I mean...they're not going to replace them are they? But...they will likely take a lot of votes away from them...Reform/Tories will be well pleased with this election win for Polanski.
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It's so funny when people claim Reform are the next government but the Greens can't possibly win. They aren't taking votes from Labour. The people who vote for them are the ones who have realised Labour no longer represent them and wouldn't vote for them anyway.
sep 2, 2025, 12:10 pm • 25 0 • view
I think we'd all be better off once people finally realise that Labour aren't on the left any more.
sep 2, 2025, 12:33 pm • 10 0 • view
Ellie Chowns achieved the 5th biggest constituency swing ever – from the Conservatives. It's not just Labour voters who are jumping ship.
sep 2, 2025, 1:40 pm • 1 0 • view
Was it through ex conservatives voters though or through attracting those who wouldn't have voted for any other party? It's an important distinction because Labour seem to be going for the Conservative voters when the real wins are to be made from people who wouldn't vote for any right wing party.
sep 2, 2025, 8:45 pm • 0 0 • view
I ran the numbers. Assuming the most pessimistic scenario that the drop in turnout was all accounted for by CON voters not showing up (i.e. other parties' losses all went Green), and without accounting for turnover, the number of Tories who flipped Green was 1608 more than Ellie's majority.
sep 3, 2025, 1:37 am • 0 0 • view
ok, well maybe they'll get 10 to 15% then, probably lower if Corbyn/Sultana party starts. Reform are above 30% in some polls now. If Labour/Tories/LD stay around 15-20% or lower, that will likely mean a majority govt for Reform.
sep 2, 2025, 12:13 pm • 0 0 • view
If you haven't learned how laughable polls are by now you never will. Polls just before Brexit got the outcome completely wrong why do you think a poll 3 years before an election is at all accurate?
sep 2, 2025, 12:26 pm • 2 0 • view
ok. Well maybe Greens will be up above 40% by then and Labour will be below 1%. have to see how Zack's eco-populism cuts through with the Greens electoral coalition, and what comes of Corbyn/Sultana's party.
sep 2, 2025, 12:30 pm • 0 0 • view
Corbyn's party already shat all over their base that is unlikely that they are gonna get any real votes. Their first action was courting conservatives, anti feminist, anti abortionist and anti queers. They can go to the bin of obscurity alongside labour.
sep 3, 2025, 12:50 am • 0 0 • view
I voted Labour last time round, to oust the Con-Serve-Yourselves. However, Labour have disappointed. It seems likely that Reform will form a majority in the next parliament, but I'm not sure I want Labour (with their Reform copycat agenda), as the next biggest party!! I'll likely go Green!
sep 2, 2025, 12:42 pm • 0 0 • view
Labour could step aside
sep 2, 2025, 1:05 pm • 0 0 • view
Maybe Labour could try sucking less
sep 2, 2025, 12:15 pm • 6 0 • view
would definitely help.
sep 2, 2025, 12:20 pm • 0 0 • view
So you've given up any hope whatsoever? The Greens' hope may be slender here, but Starmer's opening the door and rearranging the furniture for Farage, so hope there is entirely dead.
sep 2, 2025, 12:02 pm • 12 0 • view
yes, I have given up hope. Think we're looking at a Reform/Tory govt...and all that brings... (might emigrate)
sep 2, 2025, 12:04 pm • 1 0 • view
I've spent most of my adult life outside this country, but I'm too old to consider it now so I'm landed. My point is that if there's ANY hope, it doesn't lie with Starmer but, as I also said, that hope is slender.
sep 2, 2025, 12:08 pm • 4 0 • view
Greens aren't going to form the next govt. Maybe they could get a few more MPs then they have. It will either be Labour/LD coalition, or Reform, that will be the choice..and with Greens and Corbyn/Sultana taking loads of votes in various towns and cities...that just makes a Reform govt more likely.
sep 2, 2025, 12:11 pm • 4 0 • view
You're still talking as if Labour is a party of the left. It isn't. People need to get that out of their heads. It is now a neoliberal party. It's not even pretending to be anything else. We need to end this myth that it's the Tories and Reform on one side, Labour and the other parties on the...
