If you say something about your religion, and youβre running for office, youβre disqualified in my eyes. Religion has no place in government, and it has no place in campaigns.
If you say something about your religion, and youβre running for office, youβre disqualified in my eyes. Religion has no place in government, and it has no place in campaigns.
I'm Christian, but Christians these days scare me, in that they ignore Jesus's teachings.
Mine too!! Keep it to yourself!! Quit trying to force that shit on others!! ππ€¬πΏ
Grow up.
A-men!
If you volunteer it unasked then yeah. If asked about it, my opinion will be based entirely on the answer, but it's still not looking good.
President Kennedy made a campaign speech about his Catholicism. Nothing is wrong with faith and belief in God. Gov. Roy Cooper said nothing about giving it a "place in government." In fact, we should hear more about this other God that is not a Nationalist.
Would you rather them just not talk about it or just not have religion?
Thereβs nothing wrong at all with mentioning religion in campaigns. Itβs when ppl act like Kirk Cameron (among others) & use religion as an excuse to shield them from their shitty political opinions that go against Christ teachings that are a massive problem.
Agreed!
I criticised our Democrat senate candidate for that yesterday.
No kidding! I just got attacked by bible beaters for saying just that
Many have drifted over from the right because they actually have a few decent bones in their body, but theyβre bringing their destructive religion with them. I want no part of something that has been a bane of my existence for 50 years.
I'm so damn sick of the spitting and sputtering because one might have a different opinion. This is the only social media I have, and it's about to go too
Same. Too many Democrats have become what I left Twitter to avoid.
Longtime follower here. A non-party voter, i.e. Indy. What do you mean by "Too many Dems, etc." I left Xitter bc of the flood of hate, racism, violent misogyny, amplified, glorified, and normalized by Musk, et al. Curious re: what cross-over you see btw Dems=bad Xitter.
Same. I imagine that since Iβm Canadian, Iβm not allowed to have an opinion in their eyes.
They're still bloviating about how we're a Christian nation. I can't stand it
I got attacked for daring to point out that we have a very different viewpoint on the relationship between religion and politics in Canada. They equate religion with morality. π€¦π»ββοΈπ
I know. It's twisted, organized religion is a cult of it's own. If it makes you a better person, than worship how you wish, but that's not been my experience
I think it's ok if a politician says they follow a particular faith, as long as they keep it to that. But if they want to use their faith to guide governance, or as some sort of evidence of higher moral standing over their opposition, etc. they can pound sand.
I totally agree. I am not an atheist. I am spiritual. But Iβve been in politics for 30+ years without anyone needing to know that.
Adult fairy tales. How is this still a thing?
Unbelievable but still necessary in federal and (probably?) most regional elections. Religion (mythology) has been the uniting force for humans for 10,000 years or more. Itβs hard and maybe impossible to shake off. It can change, but hard to coalesce without it.
Here here!
if you're running for office and you mention you have a dog, you're disqualified in my eyes - ownership has no place in government
Immediately.
Religion has no place anywhere. Ghosts π» don't exist.
I completely agree.
Absurd
Cooper, assuredly what the thread is referring to, does in fact act like a Christian most - if not all - of the time. Kind of defeating your message.
I didn't reply to a thread about Cooper, keep up
I kinda feel this, but there are people who actually believe and attempt to live by the teachings of religious moral systems. If these people are calling out the hypocrisy of people who say they are religious but use it as a club to beat the less fortunate, they may be the people we need in office.
Yeah, Iβve heard that for 50 years.
The United States Constitution agrees with you.
Yes but a candidate's faith can be important to their identity, values and governing philosophies β and therefore their politics. As long as someone's not telling me I need to adopt their faith, or any faith, or trying to impose that faith on any citizen via government, I'm OK w them discussing it
Exactly right!
The only Universe where Iβm talking about religion is the one where Iβm trying to manipulate the masses and destroy their well being while they sit complicit and watch.
This goes for both sides of the aisle. Hakeem Jeffries religious tweets are fucking exhausting. Of course, it's even worse when the fascists try to pretend that they're following the mythical Christ.
Unfortunately, Magats suck up all fake religious people.
