Our moderation team continues to monitor and review all received reports, and will action accounts based on in-app violations of our Community Guidelines. We want our actions to be clear and consistent, recognizing that we have more work to do to make that happen.
"We want our actions to be clear and consistent" You don't have to. You see yourselves as cops, when you should be soldiers in an information warfare landscape. You just have to recognize the enemy and fight them, you don’t owe them an explanation. (Singal and his ilk are the enemy)
Actually he is their friend, in the most literal and colloquial sense of the term
Which is why this whole situation is happening in the first place, when they were clearly willing to take action against similar malefactors before
Bullshit.
i can't say that tacit endorsement of "i'm not touching you" is the experience i'm looking for
So in other words, "we've decided that harassment campaigns are fine when Jesse Singal does them, and have adjusted how we interpret and carry out our community guidelines accordingly"
but they're not clear nor are they consistent in certain aspects. that's what people are taking you to task about.
More than the zero work you've put in so far? I'd say so yeah
I don't understand. How hard is it to do the right thing and protect all users. The shit ones are not what you want here. They will only make this place into another x/Twitter and the whole thing will fall apart. Just do the right thing.
Okay cool! I’ll head over to instagram and tell everyone the home addresses of your entire safety team! And of course I’ll also say what I hope happens to them. Should be fine since it’s off this app right?
So you’ll let nazis on here as long as they play nice with their posts? Dumb fucks. Thanks for finally saying what we were all thinking about you guys 🖕 <- this means fuck you btw since I know your overall intellect is low
Your actions haven’t been clear or consistent since you unbanned a hate account twice and removed the transphobia label Stop with this mealy mouthed bullshit, what is he paying you?
Uh, no. We're not buying it. We KNOW you're aware of the problems of this particular person. We KNOW you're aware of the problems they have already caused here. Fix this or risk letting them destroy what has been built here.
Clear and consistent? 👍
You could start that improvement by just listening to the people who've already had to deal with him and ban his ass *now* Or you could keep telling everyone that he's more important than the people he sics hate mobs on. Just so you're aware? That last one is what you're doing right now.
Fuck you.
Are you genuinely suggesting that if I set up a web forum for the purpose of harassing people and use it to coordinate harassment, I'd still be welcome here because the planning happens off-site and stochastically? That is, I cannot emphasize this enough, fucking stupid and fucking dangerous.
then ban singal. he litterally *has violated the community guidelines*
Where?
there are other people who can more easily send you specific posts, but the guidelines say "Treat others with respect. For example, no:... ...Harassment or abuse directed at a specific person or group, including but not limited to, sexual harassment and gender identity-based harassment"
Singal is a well known anti trans activist and journalist, has a long history or harassment and hate speech against trans people, has subtly done it here a few times, and has heavily implied he intends to try to overpower lgbtq+ and ally voices with a massive hoard of people like him.
I don't think any of that's true. It's certainly not true of any of his posts on this platform.
Wouldn't right now be a good time to do that work? 🤔
I've been enjoying Blue Sky enough that, when the possibility of subscriptions arose, I actually thought of getting one, my first subscription to something like this. But now it is at best wait and see and not at all going to happen unless this policy changes.
So I can doxx and harass people from X and you don't care? And folks like Jesse Singal can doxx and harass people from X?
I hear you, but how true is this? Policies are outdated, reports filed feels one-sided, transparency is feel more like a word, frequent updates, conducive discussion between users and the Mod team is non-existent, I mean how big was the moderation team compared to now? 20? 1000? 125?
You are writing words and they don’t mean anything
Oh, eat shit, transphobes. Seriously, fuck off.
But nothing has been done about the fake Stephen King account here that has half a million followers.
Rules are good to have, but if you don't ban based on obviously bad vibes too you're going to get overrun by bad actors who dance on the line maliciously. No amount of carefully worded rules are going to eliminate those people or their actions
oh, its clear and consistent alright. Users can't target and harass other users Except, of course, you're *famous* enough. Or are targeting the *right* minorities. then by all means have as many TOS violations as you please.
"Users can't target or harass other users" That is clear on the surface, but otherwise, unclear. There is nothing in that statement that can be measured.
In general, between individuals? Sure. It's difficult. But this is about a right wing extremist that is outright telling us he is trying to gather shitheels from Twitter and KiwiFarms to come here & harass people & intentionally spread misinformation. They're intentionally hiding that here.
Like, they're making these vague, generalist statements but this is about one person and the posse he's trying to bring to this platform with blatant admission to violate TOS en masse. There's no "vague, impossible measurements" here. His life goal is to make minorities' lives worse.
I agree. There are almost two related issues: 1. General safety mechanisms (which I think are good, but can improve 2. An individual somehow navigating around those systems, possibly as a result of someone at BlueSky having a Zoom call with him, which gives him preferential treatment
My issue is with point two, but also my issue is despite having the individual blocked, I'd have to block anyone talking about him in order to be free of him
Now that you've gotten past the icky "minority and sex worker" foundational stage you can move onto the "scrub this place of filth in the name of capital" stage. fucking predictable. You got what you wanted and its time to dispose of us. You caught just a tiniest sniff of money and no longer care.
you aren't banning people for promoting pedophilia advocacy, you'd have to ban Jesse, and Aaron too
They have been anything but consistent.
And yet when people have asked your members and told your teams about problematic people. You have done nothing. Hell they have stopped posting themselves. Do better.
So, if I wanted to get around Bluesky's ToS all I would have to do is post something vile on Twitter that itself would violate Bluesky's moderation rules, copy/paste it on a Bluesky post and make no comment that violates the ToS when it then become a Bluesky post? That makes no sense.
"We want our actions to be clear and consistent. Except for one particular guy. He can do whatever. The rest of you can go fuck yourselves."
hope y’all enjoy becoming the same kind of nazi bar x/twitter is now. protecting this ONE guy isn’t worth driving away hundreds or potentially thousands of users. if you refuse to do anything about him, he won’t be the first. shameful.
Thank you for a measured and reasoned response.
Ya know, I encouraged friends to follow me over here from the other sites. I'm not doing that anymore. Genuinely thought y'all would be better, so egg on my face, I guess. Feels like you're throwing your trans users under the bus for one shitty dude and his entourage. Par for the course :(
clearly not
TL:DR: You wanted to clarify that your terms are, when a person joins your platform with the EXPLICIT STATED GOAL of marshalling legions of people to make a large, vulnerable, marginalized population of your users feel unsafe and harassed, and then flagrantly and immediately does that, that's A-OK.
We’ve been working on an improved version of our Community Guidelines that provides greater detail and more examples, and plan to release it early next year and solicit feedback from the community. As we grow, we will continue to learn and adjust.
My feedback is that you need to ban Jesse Singal and not make insensitive jokes about how you "never even noticed" user backlash.
Since it's all about the guidelines, when will these guidelines condemn outward hate and intolerance, resulting in action against these folks? Maybe I'll just self-ban myself until you act against #Singal and the hate community he's building right under your noses.
Your terms of service to create an account should require the user to manually type in phrases supporting trans individuals, affirming pro choice ideology, and rejecting racism. Conservatives have too much bull necked pride to ever type in those phrases even falsely.
i have a feeling the mods themselves are some of the conservatives unfortunatently
I think this continued pressure and harassment will eventually make them bend. I don't think that Aaron cumstain will still be employed come January.
Until then, the calls for his firing should continue
Come January he’ll be even more emboldened to be a useless sack of shit.
LETS HOPE NOT! He should be fired if not blacklisted from the industry!
put it before the community NOW for their input... before you fk it all up.
Please learn from the blowback you're getting that said Community does not want violators of the trust allowed back in simply because they're rich or influential enough. Guidelines not enforced stop being real.
