This is no time to go high. If GOP states redraw maps, then Democratic states should redraw maps. Give the same energy. They will never play fair or by the rules. Ever.
This is no time to go high. If GOP states redraw maps, then Democratic states should redraw maps. Give the same energy. They will never play fair or by the rules. Ever.
Absolutely 💯
How about we do away with drawing maps altogether?
When they go low, stomp on their throats
They never have Jess
It’s as good as done. No more chances for a criminal GOP ring of pedos & fascists. "Gloves off, America🇺🇸” From "Elbows up, Canada🇨🇦”
For the past 40 years,Dems have unilaterally disarmed in the battle to defend our democracy.I question whether the current Dem leadership has the will or strategy to rearm for the fight.Yet, history teaches us that with bold leadership and the will of patriots political tides can turn in an instant.
Democrats need to abandon the niceness of the last 20 years and start paying with the same coin.
Don’t bring a knife to a AK-15 fight.
Agreed. Clutching the pearls would be dangerous and ridiculous.
The GOP must be obliterated for the party of treasonous pedophiles that they are.
Democratic states should just do it now. No waiting to see you at the other side does.
California requires a law change. We have an independent council that draws districts to prevent party gerrymandering.
Time for a change then
Agreed, I'm just saying I see so many posts stating Newsom should order it, but California was expecting the rest of the nation to follow this fairness. The governor can not do it by decree, as us voters wanted to prevent partisan crap.
Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. There are exceptions. This would seem the perfect exception as we already know, Republicans don’t care about the blind, the poor; anyone in need. They only care about the wealthy and apparently, by their recent actions, protecting Pedos and felons.
So long as the pedos and felons share their mindset and have something they want or need. For example, They only helped Eric Adams bcuz he could give them what they needed: control of NYC immigration processes.
Never!!!
Exactly! We - Dems have to recognize the Republican Party will respond to Dems playing “by the fair rules” by finding new and dirtier ways to not play fair. We need to meet that energy, change our game & beat them at theirs.
Doing nothing gives advantage to the GOP. We must respond in kind.
I agree now. Redraw the damn Congressional district maps every 5 years if that’s what MAGA GOP starts! Every state, every 5 years! Do not wait for a 10-year census. 😡
Exactly! You can't reason with the unreasonable or evil in this case.
That's why everyone needs to stop paying taxes and start boycotting businesses.
This will prove the Dems are just the other wing of the bird. They will never do the right thing. Ever.
Seems to me when they redistribute maps in purple states we may win the us senate and congress but we loose the state. For now it maybe necessary but the battle will still rage in the individual states Coming from Texas we need a national common sense solution. Take away the loopholes
There is no way to do that. We have no leverage. I think what is making Democrats so unpopular is their unwillingness to meet the moment.
It’s crazy. DEMs never once in history has redrawn to their benefit. Cheating REPs
If blue sates don't redraw their maps, democrats will lose. It's that simple. Democrats have to stop playing the nice guy.
And SCOTUS might undercut VRA protections
The only way the Extreme Court puts an end to gerrymandering is if we do it better than the gop.
Absolutely 💯💯💙
I don’t understand why this position is controversial
Why wait? We are fighting for the soul of a nation. After everything they’ve thrown down? Do it EITHER WAY. No “if”.
They never have played by the rules. When they cant win that way they make death threats. If those dont work they kill their fellow citizens.
Dems gerrymander as much as possible while pushing as many lawsuits on the Republicans as possible. Fix this after they win.
Agreed.
and don't WAIT! If they wait, to do it as a reaction, the rotten crew might come up with something to stop them. What then? No, they need to start being PROactive.... for a CHANGE!!!
“The gloves must come off or they will fix the game “…
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they've been screwing us over since the 1940s when the prevented USA from getting universal healthcare
You know the democrats held the house and senate through the 80’s. The GOP had nothing to do with spending up til then.
You're saying Reagan in 80s had "nothing to do with spending." That's completely false. I remember very well.
He's old and had the trumplcon disease!
That would be great, two people that have accomplished nothing. I’m sure they would claim to go after the rich while flying around in private jets.
Reagan worked with Tip O’Neil. Times were different and crossing the isle was ok. Still the democrats held the purse strings.