sep 2, 2025, 12:30 pm • 3 1 • view
... other. No. It is the Tories, Reform and Labour on one side. Once we accept that's the change Starmer has wrought on the Labour Party, then we can start thinking sensibly.
sep 2, 2025, 12:30 pm • 2 0 • view
ok...whatever. That is a very bluesky point of view.
sep 2, 2025, 12:32 pm • 0 0 • view
I don't hear you arguing otherwise. Just gainsaying. Your counterargument for those of us who seem able to cobble together a reasonable argument is...? Do you really see Labour as a party of social democracy any longer?
sep 2, 2025, 12:33 pm • 2 0 • view
Kind of. They just have a very shit situation to try and deal with. Aging population, massive debt, increased interest rates on that debt, no growth, and everything needs more money. And please don't tell me a wealth tax on top 2% is going to fix all that.
sep 2, 2025, 12:38 pm • 0 0 • view
so easy for Greens to say all sorts of stuff that gets lefties all jiggy with it, because they will never have to actually do any of it (if they did then they would quickly disappoint and then they'd be another left party to follow).
sep 2, 2025, 12:39 pm • 0 0 • view
because I swear the govt increased borrowing and put up taxes massively at the last budget to chuck at public sector worker pay, increase the min wage and the NHS, to invest in housing and renewables, are against leaving the ECHR and fracking and ...but yeah just the same.
sep 2, 2025, 12:36 pm • 0 0 • view
1% of the nation owns more wealth than the bottom 70%. The UN has chastised us for our poverty levels given the wealth of the nation overall. Nearly three-quarters of millionaires in G20 countries advocate for the wealthy to pay higher taxes and see a threat to democracy in current inequalities.
sep 2, 2025, 12:42 pm • 2 0 • view
When Starmer ran for the leadership of the Labour Party, his first pledge was to 'Increase income tax for the top 5% of earners, reverse the Tories’ cuts in corporation tax.' Instead, they wanted to take money from the disabled. Yes. A neoliberal party. Unless we return to social democracy...
sep 2, 2025, 12:42 pm • 1 0 • view
so we're going to rely on that 1% to fund everything...you know these rich people that can just get fancy accountants and lawyers and shift their money somewhere else...we'll just hope they do the right thing and fill the massive hole in our finances. Well, finger's crossed.
sep 2, 2025, 12:48 pm • 0 0 • view
Blame Starmer then, only himself to blame, the way he is alienating decent people that care for others
sep 2, 2025, 3:03 pm • 1 0 • view
It will be a coalition of the right. Labour will repeat history, just as their first liberal Prime Minister sold out the working classes for capital Starmer and Davey will do the same.
sep 2, 2025, 2:12 pm • 1 0 • view
“…taking loads of votes” as though those votes belong to Labour by default. Labour certainly aren’t going to form the next government, so why wouldn’t anyone claiming to be even vaguely progressive not vote for left-wing candidates instead?
sep 2, 2025, 12:18 pm • 8 1 • view
It's time to kill the Labour Party. It's dying anyway. bsky.app/profile/pete...
sep 2, 2025, 12:20 pm • 6 0 • view
oh, ok. Yeah, kill it. Why not.
sep 2, 2025, 12:21 pm • 1 0 • view
The only reason not to is that there are no other options to the left of them. Which is palpably not the case. I am a Green Party member, but my hope is that some sort of electoral alliance, tacit or otherwise, will be agreed between us, the LibDems and the new party. That could keep Farage...
sep 2, 2025, 12:26 pm • 5 1 • view
... out. But all Labour is doing is queering the pitch as an ostensible party of the left when it is now anything but. I want it eradicated.
sep 2, 2025, 12:26 pm • 6 0 • view
And the Greens will pull out of NATO. Is that wise?
sep 2, 2025, 2:24 pm • 1 0 • view
well...breast of luck.