Hardly.
Organized religion has become nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Devil.
Religion shouldn't even be mentioned during a campaign. If a reporter asks about it, refuse to answer the question.
THAT would be the only time imo it would b okay to mention religion; in response to a reporter's question
Thank you!!! I get so much heat for making this very point. One can be religious, but donβt use it as your platform. Gross!
Well itβs a good thing you donβt live in North Carolina.
It certainly has not served us well in the past or present
this is the horse you are going to ride? Seriously? The strength of the D party is its diversity... that includes all faiths or no faith.
If white men need to sit our asses down because we're to blame (we are, yes, granted), then Christians should be doing the same. This is a mess that would not have happened without their religion, or if they had been able to keep their religion's crazy reigned in.
Who do you think are the Democratic Party's most reliable voters? What do you think their predominant religion is?
www.arizonachristian.edu/2024/11/14/d...
Even left-wing Christians are more likely to vote Republican simply because of the abortion issue. Many have told me directly themselves that they do not support Democrats for that reason alone.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement based on many conversations Iβve had (I live in the south).
So you're ignoring data for anecdotes (that you probably just made up, let's be honest here)?
Youβve not brought any data to this conversation. Youβre just mad because some people donβt like your fake ass faith.
What's your point? That that somehow justifies kicking all the Black people out of the Democratic Party? Because that's the position you're defending.
What? Lol. Black people voted overwhelmingly blue. Christians on the other hand voted for Trump in a higher percent than even men. Wanna try a different word salad and see if it sticks?
What do Black people do on Sunday mornings more than any other demographic in the US?
Your nonsensical reply which has nothing to do with what I said is clearly designed to try force a "gotcha" situation. I don't interact with bots. Bye.
Is "Christians need to shut up and step back" a fair interpretation of what you said or not?
Oh a race baiter trying to make it about Black people when no one said anything about kicking Christians out of the party.
Just like the religious to conflate separate issues then use them against people.
Complaining about "race baiting" like you're Rush Limbaugh, really not beating the white supremacist allegations *at all.*
That's exactly what was argued for, yes. Stop gaslighting us. We know what you want: for the Democrats to return to the whites-first whites-only party of the Solid South era.
It wasnβt, you just canβt read. But I am tired of the race baiting to win arguments. Doesnβt work with me anymore.
Being of a faith and speaking about it on the political floor are two different things. It's one thing to physically represent diversity, and an other to declare your faith to a political body or use it to sway people.
Maybe in some other reality, idk if youβve noticed but the people currently running our country into fascist hell are a white Christian nationalist organization. Context matters.
How is Roy Cooper a Christian Nationalist?
How are you coming to that conclusion from what Iβm saying? Why is it so hard for yall to understand THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?! The white Christian nationalists IM referring to are the heritage foundation that have infiltrated our govt. We NEED boundaries between our govt & religion.PERIOD
Conflation. They use anything to shut down the topic of separation of church and state.
Thereβs a glitch! Iβm telling you there is a glitch in their brains when they reach a certain point of trying to understand nuance π
You don't have the slightest clue what that phrase means if you think it implies that religious people shouldn't be allowed to be politicians, or even that they should have to keep their beliefs under wraps.
Nobody interpreted your nonsense as implicating the separation of church and state because that has literally nothing at all to do with any of this.
Uh huh π΅βπ«
Wow lol
Solid constitutional argument, you've convinced me!
Iβm watching in real time as the Democratic Party allows a religious takeover of what should be a secular party. Fuck them. They can be religious without a lot of people like me.
that isnβt happening though
Weirdo alert
You are correct and I'm with you, fuck Christians
Its absolutely not a take over
I don't know about your town or what you're observing, but I think you're incorrect/ahistoric. Religion has always played a strong role (Kennedy, Carter, Obama, Biden), but these days Evangelicals are almost all Republicans. (I'm atheist & Dem for many decades)
Questions 1) Do you think it is a NEW thing that the majority of Democratic Party leaders are people of faith? 2) Are you saying "people like" you should not vote for AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Ralphael Warnock, Andy Beshear, Illhan Omar, Josh Shapiro, or Pete Buttigieg if he runs for anything else?
