okay but sex are you if have ovaries and a penis? what if you have a vagina and a penis but don’t produce gametes? what if you produce both sets of gametes?
okay but sex are you if have ovaries and a penis? what if you have a vagina and a penis but don’t produce gametes? what if you produce both sets of gametes?
The rules of this game are "name the actual medical condition" or we will just assume you are making things up.
let’s say you’re an androgen insensitive individual. you don’t produce gametes (iirc typically infertile) but while you have testicles your body looks externally female since your cells don’t respond to testosterone. what is this individual’s sex?
This is a complex medical condition, but if you are completely androgen insensitive then you body will develop as female - you are female.
Why? That would not follow from your claims about what sex means
Because when we talk about having a male or female **body** then it depends on how your body developed, doesn't it? Male of female phenotype.
You are one of those quacks that doesn't think intersex people exist, aren't you
Oh there are people with conditions that some call "intersex". I fully agree. But they are still male or female. There are also quiet a lot of people on the Internet who pretend to be intersex - it is a fashionable identity.
For someone so tangled up in a lot of failed reading comprehension you sure seem confident you know everything. I'm a software engineer and even I can tell the claims you are making are a full misunderstanding of the paper you linked and the thread & replies. You are way over your skis bub.
Please be specific about what I have misunderstood. Explain it to me or I can assume you are talking bullshit.
Multiple people already have
He says like multiple people haven’t repeatedly explained what he has misunderstood and covered his ears and said “nonono”
No one has explained. They have made incorrect assertions without any evidence from the papers that I am wrong. Quote the papers - explain why I am wrong that only two discrete sexes have evolved.
So you agree that it’s not only gametes! Congrats on coming around to the scientific truth
Male and female are defined with respect to a gamete type. There are two developmental pathways for your body - one is associated with eggs- the female body type; the other is associated with sperm- the male body type. This is not hard. But I appreciate how hard you are working not to understand.
But you just defined an androgen insensitive person as female for reasons other than gamete type. Such people do not generally produce large gametes.
No their body is the type associated with eggs -even though they cannot produce eggs.
…so you agree it’s not about gametes, it’s about having a handful of traits associated with a dimorphic sex binary
It is about having a phenotype associated with a gamete type. That is what we mean when we say an organism has a sex. Do you want me to repeat that again?