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I’m so sorry, Zack.

I think you'll be hired back in four years

Sort of like taking away your birthday.

Is it legal to retroactively fire someone?

Appeal to MSPB (EEOC if you are in a protected class). Ask OHCS what your rights are (in normal times). I know it means nothing now, but filing within normal deadlines and keeping a record could mean backpay if or when this nightmare is over.

WE WILL FIGHT FOR ALL OF YOU!

So sorry

I like the @maddow.msnbc.com analogy of the #TrumpMuskRegime being like a toddler smashing buttons on a toy without having any idea of what the buttons do. In this case, though, the toy is the dashboard of a patient on life support. #NOAA #TrumpCrimeSyndicate #Kakistocracy

Insanity from our federal government. I’m so sorry for you and the rest of us affected by the loss of services and knowledge.

The USA needs a shadow government with scientists, just saying.

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"Retroactive to February" All I can think of...

This f@*king administration...

I'm so sorry. You don't deserve this.

Fired Not Fired Fired Not Fired Tariffs No Tariffs Tariffs No Tariffs Idiot Genius Idiot Genius Definitely Idiot.

Wut? Retroactive to February???

This is what causes me "climate anxiety", knowing our government is sticking it's head in the sand for $$$.

Seems you'll have a good case in court.

How do you retroactively fire someone, are they trying to claw back everyone’s paychecks??

Fuckers

I am completely at a loss as to how this is all supposed to continue in the USA. It's like being at the arbitrary mercy of someone, of unknown others every day. All the best.

Do you still get paid for your march/April work?

Cruel on top of shortsighted and stupid. Hope you bounce back here or elsewhere, your craft is needed.

I’m so sorry Zack😔😔😔

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Insane. So sorry. Y'all deserve so much better.

Totally undeserved. Sorry Zach…

Please don’t tell me that means you need to give back your salary 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

Despite the grammar of the sentence, I don't think so: "The Department will waive any indebtedness created by the court's order that you be paid beyond your termination date."

Of course, I feel terrible for all the public servants that are currently suffering because of what our electorate chose to do to you, but I am also very nervous that all this turmoil is going to make the federal workforce become even more rightwing as even more liberals may forswear public service.

I hope this gets resolved in your favour v soon Zack. His term will pass

Gee, thanks. I guess?

The fact that this even needs to be said is...well.

I don’t want to do a “they can’t do that” take because they have proven they do what they want bc the law doesn’t apply to them AND this would be very illegal to do in a lot of states with some exceptions but gotta be in a signed handbook etc most times.

What indebtedness? If you worked at your job, then you need to be paid, whether the firing is retroactive or not.

this is BS as states vs. departments still stands... this is illegal

Pure lunacy!

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Jfc that’s awful!

Hurricane season 2025 is gonna be…interesting.

Will the real labor attorneys stand up and represent as it was their last case to be tried. The people of the USA deserve to be treaded with respect.

I’m sorry.😞

Is that legal, retroactive firings? Does that mean you can collect UI since then? @joshuaerlich.bsky.social

This is utter insanity. I am beyond furious at all of this. So sorry you are caught up in the thick of it, Zack.

I am so sorry. This in unconscionable.

Gee. I sure hope we keep getting weather forecasts and shit

Bloodletting and leeches for all!!

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ouch!

I'm betting they double count the savings attributed to DOGE. Each time they re-fire the same people it adds to the cost "reduction." Sounds like the math they are using. i.e. 1+1=3.

Sorry to hear of this, Zack.

OMFG. I don't know you personally but appreciate your work and am so sorry for this happening. I hope you're able to find options and eventually we emerge from this awfulness soon. Just sitting here stunned at this. Ugh is an inadequate word but ... ugh.

I’m assuming the retro date is to fuck with people’s pension eligibilities or benefit levels/vestments? I’m so sorry.

I sent over 15 emails (and phone calls) asking about the status of our health insurance during the last 3+ weeks, and they did not answer me or resolve the situation.

