This isn’t some board game. These are lives. Immigrants are alive. Not only is that important to know, knowing and saying this will help give people the fight and belief in our leaders we need to defeat Republicans. BTW, for those who could legally vote there, 772,412 voted for Harris.
Republicans don’t give a Fuck. What they care about it their grocery bill. If u don’t tie their vote to their grocery bill and repeated a million times over- they will keep voting R. At least u have some chance of them not voting in 2026 if u can hold them accountable
So what if Republicans don’t give a fuck? We aren’t appealing to them, so why appeal to them? And once again, Dems live there. It wasn’t even half the eligible voters, which is significantly less than their whole pop. This convo is not about reaching Republicans, and it’s not just about Alabama.
A skunk will always be a skunk
No one takes more joy in minorities suffering than liberals on social media. Jesus Christ. You fucking salivate about feeding people to Republicans, it's insane.
That is bullshit. Fucking MAGAs are posing for pictures at Alligator Alcatraz, Dr. Phil is going on ICE raids and ICE is hiring 18 year olds and J6ers. Cut the crap. This is a real crisis, not an online bitch fest.
Nobody loves Fascism more than fucking tankies. STFU
Abby. I am A minority in a red state. So now what. U wanna delete ur post?
Ummm. What?
And how many non-trumpers/Republicans didn't bother to vote or help to push out the vote? Quite a few I'm sure. And us in blue states are also suffering because of what the magas have done and we also have to live with it! How frustrated do you think we are?
You can be mad at Trump voters? You realize that, right? Y’all can be mad at Trump supporters? What do you think of the Dems the South sends to the House? How about the TX Dems trying to stop the steal? Do you not realize people voted for them? Do you realize their are fights you ignore?
Abby, WTF r you spewing? I think u mistaken BlueSky for X dear, No liberal or democrats enjoy or as u say salivate on feeding people to REPUBLICAN SCUM BUT REPUBLICANS DO! Go drink your KOOLAID!
Cool it please. Abby is addressing the weird need of those to eager to forget that there are non-Republicans, non-Trump voters stuck in red states. It’s bizarre behavior, but also painful for those forgotten in those states who vote Blue even as they make voting harder than it already was.
U just described me. What exactly do u want me to do? Sit back and cry? Or hold trump voters responsible for their actions?
New York City liberal here. Talk to your Republican neighbor and explain the fallacy of poor working class people in red states voting for and supporting Republicans. Explain that poor rural states will forever be failures and ranked low on every measure due to Republican policies.
Their vote is tied to their Bible. Dems are baby killers in their book and would b worse.
Yet, it’s your R people that are taking advantage of these workers and paying them a shit wage with no benefits. Your conservatives are the ones causing the suffering, you twit. So get off your high horse and begin to think critically for once.
Immigrants are not the lazy ones lady, and there is no suffering in working hard to make a living
You're seeing a post out of context. This is a response discussing a type of Dem, who'll defend withholding sympathy for non-Trump supporters stuck in red states. A reaction to a reaction that starts with a reply advising that it's worth pointing how bad those jobs are. Immigrants deserve better.
Both Dems & Reps conspired together to use the neoliberalist "Poverty as a Policy Choice" for the last 40 years. 66% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. They work 2-3 jobs on 6-7 days per week. They still can't make rent & buy food for their kids. They skip meals. No time to read news or vote.
Pure bull. The fact is we wouldn’t be here today is the bUT bOtH siDes ppl didn’t sit on the sidelines or vote 3rd party in 2016
If you miss a shift and you become homeless because of this, you had no choice to vote. That is reality.
There are people on this site who either can’t decenter themselves and know the obstacles history built and/or have not lived with negative accounts as they work two jobs so their home isn’t taken away. I wish they’d actually listen to activists in the south, but they don’t care really.
This is very disappointing, and hurtful too, I imagine.
The choice of a genocide by Biden or a genocide by Trump was no choice at all. For folks who had lost 100+ family members under Biden's watch, none of them can be killed again under Trump. Trump is using Biden's policies. reason.com/2025/01/27/t...
Don’t become trapped by this convo. Two false narratives: nonvoters were mostly Palestine protestors, the economy was good (Gini vs GDP shows why swing voters had economy on mine foremost) Dems considered CNN and NYT liberal media even as it centered Biden’s flaws, and yet we’re blamed.
