It’s the dictionary definition and it’s scientifically true according to taxonomy. It had nothing to do with patriarchy, only taxonomy.
It’s the dictionary definition and it’s scientifically true according to taxonomy. It had nothing to do with patriarchy, only taxonomy.
Isn't a trans woman considered a woman according to the dictionary? It absolutely has something to do with patriarchy, regardless of taxonomy being involved or not, because the meaning of the word came when patriarchy had more power than it does now.
No, it just means that the females in any species produce ova and since trans women dont produce ova they don’t fit the description of a woman (adult female human) as they claim they do.
How do you know if someone produces ova or not when you meet them for the first time?
Because a trans woman produces spermatozoa
How do you know when you meet someone?
Defenitionally they do.
But how do you know when you meet someone?
There are different ways to test : Crocodile dundee had his test. There are swab tests you can do to confirm. Visual clues and indicators :)
The dictionary your using contradicts you though. Despite certain trans woman not being able to produce ova. They are still seen as women.
It doesn’t contradict me. I’m saying trans women aren’t women, and the dictionary agrees yet again. They don’t produce ova. Which is why you find trans women described under trans women and not women. They’re trans.
Except the dictionary calls them women. "a woman who was considered to be male at birth" The dictionary disagrees with you and calls them women.
A woman who is male at birth is still a male . Still produces spermatozoa and not ova.
Yet the dictionary still calls them a woman, despite being male. "a woman who was considered to be male at birth" They are women.
Correct, which is why trans women needs the trans- part. Trans women are trans women, not women.
Yeah? Because they're trans. Correct is right. Trans women are trans women. Trans women are women. They need the trans part as much as black women need the black part or blond women need the blond part.
Yes, however it’s an additive that negates the premise. Women can be black and blonde, they can’t produce spermatozoa though. Trans women do.
Dictionaries capture the meaning of words at a point in time - their definitions are socially constructed, just like "women" "female" "gender" etc are. Our history is heavily shaped by patriarchal norms, which influenced people's understanding. Modern scientific research affirms trans autonomy.
Also; taxonomy doesn’t work of social constructs. It’s very heavily tied to reality, not norms and conducts in drum circles.
Reality... as interpreted by scientists influenced by a patriarchal society... which produce taxonomies based on a socially enforced gender binary that affects their perception of the body. Modern research has identified these old biases and moved to science that incorporates LGBTQ existence.
In other words: left science behind in favor of social activism. Which produces 0 results and is a waste of tax payer money.,
Scientists have always been social activists, because science will always produce data and research that comes into conflict with existing power structures. Transphobia is a waste of taxpayer money, actively harms millions of families' social life and lets fascists gain more power, like today.
No. That’s a blatant lie. Many scientists from Ancient Greece lived before politics were even invented. Today’s university bums are activists and science have left campus . Thank you for admitting what we’ve all been suspecting for a while. Cut funding for universities. Privatization inc.
Throwing the toys out of the pram because the science doesn't agree with transphobia and demanding scientists and universities lose their funding - classic right wing authoritarian behaviour, tale as old as time. "Before politics were invented" is a new one though! Wow
Throw your transphobia out the window, you made universities completely useless by throwing all of science out of it. It’s the consequences of your own action, dumbass. Either respect what came before or lose what it built for you. Activist scum.
Defunding universities and supporting fascist anti-LGBTQ groups because trans people exist? Just sad really. You'll find your life won't be any worse if you have a read of the literally thousands of articles that affirm trans existence. Life is not restricted to the patriarchal gender binary.
And what do those thousands of articles have to say about ”trans women not being able to ovulate disqualified them from being women? ” Bet they skipped that part.
No, it’s because you peddle anti scientific ideas and yet claim science as your basis of existence.
But taxonomy is shaped by definitions and intricate traits for all flora and fauna. It disproves the statement ”trans women are women”. How does modern science work around taxonomy?
Taxonomy concerns classifications, which are human interpretations of already-existing things. These interpretations are shaped by our social world - for instance, racist scientists once claimed that black people were genetically devolved, which we now recognise as nonsense. Transphobia is the same.