Hey Zach.. Start your own local weather website on FB. Ask people to donate or buy you Coffee.. We have several sucessful local stations that started off small and are now doing quite well. When someone closes a door.......

Could also be to prohibit people whose probationary periods have since ended between their initial firings and now from claiming that they're no longer probationary and therefore the (re-)firing is invalid. 🫤

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Wait, so are they demanding back pay? 🫠

Very unsurprisingly, DOC appears to be the ?first? agency to mass refire.

So were these the probationary employees who were fired and brought back? I’m wondering how many took the DRP being offered at multiple agencies and how that’ll look. I’m a Fire Manager and I took it. I’m done with the headache. I’ll work for the state.

Unfortunately DOC did not offer a DRPv2.0 like other agencies.

That is terrible. Vile people running this crap show. That’s mostly why I’ll take my chances on the outside.

Retroactive firing? Even in a limited country like USA (country which elected Trump twice…), how is it legal or even possible?

Oh and all hail the Librarian!

Your parenthetical is your answer. :/

FFS 🤦 the aren't subtle are they about firing govt workers or the love of fossil fuels Just the Facts: We were all better off with "Woke / DEI" employees that don't crash economies and abandon allies to Russia

We appreciate you and your work, Zack. Came here from @billmckibben.bsky.social’s newsletter.

Thank you!

There is retroactive firing? I’ve only heard it with pay.

I’m sorry man. That just sounds awful.

NOOOO!!! stop firing scientists!!!

So, do you get like firing overtime or something? 🤔

Ugh, I’m so sorry :( this is so stupid.

I'm no fan of clowns, so I wish I could say clowns are running amok in the government, but that would be an insult to the training and commitment clowns go through...

RETROACTIVE?! what does that even MEAN

“Retroactive to February” Does this mean time travel?

What in the actual fuck

What utter evil shit. I'm so damn sorry.

Ugh, that sucks. I'm so sorry.

There are just no words.

what does “retroactive to February” mean? like, do you have to return the pay you received since then?

This is unreal

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WHAT.

I think you should take a job in Europe if you can. You have been doing such great work. They are demolishing most of the climate research structure in the noosphere in the US.

I'm of two minds on it myself. Not looking forward to the consequences of a brain drain. That would leave people like me to do all the heavy lifting and you know how good I am at that! 😂 PS Condolences on what you shared today. 😿 Wish things went better for you all around including...you know. 😳

Good luck, Zack.

WTAF!

Does that mean you have to pay them back for February and March?

Chicken Little, was right all along.

This is awful. I'm so sorry.

Good thing the weather stopped on such a sunny day when they let you go. In all seriousness, I’m really sorry and hopefully as more people take to the streets, we can get this reversed

….Words…. 🤦‍♀️

This administration needs to go!

So sorry.

So sorry! I just found out today that a colleague from NERRS got let go because she got a promotion and was probationary! I am so pissed!!! 🤬🤬🤬

FFS

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

Oh, FFS. I'm sorry, NOAA stranger. Staff don't deserve this. The American people don't deserve this.

FFS. I'm so sorry that you're having to go through this (again). Ugh..

Third times the charm!

14th amendment says they didn't. More lawyers need to be arguing toward the "administration" being illegitimate on its face.

oh I am sorry to read this. 😑

I’m so sorry! Rat bastards!

*Retroactive* firing, on top of everything?

Insult to injury

oh fk them all

Seriously.

Sorry WHAT? How can you fire someone retroactively? That's not just breach of contract for future work, that's straight up theft of payment owed.

yeah you see no laws are being followed there so the administration can absolutely do what it wants

Wait, they fired you today last month?

That fucking sucks...I'm sorry sorry

I'm so sorry you're dealing with this garbage.

Congratulations NOAA exec you spineless cowards.

I’m so sorry. And we will all be sorry when the vital work you all do is gone.