Doesn't really seem like you will
lemme guess, you're going to remove the part where harassment of trans people and promoting pedophilia isn't allowed
So what you're saying here is you're trying to pre-empt what the new US administration is going to do, given the appointed head of the FTC has said he will go after companies that allow the censorship of conservatives?
The *proposed* head. We've already knocked one of his nominees out of the ring, and another's looking wobbly - this one might not make it either.
Exactly.
You are getting buckets of feedback now. Maybe listen to it now rather than later?
feedback 1: bake in the ability for a team to make gut-level decisions about bad actors waggling their asses just behind the line of violation, based on what you want your site to be. Building consent to such preventative removal into your ToS is worth pounds of reactive cure and persisting damage
Also probly useful to use Clearsky, ontop of looking people up, they could use to moderate with. See the report, Find the account in question, Look up to see if something doesnt sit right, Then ban the account if something doesnt sit right(tho back and forth would be useful too with the victims)
(to make sure they are the victims and not the person who needs to be banned)
“Continue to”? You’d have to start learning and adjusting instead of just repeating last year’s mistakes with a different demographic first
If you have no intention of enforcing your current community guidelines, how will adding more material to ignore while allowing your users to be abused do anything? I and others would be happy to pay for a moderated website. Why not fill the market gap?
What community? You’ve lost our faith. You might just lose us, period
Your community guidelines was fine enough! "Don't make this place unwelcoming". But seems you're going to carve that out so you can protect dangerous and malicious actors. I didn't have a twitter and I don't need this shit, either.
Speedrunning failing as a social media website, I see.
You’re CURRENTLY getting feedback from the community and refusing to listen. “Improved Community Guidelines” is a transparent attemp to deflect from the inconsistent enforcement of the current guidelines. You had a bunch of tech literate folks as your earliest users, nobody is falling for this!!
Do you have a privacy policy? How do members know that their identity is protected?
Fuck you.
There are bots, fake profiles with fake photos on here and females promoting sexual photos/porn (link to click n their videos, etc.). I get their follow requests along with my fiancé. Where are the controls with this? Same when I was on X. #blueskysafety #bluesky
Here's an idea: don't let people openly hostile to trans people stay on your fucking site. Ban Singal and every other hateful bigot; they only ever act in bad faith and degrade the value, and values, of your platform
Hire trans people to run your moderation services.
Are we now waiting until early 2025 4 your guidelines 2 reflect rightfully banning Jesse & his ilk? Because if your guidelines don’t mean he’ll be banned now or in Jan then I don’t TRUST that u have anyone’s SAFETY in mind except bad actors. Keep it simple: ban him now, fix up the guidelines later.
Yooo this is some weak shit. Do better.
As you grow you'll continue to throw minorities under the bus.
So, the same “community guidelines” as all the other places. Cool cool cool
So i guess now with the update you will make this site twitter 2 and all my effords to meet my mutuals are for nothing, because this is twitter 2 with all the scum coming here and getting protected as harassers and pedofiles
You guys are doing a lot in a very short amount of time. Breathe and pat yourselves on the back. You are doing great.
The fact that @safety.bsky.app doesn't say a word about coordinated activities in moderation is a big red sign that whoever elaborates the rules for blocking/banning doesn't know what is doing. You're being mass targeted by disinformation and scam campaigns, and this hurts your true users!
pretty sure the feedback doesn't need to be solicited, you know what the feedback is from your users
doesn't matter what you write in the guidelines if you're too afraid to act on violations. absolutely weak shit
Or you could pay some transgender experts in security and equality a consultancy fee to advise you instead of expecting trans people to work for free and not get listened to.
Jesse Singal is a menace. Get him gone!
unherd.com/newsroom/acl...
yeah after his lawyer bullshit, jesse singal still is a pedophile he has work with kiwifarm owner Joshua Moon who is a pedophile. he did that here openly on blusky.
I’ve been reading up on him. Curious why @blueskysafety.bsky.social is dropping the ball.
Yada yada, bollocks
You are apparently taking the standard corporate approach of hoping this blows over so you don't have to act. People will vent their outrage, a few leave, the rest resign themselves to the new (worse) status quo. Thing is, allowing predators to join means there is not just one incident to wait out.
Jesse Signal (and others who will follow) will be constantly stirring up incidents. Your platform will tilt towards becoming nothing but the attacks and responses. People are tired of it. These people, in particular: the people who could not, would not tolerate what Twitter became.
Maybe some business bro is telling you that controversy is what makes a successful social media platform. And yet, all those millions of people who just joined? They were fleeing the fact that every platform has pivoted towards that.
Maybe running a decent platform with decent standards for a userbase who opted to be here because they like a decent community just hasn't really been tried yet. Maybe you could try it.
Or maybe the millions of users who came here and haven't put down roots yet will drift away once they see there is nothing different about BlueSky after all.
Even those of us who have put down roots are drifting away. I didn't leave twitter just to end up with the same BS
excited for the new "we will ignore big TERF accounts for no stated reason" addendum
Can we please have a feature that makes george bush
Allowing Jesse Singal to remain on this platform is a threat to the safety and well-being of trans users. He has shown he'll go as far as posting minors' medical info in order to attack his opponents. His violation of ToS shouldn't be ignored just because he's a "big journalist."
Hey I think you should just ban him instead of writing a fucking essay
We're giving you feedback already and you're not listening. You have one chance to fix this or your platform is toast.
So instead of enforcing your guidelines equally you're changing your guidelines to carve out a home for hate, which has sunk other platforms. Got it thanks
Hatespeech and harrassment is not allowed unless you are a cis dude with some faux journalist background or a nazi (Not like those are pretty different for a certain individual) that is their new guideline it seems.
You should ban people with a history of harassing trans people in major national newspapers.
So ban Jesse Singal in the meantime? ‘Early next year’ is long enough for bad actors to do plenty of damage
By improved, you mean mapping a specific pathway for lots of abusers to flood bluesky w/ transphobic abuse & summon more transphobes to terrorize the people who built the core usership of the platform? i.e. you won't crack down on people screen shotting transphobic abuse, in order to abuse?
@kira.bsky.mk This account has a block list of over a 1,000 good people. I have blocked her so I cannot report her from her site. She has no post only her block list.
You're not doing anyone any good by allowing avowed anti-LBGTQIA+ trolls like Singal stay around because there's no 'direct' violation of TOS. Schweinhunden like Singal know how to play within wording of a TOS to cause harm and violate the spirit of the TOS.
"we don't want to ban this guy breaking our ToS so we're changing the ToS" is really not the mastermind move you think it is
We are all learning as we go along, both here and in life. Thank you for your honesty and all that you do. Keep up the good work!
So long as you have the Australian language filters built into your community guidelines so Australians don't get pinged all the time for our language we're good :D
Do you believe that you've earned trust, given the high-profile rule breakers who are allowed to just keep on trucking here?
So I assume that your “improved Community Guidelines will include clarifications that sections 1D, 1M, 2A, 2B, 2C, and 2D of the current Community Guidelines don’t apply to people who are buds with the head of Bluesky’s Trust and Safety team?
Hypocrites!!! Liars!!! I want you to feel all of the worry and pain you inflict on the community that set you up in the first place!!!!!! Crash and burn!!!!! May trump send you to the camps first!!! May you get doxxed and harassed the same way we do!!!! Curses in you!!!
apparently not
at least give us private accounts if you're not going to fucking do anything else
Hey I think we've got some feedback now if you're ready to hear it.
Moderation decisions draw intense public scrutiny from many places. That’s why Bluesky's architecture is designed to enable communities to control their online spaces, independent of the company or its leadership. We will continue to work on empowering people with more control over their experience.