Pffffft. What a weak response. Taxonomy works without your socially constructed lens of interpretation. This has nothing to do with transphobia either. It’s a simple scientific inquiry: can a trans woman ovulate ? If yes , she’s a female and therefore a woman. If no, she’s not a female. Binary
That isn't science, that's your opinion, influenced by centuries of patriarchal expectations of women as mothers to men's children. Ovulation exists independent of what some conservatives claim define us. Modern science has moved on from conservative attitudes.
It’s not my opinion , it’s a biological fact that ovulation happens . We call those who ovulate female. Women are adult female humans. Trans women claim to be women. Do they ovulate? No, then they are not women. What you use is just word political word salad.
Ovulation exists; the application of social constructs like "female" and "woman" as an inherent truth is ideological (one that erases more than just trans ppl because it is a patriarchal, not scientific) Modern scientific research has moved past such outdated assumptions. Transphobia keeps it alive
It follows a scientific definition, not a socially constructed one or an ideological one. Demonstrate that claim. Inherent truth is different from textbook definitions. If your not gonna conform to agreed upon terms than why even bother having a discussion? Words are meaningless under your logic.
Yeah let's demonstrate the claim, could you tell me where the scientific proof that our bodies exist under a patriarchally-cultivated inherent gender binary is? "Inherent truth" is that we exist as humans. The genders assigned to bodily functions are socially constructed - not inherent at all.
”Genders assigned to bodily functions are socially constructed” Does that mean I can think I have a vagina and it poofs into existence? You guys need to knock it the fuck off xD
No, gender is just the Christian name for sex as they thought sex sounded to vulgar. Sex means male and female genitalia. Gender identity means what someone identifies as in their brain.
Actual biologists are fully aware that classifications are just best guesses used to help wrap their heads around concepts. They argue and joke about it all the time. Please stop pretending to have knowledge and understanding which you do not.
Please stop pretend like you guys have Jobs. Holy fuck you’re delusional.
My dude, you're not even subtle about being a rebranded Creationist.
And you’re not being subtle about being an old school activist destroying yet another monument of human endevours. Academia.
"Throw out peer reviewed studies" this guy earlier lol
Yes, since they didn’t adress the inquiry 🤦 A gender studies peer reviewed paper is completely useless since it has no predictive capability and no explanatory power.
Your confession to not having any idea what encyclopedias are is very persuasive or something. Please learn words from sources other than an old word of the day calendar.
There’s only ever been one source for words. The dictionary. Why would you ever speak English otherwise? Did you mean: gurrpadurpadruuuu? No. Because we use the dictionary.
Where do you think the words come from that go into dictionaries? Do you think that some people just sat around making words and that's how language is made? Languages evolve, just like our understanding of gender has evolved. Do you think the dictionary writers have no possible biases?
Biases in the doctionary 😂 ”Look, they are racists! It’s say it right here; page 208.” Fuck off! Sex = what’s between your legs. Gender = what’s between your legs for prudy Christians. Gender identity = what someone feels they are in their heads. It’s the only coherent framework there is.
archive.is/qVozv Yes, dictionaries have the biases of their writers or do you only think the n-word became offensive in 1999 when Merriam-Webster defined it as offensive. I thought you said ova make a woman, and therefore sex is not based on what's between ones legs as ovaries are above the hips 🤔
What n word? And ; females produce ova- yes they women are females.
Ok, so why do we check the sex box on birth certificates without performing imaging to know which gonads they have? What is the sex of someone born without gonads? What is the sex of someone born with one of each gonad?
We dont need imaging if we have visual confirmation. But you COULD get the sex test done before birth and they don’t take gonads into account then either as they use the vaginal wall as a confirmation point on X-rays. sex is just penis or vagina. Ovotesticular variations are just hermaphroditism.
Ok are intersex people men or women? If a person is born with a vulva and testes, are they a boy or a girl?
It depends on whether they produce ova or spermatozoa. It varies from case to case.