he's certainly pushed back a lot harder against the actual shit Johnson and Trump are *doing* to fuck us all over. Haven't seen where Jeffries suggested Mamdani is antisemitic; I *did* see him prop up Cuomo's bullshit projection about the rent.
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Well, rent control has been tried in many communities and cities and has HIGHLY variable results. Cuomo may have a point or two,(I don't know what got said), but it's not as if it's a new idea. Longtime Dem policy w highly variable outcomes. Voters rejected it in CA last year.
sep 1, 2025, 5:23 am • 1 0 • view
Ok first of all Cuomo deliberately was conflating rent *control* with rent *stabilization* and we most definitely have it here, I'd be priced out myself if we didn't. Mamdani lives in a rent stabilized apartment, like most of New York. Cuomo says he's too rich to live there.
sep 1, 2025, 5:33 am • 0 0 • view
have stabilization, that is. Cuomo also is pushing what landlords want, to get rid of rent stabilization, but he's trying to make like his own multimillionaire ass is righteously offended by someone earning like 150K living in a $2300 Queens one bedroom.
sep 1, 2025, 5:34 am • 0 0 • view
It was *blatant* horse shit. Just incredibly clumsy and disingenuous, not least because he also conflated that apartment with "low income housing" that a homeless (single? idr) mother would otherwise have. Jeffries lives in NY; he knows better than that.
sep 1, 2025, 5:35 am • 0 0 • view
If he isn't anti-Semitic why would the Jewish community be concerned about him like Jeffries suggests? thehill.com/homenews/cam...
sep 1, 2025, 5:18 am • 0 0 • view
yeh ok the don't-scare-the-horses shit is gross. Look. I think Mamdani's the bee's knees. I think the "denounce the intifada" Islamophobia is horseshit. And, I think there's bad blood over Mamdani not endorsing Harris.
sep 1, 2025, 5:27 am • 1 0 • view
I wish *everyone* would fucking drop it on Mamdani's position on national/international level politics at this point. I wish Jeffries would get over it, yep. And I wish people generally on here could be a bit less bitches eating crackers over Schumer, Jeffries, and "The Dems" generally.
sep 1, 2025, 5:29 am • 0 0 • view
I have a lot of...feelings...re people who abstained myself, tbh. I think Mamdani's talented and an overall good for the party and the country that I don't feel like relitigating, personally. I understand to some degree folks who do, that said. And again, no, *how* Jeffries is doing it isn't ok.
sep 1, 2025, 5:30 am • 0 0 • view
Mamdani voted for Harris. He just didn't go out of his way to campaign for her. This went unnoticed because he was an unknown state legislator in a city Harris easily adult won. It's been brought up after the fact to justify Schumer, Jeffries, Hochul, Gillibrand not supporting him.
sep 1, 2025, 5:36 am • 3 1 • view
You know, I'm gonna have to do my own proverbial research at this point because I keep getting conflicted reports about to what degree and whether he did or didn't and like I said: I personally am not that fussed, *with him.* Gillibrand can eat my entire ass.
sep 1, 2025, 5:41 am • 0 0 • view
Schumer's pissed me off for a number of reasons, not least for basically supporting universities censoring pro Palestinian protesters. That said--ugh, there's a lot here.
sep 1, 2025, 5:45 am • 0 0 • view
There's a lot of Discourse on here right now and it inevitably seems to come back to "are you, or have you ever been, a supporter of Israel" which--not here, I'm just saying I have some context right now?--seems to quickly elide into "throw ALL the bums out" & some rapid descents into horseshoe.
sep 1, 2025, 5:46 am • 0 0 • view
So, yeah, I'm gonna have to come back to this one, sorry. I'll just say this orthogonally: I loathe Newsom with a fiery passion for several good reasons. Do Not Want as POTUS. I'm holding it at the same time as "ok if you can do something to fuck Trump's shit up, I can prioritize." You know?
sep 1, 2025, 5:47 am • 0 0 • view
Schumer and Jeffries are the highest ranking Democrats in the country. That's why the focus is on them. They have the biggest bully pulpits. Look at what Newsom and Pritzker are doing. Why aren't Schumer and Jeffries doing it?