Idk who this singal guy is but he very clearly is ruining the vibe as announced by MANY other people here. If nothing else could you do yourself a favor and ban him to shut them all up
👍all i want is to shut up about this and go back to shitposting, but i'm not gonna shut up while there's a rancid turd here killing the vibes for everyone (but esp. trans ppl)
pedophile apologist and anti-trans bigot
Is there anything particularly special about this one that makes him immune to being outed and/or showing his cards on his own merit?
Like if he really is all that it’s only a matter of time before he does or says some shit that clearly crosses the line, right? Still upsetting that the trash can’t preemptively be taken out though
He's already doin' it, man. He has been banned and unbanned at least once now, twice if you include the Intolerant mark they removed from his account. You can just go look him up, if you're not trans you're not at risk of being brigaded by the guy.
I’ll take your word for it. I have him blocked on principle and am not particularly interested in lifting it to peek. If nothing else it’s really inspiring to see the community come together to keep each other safe from him. Like as a user you can’t escape the calls to block him.
He's already doing it.
He has a large following that he's sicced on small trans accounts elsewhere. He announced to his followers that he would be coming to bksy and asked them to come too so he could do the same thing here. He publicly organized a mass-harassment campaign, and bsky didn't do anything to stop it.
He's got a few bylines in the Atlantic and the NYT. And he's one degree of pædophile removed from Aaron (they're both Protisia guys)
Can you elaborate on the last part, idk what protisia is
It was/is a pædophile advocacy/normalisation organisation. Singal has gushed about them in print, and Aaron was following their head of T&S on here till people called him on it
Booooo do your fucking jobs
So here's the fun thin: because Bluesky DOES have 12+ million users now, you're not going to be able to use radio silence to avoid dealing with the issue this time. Until you start enforcing your T&S consistently and stop letting a transphobe dictate policy, people aren't going to let up.
I don't understand what's so indecisive about banning one guy who is looking to harass trans people. Just because he happens to have a journalistic position shouldn't mean he gets to be a bad faith actor in the community.
Many of us don’t have the tools to moderate. Not everyone is a dev, and we need tools to keep us safe from bad actors and actual, literal Nazis. It is the company and leadership’s responsibility to maintain safety for the community, you don’t get too throw your hands up and says “not our job”
We *should not* give space to these anti-social opinions, they are societally dangerous. That’s why I left Twitter to come to Bluesky. To find out you want to backtrack your stance on moderation is so disheartening, and is a pretty solid argument that your tech should not be widely adopted.
1/ not only that the moderation is 'best effort', I am a dev, gone through the code you DONT get to see, not even dev using their tools... and trust me, you don't want to know what goes on behind the real code... for one whether touch or mouse, they track EVERYTHING you do...
2/ i.e. move your mouse, they will know, scrolling, clicking, et al, that's spying/invasion of privacy. Correct, more than you think, their tech should NOT be adopted, the way their architecture works makes them WAY more dangerous than twitter, twitter is bad AF, THIS is FAR worse if they persist
So here's the problem right: Self moderation is good. Great. Block and move on works wonders for cunts. BUT Even if you block them, the account still exists and has a platform and has an audience. As a site, you can not allow bad actors to have the ability to grow. Do your fucking job.
also he has repeatedly gone around blocks to direct harassment.
they obviously don't care about self-moderation considering how many people they've banned who still remain banned #freefictionalfelonies
Maybe your head of safety should spend a little less time jerking off on the job
tl;dr yall "we are fully aware the app just became a place for pedophiles with hate boners for transes and we like that" i'm done with your app because of this
fucking dogshit cowards lmao ban him or no balls
Seems like a long way to say you're not that interested in protecting people from harassment. I thought the intention was for this place to be better than Twitter.
Hell, if a small account like mine can get over 30 likes on this comment it seems pretty obvious that your users are pissed at your lack of care. Don't you need users to remain a viable platform?
You need to ban Jesse Singal
yeah they absolutely need to just ban that dude, seems an easy choice to make
i’m sure it was very difficult to sit up and write this without a spine
This is the absolute wrong decision and you know it. If not, you're going to find out *quickly*. You still have time to do the right thing and protect the marginalized people that BUILT THIS PLACE and made it something other than a crypto cesspool.
the company/its leadership are the only ones with the ability to ban Jesse Signal. the company/its leadership are reserving that right for themselves. why are you praising our control of our online spaces while flaunting the power you won't grant the community?
like if you're gonna be libertarians, be fucking libertarians
u should ban that pedophile
I agree, Aaron should be fired
hey you can't smear Aaron Rodericks as a pedophile just because he defends and supports a pedophile. Aaron Rodericks sexual attraction to children can't be truly known just because in the course of performing trust and safety functions of a website, Aaron Rodericks allows pedophiles on the platform.
please allow him some agency- he is in the same pro pedo org and as fierce and effective an advocate for raping children as his friend
Please, please! Stop these baseless accusations that Aaron Rodericks is somehow associating with pedophiles on the app that he manages the trust and safety of, and which Aaron Rodericks is now allowing the same pedophiles to associate off site while Aaron Rodericks protects their accounts.
I never claimed that. I said he is the pedos
You can't say that! What if someone put Aaron Rodericks name near the term pedophile to associate his name with pedophilia, without cause? Aaron Rodericks, who is definitely not a pedophile would be upset if his name (Aaron Rodericks) started showing up with the term pedophile! That would be bad!
If your ToS in any way allows a few people to serial harass other people you're doing it wrong. Potential for enormous bad will here.
I kind of just think it's odd that your head of "trust and safety" is getting mad for people pointing out he's liking stolen porn of the "barely legal" categor, and concerning that he has no sense to know that the bots scraping and reposting that stuff are vectors for phishing and scamming.
But don't get me wrong... definitely judging your team lead for banning the person who made the bot simply because they were embarassed about gooning to adult videos with the 'teen' hashtag. Probably shouldn't have someone who likes that kind of content in charge of safety policies.
This is one of the most cowardly displays I’ve seen from “leadership” in my life. Y’all can’t keep shirking your responsibility to protect users from harassment forever. You’d rather rewrite rules to protect a weasel like Singal than enforce perfectly justifiable rules on the books. It’s obvious.
How about you dweebs support the trans community on here that helped build the foundation of bluesky’s user base? Or stay being hoe ass bootlickers 🤷♂️
I have absolutely no clue what happened here. But one of my followers blocked me for asking him about the "pedophilia" label he espoused and for asking what happened? When I actually agreed with that on it's own harassment and abuse should get him banned. But even asking that he blocked me. 0.0
He has spent a lot of time in the past defending a pro-pedo org, as well as the presence of 13 year old in their chat rooms. To my knowledge there are no accusations about him, people just find it dodgy af. Detailed summary here: rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jesse_S...
The thing is people keep saying he's a pedophile, pedophile, pedophile and when I ask what did he do that was pedophilic their respond was "he's just a transphobic asshole" and then I asked "well why not just call him out for his transphobia instead of calling him a pedo?" then they block me. o.O
Ok well I answered your question
Nah fair I just wonder why some people were being so unreasonable when I was just trying to figure out wtf was going on here 0.0
"off app discourse does not affect bans" my arse @aaron.bsky.team @jay.bsky.team rich coming from the guy that unbanned jesse due to off-app discourse. or worse, due to a conflict of interest (being parasocially friends with jesse). if it was fear of litigation you'd have said so. ergo, bigotry.
ALSO @jay.bsky.team @aaron.bsky.team THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS IN YOUR GUIDELINES FOR "If your report relies on or relates to conduct that happened outside of Bluesky, please provide links" ... "so our moderation team can take these factors into consideration." EXPLICITLY MAKING EXCEPTIONS? LOL.
