Governor Gavin Newsom is a pro-democracy rock star. Anyone attempting to apply a purity test to him is missing the entire fascism plotline.
Governor Gavin Newsom is a pro-democracy rock star. Anyone attempting to apply a purity test to him is missing the entire fascism plotline.
If you’re waiting for perfection in a politician, you’re going to wait a long time and be disappointed anyway. Take the least worst, and work from that!
newsom isn’t the least worst. he’s literally the first set of keys they’ve even jangled at you
unfortunately it was those and their Purity tests that got us here... they wouldn't vote for Hillary, they wouldn't vote for Kamala... and they wouldn't vote to keep the democrats and the best economy in 50+ years going..
Is it pro democracy to kill the people you're supposed to represent because you dont like them
In this age of ascendant fascism, murdering and destroying the lives of your most vulnerable constituents is simply "telling it like it is" and "standing up to virtue signalling", rather than being an authoritarian psycho
I think that as the opposite side of the same coin, Newsom is exactly what Harris pointed out is broken with the US political system: Expecting a single leader will solve everything.
I respect you, but that's a swing and a miss. You can like and agree with something he does without sweeping his shortcomings under the rug. That's not purity testing, that's accountability.
Accountability and purity tests are different. You can hold someone accountable but if you torpedo the person that's potentially who stands between us and police state fascism, writing that person off because of a disagreement on a few issues is classic throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I understand your concern, but Newsom isn't being voted out for some time still, and you can both pressure him to continue the fight against authoritarianism *and* pressure him to take a better stance on supporting trans kids and helping the homeless.
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I don't disagree. One can do both. But that's still not purity testing to me. That's accountability. With purism I'm talking about candidates or elected officials who are summarily dismissed outright because of a single stance, especially when them in place can move the needle to a better place.
The problem is selling that to people who A: are directly affected by the single issue, making their personal outcomes terrible either way, and B: have seen that issue be a canary in the coalmine for other issues and C: have never seen the needle move, no matter the compromise.
I've been trying to formulate a proper response here, but I don't think this is the right format for a discussion of this size and complexity. Simply put I think I understand your position, but in the end I disagree with some of your analysis and political strategy.
Which is your right. I appreciate your civility.
You support a bigot. End of discussion.
You have no idea what you’re letting yourself in for. Go ahead and die on the hill of purity. It will literally be the last thing you do
Gavin Newsom is dying on the hill of Transphobia. bsky.app/profile/park...
Do you know who votes for bigots, Liz? Bigots do. So have fun with your unearned confidence and your moronic condescension over there with the other bigots.
What if the single issue was “sending Race Bannon to a concentration camp”?
Is there any way to hold politicians accountable without being accused of torpedoing them? People (including Harris herself) accused uncommitted of being pro-Trump because uncommitted tried to hold politicians accountable for the genocide they were financing.
Race Baiter
No, you just see trans people and the unhoused as lesser than, which is why you are going on about Patrick Bateman in support.
I’m European. Grow up.
American European, got it.
You voted not to be European. Don't invoke them now to sound cooler than you are, TERF Island loser.
I didn’t vote that way - and incidentally why accuse me of being a terf? Have you evidence of that! No, thought not. Simply pointing out to you that what’s going on in the US now is way above any single political issue. If you can’t see that then heaven help you. Die on that hill if you must.
My rights are not expendable. Or would you be so willing to be sacrificed by democrats like Palestinians were, and now my trans community?
if you are European, you'll be a lot more okay than someone in the Global South, which is where I came from. I'm an American who is unwilling to allow other people to be massacred as tribute under either party.
She's English, which is a more transphobic nationality than American, and lives under a church-run monarchy with no legal freedom of speech where anti-genocide protesters are arrested en masse.
Wow you are so ignorant about the world. None of that is true. I’m sorry for you. Btw, I have gay and trans kids and family and they are loved and valued - but you do you.
Your marginalised family members have no relevance to your own enormous privilege and ego. And sorry, you're not going to snow anyone about how England works lol
You know what? You’re a fool. A deluded fool. Have a nice life.
Let's vote on whether Liz should be renditioned to a labour camp. I'm in favour. I think breaking rocks with a pickaxe for 11 hours a day would do her good.
Go right ahead. When reality hits you I’ll be laughing all the way.
Had reality hit me long ago, I had a law abiding dad of mine deported under the democrats in 2013. I'm sure you know who was the president in charge of ICE back then, I hope. I've always had to be vigilant and alert no matter who is in charge. Yes, Trump is way worse, but this is nothing new to me.