sep 1, 2025, 5:33 am • 0 0 • view
See, he espouses policies that are fine - they are DEM policies all of them. Free transit? Boston. Even fucking BUFFALO. Rent control? Everywhere. But he WILLFULLY led the "leave it blank" movement that meant fascism was NOT A DEAL BREAKER for him. Oh? How then do we TRUST him?
sep 1, 2025, 5:33 am • 3 0 • view
So. My understanding is that leave it blank was for the primaries. Uncommitted, I didn't love, but effectively they endorsed her in all but name by the end. Rightly or wrongly I've been cutting a bit more slack for Muslims and/or people with regional ties. As for trust...
sep 1, 2025, 5:37 am • 1 0 • view
I'm aware I'm simultaneously arguing right this moment for people who can't trust Jeffries and can't trust Mamdani and like. idk. Coalition is a thing. So is timing. So is context. I also think Brad Lander is the bee's knees, a mensch; rightly or wrongly his endorsement kind of sealed my deal.
sep 1, 2025, 5:39 am • 1 0 • view
HIM I like! The fact HE likes Mamdani is one reason I'm open to Mamdani. All easy to say - I live 3000 miles away so, like, who cares what I think? Jeffries shares my revulsion at the way Mamdani did not fight fascism and in fact enhanced it. That said, I would be pissed if Jeffries endorsed Cuomo.
sep 1, 2025, 5:43 am • 2 0 • view
Yeah it does piss me off that people keep saying Jeffries DID endorse Cuomo. I don't see that. I see him being pissy and Not Helping, mainly. I also think people are being entirely too bitches eating crackers over Jeffries, Schumer, and the Dems as a party and a lot of people are being played.
sep 1, 2025, 5:59 am • 2 1 • view
Agreed. He did not endorse anyone. I don't think he LIKES any of them.
sep 1, 2025, 6:16 am • 1 0 • view
Seems like. I think he'd have done better to just keep shtum, tbh. Generally Congressional Dems don't weigh in on a mayoral election, I don't think? Yeah, he's from NY, but you know. "I have to wash my hair, sorry" works if that's where you're at.
sep 1, 2025, 6:18 am • 1 0 • view
😂 Yeah - he should have gone with the shampoo dodge. No, I don't think Congress has ever endorsed mayoral.
sep 1, 2025, 6:25 am • 1 0 • view
It spilled over into the general. Millions who did not vote cited that as a reason. I sure saw NO 'tactical endorsement' from ANY of them. Not one. And here we are - no fight for Palestinians at ALL. So how is this not a DSA "kill liberalism so we can take over" ploy?
sep 1, 2025, 5:44 am • 2 0 • view
I had a big fight with a very good friend over this too, p.s. She's sincerely and deeply passionate about Palestine. It hasn't abated. I also think, and she's probably not the only one, she's kind of made it her entire personality because of yep some discord sowing & displaced personal shit.
sep 1, 2025, 5:54 am • 2 0 • view
Those who fought for Palestine BEFORE all this still are passionate and filled with grief. But one suspects given the abrupt end of demonstrations that it either wasn't genuine and a way to kill liberalism or it's cowardly and fears Trump. I feel for her and Palestinians. REAL genocide now.
sep 1, 2025, 5:58 am • 4 1 • view
Like I'm saying to the other person I'm talking to from the other end right now, I...have a lot of feelings here, lol. I generally lean toward your POV more than not, I think; DSA is a mixed bag but I ragequit when the Chicago branch announced they were gonna try to sink the DNC, for a start.
sep 1, 2025, 5:49 am • 3 1 • view
That said, other person says Mamdani DID vote for her in the end, and since I keep hearing a lot of conflicting messages on to what degree he did or didn't endorse I'm gonna have to do my own proverbial research. I'm: pragmatic. Which is my and I suspect your main beef with the DSA/abstainers.
sep 1, 2025, 5:51 am • 1 1 • view
And I'm 3000 miles away as well. But, I like a LOT of what Mamdani's putting down, policy and campaign. He seems canny, and actually distanced himself a bit from the DSA just lately. And I used to live in NYC, so I'm kibitzing pretty hard. Anyways.
sep 1, 2025, 5:52 am • 0 0 • view
I'm from Buffalo. He's OK on issues. I've fought for them all one time or the next. They're Dem concerns. But it's too late to distance himself from DSA that is really hard core elitist, and very racist, anti diversity.