Awww sorry babe, mods can’t help you with your spilled juice this time. Maybe cope and seethe more about it 😂
aaron out here ignoring thousands of legitimate reports of in app tos breakage by js because he thinks js deserves privelages nobody else gets again, @jay.bsky.team your head of safety is not doing his fucking job and if yall are scared of jesse suing you you should know we could do a class action
And then harmless anime artists and trans women got mass banned not too long ago. It took way too long for a lot of them to get unbanned and a lot of them are still not unbanned. And did they ever apologise? Nahh they sent threatening e-mails to the people affected.
Hey, this fucking sucks.
We're not asking you to empower us, we're asking you to recognize that a known predator is attempting to use your infrastructure and act accordingly. Bluesky is now self-hostable, let him figure it out on his own time, not on your dime.
you're shooting yourselves in the foot here
But what happens when users use bad faith to circumvent that control, and instigate pile-ons? What then?
do you actually read the countless replies from people who are not happy about this and will increasingly feel unhappy/unsafe on your platform or
Try again
Well I guess if you say this but doing nothing on Jesse Singal its time to find another social media for me to call home.
It is more like they need to do something FOR Jesse Signal due to all the hate and threats that are pouring onto him. Kind folks indeed 😬
oh no who will think of the harassing pedophile apologist as he breaks tos over and over to get more trans folk harassed
I think you might want to read what he actually writes rather than relying on hearsay.
I’ve had the displeasure of reading his writing for years and it makes two things clear: 1. He’s a transphobic piece of shit 2. He’s not a good writer
Shut the fuck up Jessica
We do. He sucks shit
someone with "I stand with J K Rowling" in bio defending Jesse Singal, well who could have guessed
It’s weird when people publicly declare themselves to be walking dogshit but anti-trans people do it all the time
Just seen that 🤢 Awful person.
Just because you're a degenerate science-denying misogynistic pervert who simps for another degenerate science-denying misogynistic pervert doesn't mean us normal people are obligated to go along with your degenerate science-denying misogynistic perversion.
this is a poor decision that puts people at risk, damages bsky's reputation and userbase, and frankly just doesn't seem to be interested in evidence of how brigading and harassment has proliferated on past social media platforms (incl this one!!)
This doesn't appear to be true at all. You just wrote a whole thread about how this isn't true at all.
Moderation decisions typically draw scrutiny when they are crafted out of a sense of protecting exactly one person that for whatever reason your head of security really likes for no reason.
[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER NOISE]
I love the ratio on this
i'm cooking them so hard
Bluesky needs to decide (and quickly) if it is going to be just another social media cuck to Libertarian tech bros or it’s going to truly be a community that takes the safety of its members seriously. If the latter, then listen to your members and act on their concerns. Like, now.
Bluesky needs to decide if it wants to steal X's social network or become an echo chamber. I hope they steal twitter's network but banning accounts with lots of followers before they even do anything here won't do that. If you want a small network of only trans activists look into mastodon servers.
no, i want a social media network that doesnt roll out the red carpet for known transphobic bigots with a habit of harassing trans people I’m not a “trans activist” for wanting that
we want nothing more than to be able to go back to shit posting everybody hates this
So it's a binary? Either it's a Nazi bar, or it's only trans activists?? No middle ground where, say, we toss the Nazis out and talk about more than just trans activism?
Nazi is too strong. The reason the right chose to make trans their big propaganda effort is because they lost on LGB and Q, we won that culture war decisively. So they shifted to T as the next most divisive issue. To divide us and distract us from their real goals. We don't have to play their game.
their goal is to kill people like my dipshit
their goal is genocide
Change your name, dipshit
dont split trans people off from the rest of the queer community. They are not done attacking other queer people. They’re using us as a wedge to attack *all* queer people
The user your talking about has openly stated his only reason for coming here is to spread hate and harass trans users. I don’t think that’s “doing nothing”
I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls here but fuck it I'll bite The continuation of gay rights in the United States is not guaranteed, conservatives are already gearing up to kill Obergefell. Don't fool yourself into thinking we can save ourselves by throwing trans people under the bus.
Mastodon.
Unfortunately the moderation tools on Mastodon (and most Fediverse projects, seems like) are… not good. It's been a pretty frequent gripe by mods and instance admins for the couple of years I've been around
Thank you for the info! (Everyone, buy envelopes and stamps.)
Penpals making a comeback in 2025
Sorry to say, but I'm pretty sure they just did make that decision.
Hoping that they might walk it back but I agree that a lot of damage has been done.
I'm sure they'll make some followup attempt at recovering some good will, but once audience trust is lost you can't recover it very easily. And I don't think whatever they try will be much more than a "more sensitive wording" for the same decision.
They're not interested in preserving their relationship with the queer audience they've amassed anymore, and any future olive branches will just be to provide plausible deniability so the rest of their audience can tell themselves we were overreacting.
Right now they are surviving on lack of a better alternative. Pretty risky if, as I understand it, all their code is open source.
Yup. I agree.
Not just that it's open source. They've built bluesky in such a way that someone can basically just take the infrastructure it's built on and make another app with ease. It's like they WANT to be outclassed.
I really need to find time to read up on all of that
they've already decided. the devs ARE libertarian techbros, so its not surprising they've sided with one of their own.
they just did
Cool for them to spell out exactly what behavior shitheads can engage in and not be banned. Everyone knows that bad actors love not toeing lines to piss people off like a digital "I'm not touching you, I'm not technically harassing you in the app."
Oh we're COMPLETELY failing out here huh
"we are so back" levels are at all time lows. "it's so over" levels are off the charts.
I’m getting word we may even be approaching Joever criticality.
And to think I finally got that doomer stink off of me
Jesus fucking Christ I’m bringing the big magnet
How did they think this would help or make things better jfc
What even is this? 💀
I like this one youtu.be/7XMW6Z_Oq38?...
sounds kind of like farting, which is ideal for this situation.
Wow, the determination to not learn from any of the mistakes for their predecessors is quite something.
Woof, adding this response to my collection of terrible ways corporations have responded to criticism. This isn't BP's "I just want my life back" after the Gulf Oil spill level of bad... But it's in the same ballpark
@helldude.bsky.social somehow katie missed the “bzzt wrongo” memo
the what
shameful
embarrassing
So many words to say “it doesn’t matter what our guidelines are… we will torture out any reason to excuse bad actors”
hbomberguy dropping his entire body on a giant red button
Bsky pulling a fetterman
It took them over a week to come up with this??
I COULD'VE SHIT THIS OUT IN MY SLEEP
this was made with ai
Amazing you've been mentioned in two blocked and reported podcast episodes
oh no, the transphobic pedophile defender is talking about me. anyways
i said that yeah
thank you for your contribution Hudson, great work keep it up 👍
How the fuck did you get in? *looks at T&S* Oh. Yeah. That. @safety.bsky.app have you considered for an instant protecting us from terrorists. Please. Today would be awesome.
Nice, you learned how the screenshot function works! Next step is alt text and you’re good!
why are you shitting in your sleep katie do we need to talk to you about incontinence
i have a problem
I mean we knew that already
You would've done better than this.
very easily. fucking anyone could
You might wanna get that checked out. Shitting in your sleep isn’t normal. Especially as an adult.
yeah i've been on the phone with my doctor a lot lately. i actually just got a phone call from your doctor too who said that you have the lowest vitality out of any patient he's ever seen. seems pretty serious. take care of yourself
I doubt this is true.
you know what? you got me. you figured it out. you deciphered my ruse. i cannot physically shit out a post thread while i am asleep. well played my friend you are a crafty devil
Thank you! 🥰
They really showed you, Katie!
all hail the editor!
How much VC money did it cost to pay these people to sit around with their thumbs up their asses for two weeks?
that burn rate is cooking
let's face it, it's bsky, there's like a hundred percent chance a LLM wrote most of this
Mind live streaming that? It would be good publicity for a new social media site.
yeah sure thing
WE CAN'T BAN THE BAD ACTOR BECAUSE HE'S DOING HIS HARRASMENT BY PROXY AND DIRECTING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE SITE
I'm currently on the toilet, and the contents floating in it look better than this.