Obama still deported more people. Trump is just noticeably worse to more privileged people. White tourists are at risk of deportation and rendition now. To some people Obama was worse.
I’m really sorry that happened to you. I’m sure you stay vigilant - and I hope you stay safe.
I hope you are safe too. I wish you well. ❤️
Given you're not intelligent enough to grasp the point I'm making, I'm sure you won't be around one way or another.
What’s your point? You don’t seem to be making a point at all.
Yes, that's what I mean about you not being intelligent enough to grasp the point everyone else in the conversation already caught
No ones right are expendable. But if you fail to see the big picture right now, expect your rights to disappear faster than you could ever imagine. And that’s your rights, my rights and everyone’s rights.
You're rights aren't at stake here you narcissistic sociopath.
I have many trans friends, some deep in my intimate social circle. My case tends to be made when I ask "Will trans people be safer and have more rights under a democracy or under fascist rule." Usually they understand that. We can't push for fairer treatment while living under fascism.
Is this a democracy where all the trans people are dead and everything else is ok? Cause you see why trans people might not be fucking cool with that? Or see it as better than fascism?
Not at all what I said. If you read my comment carefully, you will see that's not at all what I said.
No you said that a vicious transphobe was a rock star and you're doubling down defensively when people try to explain why that's fucked. Stop digging and making it about your ego and best intentions and listen to the impact of your Trumpian ideology on people.
Exactly that - when I see what’s going on in the world, I fear for my gay son and his partner, my niece and her trans partner - and everyone else no matter who they are. Fascists have a narrow view - if you’re not one of them you’re a target no matter what.
People have listed multiple issues. And human lives aren't "single issues." I know you're a selfish Xer--it doesn't matter if you voted that way, your country voted to not be European. You're not. And I never accused you of being a TERF but interesting you took it that way. 🤔
He’s evil
Just like when the bullied punch the bullies in the face & everyone is shocked… then reprimand the bullied for being cruel… I support the beautiful Governor Newsom 1500% no 2000%…. Wake up! This BS demand for PC behaviour has left the building… heck, it’s in a pick up speeding out of the country…
Apparently the "liberals" are the enemy.
"Fascism"? Newscum is a communist, always was ... always will be.
Thank you!! I Love him! We need a young Potus like him.
"Young?" He's pushing 60!
hey quick question: if Gavin Newsom woke up tomorrow and came out as in favor of bringing back racial segregation, would you still be calling criticisms of that a "purity test"?
Exactly. This is Trolling at it's finest! I look forward to every one of them after seeing Trump's serious text just like these for 10 years. Go Newsom!
We cannot fall into 'purity test' mode. Democratic leadership MUST manage a transition from the old to the new. Run on CHANGING THREE THINGS: Healthcare for All, Fair Economy, and Fair Taxes. Dems: MAKE SOME PROMISES. Convince the voters it is in their best interest to vote for us.
anyone picking a president to run against fascism next time shouldn't be lecturing people about meeting any moments
Purity tests are generally a waste of time and very self defeating for democracy. It allows well funded groups to manipulate peoples focus away from issues and on to interpretation of personal foibles and imperfections
Ah, I see, you don't think voters should have standards.
I think we should focus on core values not act like grammar school hall monitors which some of the purity testing looks like. I hear Mamdani said a few dubious things in the past. I don’t care. I care about his values today, communication, & ability to relate to voters.
Newsom hasn’t said “a few dubious things in the past” - he’s doing horrible things *right now*
Tell me about them. I’ll consider.
Openly opposed trans rights and conceded ground to the far-right on their anti-trans fear-mongering. Platformed far-right figures like Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon, and openly agreed with them on various issues, including trans rights (see above).
Also: bsky.app/profile/moxi...
Thank you for the information. I will consider.
really dumb lib shit
Grammar school hall monitors?! The governor of California is a hateful bigot. You are complicit. YUCK.
Ok
your account is tagged for transphobia
I had a spat a while back. He wouldn’t say why - but kept calling me transphobic & said he flagged me. I was tempted to say something to justify myself but I can’t w/o looking stupid. So I ask - has anyone ever witnessed me acting in a hostile manner toward trans people? Nobody ever has.
People Is Glass Houses. Should never throw Stones...
And is part of the problem. If you’re unhappy with democracy or America, El Salvador’s never been easier to get to.
Saying they're pro-Trump is also true.
Exactly.
Interesting that it's impossible to divide and conquer the Republicans
Keep saying this because you are right and many are doing so.