Oh for fuckβs sake. One guy mentioning prayer isnβt βa religious takeoverβ. Besides that, like it or not itβs a Christian-majority country. If you donβt want Christians in your party, then you donβt want to win elections or govern. And if thatβs the case, the Green Party is that-a-way.
As if Iβm talking about one guy. You can scream all you want and cry about what I said, but the minority Dem House leader told the country that God was in charge. And a little comprehension before you go off would be great since I never said I donβt want Christians in my party.
And trump said he is the chosen one⦠Remember?
And no, itβs not a Christian majority country. The majority of Americans are not Christian. This isnβt 1980.
The US is absolutely a majority Christian. www.pewresearch.org/religious-la...
Wonder if they polled Muslim and Jewish populations as equally as they did Christianβs.
The way people are rabidly flocking to comment is proof how fanatical Christianβs are lol.
as of March 2024, 68% of Americans identified with some Christian denomination.
Factually incorrect. You sound like a religious fundamentalist, relying on belief alone.
I'm a Christian. I'm very left of center on just about every issue. Do you really not want me in your party?
Is this Roy Cooper? I agree, but. If someone is going to fight fascists, then Iβm ok. Weβre partly in this mess because weβve allowed the GOP the exclusive right to command what is βreligiousβ. If we could articulate the ethical and moral teachings of Jesus in the context modern society, it would be
a good thing and it might actually get rid of the GOP and their hate and dismantling of the social welfare safety net. I mean, for fuck sakes, I think you could argue Jesus would advocate for communism.
intolerance goes nowhere.
"Christian" != "Intolerant". The loudest ones sure are, but believe it or not, christianity is more than just evangelicals.
When will the βmore than evangelicalsβ start fighting the evangelicals to take back their religion? Bc it kinda looks like theyβre are ok with how itβs going.
the 12 year old rape victim didn't fight back hard enough so it kinda looks like she was ok with it.
OK, a 12 yo rape victim is in no way comparable to different sects of Christianity, I wish yall were better at making comparisons.
JFC that was awful
Tell that to your faith.
this is the opinion of a 13 year old
Sorry. As an atheist, I donβt like your unconstitutional attitude. I donβt believe in a religious test to hold public office. I just donβt want a lawmaker using their religion as the reason behind every bill they support. Weβre fighting fascism. This is a waste of anger. A loser philosophy.
What
Are you five years old? or are you a recent transplant to the US with no knowledge of Cooper or politics at all? Why are you this ignorant?
found the white supremacist
How is this in any way white supremacist? If anything religion (SPECIFICALLY white Christian nationalism) has been used for centuries to colonize and propagandize POC.
Cutting out religion, and specifically Christianity, means cutting out Black people, the most reliably churchgoing and religious demographic in the US.
starting to sound like you don't really know anything about the Black population of the Carolinas
OMFG do you think Black and Indigenous Americans were christian prior to colonization???? JFC.
I mean, how else could it happen in 6000 years?
are we talking about BIPOC in the context of Cooper's run for Senate or BIPOC prior to colonization
No youβre not.
So religious Dems like Warnock are white Christian nationalists in disguise?
The mental gymnastics required to come to that conclusion from what I said, is fucking OLYMPIC level. Be an idiot somewhere else.
Explain to us how white Christian nationalist fascists on the right mean that Christian Dems are a problem. How is that "context" relevant at all?
This is like replying to someone saying something positive about Dems being accepting of vegetarians with "Hitler was a vegetarian. Context matters!"
You don't want transparency? "The Supreme Court has ruled that the 14th Amendment (ratified in 1868) requires states to guarantee fundamental rights such as the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religionThe Constitution!"
You think the amendment BANS speaking about religion? It doesn't. It GIVES freedom from prosecution while practicing a religion. JFK was Catholic. He didn't try to convert the nation to catholicism! He allowed MUSLIMS to practice Islam.
He allowed Jews to practice Judaism. See how this works?Freedom from religion AND freedom to be any religion AND speak about it.
Lol. Every politician talks about religion. So good luck and welcome to politics.