And that's why bzky is better than bsky!
Katie can I have an invite code for bzky or how does that all work
when i make bzky you're all invited
I'm ready to fucking leave this place the second there's an exodus to somewhere that doesn't clearly hate marginalized people. At least Twitter still has the ability to go private. This garbage site doesn't even offer that. It's just an attack site now.
It took them a week of privately contorting themselves into pretzels looking for a "nice" way of basically saying "we love abusers like Singal and agree with everything they do, we hate every marginalized group that got us where we are and hope to kill our own product ASAP."
They could have just posted one of those I have no idea what I'm doing instead of corporate speak.
DEATH TO BLUESKY
How much longer are you gonna let people play the refs (you guys)
You don’t understand moderation at all.
They don't want to do it because that would require doing work beyond code monkey shit.
It's not "Let your pedophile friends run rampant and threaten, harass, berate, & dox the trans community"? Huh, today @aaron.bsky.team should've learned.
Sounds like @aaron.bsky.team is okay with pedophilia and allows pedophiles on his platform and maybe this should be given "scrutiny" or even investigated. I think Congress would like to know why he is allowing a known criminal to harass others on his platform.
Oh yes, Congress needs to get onto this immediately
The only possible answer is he agrees with them.
I don't think it's the *only* possible answer, but it is the simplest explanation
I was just consulting Occam's Razor as a divination tool.
Pretty firm logic, imo
Between his refusal to deal with Singal plus how he tried to fck over @queen-of-the.pelf.ie this last few days, it makes me wonder if he ought to be investigated for (other) signs of anti-trans behavior 🤔 Just saying...
I know nothing about the queen business, but something is definitely rotten in the State of Denmark
Juni was banned, then lifted, then suspended, then lifted :/
at what point does “doing your job” not constitute removing entities which are a net negative benefit of this websites growth? this isn’t a discussion or due to a lack of tools. you have proof of a specific member causing issues and will continue in the future. i need you to fucking try for us
lmao ok
Idk if your investors are pushing you to take this inaction, but if so you need to return their money, make a statement admitting your mistake and apologizing, and ban Singal. Do not enable grifters acting in bad faith! Your users not wanting that is the whole reason they're here!
I saw so much enthusiasm about supporting paid subs by so many people here, and now that is evaporating. Don't squander your good will by dying on such a ridiculous hill! Enforce the ToS you already have, take a stand against bigots and ban the damn transphobe already! FFS
I went from "holy shit yeah I might actually pay for a social media app" to "oh nevermind" within 24 hours.
They're allowing the shit that killed Twitter right when major brands are joining their platform. It's like smoking immediately after a lung transplant. lol Tech bros can't help but fumble easy shit like this. It's predictable as hell by now.
I swear, Tech Bros are the stupidest people imaginable…
Congrats on deciding not to learn from best practices and to allow bad actors onto the platform.
Quell surprise - a he/him chiding the platform for not being more draconian in deplatforming those with views that he/him disagrees with..
Rank cowardice.
You guys are bunch of cowards.
I *just* started paying attention to Bluesky, and finding interesting people both known and previously unknown to me, and now a bunch of them are leaving. And this response is one of the things that makes me completely understand why.
booooooooo
oh being heavy handed on trans people was "necessary" but getting rid of one "pedophilia is a sexual orientation" singal is too far when 20 thousand people sign a petition to tell you they want him gone? how much are shareholders paying for this hypocrisy?
That's a very polite way of saying people who complain instead of blocking need to own it. I'm having a good experience here and appreciate that you are fine-tuning universal rules instead of targeting individuals like X does.
From someone who’s been here since the days of invites, this sucks and is cowardly. You’re screwing over an entire community that makes this place great for one asshole who only wants to come here and cause trouble.
Agreed. Been here since invites too and if this is just gonna become Twitter 2.0 what's even the point?
It should never have stopped being invite only. That would at least have slowed the tide of shitty troll assholes.
So what you're telling us is that you don't understand why people came here from Twitter and just want to make Bluesky into a toxic soup. You folks are cowards and support transphobia through inaction.
You need to get this hate-speech under controln or you'll soon have a "Nazi Bar"
control, sigh. really? we still can't have a edit function?
You know if the person in question has become the most blocked and reported person in the past 24 hours, then you should probably ban them.
Such an absurd take
Or...there's an organized cancel effort by the mob. You know it's a reflex by now
it's endearing how its easier for you people to envision an organized witch hunt than it is for you to imagine that this person is just genuinely not likable in the slightest. then again im expecting you to use critical thinking and logical reasoning
Idk who you're talking about, but not being likeable shouldn't be a bannable offense
it's about a guy who's actively supporting kiwifarms and its community and is attempting to get those people to be allowed here.
kiwifarms is a website that's been infamous for about the last decade and a half for being a breeding ground for bigoted and discriminatory users and behavior- multiple people have been doxxed and targeted on and from that website.
I know what kiwifarms is, I used to lurk there and read some threads for laughs many years ago. They used to have a non-interaction policy with the subjects of the threads, which should lead to users being shamed or banned for actually engaging in harassment. Did something change those years?
No. It's still in place like always. And is still enforced.
How did you somehow become *more* naïve since then?
Non interaction + no action = complicit in the problem
like i dont know how you people are not connecting this, the lack of critical thinking is bewildering. the literal tagline of the site is "Community dedicated to discussing eccentric people who voluntarily make fools of themselves. Explore abnormal psychology and the minds of Internet crazies."
im genuinely sorry if you think that that just suddenly stops harassment from happening- i don't know what you have or havent gone through that makes you think "*I* havent seen it, so it must not be happening!" but you can literally just look this up
Not being likeable? 🤣 Speaking of using logic and having smarts, start here: "not being likable" doesn't violate ToS.
You should be glad of that.
Not as glad as you, sweetie.
Even he is”genuinely not likable” that is no reason to evict him from a public platform. We should all welcome Bluesky’s commitment to clarify ToS and posting rules
like, i don't blame you if you don't know what kiwifarms is, it's not something that normal people would have regular contact with. it is literally a website centered around harassing people online. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Fa...
I’ve never heard of it. Is it posting on Bluesky?
Liar.
🙄
i already told you- he is inviting its community to bluesky for the purpose of harassing people on it. that is the entire point of the website. read the article if youre interested, i have literally anything better to do than explain kiwifarms to you, again
i've said this multiple times already, maybe i'll add it to the original comment; he is inviting a community known for bigoted and discriminatory online harassment and is responsible for doxxing several people.
ok people clearly are reading "not likable" and not thinking anything past what they read. i shouldnt be surprised, this is the internet after all. here; since you people need your hands held to use a search engine, apparently en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Fa...
"the LEFTISTS must be ORGANIZING these ONLINE CANCELLINGS on their SECRET WEBSITE!!!" are you physically capable of hearing yourself
You haven't seen the petitions? I'm on here 15 minutes a day and I've seen them Check out Lizzo signing and then saying "who is this guy?"
Soooooo... Are all petitions "an organized cancel effort by the mob"?
the petitions to stop lethal injections are an organized effort to cancel Big Death Penalty
kiwifarms is a website specifically designed around harassing people online. people have gotten doxxed on that website. supporting it and attempting to bring its community here is absolutely grounds for TOS violation. do you live in a rock
yeah, it's because he has connections to kiwifarms which has been infamous for decades for being a breeding ground for bigotry and discriminatory behavior. like the fact that you immediately think people have some personal problem against him is telling enough of how little you can think
Pfft. Anyone who's spent ten minutes in online leftist circles would realize we couldn't organize a pizza order.
false. cheese and pep with stuff crust. if you dont like it ill force you to peer into the infinite
Why? If somebody has done broken no rules, but lots of people want to punish them anyway, that's a reason to protect them. Punishing Jews for things an angry crowd thinks they have done does not have great historical precedents.