Having a leader who doesn’t throw vulnerable groups under the bus because it seems politically convenient is how you fight fascism. This is not a purity test, this is fighting Nazis 101, nobody is left behind. I’ll give Newsom credit where credit is due, but he needs to work to earn that trust back.
Trading one POS for another isn't ignoring the fascism. It's wanting to totally fix our government instead of going back to a POS that helped get us here in the first place. Both parties are broken.
He can both be doing some things I like and some things I very much don't like. Pretending leaders are either all good or all bad is what a cult does.
And I hope someone better is the nominee.
Gavin Newsome is an entertaining sparring partner. Do not mistake his ability to antagonize Trump as an ability to lead. If we put another uninspiring, tepid man in the White House, we will come back around to fascism in ‘32. Please think about more than just Trump for a minute!
I mean, he absolutely is a terrible person that and under normal circumstances should be written off as a slimeball. But we are in a war for our survival right now and he’s actually willing to throw down. We should at least be considering a temporary alliance.
Just absolute cult nonsense. You don't have to elect a complete degenerate like Newsom to fight fascism. You can elect a good person, I assure you. And it's WAY TOO FUCKING EARLY to be hitching your cart to that guy anyway, unless you just really like the way he hates trans people.
he passes their own purity test of abandoning the vulnerable while inviting bigots on to his podcast to have amiable discussions
"We want evil, but not too evil, you know? Enough that we can exploit the downtrodden but not enough that we have to answer for exploiting the downtrodden."
Let’s goooooo!
He literally trashed homeless folks’ tents and destroyed the only property they had with his OWN HANDS for a PHOTO OP, I’m glad he’s a fun little clapback pig for Trump tweets, but he’s absolutely not meeting the actual moment, he’s not the future leader of any actual opposition party
Definitely. All of Newsom's 'baggage' is policy disagreements, mostly from the right, as opposed to tRump visibly gutting the Constitution and the law.
THANK YOU. I've been doomscrolling the Newsom posts and getting much dismayed. People who will "never vote for "x" or "y" Democratic ticket secure our nation's demise.
I am "booo-yah" good with the fighting fascism thingy. I am happily re-posting that stuff everywhere. It is the asshats screaming, "Let's make the not-really ex-real estate developer our anti-Felon47 President-king" that irritate the shit outta me.
No one is screaming that
It's not a "purity test". Newsom has always been an ambitious figure with his finger in the wind, often enraging the Democratic base with accommodationist "Republican Lite" policies (eg anti-trans) With Trump's coup he latched onto what Establishment Dems wouldn't: rad anti-MAGA. Surprise it worked
Sounds like he could be even more ambitious by joining the Republicans and really pushing for bigotry, then.
Newsom's too ambitious for the modern GOP, which is structured entirely around total subservience to a senile narcissist.
Ha! Not really. Every ambitious politician needs a foot in the door to celebrity and a fast track to power. In the GOP, all you can do is suck Trump's dick; there are no surviving "moderates". You become faceless. In the Democratic Party, the party "leaders" like Schumer are polling in the 30s!
Liberals consider "first they came for the communists" a purity test
I'm actually still going to criticize him for being a neo liberal republican lite shit head who's been completely awful on the homelessness crisis or his shit ass podcast. him trolling Trump i guess is enough to make ppl forget about all that. Americans have goldfish brain i stg
fascism isn't won by voting for someone using more fascism to grab power. for reference see Labour in the UK. the rights are being taken away from transgender people faster than i can type that. nope. not voting for that. we have 3 years to find better more moral cc
what is distressing is how quickly so called allies are willing to abandon people who just want to go about their daily lives in peace. stop allowing transgender people to be used as a political football. who made this an issue? POLITICANS who want power. not. transgender people.
Just try not to choose someone who sends bombs to war criminals or covers for sex offending ex-presidents. Do you think you can do that much? Are you sure?
In 2024, Gavin Newsom championed President Biden’s reelection—“all in, no daylight”—even as Biden armed the indicted war criminal Netanyahu. He mourned Gaza’s children yet never opposed the bombs—laying bare a glaring moral contradiction. calmatters.org/politics/202...
"pro-democracy rock star" so words just don't mean absolutely anything anymore, cool. imagine if you even pretended to give a shit about gerrymandering.
Bravo!!!
Does this include trans people who are critical of Newsom? bsky.app/profile/park...
"If you don't agree to throwing vulnerable groups under the bus, you're missing the entire fascism plot line." 👍👍🌊🌊🌊
if fascists want to erradicate trans people, and newsom does not fight them on that, is he REALLY fighting fascism?
fascism to these fucks is "trump makes america look bad :(" and not, you know the fascism. they don't even know what fascism is! and apparently are incapable of looking it up. no matter what happens after all this: we can't let the boomers happen again.
