Right? This is the same guy who's solution to homelessness is death marches where they have to move camp every three days. This dude has declared war on the homeless and yet for some reason gets a pass. I wish Dems would learn that the enemy of you enemy is often times just another enemy.
Well understood. Unfortunately we are left with few options when forced to choose between red and blue. Show right now all that matters is getting the authoritarians out of power. We can start dealing with things we don’t like once the boots are off our necks.
Not sure how so became show. Woops
#Troll, Irrelevant.
Citation on your assertion about his homeless policy. What I have read doesn’t match up.
Not the time please. Right now the US, and the world for that matter has a bigger threat...Trump and MAGA. Hold your criticism of Gavin Newsom for now coz he's on a great mission and other Democrats with guts should join him. Period. Nobody is perfect but some things can't be overlooked.
I’m sorry but you’re not gonna get a perfect Dem nominee. If Newsom represents the best option to beat Republicans in 2028 then you better believe I’m gonna support him. And this is the line of thinking that ALL Dem supporters need to follow.
There are no perfect candidates. Some, like the Orange Buffoon are just worse than others. We have to find and support the best Democrat we can.
Me too
Me too
Agree. But the real battle we have to fight is against the 3rd party tantrum-pers who will use ANY EXCUSE to fuck over the Dem nominee. Their purity test to declare a "conscience vote" ( which allows them to sleep at night despite their choice being the cause of US deaths under fascist rule)
my governor is not getting a pass. many of us know he's an asshole. do you want him to stop fighting, & inspiring others to fight>? who but a handful are out there loud & effective>? go offer yourself up for the fight we're losing. at least he's out there fighting.!
Purists lost us 2024. Fuck purists. Dems have big house
How so? The numbers simply don't back that up. 2024 has one of the highest voter turnouts ever. Stop blaming a tiny majority when literally 60% of yt dudes voted. Those who voted for the 🤡 are the problem not the ones who said "can we have no genocide maybe?" DNC wants the GOP, good for fundraising
Right now you’re the enemy.
Then continue to support MAGA.
To be fair the California government has been pushing hard on the housing problem, much to the chagrin of do-nothing city governments. But that's a really slow "solution to homelessness", so yeah, the death march isn't a great short-term solution.
Triangulation gives a certain caste of liberal a hardon. They -like- the homeless-bashing. Not on its merits, but its optics. They -like- the refusal to be principled, and prefer candidates and leaders who will dump their principles at the slightest political inconvenience. To them, it’s a strength
Trump. Eye on the ball, friend.
Serious concerns you mention. But we have far more serious threats facing us right now!!! LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE BUDDY!!
And that type of thinking is why the Democrats lost the 2024 election and why we lost the Senate and why we lost the House. People like you think there is an ideal Progressive choice.
Exactly! Democrats are always held to some unattainable standard of perfection, while Republicans aren't. ENOUGH ALREADY! This is why Harris lost and Trump won. STOP REPEATING THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
blaming random users on twitter for losing an election is so pathetic. I think you're confused so let me explain: you win elections by winning them, not whining about them.
"Thinking that my cult can do better than pushing soulless scumfucks is why we keep losing."
Whether or not there is an ideal choice, you're a moron if you think Newsome is a good choice. Your thinking is why Dems lose. You assume that good enough for you is good enough for anyone else, and treat people warning you of a candidate's obviously fatal flaws early on as disloyalty.
You lost because the baseline was to stop a genocide.Keep demanding nothing keep getting blue fascists.
yeah, look at those Republicans they welcome anyone no matter what he said or did as long as he’s swinging a white dick
This. It is maddening how profoundly tunnel-visioned so many supposedly woke intelligent people are. I utterly give up. Our education system has failed us repeatedly and this utter stupidity is the result.
Our education system has failed us, people are demanding the lowest moral standards possible of my masters, which is stupid for some reason.
The primary election is in 3 years. There is plenty of time to find a candidate who isn’t already compromising to the far right and who believes in a basic standard of human rights. You already give up? Good, get out of the way, then.
Nah we just read history and know that abandoning the civil rights of minorities isn’t actually politically expedient. The ONLY way to beat fascism is coalition. Harris lost because she abandoned Arab/left voters in favor of chasing phantom MAGA votes. Newsom will lose too. Primary someone better
I 100% support Newsom’s efforts here, fighting MAGA. He’s the fighter we need. But he ain’t the president we need. We need someone who unites everyone who isn’t MAGA, not someone who platforms Nazis like Newsom did with Bannon and Kirk in order to chase Nazi votes. Read about Weimar.