Right, there was more collaboration. Plus that's when many of the Democrats were "Dixiecrats," so more like Republicans. Reagan pushed through huge tax cuts and big increases in defense spending. Dems held their ground at not allowing the big Medicare and Social Security Cuts Reagan pushed for. 🤷
They’re sociopaths, psychopaths, or have NPD Narcissistic Personality Disorder, etc Understand mental illnesses and you’ll better understand what you’re dealing with. youtu.be/qbFBOAmmu7Y?...
Mirror the GOP! What can they say?
Truth be told! It must be done…Dems redraw those maps! No longer regard what’s bipartisan, there is no reason to play fair because the evil, corrupt, hateful💩GOP will never play fair!🤬
You'll notice she isn't say8ng that now.
If Republican states redraw the maps, you can be sure that @schumer.senate.gov will get right to work drafting up a strongly worded letter!
Yep. That's all Schumer is capable of. 🤣
Fuck going high….that’s why we are in this pickle.
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For sure!
Republicans long ago made winning their one and only, wet dream object of desire. Forget justice, freedom, equality, conscience, norms, laws. Clue: When winning is the absolute aim, that’s normally called war. So much winning.
CA is doing it, and will out-seat Texas. New York and Illinois are considering the same.
California won’t. Dems talk but don’t follow through. We are far past the Cold War between the parties. One is launching missiles and the other is saying “we’ll launch missiles too but only after their missiles land and prove without a doubt that they are missiles.”
Betcha they will. Newsom is the first emerging face of the New Democrats, who will actually stand up to fascism. I didn't think they existed but apparently they do. The old guard just has to move aside.
I hope you are right but I’m tired of being let down.
Agreed. End his reign of terror.
Agree. Admit know little about redistricting but I think we do it aggressively and now.
We need to play the same game, taking the high road will not work anymore
Is it not obvious that the Dems don't give a shit? if they cared about winning, we wouldn't have to tell them to do this. You really believe they're just that principled?
I get this (and don't necessarily disagree), but then when does it end? This feels like an escalation toward catastrophe.
I think that ship has sailed.
Exactly. I want them to fight where they can, however they can. It's way past time to be going high. Time to fight back. They're smarter too.
People keep talking about how the GOP doesn't play by the rules so neither should the Dems. Do you people not understand that the rules have simply changed and the Dems haven't caught up? Rules for things change. A lot of you watch sports and fucking know this.
after that, almost all house of representative races everywhere in the country will become meaningless and predetermined. voting for a house member will become a futile act if you are the 'wrong party' in a particular district. what then, what is the logical conclusion?
Republicans only win by cheating and lying. Dems too slow to give up reaching across the aisle and statesmanship. Biden was the last to do it. Get over it and take the gloves off now. I never wanted Dems to act like them but I’m over it.
(Metaphorically speaking): When you're in a street fight, pick up a rock.
If the rewriting of lines under GOP, I elect the first person to adopt 0% gerrymandering. Ranked choice is the only choice. Screw both these political parties.
It's definitely time to 🛑 farting around and get OUR act together!... Look where being the "Good Guys" have gotten us! 😡
And. EPSTEIN
Absolutely correct!
Yup!
The days of following rules are over for now. If the Republicans win the midterms, the nation will never recover. It will take decades to fix the damage that has already been done, if it can be fixed.
They don't just rig Presidential elections. MoscowMitch, LadyG didn't 'win' either. You have to face Dems allow rigged elections.
I never claimed they didn't. Generally, the party is spineless and likes to kneecap viable candidates that don't fully tow the line like AOC when she ran initially and Mamdani now.
I concur. Flood the zone.
I say do it now ! They’ve been doing it for years. Let’s not keep being victimized when we have choices. Do it !
100% agree. They also need to be watched for purging voter rolls. The vote should be verified. They will try every trick.
But we have to work across the aisle like we always do.
It's past time to punch back! If they steal 5 seats, we steal 15. We have to punch harder
Steal 15 anyway. If they realize that the Dems can steal more, perhaps they will support legislation that ends this. They only understand power never decorum or norms.
Who cares about high and low at this point. Just aim for the sensitive areas and take out this party of child raping, criminal treason weasels.
Never mind "if"... they should start the process now.