Totally agree. Tell the far left. medium.com/extra-extra/...
Screw the purity test bull shit That is nonsense & why D's lose much. Forget about that. We need WINNERS that WiN Nothing else matters The Repub's have no rules They r unscrupulous & viscous. WE must win at all costs
Yeah. He understands the assignment. He understands the fight. No, he wouldn’t pass a purity test but right now, I don’t care. We need people who understand the fight and meets it on terms.
terrifying thought: what if YOU don’t understand the fight
More than missing the point. They are collaborators.
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"Pro-democracy rockstars" don't promote their desires to gerrymander their states, they definitely don't have anti-democracy fascist propagandists on their podcasts to "find common ground".
He and his band of hero Governors are truly looking out for Democracy
Preach! 🥳
Thank you 👏🏻
asking a politician to not sacrifice minorities "for the benefit of the majority" isn't a fucking "purity test" - it's asking them to safeguard the literal most basic foundational keystone of a functioning democracy human dignity is inviolable - and this has to apply to ***everyone***
anyone who doesn't understand this doesn't understand what fascism is
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👆💯🔥🎯 People need to understand we will lose EVERYTHING on EVERY issue if we don't stop the march toward facism & create new safeguards with criminal penalties & enforcement I don't care if we disagree on any issue/policy/message NOTHING matters if we can't save Democracy TY for getting it
I agree. Without a fair functioning democracy, the homeless, trans kids and Palestinians (and also Ukrainians) are even worse off and the rest of us are screwed as well.
And to be clear, Newsom passed multiple laws in the past 3yrs to protect trans kids & make CA a sanctuary state for gender affirming care as well as protect all LGBTQ kids in schools with the SAFETY act & TGI...people lost their minds because he said he understands concerns about trans athletes
And as for the homeless...in addition to building over 170,000 new low-cost units he just passed an over $1 Billion funding bill to provide more shelters, resources, and services for the homeless On both accounts he trying to protect trans kids & help the homeless
The primaries are years away
I don't give a crap about 28. Have to make it to 26. With anyone willing to fight.
The opponent of Trump's opponent is Trump's friend.
I don't vote for people that call trans women men, and you're just going to have to get comfortable with that
He’s doing what needs to be done. But that’s it. He’s not the future of the party or country.
He ain't doing shit.
No kidding. Fools 😡
And the purity test for MAGAts is a genuine lack of irony and incomprehension of satire.
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"We don't question our leaders, that's fascist!"
Except for vetoing single payer healthcare....
Bottom line!!
I am not a Republican, I WILL NOT VOTE AGAINST MY OWN SELF INTEREST. Debating who does or doesn't deserve human rights with fascists is fascism. YOU CANNOT APPEASE FASCISM! Human rights for EVERY FUCKING HUMAN! It's a morality test NOT a purity test.
Totally. If you want to die on that hill - remember that you take the rest of us with you.
No he is not. He’s shot down the will of the people several times and has literally said he’d veto CalCare because he’s taken huge amounts of money from the insurance industry.
This is not single issue politics. This is way bigger than anything you have experience of. If you can’t see that that heaven help you.
You know all about supporting transphobes, we know
Wow - you have some issues. Must be fun in your bunker…
It’s too bad you have no issues you care about other than your own comfort
Hopefully she ends up becoming a pensioner and starves or succumbs to exposure under the Labour government she supports.
This isn’t a single issue. It’s dozens. Gavin Newsom is a bad candidate who is an awful human being. You’re going to lose again by putting someone up who is as slimy as Trump but more palatable for you.
I admire his balls (I said it) but anybody willing to platform fascists and bigots and throw trans people under the bus needs to be viewed with all the suspicion in the world. I am an old white straight fucker and I am not willing to give up an inch just because it doesn't affect me personally.
Takes like this is why you people keep losing
Don’t averse yourself to facts. Who is his ex wife and current consultant? He’s a Republican. Didn’t do JACK SHIT while LA was occupied
"those" people?
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Cool, I'm just not gonna pull punches on bigots who want to help oppress trans people and the homeless. Gavin Newsome is a slimeball bigot who is just saying what he thinks will get him power. He has no convictions and will throw anyone under the bus for his own gain.
looool, this is embarrassng
Gov Newsom is standing up for the US Constitution. THAT is the most important issue now. If he chooses to run for President, I will support Newsom for POTUS 2028. #Solidarity
Too bad he's not standing up for trans people. bsky.app/profile/park...