And why we lost in 2016 to begin this whole sad and destructive chapter. The purists and single-issue voters never learn. How are those progressive goals faring?
"I think its bad that Newsom wants to murder homeless people" You, for some reason: "these progressive purists are going too far!"
For some reason? I was responding to @dj-cj.bsky.social. We lived through 2016 and every iteration since of then of the perfect being the enemy of the good and look where it’s gotten us. I support those vocally fighting fascism, which is currently killing millions worldwide.
Personally I don't think I'm requiring perfection of my representatives if I say that it is bad that they murder homeless people
☝️ This, this, this and this ☝️ Like the Bernie supporters who stayed home because "Hillary was mean to him". Purity tests lose elections. (and I love Bernie and believe wholeheartedly in his vision for a just, progressive society)
"Purity tests lose elections." You should get your cult to stop purity testing people's loyalty and just have them run someone who isn't a monster that people actually want to vote for
Oh shut the fuck up. Democrats lost because they fucking suck and don’t achieve shit.
I was on your side until I watched these establishment morons try to promote and rehab Chris Cuomo a fucking sex pest. You blue maga fucks are just as bad as maga.
It really is not
The Democrats lost the 2024 election because Musk rigged the voting machines. Trump said it at a rally. Try again.
You are the reason Dems lost the 2024 election and why you continue to lose elections to republicans. Because you insist on nominating horrific and bigoted candidates and then whine when minorities who are harmed by said candidates don’t come out to vote for them. Do better.
Thats the problem with the MAGA Repubs and the Democratic parties; either side MUST ALWAYS vote for some 1 within their own party. Even if they are the worst thing to vote for
You're half right. Harris wasn't horrific or bigoted. The whines were about "but Gaza". It's because too many Americans are selfish entitled morons who think if someone once said something they disagree with then they refuse to vote for that person even if they are clearly the wiser choice.
Fucking selfish entitled morons thinking Palestinians aren't subhuman and okay to sacrifice to your genocider.
I voted for Harris, but she lost. It would be truly insane to repeat this failure, by abandoning MORE voters and chasing phantom MAGA defectors. Newsom can’t win without the votes of the people he’s betraying. Coalition is the only way out, not abandoning each demographic in turn. We win together
There is nothing “wise” about voting for Newsom. And there is nothing selfish, entitled or moronic about not wanting to vote for a bigot.
Right! The left tends to completely cancel anyone with even a single opinion they dont agree. This isnt a zero sum game and Newsom is the only one truly fighting back against Trump.
Can't a guy brutalize homeless people and agree with nazis about a minority without those hysterical leftists cancelling him?
Your solutions to complex problems are simplistic and always involve taxing the wealthy as the ultimate solution that will solve everything which can't be the catch-all solution. Newsome isn't perfect, he's made mistakes, but he's the only one pushing a viable plan so cut him some slack.
Taxing the rich to pay for housing works a hell of a lot better as a solution to homelessness than subjecting the unhoused to state violence, what in the fuck are you saying?
Homelessness is not a simple solution. Many choose to live outside of the system due to mental health issues and/or drug addiction. I cut slack here..
This is the always and forever argument about half-loaves and blue no matter who. You feel brave and stern parroting it. A grown up. The issue has never been purity. I am absolutely ok if Newsom’s views don’t align fully or even mostly with mine.
What I’m not ok with, is political hacks. People who abandon politically inconvenient positions and then later repudiate them. People who prevaricate about their beliefs in order to keep votes. And the reason I’m not ok with it, is not morality or purity. It’s because voters despise inauthenticity
Time and again we elect leaders who we -know- are pretending to believe something they don’t in order to shore up political support. And that kind of politics works well on the small stage, sure. But in the big leagues it has failed, time and time again. Voters smell it, and are disgusted by it
Agree with this! He’s made some poor choices, but I’ll forgive him if he can save America.
And at least his name isn’t on every page of the Epstein Files.
How nice of you to forgive him on behalf of trans people and homeless people that he's harmed.
C’on now. Not what I meant. Clearly.
He's not made poor choices, he's literally full on pro AI deregulation which includes companies like Palantir that have explicit missions to hurt humans using AI.