I try not toget too involved. But do the occasional fact check or another viewpoint. Some folks ignore, some engage and some are shocked that they didn't know things. It really is a mixed bag. Thank you for your kind words of wisdom. Much appreciated. I ignored CNN and NYT & looked at Indie media.
Who wrote anything remotely like that?
suffering? As a minority I grew up with a true work ethic. We've never been the lazy wetbacks that you called us. Liberals told you this would happen. They told you Caucasians didn't want the work and lo and behold! Alabamans getting what they voted for and the laborers they deserve.
Are you arguing with the wrong person on purpose
You seem oblivious to the fact that liberals live in Alabama just like they do every other red state. I didn't vote for this shit. I voted for the qualified black lady. Why are you blaming people like me? Are we supposed to convince everyone else in our state to vote like us? How?
Are you reading this post out of context? Abby isn’t saying this in support of Trump. It’s a scold on liberals who forget there are non Trump voting victims in red states.
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Did you just forget I have not been talking about Trump voters. The whole thread is about those who didn’t vote for Trump, but are affected by it! And the point of that sign includes Dems who vote to support Nazis, and Nazi views! That’s what progressives are saying! Always!
U are talking about trump voters when u talk about the consequences of trumps policies on ppl who may not have voted for trump. Ur still talking about trump voters my guy. Just indirectly. How old ru?
U still haven’t answered my question. Ur calling us villains when we are victims of trumps policies. Do u want us to sit back and cry or hold trump voters responsible for their vote?
Yes, there are non-Trumpers in red states. Now is the time for them to step it up and convince the vast majority of Trumpers in their state to switch. If they can't, let them circle the drain with the Trumpers.
have you ever lived in a red state?
No. He's just busy judging them. He's no better than the people he hates. Like many people on this platform, he thinks anyone who lives in a red state votes red, and blames them if they vote blue and haven't convinced everyone else to switch parties. He's a Republican in Democratic clothing.
So, non-trump voters are supposed to convince trump voters that they’re wrong? Pfft. I won’t even converse with or hire these lunatics anymore if I can help it. They’re literally insane and this is a cult. I’m not dealing with cult lunatics. What a fucking expectation!
No. But why are they Dump cultists? How did the non-cultists do it? There must be a loose thread out there that needs to be unraveled.
Trump cultists are yt supremests and xtian nationalists
It’s true. I received a magazine in the mail for my crazy MAGA neighbor - something about persecuted Christians. I opted to recycle it rather than drop that propaganda with her. She can’t stand that this isn’t an HOA. 😂
Libertarians and isolationists. Generational mostly. Racism def. The non-cult Trump people are also libertarians, Independents, and working class swing voters. Unfortunately, it’s a money and information game, but red states have decades of Republicans doing so. We can still help. Needs help.
First thing my crazy MAGA neighbor asked me was my political party. Not state her name or ask mine. She thought because I stated independence, that meant I was a libertarian. It went downhill from there. 😂
I think the cultists don’t like thinking deeply and find it too hard. They want someone to smite their perceived enemies. This is often done in the name of a god.
Sorry, I meant that response for Eric Dew! I think cultists (one is a former friend who lived in fear all her life) are looking for answers to their fear, especially in a daddy-based way. They want the daddy-type to control the people and things they don’t like. It’s just my rudimentary theory.
The only thing to fear is fear itself. And FDR wasn’t just making some mystical babbling. Fear grips a person and pushes the person into irrational and damaging acts. It is important to banish fear in order to assess and solve problems.
bingo. what is their fear? Being jobless? Not having confidence to put themselves out there? Afraid of risks?
No
I have and most of the white people there are terrified of real talk, or the truth. You're meant to stay quite and keep the peace rather than stand up and rock the boat. I get in arguments everytime I go back to Kentucky to see my family cause the people there are morons.
Ah, yes, "convincing Republicans to change their mind". Super easy, barely an inconvenience, huh? Have you ever attempted that Sisyphean task?
I understand it’s a difficult task. But if you live in a red state and your situation is dire, you have to get that done. All I can suggest is different people should try different approaches. What works for person A may not work for person B.
Eric, friend, I hear your calm response and I appreciate it as most people responding to me just want allowance to be lazily mean to people in red states, but may I recommend slowing down. Do you know the paper we’re talking under is from a red state? People know and are working. Go look. Read.
