that help trans people get equal rights?
You should have held your vote hostage no matter the cost rather than vote for genocide. Now it is known that for you and yours, genocide isn't a deal breaker, why would they offer candidates that will support human rights if you vote for them regardless as long as the other guy looks worse.
Impressed you're able to type this well with your head shoved so far up your ass
If you're arguing for ignoring Democrats punting on peoples rights you aren't a supporter
That means you won the last election, right professor?
So, uh, how did that work out for you again?
For me personally? Better than it has for trans people. Hence why I’m asking how I can use my privilege to better support them and get behind candidates who support equal rights for trans people.
So you haven't understood anything said to you. Got it.
“Haha, I have more privilege!”
but you’re the one who keeps telling everyone to vote for your candidates
Newsom is not my candidate.
But he would be if he were the dem candidate, so why are you behaving so dishonestly about it.
I haven’t been dishonest. I’ve been incredibly transparent. I will not vote for Newsom in the primary. If he wins the nomination, I will vote for him instead of voting Republican, sitting out, or wasting a vote on a third party candidate who will end up with 2-3% of the vote.
All that to agree that he would be your candidate. This is why you're dishonest, you can't stop dissembling because you're intellectually dishonest.
Between a Republican, third party, or not voting? Yes, he would be my candidate just as I’ve stated many times now. Nothing about that is dishonest. You do understand that candidates change from the primary to the general?
So is he or isn't he? You're already making excuses why you just had to vote for him.
so stop arguing in his defense and start demanding a better candidate now
you voting for someone taking away my rights doesn't help me
If you're not willing to roll back Trump admin policy you're not a supporter, you're using Trump to do your dirty work.
Too bad. We'll take you down with us if we dont get what we want. We refuse to be reasoned with, we are selfish. You have no power over us. Compromise or lose again.
How has that worked out for you so far? Sounds like pretty fucking bad. .35% of the people don’t have enough votes to nominate their preferred candidate. So you better learn to get people on your side instead of arguing with them.
hey man im with you!! if trans people insist on having so-called "equal rights" (🙄 snooore), then throw them under the fucking bus and good riddance! im an ally too btw :) 🏳️🌈
No. Not only is that stat wrong but I don't care. Give us what we want or it all burns and us with it. Apparently you can't win with or without or support, but you think you can condescend to minorities about what's in our own best interest. But thanks for the impotent threats.
fuck off.
How'd the last election go, Jon?
We’ve got news for you sweetie. We are the “swing voters” now. You can’t win without us and after the way Hakeem etc have treated Zohran blue no matter who is dead. You can either listen to us and nominate someone we will support or lose. Your choice.
You’ve tried courting republicans for 20 years and still lose. Time to wake up
You don’t know anything about my last 20 years. So don’t “you” me when talking about a party. I was raised Republican in a deep red state and grew to recognize their hatred for minorities. I’ve been a leftist for 10+ years and am still trying to grow.
“Screw you, I’m your closet friend and confident, you assbutt”
You're not leftist. You're politically ignorant. You moved away from extremism and from your inherently limited perspective you think you've come a long way. You're lying to yourself. If you want to grow, consider shutting the fuck up and not speaking over minorities about their own best interests
You don’t dictate my views. If I wasn’t a leftist, I’d be actively supporting Newsom or others who don’t support you having equal rights. You think that you have all the answers and are lying to yourself.
Why are you yelling?
Of course I don't dictate what you believe, neither do you, I'm accurately assessing your position based on all available evidence. That you're willing to ever support him, that your morality and principles can be compromised by the situation, are why you are not on the left. And not a good person.
This ia from today bsky.app/profile/ktla...
Fucking vile. But as long as he churns out ai meme slop for blue maga...
Yeah, he’s a piece of shit. Is Trump stopping him?
Goal posts move = Views moves. It’s called new information. If that new information is Newsom vs. any Republican, I will support Newsom to make sure other minority groups don’t suffer. You say you’ll just walk. So you’re okay fucking over black people, brown people, Jewish people, Palestinians, etc
Yes, your morality is situational. You seem to think re-explaining why you're a bad person makes you not a bad person. You voted for genocide last time yes? How did that work out for you? Are we better off because of it? Did compromising morality work?
Genocide hasn't shaken you from being a party loyalist so yeah, you're filth.
You're arguing that trans people should vote for a transphobe because they need your vote? What exactly do you think they need your vote *for*, my dude?
challenge accepted then
You obviously don’t need our votes after Kamala’s crushing victory over Trump in the last election.
Scratch a liberal!
congrats on your incoming infinity ratio, Dipshit
Jesus, with friends like these
look I know Ernest got scared stupid but what’s your excuse
All of our rights are connected. If he won't fight for me, be can easily throw anyone more privileged than me under the bus, too
Thought libs thought (incorrectly) the left cost them 2024?
Your rights are definitely at stake Jonathon. Human rights are universal. If trans peoples don’t exist your don’t either.
You're a goddamn asshole.
Tough, but fair.
Here's to you losing and your life becoming that of the Palestinians whose genocide your party supports.
So you vote based on trivial social media interactions? Kind of makes you a dipshit
People's rights are not comparable to pizza toppings, creep.
Now I have to educate you on a metaphor? If you’re willing to abandon all of your other causes if one demand isn’t met, then you’re not an ally of those causes. I’m being told that I’m not an ally to trans people for the same reason. If I’m not an ally, then neither are any of you to other causes.
I know what a metaphor is. I'm telling you that your metaphor is fucking stupid and doesn't work. If you're willing to sell out one marginalized group, you'll sell out any number of the others.
It is a dumb metaphor, but it 100% works. You want pepperoni, sausage, and mushrooms. I want pepperoni, sausage, and mushrooms. The restaurant doesn’t offer mushrooms. Do we accept the pizza that isn’t exactly what we want or do we starve ourselves?
Stop analogizing people's life-and-death material conditions as optional pizza toppings!
What rights are you willing to sacrifice for the good of the party?
I’m not willing to sacrifice any in the primary. I’m willing to sacrifice my own rights in the general if that keeps Republicans from control. That’s called caring about other people. The system is flawed. Not voting doesn’t fix it. Yes, we need better nominees, but not voting empowers republicans.
What rights will you be sacrificing, specifically?
You didn’t actually answer their question
How about you make a noble sacrifice either way to help us. That's called caring about other people.
Which rights, specifically, are you willing to sacrifice for your whole demographic?
This question was posed and addressed on several other threads.
The argument is that civil rights are non-negotiable, you wanking shitgibbon.
Go fuck yourself with your bullshit