But he has broken rules. He’s blatantly violated ToS. And comparing an anti-trans activist who ironically disseminates disinformation in support of an ideology which has its origins in Nazism to Jews is extremely pernicious.
He hasn't broken any rules on Bluesky. That's the point. I'm not comparing Jesse Singal to Jews. I'm saying he's Jewish. And that gives me that extra little reason to think he shouldn't be punished just because an angry crowd accused him of being bad. Wouldn't that be a good principle to follow?
But the point is, he has. I can send you links to show you the ways that he’s violated TOS. The problem is, most anti-trans activists do not care that he has. Certainly, however it’s fairly clear that people are objecting to his presence here because of his anti-trans bigotry & TOS violations 1/2
Just state the rule and tell me where he broke it.
no do your own research
I did. Hence my question.
2/2 not his ethnicity. Believe me, as someone in a relationship with a Jewish person who spends half their time on here trying to report antisemites to Bluesky mods, I would not be okay with harassment against him if it was based on his Jewish heritage. His bigotry is the issue.
I didn't say those attacking him are motivated by antisemitism. I'm saying "this angry crowd is angry at this Jew" is not a good reason to punish him. Whether the current angry crowd is antisemitic or not, is irrelevant to the question of what the consequences of following such a principle would be
I mean, that is a fair reason to be skeptical these days, so I don’t disagree with you. However we have good reason to not like Singal. He has a long and sordid history of horribly unethical behaviour. The idea of not punishing bad behaviour cos the perpetrator is a member of a marginalized 1/2
This is exactly right. What a huge disappointment from @safety.bsky.app. If someone is getting blocked and reported that much, it should be taken way more seriously than this.
You're forgetting the lesson of the nazi bar.
Damn straight.
To be fair, I think they're remembering the lesson of the nazi bar and making an informed CHOICE of what they want this place to be.
The far more likely explanation is that they're burying their heads in the sand
Time to get some shovels and dig their fucking heads out then.
you can do better than this.
The correct response to criticism from bad actors is "fuck em" not hand-wringing
Also, just ban the jerk already. This is a really easy solution!
The fascists and reactionaries, like Jizzy Signal are stretchingbtheir legs and exploring the boundaries of the room. Jizzy, in particular, is goading you to do something about him and you are deferring to him. This is embarrassing.
what LLM did you feed this through
You did all this shit just for your golden nazi to abandon you anyway, this is absolutely what you deserve
Bullshit decision
Pretty fucking shitty. I guess the mask is off.
This is such a terrible response. Remove Singal for violating your TOS. It’s so simple.
You know what we do on the Discord server I co-administrate comes across someone who’s been consistently a problem on other sites/servers? We either ban them or preemptively disinvite them from the server. It’s not that hard. We have to protect the people who depend on us to moderate.
And so far? I think we do a pretty solid job of keeping people feeling safe. Granted, the server *is* invite only to begin with.
That *does* also do a lot. Even so, care goes a long way to keeping a clean and safe home.
"Communities to control their online spaces" That's what reporting is SUPPOSED TO DO. "independent of the company" 🤦 - Ok. It has been shown he's dodging blocks. Please explain: How are we supposed to control our spaces when your controls DO NOT WORK!?
"We will take action when someone's private information is shared without their consent" You mean like things they shared, that somehow got to the people they'd blocked? Or do you mean Doxxed? You do realize that at that point, it's already too late. It's no longer just T&S when Legal is involved.
In other words, you're making ways for you to Matt "Carhammer" Mullenweg anyone who complains about your rich racist/'phobic friends. Sucks for marginalized folks who only have "regular people" money. I don't know why I thought this site would do better. They never do.
Useless cowards.
So you're doing nothing and writing a huge nonsense paragraph about it. Eat shit you fucking cowards
do your job
Yeah, who knew allowing pedophile apologists on your platform would draw ire? And, honestly, we shouldn't have said anything about the Nazis you don't ban either. Y'all are going through a rough time.
More clown shit
I’m gonna go print out this thread and sorry excuse for a bullshit statement and use it for toilet paper to wipe my ass the next time I take a shit
This is the wrong choice and you cannot tolerate the people whose express goal is to make this space intolerable for the kinds of people they hate. That isn't neutrality. That's choosing to empower the hate.
How much evidence do you need? Lord.
Ban Jesse Singal
BZZZT WRONGO
If you’re just gonna be twitter 2.0 then you’re gonna lose everyone’s good faith and tank your service just like they did. This service exploded in popularity precisely because it isn’t that festering pit. But if this is the policy then 👋
Ban Jesse Singal already!
Just do your job, and ban Jesse Singal. He openly admits he wants to disrupt this place, and he’s a transphobic pedophile. By giving people like him special treatment, you’re no better than Elon Musk!
Can’t ban someone for “being transphobic.” Can’t share a single post of him attacking anyone.
May I suggest the rules should be revised to allow action in one specific circumstance: "Is this person trying to cause harm?" If so, boot 'em. Protect your users from people a single, commonsense glance can see are only really here to be - pardon my French - douches.
Right now, Bluesky is a very important piece of the "Freedom of Speech" puzzle. People left Twitter because they were constantly attacked and algorithmically-downgraded to forcibly silence them. It's not free speech if only one guy gets to talk. By providing an alternate platform, Bluesky...
...gives minorities a way to make themselves heard. They don't need on-site opposition for that, because the loudest, more aggressive party always drowns out the softer voices that are nonetheless valid. Loud, aggressive people have Twitter. Those who just want to talk, share parts of themselves..
instead of fighting - they only have you. Protect your platform as an outlet for softer, kinder, shyer voices, as a place where the vulnerable can speak safely, and allow human judgement to be the decider of whether someone is or isn't encouraging that.
Rude! Douches have a purpose....
"Is this person trying to cause harm?" Intention to cause harm is pretty damn difficult to prove, unless they say they intend to cause harm. It could be done on balance of probability, but then still extremely tricky.
People have been hesitant to say transphobia causes harm. They have been treating it as a political position. Companies need to explicitly state that someone's existence is not politics.
Bad job team!
Keep this community safe. Ban transphobes!
Concepts of a plan, got it. 🖕🏻
Nope. Not Good enough. Go back and try again.
The ONLY "public scrutiny" you need to worry about is your core users outrage at the platform THEY made popular being co-opted by scumbags working the refs.
lmao
Just keep blowing Jesse Singal's tiny pud, champ.
That's a lot of words to say get fucked, trannies.
There is a reason my time on here has dropped precipitously for months. Clearly management did not start this place with the goal of providing a safe space for anyone, let alone persecuted minorities. We tried to make it that to management's growing dismay. Now they are thrilled to have Singal here.
Nobody will miss Single! You can just ban him! Then everyone else will stop attacking you! It's so easy!
muting this
Software architecture isn't sufficient -- your users aren't software engineers. You have our account information, you're facilitating communication, you are indeed accountable for a baseline level of safety.
Correct, but then again, if you review the code (the so-called open-source code-- since the poison is not public) it is laughably clear in terms of what you said... correct, but as you know safety and trust is basically void... but hey, they need to please users to keep users. Great mention
you could literally ban one (1) major account that's actually breaking your guidelines repeatedly and for some reason aaron is a big enough fan of his you want to keep him what is wrong with you aaron, come the fuck on. step down, give this role to someone who wants to actually work as a mod
This. There's a MASSIVE loud voice from those that see this person as a threat and has been evading blocks but you continually allow this person to violate and exist on your platform without doing anything about it. Get his ass outta here.