Facts!
When they go low, make them go lower by kicking them in the balls
Hope so
Fair is fair—if GOP states redraw maps aggressively, Democratic states should respond in kind to keep the balance.
GOP are so desperate!!!
The whole concept of "going high" comes from a place of privilege. When you can afford to take the moral high ground because you're not fighting for basic human rights. When the deck isnt stacked against you by a rigged system. When the other side still operates in reality and not a cult group think
And Starlink must be avoided for all transfers of election data.
We were purposely taken Off of paper ballots because They can't be Altered Like Electronic Machines Have Been Proved Hackable ! "You won't have to vote Ever again..we fixed it so Good" dj Dipshit.
Tell that to Schumer & Jeffries since they're too cowardly to go low
I say even if they don’t do anymore gerrymandering, they have done enough. Blue states need to return the favor, now.
It makes me so mad. But I have to agree. It's the saddest thing in the world that we have to give up our values because they have none.
Seems like a sad race to the bottom. How about we just switch to just proportional representation by vote.
Democrats should do anything and everything to fuck over Republicans. Be creative
Why wait. Get started!
Democrats should go on the offensive and be redrawing maps right now…..doing everything possible to throw these Nazis out forever…find a new conservative party or whatever but the Republican Party needs to become a footnote in history books
And putting them in place just before the election so there's no time for the courts to stop it. Sound familiar? Do it dems
Or states can petition to get bipartisan districting laws on the ballot and passed like we did here in MI.
I despair. Democrats always bring a pillow to a knife fight.
opposing republicans *is* going high. they are an enemy to all sentient life, their goal is suffering and death. if they block supreme court justices, block theirs. if they dismantle things by executive order, dismantle the military and police and all their corporate subsidies by executive order
Also, maybe time to just burn it all down and start fresh. 🤷
But it might defeat them.
We're gonna have to redraw ALL of our crooked ass maps.
Please quit misusing that phrase. It’s not what Michelle meant. At all.
"Should" redraw?
Different time period, different criminal org. same method
Fascist stopped playing fair about 44 years ago under Ronald Reagan. DEMOCRATS STOP BEING NICE! It’s not getting you anywhere. Put your gloves on and fight dirty like MAGA. The rules have changed but you haven’t. WH MOTTO IS TO FIGHT DAILY LIKE YOU ARE AT WAR. They are at war with America!
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Dems need to channel their inner Mitch McConnell
They never have! We have been screwed over since forever and we keep allowing them to steal from us.
It’s too bad most dem leaders have their heads up their asses.
From here on out, for every district they gerrymander, Dems should do two.
If we could rely on courts to enforce fair redistricting, I would be opposed. But we cant any longer. So, until we can again, fight fire with fire.
This literally scares me bc democrats don’t know how to fight back against bullies. Never did.
Please don't play by the rules for the sake of any potential future democracy the US might still have
Exactly!! What good is our "moral superiority" as we stand outside Trump's Concentration Camps looking at 100s of 1000s of interned people.
Everyone who isn't MAGA in the USA needs to fight like hell now, and you're gonna have to play dirty for sure. For the sake of humanity and your country
LFG!!!!
I'm old. I had to look that up!😂 But YES!!! LFG!!!
Liquefied Fluorine Gas? That's seems kinda unsafe.
😂
If we keep "playing by the rules", there won't be anyone outside of those concentration camps.
We’d be better off focusing on shoe leather politics and local solutions plus no big $$$ like Mamdani did. Picking up our enemies’ fell tools will only make us indistinguishable from them to all those eligible nonvoters from ‘24
They already have in NC. What are we waiting for? Let's fucking GO!!!!
No, Not if they do, they have, they've been gerrymandering for 20 years. Democrats should start doing it now to catch up who the f*** cares. What Republicans do at this point? Democrats need to gerrymander their states now, if they did it before, we wouldn't be losing our healthcare.
Go low. Time to get back
That’s right! I have been saying the same thing. Stop taking the moral high ground and get down in the muck with the Republicans! Fight fire with fire not a strongly worded letter!
I disagree but I will still vote Democrat or Independent in 2026 and 2028 no matter what. There is not a single reputable Republican left on the face of planet Earth. Emil Bova my ass.