We all have different perspectives based on our past and current experiences. I’m in SF. Deep, deep blue, right? Yet, there are people within my social circle who voted for T in 16 and again in 24. My problem is we can’t tell who is the undercover gestapo. 1/2
In your case, I suspect they’re more out in the open about their pro-T stance. In SF I knock doors during election season. 40 doors, 4 answer, 3 say, “not interested”. Engagement is tough and depressing. So for you, meeting a redcapper may not be so difficult.
yah it's tough. I work with Feds that were forced into early retirement and were cultists. what else can you possibly tell them. They lost their jobs!!!!
hey! I lived in a ridiculously red county for many years and my solution was to get out. As quickly as possible. College helped. Get the kids out. They deserve a better future.
I lived in a conservative county. Once I was old enough, I left. I plan to send my kids to college overseas. Alabama blue, send your kids out of Alabama no matter how! Find any way you can! Scholarships, early jobs, whatever it takes.
I left, but my family is generational poverty levels like a lot of people where I’m from esp since the prosperity Californians took over the areas around my home city. Like the POC generations deep in the south, it’s incredibly hard to leave without money or safety nets. Guilt eats me from afar.
Giving the kids of Alabama whatever chance they can get is a solution. Even if it's just across a border. Get them somewhere with Even a sliver of opportunity.
Smart move. My understanding is that foreign college education isn’t that expensive.
A friend was telling me my daughter could just go to a school in England for acting. Not that England is doing very well right now, but it beats this crap storm.
I'm really tired of people not understanding we live in this country with the people you are talking about. How have you not yet understood they use your position and theirs to make sure all of us suffer, regardless of how we vote? Are you truly unable to understand this?
A lot of these people seem completely oblivious to the fact that members of all political parties live in all 50 states, and that when they wish bad things on people living in red states, they're wishing them on Democrats as well as Republicans. They would happily throw us away.
They are cultists, yelling at cultists, hoping the audience thinks they are winning an imaginary game.
Who are cultists? Who is they
You’re being a Karen right now, just listen. Their whole point is that the republicans don’t give a fuck about decency so we need to appeal to what they care about so we can drag this country back from the brink of fascism. Then maybe we can pass better laws!
And I forgot to add - They need to put their hand on the stove to learn. Let them! It’s not fair the rest of us have to suffer but nothing else has worked. They need to feel the pain.
Are you reading this post out of context? This isn’t about Republicans, this is about people trapped in Red states! Y’all bring up Republicans systematically stealing seats and then forget that’s what happened and happens in the south! Like can we understand that non-Republicans live there too?
Ofc dems live in deep red states. I am one. But instead of smothering Nazis w kindness- I am holding them accountable for their votes!
No, it's not. they were referring to people in red states who didn't vote for Harris. I went back and checked.
Yeah that’s not it. We’ve just come to the realization that talking common sense to these people is pointless. They have lost touch with reality. So feeling the consequences of their actions is the only thing that hasn’t been tried. Let them feel it. Make them feel it. Its not something to avoid
Exactly. Y is this so hard to understand? How did we become the villains?
Until you pierce the bubble they’ve been pickling in they will just keep doing what they’re doing. Not sure why it’s controversial at all to make them feel the consequences of their vote. That by the way, ALL Dem and GOP voters suffer through daily.
Exactly. Thank u! Apparently the controversy arises for the lack of overt sympathy for innocent victims of trumps policy. Like when children drown from flooding in Texas even tho their parents voted for no early warning systems, development in flood areas, defunding fema
I want people to reap what they sow. I cheer it on. This is not about that. It’s wild how I keep saying this, but not understood. The initial post isn’t about Republicans. It’s about those stuck with them. The people who didn’t vote for Trump who live in red states. Holding sympathy for them.
So ur holding sympathy for me bc I’m a non trump voter trapped in deep red state. I’m also villain bc I hold no sympathy for those like me. U don’t know if I should sit back/cry or hold trump voters accountable bc that’s retribution not governing——this is why u aren’t understood. U make no sense.
You’re calling yourself a villain. You throw names and charges and yet they are your actions. And yeah I pity you because you’re stuck with shitty leaders, and yeah I find you a jerk for thinking non-Trump supporters not deserving of sympathy? It’s that simple. Go fight Trump supporters not me.