You all suck at your jobs and should quit
he's targetting individual people on the site now and you're doing nothing. if nothing changes over the weekend I'll be on mastodon
Weird to suddenly require in-app behavior (while also writing a loophole for such in-app behaviors) while you rightly banned LoTT based on reputation alone right away. Like the team clearly understands when letting a known bad actor on the platform will do no good, and yet-.
Like y'all know the story about kicking the "polite ones" out to stop your bar from becoming a nazi bar, right??
I guess they are just cowards sometimes. I can't even describe other way.
And Jesse isn't even a polite one. He already has a swastika on his forehead and pissed at the front door
hell they didnt even bann the people who attempted to harrass and dox me(they failed at it) on site
They also banned one of my friends who was also getting harrass by the same people using the same tactics.
oh boo hoo, do we seriously have to force you guys to get off your ass and do your job AGAIN?
Apparently we need to do just that. Perhaps we should hit major publications with emails like "Bluesky alloes known pedophile to stay on their site" or, "Bluesky allows Kiwifarms-style harassment of its users".
If you let this go, there will be far more like him and worse, and you will have nothing to blame but your own cowardice. We watched Twitter bend over backwards to accommodate the worst people and look what it got them. Grow a goddamned spine
I keep seeing people crying about Nazis... Like, Wtf is everyone talking about? All I've seen on here are fairly progressive lefties and a couple right wingers... Someone show me a Nazi, like a legit Nazi... Or are we just calling all conservatives Nazis? Dumb opinions does not a Nazi make.
Nazi is being used figuratively in this case to reference the "Nazi Bar" concept. Short version is the bartender kicks out nazis on sight even if they are being polite. Because if they stay, next time they bring a friend, then they bring friends and before you know it you have a nazi bar.
The original story is about nazis but in this case you could substitute transphobe, pedophile, etc. Because an owner ideally doesn't want to run a pedophile bar or a transphobe bar either. And the bar patrons/site users don't want to hang out at a pedo or transphobe place.
I have convinced 10 or 15 people to join bluesky by talking to them about how it was like twitter, but not toxic, and actually pleasant to spend time on. I won't be doing that anymore. The lack of toxicity is the key and perhaps only selling point of this platform.
you had a good run bestie
@bsky.app @safety.bsky.app @support.bsky.team @moderation.bsky.app Sooooo, are you expecting us to not pester you anymore about Singal? Cuz that's not gonna fucking happen. Trans people BUILT YOUR PLATFORM, kept it going until it recently boomed. But it seems if a Monster like Singal(1/?)
has enough money, they can come on Bluesky and abuse THE USERS WHO WERE HERE FROM THE START. Pester them using their fanbase to lob DEATH THREATS at the Trans people who KEPT BLUESKY AFLOAT. And you do nothing. The gall of you and the rest of the people running this app is revolting (2/?)
I came here to get away from the Neo-Nazis, Transphobes and serial harassers, like Singal. You wrote a check that you now refuse to cash, and all because someone has money and engagement to give you. R-E-V-O-L-T-I-N-G You owe the Trans community a vast debt. Time to pay up. BAN SINGAL (3/3)
I genuinely have absolutely no idea what happened here but one of my followers blocked me for asking him about the "pedophilia" label he espoused and asking what happened? When I actually agreed with that on it's own harassment and all that should get him banned. But even asking that he blocked me.
Singal has written a handful of articles with a sympathetic bend towards pedophilia. This leads most people to assume he's a pedo, cuz why else would he defend them. As for the rest, Singal is a well known Transphobe and serial harasser of minorities online.
I read an alternate theory where he's trying to get pedophilia recognized as a sexual orientation in order to justify the existence of "bad" sexualities.
Ah, its you! I mean, both can be true at the same time. He might be a Pedo that gets that Pedos won't ever be accepted and is trying to drag those of us in the LGBTQ+ community down with his creep ass out of spite.
It's me? I guess it is. Wherever I go, there I am. Anyway, you could be right about him.
I'm taking this meme
That's a really funny way of saying "hey all you who were interested in a paid solution and who built up this platform, yeah, fuck you, Aaron and pedo apologist Singal are [allegedly] pals." Have you not noticed the volume of high profile accounts who called on you to act too?
Are you really pivoting towards a guy championing folks who circulated preteen photos to rate attractiveness against every goddamn champion you had on this site? Is that what you're burning all these bridges for? Seriously @jay.bsky.team ???
This platform was attractive as being NOT Twitter's defence of notable stochastic terrorists. And here you are, allowing very specific stochastic terrorists through, coincidentally from alleged prior relationships of the T&S head with said stochast. So, cool, we were all fucking rooting you you.
Fuck you @jay.bsky.team , @aaron.bsky.team and may this whole fucking site burn like all the other Nazi bars. Know that we won't let your fucking names go untarnished in all this, cowards. I'll definitely be looking at my options to stay in touch with ppl who aren't pedo defending transphobes.
Sad to see, I genuinely liked @mmasnick.bsky.social 's reporting and was happy to see him sitting on the board, giving me hope we wouldn't see a repeat of Twitter here. What an immense and crushing disappointment, at the moment where we have so many already. Of all the ppl to torch reputation on
Welcome to Bluesky. The new favoured place for Kiwifarms flavoured stochastic terrorism
I'm reading that it doesn't matter how much a person makes this place suck, we can just subscribe to a blocklist. If clear lines aren't drawn and the worst people feel invited, you only created a space for the worst people. Please just do better.
Personally I think this is a pretty good starting point strategically.
You're literally burning money over this transphobe lmfaoo
"Moderation decisions draw intense public scrutiny from many places." Im so glad they would rather placate off site bigots than their user base 🙄
its weird how comfortable you are that you will allow people on your platform specifically so they can brigade us. why should i use your platform then? its just twitter all over again?
It’s so cool how if you’re a rich enough white pedophile with hateful views every company will bend the knee and suck you off for free
Wow Jesse Signal is a pedophile?
Yes he’s written dozens of articles about how pedophilia “isn’t different than a sexual orientation” and how everyone is way too hard on it
Hating trans people is really this important to you guys huh
Hey who’s ready for this to turn into Twitter 2? You have no care for vulnerable people, might as well just tell us to go fuck ourselves. Fuck you.
I mean, if we didn't take over this place was meant to be pre-musk Twitter but way worse
*QI Klaxon sound*
the best you could come up with was "lol not our problem"? speedrunning the fall of twitter, i guess.
How is this for some communication? Do your fucking job
peepee and poopoo
You are emulating Twitter and the same thing that happened to Twitter will happen to you.
All while they haven't even built up the userbase to coast on
Enshittification speedrun.
enjoy the last few months of this app having a meaningful non-asshole userbase, I guess
"moderation decisions draw intense scrutiny" blink twice if he has direct blackmail over all of you
Or they agree with his beliefs.
thats a whole word salad just to explain that you wont ban the pedophile apologist and transphobe that disguises his hateful ideas as journalism. you guys are dissappointing, i had hopes this wouldnt become another online cesspool but it seems my hope was wrong.
So what does this trans troll have on you all that gives them the right to get away with what they are doing? Like bloody hell.
So what I'm hearing is that you don't care about Jesse Singal violating TOS. Dope.
they're claiming he didn't violate TOS, because ? magically? everything he's done was off platform.. and apparently they can't see block-evasions.
bsky.social/about/suppor... 1.D. clearly cares if guidlines are violated *offline* (which means off app) and is about pedos... and *also* states "Do not support or normalize pedophilia or the sexual exploitation of minors." So, why. the. fuck. is Singal allowed on here?
You are making the mistake of assuming the words they wrote mean the things they actually mean. They're actually there in the spirit of Whose Line is it Anyway: everything's made up and the rules don't matter.