North Carolina is different - I have no problem with anyone's faith, as long as it's not hypocritical. These days, I know, the two go hand in hand almost all the time
Separation of church & state!
I feel the same way and itβs because religion is the driving force behind us losing our constitution.
Voters ignore that many elected Democrats and Republicans go to church together. To the same church. Part of the same faith family. And after watching people of faith operate for some time, I doubt I can be convinced theyβll put secular governing before that faith, esp topics their faith addresses.
Jimmy Carter was open about his religious beliefs, went to church every Sundsy & taught Sunday school. Remember what MLK's day job was? What monsters, am I right?
And look where we are now, glory. Maybe take stock in whatβs happening around you.
It didn't happen because Carter was a believer in Christ, dear. That's *extremely* specious reasoning.
It happened because people like you allowed religion to start infiltrating government. You put your religion in your faith before the people of the United States. Youβre an enemy of the constitution when you do that.
And donβt call me dear, you condescending pric
Like out of curiosity, what way has Ilhan Omar "allowed religion to infiltrate the government"? The insidious way Fox News keeps telling us?
Look at white people again, bringing up a religion that has literally zero political power, or any influence on our government. Always.
That you listen to Fox News says so much.
Is your argument that everyone does it? I donβt understand why you are posing an accusation as a question. I never named names. I donβt think attire is religious as much as cultural and independent preference. Iβm unaware of her praying at work because you didnβt provide a source for that.
My argument is that she's not "doing it" at all. And unless you have an example of a person "doing it", then the line of argument is useless and invalid. That's the point. Someone *having* a religion and saying so is not in itself a violation of church.
Why are you arguing about something with yourself? No one mentioned her. No one accused her of doing anything. As far as providing sources that they are praying in congress, have you been under a rock?
In addition, someone NOT having a religion is not, in and of itself an indication of their moral character. As we've seen here, it's not even an indication on how unbearably self-righteous they'll be about something.
No it happened because people wanted power and to subjugate other people. Separation of church and state certainly did not stop people from doing *that*, that's for sure. So unless you have an anecdote of whoever you're talking about doing such a thing, it really has nothing to do with anything.
No, it happened because people like you allowed religion to filter into government because you thought it was a good thing. You went against the constitution and now you put us in this place.
Separation of church and state has been trampled on throughout our history. I think you mean the rule doesnβt stop it from happening. Both sides did it already for over two hundred years. Both sides argue that itβs ok as long as their side is the one doing it.
Again. Belief and faith are not the issue. Bringing to work when you work in government is the issue. What is good for one is weaponized by another.
I really donβt understand the disconnect from r discourse on this topic. Do we uphold the constitution or argue how it should bend? Bending it cause it to snap.
This entire discussion has made it very clear that Christians, left or right, do not care about the constitution when their faith is involved.
It runs deep and isnβt owned by one faith or political group.
Thatβs a great slippery slope argument. Just look what happened. The separation of powers, and of church and state, were supposed to prevent this from happening. But, if the parties chip away the constitution, even for a good reason, it opens the door for fascism.
That separation of powers was conceived and codified by people of faith. Reason, yes, but also faith.
Faith is not the issue. Praying on the job is the issue.
If someone tells me they have to pray to something I donβt even believe exists to find out how to govern me, I have a huge problem with it.
π― Faith doesnβt require context or knowledge of facts. It requires no reasoning or critical thinking. This is why religion loves common sense.
Etymologically, faith comes from latin fides, meaning fidelity. As in, fidelity to a process: it could be fidelity to empirical science, to the law, to a supernatural deity, or to abstract principles of Reason. When someone is unfaithful to their spouse, they have lacked fidelity in their marriage.
That isnβt how it is used in religious practice in the evangelical churches. I was raised in them and I know. They define and teach faith as blindly following the leader, even if they are harming yourself your others, because itβs godβs plan. Of course itβs only godβs plan if they agree with it.
Common sense is also void of facts and reason.
No oneβs saying candidates have to be non-theists. Just that faith is a private, personal matter that doesnβt belong in govt. Which is how most of the founders behaved.
People of faith cannot bring themselves to even think about this point of view. The reactions to my post proved my whole point. Their faith comes first. Before our constitution. Before their fellow citizens. Every time.
