You have a couple of pretty compelling examples now that a campaign strategy of simply pointing and saying "yeah, but look at the other guy!" doesn't work. We're trying to provide an electoral strategy that actually does.
You have a couple of pretty compelling examples now that a campaign strategy of simply pointing and saying "yeah, but look at the other guy!" doesn't work. We're trying to provide an electoral strategy that actually does.
"trans people in sports or I won't vote" isn't the right strategy 🤷 www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...
You're making quite a bit up out of whole cloth here. How popular was gay marriage? Legalizing marijuana? Desegregation? Polls are polls. I'm talking about right and wrong. Demonizing a minority group for a perceived advantage (which is usually minuscule and evaporates quickly) ain't it.
If we're going strictly by numbers, Trump has been duly elected twice-- why object to him? Surely he represents the prevailing will of the nation. Ought we not follow along, then?
So you're not aware of how the electoral college works? Are any of your arguments based on not being willfully stupid?
Gay marriage was very popular. I was hoping no one would be foolish enough to compare trans athletes in sports to desegregation, but someone always has to be the stupid one
What about public opinion in the 80s? The 70s? This didn't just pop up in 2015, you know.
Right, and when it wasn't popular POLITICIANS AND VOTERS DIDN'T PUSH IT A PURITY TEST. Changing hearts and minds takes time. I wish we could snap our fingers and suddenly live in a perfect world devoid of hate, bigotry, and genocide, but we don't, and we can't lose the war over one battle.
When Dem-led Congress passed and Dem prez LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 64, Voting Rights Act of 65, Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity Acts of 68, all were IMMENSELY unpopular with the general public. Pre-Clintonian/neoliberal Dems did not wait for public opinion; THEY DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP
I wish Obama has used his majorities to ram through all kinds of legislation enshrining rights, like gay marriage or abortion 🤷
shut the fuck up
You know what happened with white people who were uncomfortable sharing bathrooms and drinking fountains with black people when we integrated bathrooms and drinking fountains? THEY EVENTUALLY REALIZED SHARING BATHROOMS AND DRINKING FOUNTAINS WAS FUCKING HARMLESS.
You don't wait to do the right thing until after people with anxiety over that thing get over their anxiety. You do it and then they see their anxiety was unfounded. If a kid doesn't want to try something delicious, how would you go about convincing them it's delicious using ONLY rhetoric?
Yes they did lol and we got exactly the same pushback then
Gay marriage began its legalization process in individual states in 2004. The way it became popular was by having people see it in action and figure out that it's not a fucking society-ruining phenomenon.
and the fact that you think this is just about trans people in sports means you're a mark who is probably too stupid to vote 🖕
you fucking idiots keep trotting this out like it's some kind of permission slip to throw trans people under the bus do you have any idea how contemptible you are?
imagine thinking an argumentum ad populum is some kind of gotcha go fuck yourself
lmao thanks for pointing out that propaganda that goes unchallenged by so called dipshit "allies" like yourself justifies Newsom's transphobia
There's literally NOTHING stopping Newsom or anyone else from learning a little about trans people, and answering questions in the future like "what, the 9 trans college athletes? Let them play. I'm more concerned about issues that face us all, like health care."
this is such a great answer. I wish politicians would say this.
Place your opinions on the timeline. Do you have any morals or principles? Or are you a ethically bankrupt quisling only concerned with perceived popularity? This is rhetorical. We know.
Republicans have been very open about sports being the wedge they'll use to "eradicate transgenderism." Look at all Trump has done in the name of destroying "gender ideology." You can't fight fascism without standing up for trans people.
Also, imagining that many, most, or all Dems agree with Riley Gaines is just stupid. Trans people can have all the story times, parades, bars, businesses, or sports leagues that they want. I can limit an adult from doing one thing without advocating for their total erasure from society.
Listen, 🎧 get you clearly don’t give a shit about trans people, but if you’d like to preserve your own rights, which we’ll happily drag under the bus with us, I highly suggest not picking a shit transphobe as your candidate given *you need our votes to win*.
So you're OK with trans athletes competing in high school?