Agreed. We have a year and a half to stop the GOP vote grab. They know we’re showing them the door come 2026. Assholes.
If the big blue states do it, at least it will help even the playing field. And if the GOP calls foul, then maybe eventually they’ll realize the gerrymandering madness has to stop. (I hold out very little hope.)
I concur!
Why wait? They rigged the supreme court through sheer hypocrisy, Bush probably should have never been President, they may have rigged this election, they are attempting to make elections irrelevant. Why the hell would we wait? Let's accelerate the divorce. They hate us, take advantage.
Wait so you can pass a totally illegal map just before the election and say "the election is too close, we can't fix it now"
They should absolutely do this. But also, realize this a prelude to the end.
And let transwomen play sports and keep the trophies they get.
he also needs to announce for 2028 to change the WHOLE narrative. seize the narrative back (yes I know he’s loved/hated but he’s probably the best chance democrats have)
Exactly. Right now it looks like he best represents the kind of energy we need. Announcing a run for 2028 would force other democrats with presidential aspirations to start fighting too, which they should already be doing anyway.
Do. It.
I hope he runs for president. I'm already rooting for him. Newsom/Buttigieg
Why even wait to see IF texas does it??? Just do it now!! Those gop bastards have been gerrymandering for years!! Look up Pennsylvania 7th - "goofy kicking Donald duck" which i think was struck down, but it shows the gop lack of shame...well, EVERYTHING shows the gop lack of shame.
Well MA too. But yes. Fight fire with fire. Goodness knows the SC will not address the issue. They are blind to one person, one vote. Allowing parties to choose voters. Entire system is perverted and warped. Trashing democracy
Escalate, then escalate some more. Flip the table on their game. Take over the narrative, and don't let up until victory. Then remember what it was all for, and fix our democracy.
Exactly. Do it now!
Exactly! Just effing DO IT! These people are an ENEMY!
Tbf, Democrats have engaged in gerrymandering in the past, as well.
tell me know exactly shit about gerrymandering without telling me. Gerrymandering isn't illegal, you're right both parties do it when in power . What's illegal is Unconstitutional Gerrymandering. which is what the MAGA GOP have been doing the last 2 maps
Texas prior map the gop made, declared unconstitutional by the 5th circuit. the lege was instructed to fix it or the judges would. Tx Lege didn't give a shit , never changed it, next step court date the court would correct BUT we were still waiting on that court date to be assigned , now This
Do you know where this came from? I'd like to share, but want to make sure it's accurate. I can't find it on Newsom's social media, or Brian Tyler Cohen's.
But they've got to stop being on defense. Stop reacting. Are there no forward thinkers, to beat them at their game sometimes? We desperately need a big win, to keep hope alive. This "on the edge of your seat" everyday, to see what's going to happen, is for soap operas not government.
Here’s a thought no Dem ever had…redraw all the districts we can regardless of how butt-hurt the original snowflake Magats feel about it and stop letting them steal our democracy while they rape the environment and empty the treasury for their billionaire masters
I don’t even give a fuck what MAGAT states do. If Newsom redraws CA and sends Issa and the others packing, I will pledge my vote for him to be POTUS in 2028
In game theory (e.g., Prisoners' Dilemma), "tit for tat" is an optimal strategy, so...
FACTS
Only a fool plays by the rules set up by his enemies.
While I absolutely HATE gerrymandering (which leads to polarization in BOTH parties and underrepresents moderates); I think right now it’s the only chance to fight back against GOP authoritarianism. I say this knowing there is not a way to unwind it short (unlikely) of constitutional amendments.
Sadly, I agree. Once we get these anti-democracy Republicans out, then we can pass legislation to forbid gerrymandering and have a process for redistricting that is fair. Anything else (what we’re seeing from Republicans right now) should be illegal. The fact that it isn’t illegal is the problem.
The right is COMPLETELY UNITED in hatred and greed & the left is DIVIDED which wins nothing - We must stop thinking about the past and focus on STOPPING A DICTATORSHIP that could rule for decades - We may have already had our last free and fair election - Just ask the Russian people how this works
Yes, it's come to this.
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When they go low sweep their fucking legs.
it's time.
No if. Just do it, now, with a vengence.