And they can say they are all they want, but people who react like that are not the βgoodβ Christians.
That's because many of them live in a fear-based vertical morality paradigm, so they're accountable ONLY to their god. The people around them are only relevant insofar as it matters to god.
To a lot of christian extremists, murder isn't wrong because it hurts people, it's wrong because only God has the authority to take life. But if god has granted you that authority (say, under christian nationalism), then it's OK because god said you could.
As an atheist, you're not being reasonable. This is a majority religious country. What you're asking for is not going to happen in our lifetimes.
That's...not "bringing religion into government." Do you actually HAVE any evidence that the person you are complaining about is doing so?
Positively far more impactful issues to deal with, and if you think a Senator is winning in NC without some level of connection to the church you are joking yourself. I wish it were another way, but I am also living in reality
White Christian nationalism is why weβre where we are.
Separation of church and state 100%!!
My people came here to escape barbaric western white Christian Europe generations after Africans arrived. The unholy union of church and state there was intolerable.
The toxic unions of church and state in barbaric, white Christian western Europe is why my people came to America (generations after the kidnapped Africans).
I feel I have no choice at this point but to leave politics alone, stay to myself, and rely on my white male status to keep me safe from bigots. Democrats arenβt doing it. I cannot stand the religious right, and I donβt trust the religious people on the left to do whatβs best for everyone.
Don't leave. Don't stay by yourself. We'll get thru this. It's probably gonna be a longer battle than we think. Let's concentrate on smaller elections and the mid terms. π
So you helped elect Trump π‘
Democrats literally have ZERO ABILITY TO DO IT because we took away ALL of their power.
As long as we have First-Past-the-Post elections, doing anything OTHER than voting Democrat (e.g. voting green, or staying home) is the same thing as voting for the nazis. If you think otherwise, that's copium.
Youβre a piece of sht
Take a break! I have to take breaks from time to time for my mental health. It will take all of us, including you to fight for our democracy.
Without you, thereβs less of us Indy and I agree with your views on politics all the time. Thereβs a place for you. I promise. π
I canβt be alone, and Iβm feeling pushed farther and farther away from the Democratic Party by the voters.
Iβm 63 and have been a Democrat since high school. This crop of Dems in congress is limping aimlessly through the biggest attack on American soil since the Civil War. Theyβre failing us. All I know to do is fight back & keep hoping someone will grow a pair and lead the resistance to victory.
Hi.. I hear you. And I see youβ¦ with all of my heart. Sometimes, when itβs easiest to walk away, is the time to push forward for the result you want. Donβt take it from me - that was my therapistβs recommendation 10 years ago. And without it, I would never have met you. π
Iβve never felt more hopeless than I do today. Thanks though. Love you, too.
Rest as needed. Stay in community. Hydrate, eat healthy, & try to find some joy. Do, at least, 1 thing that makes you happy everyday. Laugh as much as you can. We are with you, friend.
Beautiful π. And move towards happiness if you're not. You don't have to stay anywhere.
Stay with me, my friend. πππ
What is the alternative?
We push back Indy. π
There's a *lot* of Christian atheists in the world. But you're pretty annoying, so I can understand why you wouldn't want to hang out with each other.
Thatβs the stupidest thing Iβve ever read.
You should read some of the things people rebelling against their specific Christian upbringings say
Yes, you are inbred. lol
"Do What Thou Wilt!" ooh you're so wicked. what a rebel.
youβre sad
Okay now I'm curious. What's a Christian atheist? Isn't that a contradiction?
Religion is people. You can belong to a congregation and broadly share their beliefs, even accept the historicity of a Jesus figure, but still reject the idea of a biblical "God"
This is something a lot of atheists raised in a Christian tradition struggle with, especially in America, where Christian Nationalists have made it an all-encompassing social system. Religion is about ordering the world and our relationships with each other. A *lot* of non-god things fit that bill
Not sure I agree with that. Religion seems very "God-ish" to me, and about an idea not about people really. Thanks for answering though.