sep 2, 2025, 12:28 pm • 0 0 • view
Oh, it's a slender hope as I've already said. Too many still regard Labour as a party of the left and a bulwark against Reform. But it's clear that the narrative is shifting already. We've got four more years.
sep 2, 2025, 12:32 pm • 0 0 • view
Kill it?
sep 2, 2025, 12:27 pm • 2 0 • view
🤭
sep 2, 2025, 12:28 pm • 1 0 • view
It's already fucking dead from the head down
sep 2, 2025, 2:03 pm • 0 0 • view
20% Labour?
sep 2, 2025, 2:03 pm • 1 0 • view
I think that’s a complete abrogation of your responsibilities to your fellow citizens thh
sep 2, 2025, 6:09 pm • 0 0 • view
They can certainly replace them in certain seats, to a point where voting Labour is splitting the Green vote, not the other way round
sep 2, 2025, 6:09 pm • 0 0 • view
To be fair, it wasn't that long ago that Reform were a fringe party that had no chance of replacing the Tories. But the Tories imploded so spectacularly that Reform are now the main party of the right (if polling is to be believed). Why shouldn't the Greens do the same on the left?
sep 2, 2025, 2:05 pm • 6 0 • view
I think there is every chance they will. Next year’s local elections are going to be very interesting.
sep 2, 2025, 6:05 pm • 3 0 • view
Yeah well, if only Labour could do something about that, such as... I dunno... be less shitty to foreigners? All I'm getting is wall-to-wall nativism from them, so yeah, fuck 'em. Green/LD it is.
sep 2, 2025, 1:24 pm • 3 0 • view
That assumes that anyone will still vote for Labour with two left-wing parties on the ballot.
sep 2, 2025, 6:07 pm • 0 0 • view
You mean the same Labour Party who told the left. What was it ‘shaking off the flees’ also working everyday to stop a Labour government. You mean that Labour
sep 2, 2025, 3:57 pm • 3 0 • view
Reform are going to win anyway. Voting for Labour isn't more beneficial than Reform
sep 2, 2025, 12:18 pm • 2 0 • view
I mean, Labour could try to win our votes, but they're not, so I don't see why i should have to vote for them anyway.
sep 2, 2025, 1:05 pm • 5 0 • view
You don't understand the Labour position: "Fuck you, you have no choice but to vote for us"
sep 2, 2025, 1:19 pm • 4 1 • view
Ok, ok, we’re transphobic flag shaggers who want to “temporarily” suspend human rights, but can’t you ignore all that & vote for us anyway? 🤪🤣
sep 2, 2025, 1:22 pm • 3 0 • view
Also, look at all of Yvette’s flags! She mad fer ‘em!
sep 2, 2025, 1:28 pm • 2 0 • view
Labour got the Ladybird book of 'How to torch your electoral coalition' and are following it word-for-word.
sep 2, 2025, 1:25 pm • 4 0 • view
They seem to think winning by default was due to their masterful election strategy… Despite their not even having an election strategy (beyond say nothing) 🤪🤣
sep 2, 2025, 1:28 pm • 5 0 • view
Labour aren't owed my vote and if they won't earn it, someone else will
sep 2, 2025, 12:16 pm • 3 0 • view
yes, well ok...but with a fptp system and all these parties it might actually be smarter to vote tactically...unless your ok with Farage as PM and mass deportations and binning of net zero etc?
sep 2, 2025, 12:20 pm • 0 0 • view
Voting tactically was how trans people lost their right with labour fuck that.
sep 3, 2025, 12:51 am • 0 0 • view
Agreed. Vote tactically for the Greens or Corbyn's new party and let FPTP wash away the centrists in LibLabCon.
sep 2, 2025, 6:11 pm • 0 0 • view
Thats what Labour are basically offering as well as the rampant transphobia and authoritarianism so yeah, they can go fuck themselves
sep 2, 2025, 12:22 pm • 2 0 • view
If Labour are too stupid to replace FPTP, then they deserve the annihilation it is going to deliver them.
sep 2, 2025, 6:03 pm • 1 0 • view
Labour IS the tories now
sep 2, 2025, 2:02 pm • 1 0 • view