If the GOP is going low then we need to crush them in the gutter. They’ve been circumventing & manipulating the rules. Its time to realizing that we’re fighting for our democratic way of life and the future of of our country. FIGHT LIKE YOUR LIVES DEPEND ON IT BECAUSE THEY DO! BURY FASCISM!!!!!!
Actually blue states should up it, if a red state adds 5 seats then a blue state should add 10
Sic em Gavin Newsome
YOU CAN NEVER BE FRIENDS WITH THE DEVIL, WHICH FOTUS, GOP GOVS, GOP CONGRESS AND SENATE HAS BEEN FOR MANY DECADES! Gotta play hardball with these corrupt folks!
They’re not devils- that’s a mythical creature. They’re sociopaths, psychopaths, or have NPD Narcissistic Personality Disorder, etc Understand mental illnesses and you’ll better understand what you’re dealing with. youtu.be/qbFBOAmmu7Y?...
I agree, it's time to stop calling people evil when they are simply mentally disabled
I wouldn’t say mentally disabled.
Correct, Felon POTUS def is not Mentally Disabled! Evil Narcissist Sociopath
ya kinda did.
Ben Harlen post did- not me! I know Trump is EVIL NARCISSIST SOCIOPATH- for years! Nothing new he lived in NYS where generations of us live!
look closer at who i was responding to.
I'd use another word too
FOTUS is evil- and sociopath- both can be true! He has been operating in corrupt, criminal, cheating, lying ways all his life and disregard for anyone except himself.
Neither can you be friends with anyone that voted in these GOP scum. Full stop. If they vote red, ditch them like the cancer they are.
This! 💯
Lets start by a total rethink. It IS the rules. If it wasnt it would have been stopped. Rethinking the supreme court. People are saying to increase it to 13. Think bigger. How about 21 and then Cap it forever by constitutional amendment. Its times the Dems started playing hardball.
I would even go as far as saying any blue state governor who doesn’t redraw voting districts should be replaced. We are at war ! Now is not the time to play by the rules . Republicans certainly aren’t!
Why wait? Seriously, they should be doing this anyway not as some form of playing fair. Get ruthless or find new jobs.
ABSOLUTELY!!! DON'T WIMP OUT DEMOCRATS!!!
The only way they win is to cheat.
Aseel and her cat Liza aren’t okay 💔 Check out her post — it’s the last one on my page from Molly… Your kind words might help
The GOP makes its own rules and breaks them when it suits them.
Not until Republicans understand that criminals should be in prison, even if they are white and rich.
That’s what Gavin Newsom plans to do in Cali. Great idea!
It will be red states draw maps and blue states draw maps. The Dems will lose big on this one.
#PresidentDonaldTrumpstein
...or we just do it instead of waiting for them and always being slow to react to fascism, because this isn't a game anymore. This is war.
They should start now
I think it should be: when they go low, we crush them into the ground
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Playing by the rules is fair. And yes we should do it too.
The DNC knew about the more than 1mil voters that had been wrongfully challenged months before the election and they did nothing because....what? They didn't want to make a scene?
It’s way past time to make an effing scene.
Yup & Joe said "let's have a Peaceful Transition" Into Chaos. Then No Call for any Forensic Audits. WTAF? We Beat Shitler A Life Long Loser & Cheater, He Lost. #ThisMachineKillsFascists
As much as people have a boner for blaming the DNC for everything, everyone "knew" that it was a choice between a sexual deviant and Kamala Harris. The deviant won. At some point we have to factor in common sense and personal choice. The DNC isn't why people voted for this fucking monster.
I can’t stand these lazy f-ing whiners who voted t*ump then blame Dems. They do nothing to further democracy. Clowns. And they lie.
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The DNC is like a prom committee for the 2 week long gathering held once every 4 years. It’s not the oligarchy itself. They don’t have power like that. They’re basically just a prom committee. The actual political power is held by the state party leaders and their owners.
I agree, there's no point "Going high" anymore. The GOP have burnt or banned their rule books so Dems must act similarly. This is the legacy T***p wants to leave, a map of full of red.
When they go low, we go lower and undermine everything they are trying to do. Playing nice & fair has never worked with the Grossly Obstructionistic Party
They've never cared about playing fairly; they'd rather cheat by redrawing electoral maps.