Retroactively fired??? So they stole months of work????

I'm so sorry this is happening to you guys. But wtf is "retroactive firing"? Like, you have to pay back your salary back to February or something?

@nick-carmody.bsky.social 🔥

I'm so sorry, and WTF?!?

I'm so sorry this is happening. You deserve better. We all do, but most especially those who are caught up in this weird farcical fantasy of people who should have done more reading beyond Ayn Rand.

Stupid then, stupider now. I’m so sorry you young smart people are being removed from careers designed to help people. I hope you, and I hope we all, can recover from this.

Alexa play clown music 🤡

I’m so sorry. We are losing too many good people, scientists, and colleagues.

Is that legal?

So sorry, hope you are okay.

Oh no

I'm so sorry. 😡

I’m so sorry. They are corrupt, evil, and messing with lives.

I'm so sorry. Just appalling and cruel, as well as bad for the country.

W. T. A. F.

We need you all So sorry

So so sorry, Zack...

🤬 So sorry. This is a travesty.

What do you mean "retroactive"? Are they debiting your benefits back to February or something? Horrible.

So sorry …! 🤯

I'm so sorry. Just so incredibly stupid and cruel.

Good god!

"Retroactive firing"?????? What are they gonna do, claw back the checks they paid you for the work you did?

omg does that mean they're going to go after your wages and benefits from them to now?? i'm so sorry you're experiencing this. thinking about all my NOAA neighbors here in Silver Spring

😠👿💢😡 insanity...

Oh jeez. I am so sorry. I DID NOT ASK THEM TO GUT NOAA I am really really pissed off.

TRUMP CRIME FAMILY clowns.🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

retroactive to fe "Hey you know what, let's just that forever. We never even hired you. You owe us a ton of money."

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Oh no

Insane

Pffft. I hope you land at a happier place soon. 💪

I'm so sorry Zack. Nobody deserves this back and forth. I hope the litigation works out to get your job back and the jobs of the others who are in this limbo. A terrible, horrible mess.

Doesn’t the military require cutting edge weather reports? Why are they letting this happen?

What a fucking joke

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Retroactive Firing 🧐🤨🤔

Oh no; so very sorry!

Oh god.

‼️ Retroactive to February? What the hell does that even mean?

Ahh, the other idea I just had is that you can't use the time between to make it out of probationary status. Like if you were probationary and fired at 11 months, then came back to work, passed a year, you could say you're not probationary anymore.

Exactly:

I hate this for you all. It is so bullshit.

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Does that mean it takes that time off your length of eligibility for unemployment?

Does it mean you can back claim unemployment benefit?

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Some way of pretending their mass firings weren't stymied the first time around maybe? Whatever, I really do hope some of you are finding places to work, including outside the US. If only to minimize the setback to climate science.

Would be cool of we could crowdfund climate science.

We were.

sounds like they're trying to claw back salary retroactive to a certain date.

I think that's exactly what it means

wrong on so many levels, i encountered a whiff of this when my former employer "surplused" me and i got a letter six months later saying they'd overpaid me commissions to the tune of a few thousand dollars, and i owed it back to them by years' end. (but that wasn't salary, it was at-risk money.)

So wrong.😡

I hope they aren't going to try to steal your pay.

I'm so sorry 😞

dunno but it sounds like wage theft

If we get hit by a major storm without warning, the will retroactively rehire you and then blame you for not doing the job you were fired from again.

Clown show continues.

Git back to work so we can fire yo ass again! 🎃🥭

What!?

I’m really sorry. And mad. What a terrible way to treat people. And what a loss to the whole country

So sorry for you and your loved ones from Tim, the Netherlands

I’m so sorry. A so vital work, NOAA is so important to the world.

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FIRED, for cause, not laid off! Wont show in unemployment numbers as fired people can’t get benefits🤬🤬🤬🤬

Ridiculous 🤬. NOAA is such an important agency.