No one one person can save this country.
No, but damn we need a leader
Then be a leader.
What! Of the Dems ?
He hasn't said that only he can save America, that was lügentrump. He's said we have to do this together. But one person can stir up and ignite the fire in us to fight back. That's #MyGovernorNewsom Demon trump fanned the ember hatred & racism in some to full flame to win.
I didn't say or infer that he (Newsom) said it.
This right here. It takes community, literally from the ground up just like Bernie said, starting it locally and working your way up all through each state. We are so complacent that we only dream of one *perfect* person to pick up the banner and do all of the fucking work for us.
Right. And the "one perfect person" is always a lie.
Save us? From ourselves. This is because we didnt execute enough confederates and then we let their granddaughters build statues to them. America has always had this problem. Newsom won't fix a damn thing.
Nicely put.
"I'll forgive the harms he's done to other people so long as my comfort will be preserved"
If?
It’s not your rights he’ll trample on so you don’t care. You don’t give a shit about trans rights. That’s why you’re willing to give him slack. You guys didn’t care about Palestinian lives either. This is why you lose.
Typical arrogant centrist white dude take. “Your solutions are simplistic,” he says, as he pushes a simplistic solution himself: vote for any Dem running against Trump. That already happened with Biden, who was a huge failure and cared more about aiding genocide than aiding people in the US.
“Cut him some slack” is a statement reserved for people who don’t go after trans people, who don’t forcibly displace those living in extreme poverty, who don’t kick people off Medí-Cal, who don’t kill universal healthcare while having a supermajority in the legislature. Newsome is a fucking tool.
I agree we have to follow Newsome for now as he’s the only motherfucker doing anything. Even though he has a shitty past, even at the beginning of this presidency in those stupid podcasts.
JB Pritzker is right fucking there dude.
What's the problem with taxing the wealthy again?
I don't see any problem with it at all. We should be doing it. They should be taxed as fairly as we are. They should have all of their loopholes closed. And yeah they're the same loopholes that I take advantage of when I can. Close them. But it is not a single solution that will fix our problems.
It will fix most of them. Wages and housing are next.
How are basic human rights for trans people a “complex problem”? And how is declaring war on homeless people a “viable plan”?
🎯💯
Nope.
No, the reason the democrats keep losing is because corporate shills keep pushing policies that are unpopular with the American people. The American people rejected them. I am sick and tired of seeing people blame the progressives when they hold zero power and have fielded no presidential candidates
The people you are defending lost in 2016, they lost in 2024, and if it weren’t for covid, they would have lost in 2020. They hold all of the power in the party, which means that they bear all of the responsibility for failure. Not the handful of progressive representatives.
Your candidates keeps losing, and you keep blaming progressives. The American people don’t like them. They didn’t like hillary, they didn’t like biden, they didn’t like biden, and frankly, they don’t like gavin newsom. Biden only won because people rejected trump due to covid failures.
An obvious failure Trump has been at many levels. Economically _and socially. He doesn't give a damn who he kills off. COVID and cuts to healthcare!
They didn't like Hillary because the GOP spent 30 years dragging her through the mud.. She was stained from the get-go. I've seen more people like Biden than like anybody, even people that didn't like Obama liked Biden.
The data begs to differ. He had to pull out specifically because of how badly he was polling after what can only be described as the worst debate performance in American history. Nobody was energized to vote for Biden. Not even the democrats, who should have been locked in at that point.
He alienated many mainstream voters, and he alienated his own party. And why wouldn’t he? As a candidate he was barely functional. As a president, he helped facilitate a genocide, and could barely push for an infrastructure bill. That was his crowning achievement. A neutered infrastructure bill.
Lets be clear: I’ll take an innefextual lame duck president over Trump any day of the week. But historically? He’ll only be remembered as obama’s vice president, and the guy who stood in the middle of the two(?)Trump presidencies. He was a conceited fool who may have list us American Democracy.
I agree with you 100% on some of this. The reason and the only reason that the DNC ran Biden because they were trying to recapture the Obama years and this was the only way to do it. No matter how many better candidates that we had, that was what the DNC insisted on doing and they hold the purse.
That's where I'm at with him. No, he's FAR from perfect. But he's so much better than what we have NOW...