sep 1, 2025, 6:00 am • 0 0 • view
Yup. Pragmatic to the core. No grand idea is worth a thing if you can logically and humanely implement it.
sep 1, 2025, 6:01 am • 2 1 • view
elsewhere I was talking on someone else's feed who is VERY irate about what appears to be a DSA plank to the effect of "getting rid of USAID is Good, Actually, because U.S. imperialism," iow, the tankie faction won out in there somewhere. Someone came into the thread defending that take.
sep 1, 2025, 6:04 am • 3 0 • view
and I said basically the same thing, re her saying there were questions about whether getting rid of USAID "would" be worse, and like: lady. There's no "would." People are literally dying *right now* by the hundreds of thousands or more. If your ideology matters more than that, fuck your ideology.
sep 1, 2025, 6:05 am • 2 2 • view
🤦♀️
sep 1, 2025, 6:07 am • 1 0 • view
I was with them in the 70s as DSoc. That was their goal from the start. It's the old Thalmass view: burn it down, we, DSA, will fix it. Yeah - 85,000 members, ZERO accomplishments anywhere, and yet THEY will 'save us'. 🤦♀️
sep 1, 2025, 6:03 am • 4 2 • view
idk Thalmass, btw
sep 1, 2025, 6:37 am • 1 0 • view
Well, that's because I misspelled it. Ernst Thalmann, 1930s head of the German KPD, the communist party. He would not oppose Hitler and said, "After Hitler, us." Then Hitler rounded them all up. Didn't work out well. And yet, this is the DSA policy! Burn it down. We will fix it. Oh, sure.
sep 1, 2025, 6:40 am • 0 0 • view
ah gotcha.
sep 1, 2025, 6:41 am • 1 0 • view
🙄 Someone explained it to me succinctly as, basically the good ones went over to the Dems to continue pushing from the left that way, of which I approve. Which leaves over a lot of tankies and other dead enders. That said, I've met some chill people still in it.
sep 1, 2025, 6:06 am • 1 0 • view
"I voted for her, canvassed for her, but I'm still really angry at her and the party" I mean, that's fine, an angry vote is still a vote, you know? But, he allowed as to how even our local branch is about half and half "support while pushing the Dems" "set them on fire."
sep 1, 2025, 6:08 am • 2 0 • view
Well, this "pushing Dems Left" leaves me cold. I did CA single payer for 6 years w a superb Dem Senator. Arnold vetoed it each time. But it worked, just couldn't pay for it well. Every "left" person trying it elsewhere has failed. Bern's sucked BIG time. So...who's "left"? Smarts matter more.
sep 1, 2025, 6:29 am • 1 0 • view
eh, I still like AOC. Bernie...yeah, I have thoughts and feelings, many of them less than charitable. I thought he brought something important to the Discourse as a rabble rouser back in 2010 or so. He's still doing the same spiel, he's stuck in 1934 or so, and he doesn't play well with others.
sep 1, 2025, 6:31 am • 0 0 • view
Yep but it's weird people complain about uncommitted. They were protesting within the Democratic Party. And that was against Biden, not Harris. The voters are blamed for Biden and then Harris ignoring them. Israel's war has 8% support among Democrats. Democrats chose Netanyahu, paid the price.
sep 1, 2025, 5:42 am • 0 0 • view
Jeffries isn't the Pope of Jews. In fact, he's Baptist.
sep 1, 2025, 5:54 am • 3 0 • view
I mean yeah overall it's been Christians who've been going balls out for the old line Dem position on Israel, circumstances be damned, mostly on account of there's a lot more of them.
sep 1, 2025, 5:57 am • 1 0 • view
And despite his ties to the liberationist Black church, he gets trashed for BEING a Baptist. Nobody's happy w what they do not understand.
sep 1, 2025, 5:59 am • 5 2 • view
Yep. That's something I've been hesitating to say but: yep. Contest. Schumer is a Jewish Boomer and yeah so is Sanders but Sanders is in frigging Vermont. Jeffries is Black, and a lot of people have been giving him shit for things they don't understand--"God's on His Throne" is *not* "be passive"
sep 1, 2025, 6:01 am • 3 1 • view
"context" not contest
sep 1, 2025, 6:02 am • 1 0 • view
and yeah by and large it's a lot of white people who don't even go to this shul who've been going OFF about "Zionism" and it makes me *really* itchy. There's a continuum, let's say. But also on here especially, you never know who's real and who's just stirring shit up.