I will vote for whoever the Democrats choose to run because there is simply no other viable choice right now if we want to maintain a democracy.
There's an entire primary. Just blindly bending the knee to the guy the DNC establishment wants to win is the antithesis of democracy.
I hope they run Trump, just so you can argue how great that is.
Is the right answer.
If your voting in whoever, just to ‘maintain democracy’, you are in fact undermining and devaluing the concept of democracy. Add to that insipid scolding of people with a tiny bit more understanding that you
Exactly this. If you, as a voter, are willing to simply rubber stamp a candidate regardless of how repulsive, dangerous and authoritarian their policies are, then you have gladly surrendered any democratic power you had.
The man likes a bigot, and does not care at all that the bigot is bigoted. The man is a fool.
Ffs.
I didn’t like the plot twist where the turned out to believe the same lies about me that the fascists have been telling
What is up with "meeting basic standards" becoming "purity tests" lmao
that’s all it can possibly look like to a person without any
*wet fart noises*
There’s no time for purity tests. The change needed to stop GOP fascism has to happen now regardless of imperfections.
this app is turning into a leftist cult rage machine, just like twitter did fir the fascists.
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Gavin newsom isn't the best candidate ever. He isnt representative of every group in need. But he's the only one fighting back right now. Give me a better, viable candidate and I'll vote for them. But if he isn't the one, someone needs to be
And if elected liberals refuse to heed their entire voter base, or refused to end support to Israel because of their genocide against Palestine, then they deserve to lose the election. The point of getting elected is showing you listen and are concerned about your voter base. If you don't care,--
-- then you don't deserve to win. Gavin newsom has done some horrible things as far as how he treats the homeless, and his inability to deal with the housing crisis. Things he rightfully deserves to be called out on, as well as his inability to put an end to ice raids.
With Brad Sherman standing behind him? The proud Nazi who calls for the elimination of entire groups of people? Show me your friends, I'll tell you who you are.
EXACTLY. Demands for idealistic perfection attract unproven “outsider” candidates. We end up with another Fetterman or Sinema…. or most likely losing outright. A vote isn’t a love letter. It’s a chess move to win a world we want to live in.
haahaha
A post-script for what happens when you speak up for pragmatism on Bluesky.
He's a GETTY! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Paul...
The more tonally pleasant fascist is what America needs to save itself from the unpleasantly toned fascists!
Correct AF are You!
We’re at a tipping point where democratic purity tests will complete the destruction of our democracy. We have to fight dirty right now, so if that means someone like Newsom, who has baggage, is willing to be that person, then I’m all in. I’ll worry about his shortcomings after we’ve saved the U.S.
Progressives will have to choose - more Trump or a centrist. On their heads be it.
Running a centrist will get you more Trump anyway, though
Like Obama did?
That's a weird retort. Things have changed a lot since 2012 -- I highly doubt Pres. Obama would be elected in a general election now.
Try nominating a progressive and enjoy another 4 years of maga.
Sure, I will!
I know. My condolences to our democracy.
Already dead
Well with that attitude, it’s certainly more likely than not.
What I'm not doing, though, is living in a reality that no longer exists
I mean it's so fucking blatant too, yet they act like he's not quoting the orange douche word for word almost lol. Fox even stated that they know it's mocking trump but as one of the most powerful governers he should be held to a higher standard. but the president shouldn't? This is all so dumb
Nice to have this surety that you will never be homeless or otherwise systematically disempowered, i guess.
You guys have literal years to find a better candidate, don't go all in right at the start
Two weeks ago he was rousting homeless people & shitting on trans kids, because he thought that would further his career. It didn't, so he switched to shitposting. The goal (the further aggrandizement of Gavin Newsom) is the same. Aren't you a little old to fall for this shtick?
He is willing to bargain away the rights of trans kids, no thanks
Go ahead and die on that hill. Trump will be delighted if you do so.
Don't openly oppose my literal existence and then expect even a shred of my support. I don't care if the guy criminalizing my existence has a 'D' or an 'R' next to his name, my life and my rights are in danger regardless.
If you think destroying the rights of trans kids is an acceptable cost than you are just as despicable as Trump
I don’t think that at all. Why do you think that I do? Are you so bound up on one issue that you can’t see further than that. Really?
You're assuming people are "one issue" when you don't know shit about Newsom. Instead of lecturing people more knowledgeable than you WHO WILL BE IMPACTED MORE why don't you shut up and learn?
This is who you are supporting BTW: bsky.app/profile/park...
The man violently cleared a homeless camp. He's worse than Trump.
Newscum's state is a sewer.