So he's not completely full of shit, he was just being an asshole by using it as a weapon against someone he assumed it applied to. Let me see if I can do better, as an ex-christian. When you move out of religion, you do a lot of "unpacking." Realizing your religion caused you to view... /2
It sounds like you were raised in a specific Christian culture and haven't thought much about what other religions believe. Religion is fundamentally a relationship of people to each other and the world, and that only sometimes has a "god"
Have you considered that the Democratic party is not for you? Maybe you are more aligned with Democratic Socialism?
Someone mentioning their own religious beliefs doesn't violate that.
I get it and generally agree but my exception would be state Rep Talarico from Austin, TX. Very Christian and speaking out against nationalism. As an atheist I respect what he's doing.
Speaking out against it is one thing, promoting any form of it is another.
He has been very clear in every speech. Iβve heard him speak that his religion, which he relies on solely for personal guidance has no place in his government. He has it right. Not somebody who tells me that heβs praying on whether or not he should run.
Sounds good, idk of him until now. My only experience is Jeffries quoting scripture back at MAGA as if thats some how an βownβ.
Jeffries or any Christian like him has no business in leadership. He told the people of America that God was in charge.
Talarico is not Jeffries. I'm not a Jeffries fan myself. Give him a look. He's gaining recognition for the right reasons. youtu.be/ao3BmA1pt54?...
I agree.
Sorry. . . folks got a right to their religion. . . . It might be helpful to ask more specific questions. . . . such as, does the candidate let his/her understanding of his/her religion dictate policy. The constitution says "no religious test"; that means "no religious test".
No one here is saying folks canβt practice a religion or that people of a particular religion canβt hold office. Theyβre saying religious practice doesnβt belong in politics.
Sorry. . . constitutionally protected. Ask more specific questions.
Itβs not constitutionally protected to mix politics with religion. In fact, itβs anti-constitutional. Ask more specific questions about the parts youβve missed.
Now you are beginning to ask more specific questions.
Like most religious people, youβre annoying as fuck and believe youβre righteous.
Like many irreligious people you make rash assumptions about who I am based on no evidence.
The evidence is your stupid replies which say nothing. Also, Mr My-religion-knows-everything, Iβm not irreligious.
sorry .. . . you can't say something is "evidence" when you don't even bother to read what I have said. You only see through your filters, and your filters could use a good cleaning.
I think you've missed the part where @indyrefugee.bsky.social said an overtly religious candidate is disqualified "in [their] eyes." I and many others here agree.
If a candidate makes their faith a selling feature of their campaign, they're highly unlikely to get my vote. The government may not be able to prevent a religious person from running, but I'll do my part to prevent them from winning,
If a candidate makes their religion an issue then I'd say 99.9% of the time they really don't hold their religion, they're just using it.
And since we all know we're talking mostly Christians here, you of all people should know that the bible is NOT univocal on what Christianity entails. *Every* Christian negotiates with the text to find meaning, which - shocker! - usually confirms what they already inclined to believe.
Scripture should always be interpreted in context. Without context the conclusions will just support one's ego.
Oh no no no...no sir. Just because you don't agree with how someone lives their religion, doesn't mean you can disavow them or pass judgment on the validity of their practice. Religious extremists are no more or less Christian/Jewish/Muslim/etc than their low-key, open-minded counterparts.
Someone who claims to be a Christian, while completely eshewing the teachings of Jesus, is no Christian.
You don't get to determine that, though. If someone professes Jesus as their savior, is baptised, accepts the bible as their holy book, etc., they're as much a Christian as you are. They're just not the kind of Christian you approve of. And to many of them, you're not a real Christian either.
There are objective standards for being a Christian.
Go back to France
No candidate should campaign on their religion, but I think it's reasonable when discussing issues where MAGA is using religion to push extremism to point out that their faith doesn't agree with those interpretations.
I feel like having to find a case where it IS arguably appropriate to talk about religion is kind of like finding the exception that proves the rule.
It has no place in the world period.
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Thatβs absurd
I prefer the constitution to your feelings.