Because criminalizing children playing with their friends is an absolutely terrible idea
I think starving children and withholding medicare from them are even worse ideas. But hey, keep fighting the sports thing. The trade-off might be worth it. Or maybe there are no trade-offs at all and everyone will get a unicorn.
One problem with your hypothetical is that politicians working against trans people have no plan to help starving children or Medicare Your "choice" is bogus, and even if it weren't, we can walk and chew gum at the same time You wouldn't accept racial segregation in that (bogus) exchange
You sure?
I'm sorry to break it to you but protecting your right to compete in college sports is below my line as long as fascists are taking over, women have no abortion rights, immigrants get deported to third countries, gay marriage is at risk, etc.
So if y'all want us to spend time, resources, attention, money, blood, sweat, and tears on that sports thing, well, get in line. It's gonna be a very long line btw.
You have created a self-fulfilling false dichotomy. Your soul is weak, your promises empty, and your principles are for sale.
Hey, where did those goalposts go??? Oh, I see they've been moved.
medical care, not medicare, obv
Like you folks give a damn till you discovered trans people existed in 2020s like come on GTFOH
You justification for this one thing is that trans girls are always boys and you don't believe medical intervention changes their bodies. This is a scientific falsehood that will necessarily lead you to concede on other anti-trans policies.
Also, I didn't know if you've noticed, but the focus of these laws have not been on adults. They've been on kids. Telling kids they can't play with their friends because the grownups don't believe a girl who has never had a male puberty is physically a boy no matter what.
If you think we're saying you have to let a trans woman into women's sports regardless of circumstances, that a 20 year old should be able to come out and start playing on the women's team the next day before any medical intervention, you've been suckered by propaganda. That was never happening!
You actually kinda can't. As soon as a group is treated differently by the law, that becomes the justification for greater and greater exclusion. "If I can't ban them from bathrooms, why are they banned from sports? There must be a reason." For more details, see literally anything about segregation
You are unfathomably fucking stupid
It harms all women:
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The fact that you don't understand the snowball effect with things like this is wild Also trans women have NO biological advantage, so why would you want to limit them anyway?
"It's fine to throw marginalised minority groups under the bus as long as it makes me feel better"
Do yourself a favor. Take the statement: "I don't think trans women should be allowed in cis women's sports." Now, take trans and cis and replace them with any other sets; Black and White, Muslim and Christian, etc. How's that sound to you?
No, you really can't. Because it never stops at "one" thing. When you say "trans women can't compete with cis women", it sends the message to even the least-athletic trans person you'll never *really* accept them as who they are, you'll just humor them until it's not comfortable for you anymore.
So a fifty year old trans man should be able to compete against 5 years old girls in soccer, because it would be "one" thing to say otherwise?
LOL thanks for conforming it: you're a fucking troll.
This is literally the same sort of argument people used to say in opposition to gay marriage. "If you let two men get married, next thing you know you'll have to let a man marry a kid, or a horse, or a tractor"
Now you're just being obtuse.
No. Nobody has ever advocated for that and nobody ever will. kindly knock it off with this “but what if they-“ slippery slope garbage
If the government is enforcing that limitation, it won’t ever be that simple. It will always be a beachhead for a rollback of other rights. But beyond that, trans people have been participating in sports for years now without disrupting things. The laws are just an excuse to isolate a minority.
Not on the basis of 'being transgender.' That's an unscientific, inexpert approach based solely on your mental stereotyping of transgender people. But a trans girl who has grown up entirely while receiving estrogen is physically no different than a cis girl, yet you would exclude her on the basis
The entire idea of gender segregated sports is based upon a belief of the fundimental inferiority of women and girls. I don't like how many people argue against trans sports bans by saying "don't worry! Trans women are just as weak and pathetic as real women!"
that SOME trans women transition later in life. That's not a scientific distinction, that's a bigoted one. You're not an expert, and have no business weighing in on matters that should be left to doctors, scientists, and professional sporting agencies to determine.
All this aside from the fact that the IOC (the Olympics) recently published the results of a study that determined that trans women who have been on HRT for a period of time possess no physical advantage that a taller CIS woman, or a more muscular cis woman, would not similarly possess.