Cheating at golf is a normal thing. Cheating at maps no biggie.
Exavtly. Just like with the Paradox of Tolerance. People who are tolerant must not tolerate intolerant people. Otherwise the intolerant Ones Will destroy your society. The same goes for Gerrymandering. 👍
This graphic is evergreen.
When you have a civil society that Prides itself on freedom of speech, a lot is let go. I think the Dems are finally starting to catch on, at least some. When things are running well you tolerate a lot if shit. It is too easy to step over the line in the opposite direction. Now, though we have to.
I've been saying this exact thing for a decade now. This is no time to get your nails done, ladies; unless you opt for razor-sharp stiletto daggers.😈
NC lost 3 US House seats due to illegal gerrymandering. There are 11 red states that gerrymander assuring the GOP keeps their majority. They know their ideas aren't popular, so they cheat to keep power.
Ok the house can be explained with this shit. The Senate and governors cannot. Need to deal with the reality that a lot of this people are also just hateful bigots.
Also to gerrymandering properly you would have to control all the branches of state government. Democrats ignored the state level of government at their peril
Its a great idea but most democratic held states have anti gerrymandering laws on the books.
And no being nice to Pedo Repubs. Dems need to play as nasty as they do.
Going high is what put us in this mess, always trying to do things the right way, by the book. That worked when people still had a conscience. Now, people's lives are being negatively impacted and we need to realize that we aren't going to win if the other side keeps changing the rules of the game.
If you mean “murdered,” by saying “negatively impacted,” then yes! Th death rate will rise when medical assistance is obsolete. This is not the time for being politically correct.
That's not being politically correct, that's the truth. Bcuz only some will face death as a result of this regime's policies. Death is not the intended outcome for certain groups, blacks for example, will be returned to chattel slavery.
Absolutely!!! 💯
Some Dems have been saying this for decades!
In fact, I think they count on Dems not breaking the rules. They think a desire to be law abiding or to be fair is a weakness.
Democratic states should be redrawing maps right now, regardless, period, full stop. GOP states have been gerrymandered for years. The US is gerrymandered by the Senate. DO IT NOW.
Why wait? Dems should redraw maps and move on.
This is a war to save democracy.
I keep repeating this because you're right about them: It's. Time. To. Bring. Out. The. Bitch.
Thank you for waking up!!
It's a power grab and once they have they have no intentions of ever going back to majority rule.
Absofrickenlootly. There is no “how it was” or “our institutions will hold us together” or “justice will prevail” or “three equal branches of gov’t”. It’s either fight or flight.
FYI: Rules of redistricting: “must comply with certain federal constitutional and statutory requirements… 1) Equal Population 2) No drawing Lines Based on Race State law governs the remaining requirements. Challenge illegal Gerrymandering! latino.ucla.edu/redistrictin...
Go low, and put in one of those “if a supermajority+ join us in going high, we’ll go high too” clauses
So eventually, it will simply be a case of "Who's the better cheater".
ABSOLUTELY!!
Peak capitalism eating a failing democracy
Stop playing defense and go on the offensive. Treat each day like it’s a battle, you will win more than you lose. Attack and cut off their supply of $, freeze the assets of these companies supporting these fascists. Governors and state attorneys have that power.
LFG!!!!!
Absolutely! Democracy is at stake, folks.
Can't fight crime with crime or ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE!!!
If they go low, I’m gonna take them right to hell with me. We have to fight vigorously within the confines of the law.
Every Dem state should be doing this. The Supreme Court says it's OK.
And let’s get this right: going “high,”meaning being moral, ethical, honest, does NOT, as we too often seem to believe, mean being acquiescent, ineffective, timid, weak, overly polite, & dutifully following rules for tennis when the game is football. Newsome is spot on: fight fire with fire.
Also, withold federal money if Trump won't help with disasters. Red states depend on that money. Fuck 'em.
Do it anyway. They do. Fire with fire
Agreed 💯
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What’s a GOP state?
releasing the epstein files by hook or by crook really ought to do the trick. fuk high/low go for the killing blow. we're talking full on ender wiggins.
We have to learn to go lower, following the rules isn't getting us anywhere.
Don't even wait for them. Redistrict these traitors out of Congress.