I see. It’s about YOUR feelings. Where are you from?
And it’s not about yours or the people replying to me? Y’all start with anger and anecdotes when I share sympathy and data. I’m from the south, I’m a latino from a latino city in the south that sends Dems to the House. I care about my family. About friends. About strangers. And they care too.
This is about Libs forgetting that libs live in red states. That lot of immigrants live in red states. That POC are stuck in red states. That places have been gerrymandered and red lined, and people forget this when cheering on pain in red states. People forget non-Trump voters live there too.
How can I forget. I’m a non trump voter is a deep red state. A victim of republican and trump policies. But u keep ignoring that bc u want to make me the villain. And u refuse to answer this question. Do u want me to sit back and cry? Or hold trump voters accountable for their vote?
We're not ignoring that and we're not making you the villain. You might be collateral damage, though. And, what's the question again?
There’s no problem in this country too big or too small that y’all can’t find to blame on “De Libz” JFC grow up
It literally is… it literally is about the libs who do this in response to someone doing it. Prefer to not dig for context?
We haven't forgotten that. We are fully aware that there are non-Trumpers in red states. So do your part and then some. Convert a dozen Trumpers into being non-Trumpers.
I don’t live in the south anymore. My family does, but why assume we aren’t proactive? Why assume beyond what is said here? The response is a response you agree with, so what’s the disagreement? Would appreciate some hesitation in assumptions. What’s your goal, sincerely?
I don’t see any change. Proactivity without results is meaningless.
I don’t see why one has to “both sides” every advertisement. Democrats can’t do anything for people in red states. The only way to make change is for them to win elections. It is that simple. You’re putting the cart before the horse. We need people in power who see immigrants as people.
Look, this isn’t a vague both sides, this is a care about non-Trumpers in red states discussion. The TX Dems attempting to prevent Abbott’s redistricting? They have Dem voters, right? Focus on those Dems, not the thieves. We can embark on a debate on what is helpful, but that’s a diff discussion.
You’re talking about immigrant/migrant labor pay & benefits in Alabama in response to Alabama farmers talking about their issue being not having any labor at all. That’s because the federal government decimated their workforce. How would talking about better pay & benefits go if your those farmers?
I have no idea what you’re talking about with Texas. Minority turnout in Alabama has been falling and if I recall correctly, conducted elections with an illegal gerrymander & a variety of turn-out suppression. Pushing back on the gerrymander of TX by fighting fire with fire is the same fight.
Alex, chump got 1.4 million Alabama votes…this is what they voted for, let them enjoy this shit sandwich.
1.4 million out of 3,798,039 million eligible voters out of documented 5,157,699 people voted for Trump, so everyone must suffer. Like, why? Why is that important to you? Do you just not care? Like you people are weird.
U must not live in the south. Calling yourself a Christian and voting republican gives u a license to be a shitty person. Ur not gonna change them my guy. Ur gonna hold them accountable and let them pull themselves up by their bootstraps when the economy crashes.
Omg, guy, please slow and read or let go of assumptions? I don’t care about the Republicans there! And I was born in the south. Still have family in the south. JFC, buddy! Numbers game: If it was based on party registration numbers, would Trump have won TX: factually.co/fact-checks/...
Elections have consequences Alex…I stopped caring when way too many of our fellow citizens decided to put the felon and racist back in office, as if his first term wasn’t fucking bad enough. Also, the left need to get over this purity politics bullshit, if it’s Newsom for ‘28, LFG!
While I don’t disagree with the sentiment about people’s lives, it feels like some states and our nation just needs to go through some stuff before we learn anything. Farmers disproportionately voted for this.
They did go through it. They are going through it. I am from the south. I have family generations in the south. Friends with generations in the south. We are all POC. We did and are going through it! Know this, Republicans won those states and they are doing the things they need to stay in power.
Where exactly do u live.
Sad to hear for those going thru it.But until plurality chooses otherwise, it’s going to con’t. I lived in the south for 3 yrs, and I can’t remember how many times I had conversations that felt like the mass mindset (not powerful people) made decisions to their own detriment.
Unless u live in the south- it’s tough for ppl to comprehend. I’ve had so many disagreements w blue state dems that are so stuck in their bubble and just clueless
This is true also. Perspective and nuances can be learned by living in very different communities.