Will you now ban all cis women who are 'taller than average' (bye-bye WNBA) or 'more muscular' than average, so that only women who meet YOUR SPECIFIC idea of what 'a woman' should look like can compete? Do you not see the problems inherent with that approach?
Oh, hey, would you look at all of these non-white female athletes out in the world that don't meet these qualifiers!
That's exactly my point.
Moreover, banning people on the basis of their innate characteristics is segregation. Trans women cannot change the fact that we are trans, but once we have completed a specific length of HRT, we're biologically indistinguishable from the average cis woman of our height and build
(and many of those DO exist), yet you would ban us anyway because at the end of the day, you don't believe trans women are *really* women, which is just bigotry, and bigoted people should have no part in these decisions.
Even more importantly, school sports are an important part of childhood. They teach kids team-building skills and how to work together to achieve goals, and they are a fun way to build friendships and let off stress. ALL CHILDREN should be able to play with their same-gender friends and peers,
You literally are agreeing with her on her main issue
If many/most Dems don't feel that way then the politicians like Newsom and Buttigieg who do agree with Riley Gaines do not represent the party and those of us who refuse to vote for them don't deserve to be chastised for voicing that refusal. It's not a "purity test" if most Dems agree w/ us, right?
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Real "separate but equal" vibes.
Why do you get to limit other adults' leisure activities, exactly? Who elected you again?
Thing is, relegating trans people to trans organizations and trans sports and trans whatever is, essentially, erasure. And segregation. And basically admitting that you don’t think they should be identified as the gender they identify with.
We relegated women to their women's leagues, and I never felt that way about them. I don't feel that way about trans people either 🤷 But you know what, let's all die on this hill, with America.
I want to be extremely clear here. You fucking suck.
You do, though. This framing implicitly gives away that you do. Trans women ARE WOMEN. To talk about them as if they are a distinct group and not just a sub-category within the category of woman betrays your true feelings on this matter. You are a transphobe.
“America” never existed if we’re still quibbling about whose rights are worthy of being defended/supported/upheld.
women built that movement out of being excluded from proper sports; and still fight for equality to this day doing it; its not a compromise it was an act of defiance. and they do that while also being maligned by male sports media and fans. the WNBA is prolly the most obvious example of that.
What are "proper sports"? And the fact that thousands of men have run a faster 100 meter time than the women's world record doesn't suggest some competitive inequities based on sexual dimorphism?
Trans women aren't men you worthless piece of shit
im tired of people who dont fundamentally understand sports who think just cause we operate this way now- does not mean it always was or this set up is consensual. misogynists have killed women over this centuries long myth of male superiority. everyone should be allowed to play a game/ period
What about sports do I not fundamentally get?
When I was 5, I wanted to play baseball so bad, but there were no girl leagues. For some reason, they let me sign up for the boys team. It lasted one season. The parents were so mad that I was better that they made them decline my registration the next year.
wish i could afford to put your tweets on a billboard in times square.
Cause yea, the people who hate trans people are certainly going to stop at sports. Guaranteed they won’t try to limit or eliminate meds or Heath care for them. Or shut down any possibility of using public bathrooms. And of course that won’t lead to reactionary states outlawing transitioning.
And here we have a excellent demonstration about how transphobia makes us stupid. You never questioned it, so you never looked at the history, so you never learned why. Hint? It was mostly to protect men's feelings as up and coming women started winning.
yet you want to ban women from women's sports
That's exactly what Riley Gaines was saying 3 years ago, too. Strange how the people who say that it's OK to limit a minority from participating in one part of society always seem to jump to total erasure a few years later when people don't push back against exclusionary ideas.
“Story times?” You think trans women are drag queens, don’t you?
Hey! I’m advocating for your total erasure from society, personally
“Just because I’ve opened the gates to this giant horse doesn’t mean I agree with allowing a bunch of soldiers within our walls!”
The thing is, in the face of nonstop fascist anti-trans propaganda, if the polling slipped at all on any of those things, you'd recalibrate and be right back here to tell me I "can't get everything that I want" because I think I should be allowed to use public bathrooms or to teach.
The only reason we are talking about trans people playing sports (which the Olympics had rules on since the 90’s) is because the right figures out it was a way to inject bigotry and anti-science into the Democrats coalition. As long as Dems concede this anti-democratic point, we lose.