sep 1, 2025, 6:02 am • 1 0 • view
When he speaks "God is on His Throne" it's a signal to remember that people will be strong enough for the fight. White people have to know the history to understand the message. Black Church isn't your passive white oppressive experience. Mmm. NOT at all!
sep 1, 2025, 6:15 am • 7 2 • view
yeah, I flashed to the Staple Singers doing "Wade in the Water." I think a lot of people just heard the abusive right wing church they grew up in. I get it, but. If you want to be in coalition. History. It's a thing.
sep 1, 2025, 6:16 am • 3 0 • view
I'm so happy to see this discussion. It's become a strange world, indeed, when I am the one defending religion and going to church. Yet I do it a lot. Partly because I admire Black churches and the central role they've had for generations of people living with some hideous truths.
sep 1, 2025, 8:06 am • 4 2 • view
I'd far rather spend time/ally with progressive churchgoers than New Atheists. Reverend Warnock or Bill Maher? What to do, what to do.
sep 1, 2025, 8:14 am • 4 1 • view
Definitely Warnock for me! No cynicism, no preaching either. Solid commitment to justice and inclusiveness. And very funny to boot.
sep 1, 2025, 8:29 am • 2 0 • view
yeah, he's great. I hope he can keep that seat! This environment should help. "Should" being the operative word. Ossoff seems pretty good also?
sep 1, 2025, 8:32 am • 2 0 • view
They were and are incredibly powerful in upholding the lives and rights of their communities. I've worked w a lot of them on health care particularly, and they are powerhouses on issues like that. Civil rights, human rights, it doesn't matter. They are THERE. They are also great fun!
sep 1, 2025, 8:13 am • 1 1 • view
I think also non religious folk--I mean this is an endemic issue, none of us can just snap fingers and solve it--are generally hurting for a lack of a (non online) third space. I'd love cafe society but everyone on their phones at Starbucks (closed at 7) is not gonna be the vibe.
sep 1, 2025, 8:16 am • 3 1 • view
I wonder how long an "open late" cafe with all electronics but e-books banned would survive? Would people actually TALK with strangers? Used to have a coffee place w artists and cops that was remarkably social and welcoming. People DID talk to one another. Not sure why that worked so well but it did
sep 1, 2025, 8:23 am • 3 1 • view
That's a really good point. People hang onto congregations as community. We've tried "church without walls" that SORT of works, but having secular safe space w conversation and interaction is hard to find. Someone either wants you to draft an 'action plan' or has music that makes you gag. 🙄
sep 1, 2025, 8:21 am • 1 1 • view
I do policy education and grassroots mobilization for a VERY liberal faith organization. Four denominations are historic Black Churches. Lived and worked in Black communities and learned a lot about their brilliant self-direction, but the Churches added layers to that!
sep 1, 2025, 6:20 am • 4 1 • view
I grew up secular Jewish, experimented a bit with Buddhism and neo paganism and as progressive synagogues as I could find before deciding mostly I'm not feeling most of it; but then landed at UU.
sep 1, 2025, 6:36 am • 4 1 • view
UU used to be part of my organization, but we helped them spin off to their own. Mostly good folks though often very cranky people. My folks were UU so I remember that well! 😂
sep 1, 2025, 6:42 am • 2 0 • view
lol well I'm cranky people too so that works out :P our branch is more diverse and younger than others I'd previously tried out. And yes, mostly good folks. A lot of people like you'll find on here, for better and for worse.
sep 1, 2025, 6:43 am • 3 0 • view
I keep urging lefties to watch Prof. Gates' "The Black Church" 2-part special on PBS. It's transformative. The Black Church was and is a liberation base. Only place Black people could learn to READ during slavery. It's not a passive, wimpy place. Oh, some, mostly POWERFUL! Led EVERY social movement.
sep 1, 2025, 6:11 am • 6 3 • view
btw, and maybe it's just proof of he's *really* good at code-switching, but I saw a short speech by Mamdani in front of an AME congregation in NY and I was pretty blown away. Cited Scripture, succinct but on point.
sep 1, 2025, 6:14 am • 2 0 • view
We'll see.
sep 1, 2025, 6:26 am • 1 0 • view
Indeed.
sep 1, 2025, 6:33 am • 0 0 • view