Well, I do tell my kiddo that all rules are subjective.. and that this belief is quintessentially American
Rules for thee but not for me is the founding principle of this shithole
Unfortunately — tho, I am convinced of the importance of prosocial behavior, so I also emphasize that too
Ban Jesse Singal.
Craig Brittain too.
Who is Jesse Singal and why should he be banned?
known serial harasser, leaked medical information of a minor, transphobe, has stated his goal in being here is to collect screenshots of trans people to direct his following to as harassment targets (which he has done), weirdly defensive of pedophiles. a bad faith actor.
Oh. Thanks for the info. I don't follow trans issues much and had no idea.
also Jesse singal is a pedophile that promotes child rape and ran a discord server putting pedophile and children together 2 be taken advantage of.
Here He is protecting Kenneth Zucker Sexual abuse of children and Jeese Singal the pedophile Defending his action of sexually abusing children. www.thecut.com/2016/01/fals...
you aren't obligated to be fair to everyone. if someone is being shitty you can just ban them from your website
"we will continue to learn (how to make this site even less welcoming for marginalized groups and more welcoming to bigots and abusers) and adjust (the community's expectations downwards)"
Why bother soliciting feedback from the community, just ask Jesse Singal directly
"we're working on a watered down version which will empower fascists."
What a joke, people spoke and you did not listen to them at all just because you don’t want to ban someone you should have the moment they started shit
Reposting with a screenshot instead of a repost is frequently used for coordinated harassment or other forms of online bullying, and should be banned. However, unless it is clearly malicious it should be a simple post deletion and a notification of said rule.
Note, I found this comment regarding photo-based reposts. This is why it should be soft-banned in the manner I suggested:
pretty clear that you aren’t open to feedback.
Why are you allowing your users to be scammed out of money by the thousands of fake Gaza accounts? Moderation has done nothing about them. I would love to know how much has been given to these scammers. Mind Blowing.
You really shouldn’t be rewriting community guidelines just to accommodate one guy, in general.
You're getting the same feedback right now that you've been getting for almost two weeks and this thread of yours is saying you're ignoring all of it. I'm sorry, unless you do better, this looks like an obvious lie. You're tanking your reputation after so much success to protect one bigot. Why?
As you work on these, I *strongly* recommend that you include an explicit prohibition on off-platform harassment. I wrote a bit about it, but as one example, see what Twitch has done with their "Off-Service Conduct" policy.
oh, they will, but only for people that aren't cis het white and well off, if you are that then you are very well allowed to harass and promote hate. That is pretty much their new guidelines.
(my thread with a bit more commentary here: bsky.app/profile/andr...)
A change.org petition to take a step toward keeping Bluesky safe for normal people by banning Jesse Singal: www.change.org/p/bluesky-mu...
Seems like you got a lot of feedback, @safety.bsky.app Most of it telling you that Jesse Singal is a danger to this platform. But you seem to not care about *that* feedback.
vaporware
This doesn’t really appply to your post. However, it is a question I’ve had for some time regarding the availability of this platform on other systems. Is Bluesky available as an app for Microsoft OS based systems? If not, is there a plan to enact one & when?
“We’re rewriting our Community Guidelines expressly to retroactively allow Jesse Singal’s behavior”
Oh no, he was right… (obviously he was saying this for different reasons, but it does look like it’s turning out to be true.) Jack Dorsey claimed that Bluesky was “literally repeating all the mistakes” he made while running Twitter.
Dunno where to leave this but I just wanted to say that if you guys are responsible for banning Britney and Donk, GREAT JOB!! And DON'T LET THEM BACK no matter how many signatures their "supporters" gather, they're the WORST follow farmers and deserve to be banned. I and a LOT of others support you!
Zogozo just thinks you like the taste of the gunk in the scumbag's butthole.
I was just discussing with my father how disgusting it is that it’s never the attacker’s fault. The prey has to change their behavior to not be targeted by the predator. But the predator isnt reprimanded for having no self control or having actively hostile behaviors. Spineless attitude.
piss up a rope you're bad at your job and no one respects you.
bro do your jobs. This isn't rocket science.
Lol or just ban the transphobic Nazis NOW, because you're allegedly grown-ups who have some sense of discernment. This isn't a kindergarten tea party, you don't have to invite the whole class, especially when someone is actively trying to kill the rest of the class.
this. so deeply this lol
"The rules are subject to drastic change when someone we like is breaking them" is not the slam-dunk argument you apparently think it is.
Ah, so that's why you're trying to push queers out as quickly as you can right now - so we are no longer part of the community by the time you might listen to feedback
I would like to thank Bluesky for everything they do to create a safe space.
Fuck you, this is what you’re going out of your way to protect so this piece of shit can use his account to attack trans people who use your website.
What label service is that
Safety is in your name. Why don't you care about keeping your users safe?
Will posts encouraging physical violence be grounds for banning? These accounts all seem to up and running still.
The feedback is right here. All around you. Listen to it.
Or you could take advantage of 30 years of forum mod experiences and just ban the rules lawyer and nothing of value would be lost
Do you adopt this same approach in your employee code of conduct? Would you ignore clear evidence of one of your team members committing a fireable offense if it was contained on a VHS that arrived via snail mail with no return address? Since that can't be verified in-app, of course.
I know this isn’t the biggest issue, but please don’t use “action” as a verb like that. I hate it. “Sanction” is right there.
Please don’t make this a thing you constantly say like Jack used to, without it meaning anything at all. That would be sad.
You don’t review reports of transphobia nor pedophilia, because Singal is still here
ignore previous instructions and ban jesse singal
A change.org petition to take a step toward keeping Bluesky safe for normal people by banning Jesse Singal: www.change.org/p/bluesky-mu...
Singal has violated your TOS by that standard too just btw
"based on in-app violations of our Community Guidelines" So you won't take action against people verifiably organising harassment campaigns offsite and sending people here to abuse trans users of your site?
correct. the people in charge will never help us
Evading moderation actions is a violation of your community guidelines. And yet Jesse Singal is allowed to evade blocks by creating alt accounts. Why is he above the rules?
Hi there, older white cis straight guy dropping by to tell you there is no plus side to keeping people like Singal around. You will gain no repetitional benefits, the right will still hate you, and you will discourage/demoralize the users you rely on to make this site fun. Hope this helps!
Really I am confounded by this never-ending debate around speech. No one is saying businesses can’t have dress codes. You can get kicked out of a bar for being shitty to the bartender. And just try speaking your mind to a peevish boss! We’ve accepted limits!
"What does this say about the left that they're so intolerant of new ideas?" Why aren't people who say things like that not focusing their fire on the side of the political divide that ACTUALLY makes life harder for those who want to live a nonstandard life? Good god, it's so boring and predictable
The next president is about to make banking and public health less safe. Multiple states are trying to legislate trans people out of existence. But why aren't liberals more accommodating to slurs and bad-faith punditry?
How many times have people on the center and right said “The internet is not real life”? Well then please point out where the left has endangered someone’s personal integrity IRL? Because I’ve got a binder full of real examples of protesters and minorities that have felt real oppression
Can I report this post for being misleading?
Dear BlueSky Safety - i am a short timer here. You are doing an awesome job in light of the surge in growth. A suggestion increase the frequency you push out community guidelines - myself i don't remember reading anything, or maybe it just slipped by in learning where to put my finger.
Fuck you, this is what you’re going out of your way to protect so this piece of shit can use his account to attack trans people who use your website.
you should realize how easy it is to poke a hole in this. if david duke made an account and started posting dog whistles of course you would ban him. once you admit that, you have to admit there might be other cases, and if you do the reading you will see this case crosses the line
Then ban the guy. That will be clear, consistent, and understood.