The Constitution doesnβt say that a belief in God makes someone ineligible for office
The constitution demands separation of church and state. You allowing religion to infiltrate the government in any way is anticonstitutional. Your feelings donβt matter here.
epic reddit atheist takes stand
That seems really stupid. He's not running on religious grounds, he's just a religious guy. He's not running to install religious legislation, nor is he making any promises on the basis of his faith. He said the word pray. Something extremely normal. I think you're very abnormal.
If you have a religion that permits you to speak about it, it shouldn't matter if you're running for office. Religion has no place in policy, but religion is an important part of self governance. If you're running for office and have no religion that scares me bc you have no guiding principles.
Oh brother. I'm an atheist and I have more guiding principles than ANY conservative Christian in my network.
What an absolute pile of horse manure. You can't behave, so you need a smitey fake deity to run your life. I do not as I was raised properly. GTFO with your agenda
Believing in fairytales is destructive to mankindβs future. I wish these people would mature.
My deity is my self. So maybe your deity needs some work but I'm solid. If you were raised in America you were raised with mostly Christian morals regardless of your beliefs. But you don't have to follow other people's religion. Make your own.
I don't need one. Your deity is your ego
Religious principals, good, bad and ugly, are human principals because humans created the gods.
Pure, unadulterated BULLSHIT! Lots of moral people with absolutely no religion. Idiotic take on your part.
Marge Greene and countless others are proof of this personβs idiocy.
Look in a mirror
You look into the mirror and recognize the religious bigot you really are.
so much undeserved piousness
You just defined yourself. Good job.
lol I was talking about the person we were replying to but OK.
My bad
lol
Oops
This is the most offensive thing Iβve read recently. If you need a religion to tell you how to be good, youβre a weak person.
my response to those door knocking jesus fvcks.....I have managed to be a part of society without the "added value of some ahole telling me how to act-think-be"
I donβt even know what itβs like to rely on someone or something else to tell me how to be a decent person. And I damn sure wouldnβt admit it.
You come up with your own morality without any reference to the people or society around you? So you like, a Jedi or what
How very reductive, Zota.
Did Yoda give you your Jedi name, Pippi
Are you 11 yrs old?
Ohhh you want to have an adult conversation. Okay, Pippi. How do you think people decide what things they'd be willing to die for? Do they do it entirely in their own head without any concern or reference to society or the world around them?
Your initial premise is flawed. One's religious beliefs impacting one's personality/character is inseparable from impacts of environment, education, circumstances, upbringing, and personal experience. It's not an either/or proposition. We all have choices. So, okay, zota (video game name)-
Religion isnβt the only reference.
Dang you never had parents? I feel bad for you. That must have been a difficult struggle learning how to be a good person without any role models.
And yet you cannot control the weather. Religion is about more than just being told what to do. It's about knowing your limits. Even criminals are a part of society.
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If you feel the need to call someone weak for believing in something bigger than themselves I'd say you're the weak one lol. Sit with that for a bit.
That's 100% horseshit. Wanting to make life better for your constituents is a guiding principle that doesn't require religion.
That's why I said religion has no place in policy.
This is the part of what you said that's horseshit: "If you're running for office and have no religion that scares me bc you have no guiding principles."
Apparently you have never met the Republicans in Congress. This statement is beyond ignorant and offensive. Anyone that needs any religion to guide their morality, humanity and charity should reevaluate their education, belief system and google terms like secular democracy and religious wars.
I personally canβt stand the religious references by politicians because it is 100% pandering but if North Carolina Dems want that itβs their choice. Itβs also why I will never live in North Carolina where religion has excused slavery, civil rights violations & patriarchy for 250 years.
It's actually scary that you think 'religion' is an important part of self-governance with the reality of: Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, Joel Osteen, violent MAGAt hypo-Christians, Gaza genocide, ICE concentration camps. Women bleeding to death in parking lots, etc, all in the 'name of God'
It is scary that religion gets out of control but that's mass religion. Religion itself is just the code we give ourselves to follow, like Gibbs from NCIS.
'Religion' and faith are, to me, separate. They can go together, but most often don't.
OK kingpervy
People don't need a god or gods to have guiding principles (or morals or ethics).
Thatβs a terrible thing to say, there are atheists out there who are better people than any Christian.