He doesn't have a viable plan other than "make me president or else"
Tax rich is a fair economic solution. Not a ALL fairness solution. You can have a racist white president that taxes rich. Of course nothing is perfect. Tldr of your idea is: devil president is better than a devil lord. USA kinda suck huh.🤣 dont even a 'kind' candidate.
Simplistic or not, taxing the wealthy would do much, housing and energy costs getting addressed would also do much.
There is an ideal choice that doesn't include someone that simps for tech bros, doesn't believe in the rights of some citizens, and has failed black people in his state, consistently, giving Newsom any credit is saying you're absolutely OKAY with people being discriminated against too. Stop playing.
Who exactly? No one else seems to actually stand up to trump.
Preferably not a guy getting paid by the same tech bros.
Literally anyone else that is more aligned with working class people and not specifically aligned with silicon valley.
Who though? I dont see anyone else standing up to trump in remotely the same fashion. Biden was backed by the establishment but was infinitely better than Trump.
THE SAME SUPER VILLAINS ARE BEHIND BOTH OF THOSE PEOPLE'S SUCCESS WHAT IS NOT REGISTERING
This hypothetical is moot, they're literally backed by some of the same interests whose only interest is profiteering off of algorithmic human and nature destruction to build super weapons and rockets.
You either don't know enough about him to realize it's just a different more polite masked monster, or you do realize he is just a different more polite masked monster and are openly for that.
Just say ' I like that he is also a monster, we need a monster to fight the monster right now. '
This isn't rocket science, he's literally back by some of the same would-be oligarchs.
There are so many people protesting every day, standing up to Trump, all organized by thousands across the country and you can only think of one white man with a slick haircut and a paid-for smile? One who spent the better part of this year pandering to the man you say he’s “standing up” to now?
Well, The floor is wide open, Newsom is the only one legitimately standing up and fighting back. The entire democrat party has been sitting on their hands. If there was someone, anyone else really doing remotely the same thing I'd be happy to support them but for now its Gawsom or no one.
What a shit situation for our country to be in, you say legitimately standing up and fighting back and yet he's allowing one of the very threats to democracy in ( it is the AI tech bros / favoritism in the elite class). you say that other Dems aren't doing anything, that's just not true either.
Plenty of progressive Dems are being overlooked, I don't have to do the work for you, and GN is the corporate/establishment pick of the 'sit-on-hands' crowd, up to you how you want to process and parse that info, but he's not 'the one' he isn't Neo, and he is questionable and not beyond reproach.
My point is there is only one person standing up to Trump with any sort of effect right now. There is a reason you cant name drop literally anyone else.
The reason it your commentary seems manipulative in a way as to make me purge the names I think are better, I have, just not with you, because I think you're a bad faith actor.
I owe you nothing, you get nothing, good day.
I've stumbled into a weird part of BlueSky apparently. This leftists caused Trump narrative is philosophically confused. Not white men? Not blue corporate politics? It was leftists. Are they sure about that? Leftists what, voted Trump more than Kamala or something? God.
Democracy is on the line. Purity isn't a luxury. Newsom gets the heat but most Democrats, including governors, are nowhere to be seen as Trump tries to seize autocratic powers!
Exciting candidates win elections. Mediocre incumbents lose them. Newsom is a great attack dog, but mediocre on policy and results. He won't fix enough, he won't improve enough, and idiots will try out the fascists again after he serves four years.
There’s a big difference between an ideal progressive choice and a choice who is even a slight bit progressive. Someone who won’t compromise on civil rights to win an election. We aren’t striving for ideal, but we expect basic principles.
Mistakes were made for sure. But living in the past isn’t the way.
Give me a break. We need someone who is pushing back on Trump in a loud way or else we are lost. Who else is there? Buttigieg? I doubt it the guy Clooney likes? Absolutely not. Harris? Please god no. AOC? maybe if she joins with a Newsome. But let's not get bogged down Right now ITS BIGGER THAN THAT
I guess it depends on which enemy is worse
Are you saying any RepubliCONS are a better choice if Newsom wins the Democratic primary?
He's saying there are good reasons to hope Newsom doesn't win the primary. You don't have to start compromising your values yet, it's not time for "vote blue no matter who". It's not too late to strive for better.
WTF???? YES. IT IS TOOOOO LATE!!!
I agree but when we do choose we all have to be behind that candidate 100%
What do you think we should do to help the homeless? I’ve thought about it and I can’t figure out the perfect plan.