Lol, you are irrelevant statically as a member of the voting populace then. Like literally no one cares what you think because people like you donβt vote in sufficient numbers to make even a margin of difference.
So AOC is also disqualified? Iβm sure sheβll be heartbroken to lose your support. ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/in-the...
Does she scream it at her rallies?
Who said anything about screaming? Did Cooper scream it at a rally? Jimmy Carter talked about his faith CONSTANTLY. As an atheist, I didnβt love it. But he didnβt govern in favor of the church, or weaken the separation of church and state, and thatβs what ACTUALLY matters.
Sorry I didnβt mean actually scream. Is it an active part of her campaign?
Itβs not, but anti-constitutional Christians love to derail conversations with untruths.
Seems that way. Not sure how they misconstrue being religious with campaigning off your religion as the same thing. But here we are.
Once a Christian feels their faith has been insulted, nothing else matters to them but the annihilation of whomever insulted them.
You know⦠just like Jesus.
πππ sounds just like himβ¦
I can show you all the blocks from Christians since yesterday, because you know, blocking out what you donβt wanna hear is also part of that faith. Theyβre all so fake.
Comments like these are what make anyone right of center sigh and gives them an excuse to not consider a Democrat
I don't agree with this entirely. It's totally fine to talk about how your faith motivates you. If you're religious I want to know what your beliefs are to make sure you don't hate me, and I don't want people sneaking their bigotry in the side door. That said...
If you're someone who says that you're motivated to do Jesus stuff like feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked, welcome the stranger, heal the sick I'm gonna want to make sure you're cool with lgbt people. If you want god back in government I'm going to be suspicious, regardless...
of whether I agree with what you say your religion motivates you to do. I need you to be enthusiastically pro-lgbt, pro-trans healthcare, supporting trans youth, and pro choice. There's a higher standard of scrutiny that needs applying.
Do you think Roy Cooper is anti lgbtq????
I don't know anything about Roy Cooper so I'd need to look. There are plenty of pro-lgbt religious folks out there! The point is I want to check. I'm not going to jump to a conclusion either way until I know. People get the benefit of the doubt but I'll have questions before someone gets support
Then check? He vetoed three anti lgbtq laws. Heβs an extremely popular governor of a state we have to win if we want to regain the senate
Becky, genuine question: did I accidentally wander into a discussion about him? Because I haven't mentioned him and thought we were talking in general about religion and politics. As for what you said: that sort of action is what we need, and for my part, preferred to words.
My impression of all religion in politics related posts today is that they came off the heels of Roy Cooper saying he prayed about it and is going to enter the North Carolina senate race. No one in this thread mentioned it specifically but it has been what prompted most posts today
Thank you. I had no idea that that had happened. I will say that a lot of the posts that are happening then, are one person responds to the situation, and then the rest of us have no idea about the situation. With what little I have been able to google I have zero problems with Roy Cooper's faith.
Don't worry, it is a common mistake. We've successfully managed to nationalize politics at every level, so people continuously say things that are completely divorced from context.
I'll look into him when I have time because just based on what you've told me I already like him a hell of a lot more than Gavin from Cali. I prefer not being talked about by allies, because they make lots of mistakes that accidentally hurt us. Better that allies act in our defense and let us speak.
So if he's not talking nonsense but then acting on our behalf? That's pretty damned close to the gold standard. But I have to check for myself one, and I don't have time now. And two, I didn't realize this was about him if indeed it is about him.
Hmm. People often ask me why I would run. I am inspired by my faith in the inherent dignity and worth of every person, and the capacity of any community to build a better world. Both of which are from my Unitarian-Universalism. Would pretending I came up with the ideas on my own be better?
My understanding of the Universal Unitarian Church is that it's not exclusive to a specific religious construct, i.e., Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, et al., is that right?
Thatβs right: it invites people of many different beliefs to come together in community. It is a bit of an odd duck among religions, in that it has a religious commitment to pluralism & heresy. But its roots in Massachusetts run deep, back to the Unitarian Congregationalists of the 19th century.
Religion has no place in government, it has no place in our schools. Religion has lost itself when it hovers around a pedophile in Congress. When they cannot call out pedophilia on our president. Who are they afraid of Trump or God?