No.
You can't see that "trans kids in sports" was just the gateway drug to get society comfortable with greater trans exclusion? Though what you are saying is a direct effect of that propaganda working.
How about you STFU and let people live their lives, bigot?
Being trans is not an activity for fun, it’s who you are no matter what you do. And no you don’t get to have an open society when you get to policed people based not on harm but upon personal discomfort, and oblige them some rights as you wish. That is authoritarian thinking, and it’s spreading
So you good with elderly Republican males examining children’s genitals in the name of keeping trans people out of sports. Cause that’s what anti-trans people want.
Do you literally even know what a trans person is
You are confusing us with drag queens in a way that shows your ignorance on the subject quite extremely.
So RuPaul's show A: hasn't featured trans participants? B: wouldn't an obvious vehicle for reaching out to the trans community, which was the point being made Also, I believe Ru Paul wasn't actually present during the Harris PSA.
1) the fact that some trans people are drag queens does not mean that "story times" is a trans event 2) I would say FUCK NO because most of them AREN'T trans| (reposted because I used the homophone of 'no')
"(reposted because I used the homophone of 'no')" Lol, nerd. :P
3) I'm not sure what Harris has to do with this but there might be a side thread I'm missing
If an adult is limited from "doing one thing" then what's to stop them from being limited from another thing? And then another?
We also limit adults from speeding, exposing their genitalia in public, dumping garbage into lakes, or having bonfires in their neighbor's yard. Stop being stupid. We restrict adults every day, all day, in many, many, many ways.
Have you noticed that a great many of your arguments consist of calling the other person stupid
you are a stupid fucking moron
Okay but there's actual empirically-grounded reasons for those limitations. There is no empirical evidence that trans women playing women's sports has any negative impact on the competitiveness of women's sports whatsoever.
Ok so I advocate for cis white men to not have guns. Definitely for safety. See how silly that is? I don’t care if you think women shouldn’t be allowed to have credit cards or all women (including trans women) shouldn’t be allowed to play women’s sports, but that’s called “gender discrimination.”
A: okay by me on the guns B: what ridiculous non sequitur suggesting anyone thinks women shouldn't have credit card C: why don't we just create a third division in sports for transgender athletes, then they are afforded the right to play without claims of unfairness
THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE FUCKING BANK ACCOUNTS UNTIL LIKE FORTY YEARS AGO YOU CLUELESS NITWIT
It’s not a non sequiter. It’s another example of real gender discrimination, like you want to do. Women only got the right to have their own credit card 1 year AFTER roe v. wade. It could be overturned by people like you who want gender discrimination.
Stop ascribing things to me and then arguing against me. The strawman fallacy is weak ass sauce.
As for C - because after tons of studies there is a very limited window (<1 year) for trans women where there is an advantage in a VERY MINIMAL amount of sports, and that advantage is shared by cis women with certain hormonal profiles.
What kind of trans woman? Is there only one, or are there a variety of different pathways and methods for transitioning, some more permanent than others? Aren't you wildly oversimplifying a complex element of the human existence?
In other words, there’s *no scientific reason* to exclude trans women from sports - competitive or otherwise. It’s simply discriminatory. It doesn’t matter that people “feel” that trans women have an advantage, because feelings aren’t facts.
Right, but we restrict them universally. We don't discriminate against one particular class of people dumping garbage into lakes and let everyone else do it.
This is about restricting a specific minority of adults, though. You see the difference don't you?
So our human rights to participate in society as ourselves is the same as commiting petty crime. Got it
Did you seriously just equate “being born trans” with “dumping garbage in lakes” and “exposing genitalia in public”?? You’re equating inherent traits with harmful actions. Which is the same as saying some people’s basic existence is inherently harmful or criminal. Do you see the where that leads?
You are equating trans people simply wanting to have the same rights as other human beings have, with people who are breaking laws. This says that for people to exists as trans should be illegal. What if we compared people who have "cool" in their username to pedophiles or other criminals?
What you're referring to here are safety precautions and environmental precautions. People are harmed by those actions. No one is harmed by trans people being in sports.
You’re leaving out an important adjective. “Competitive sports”. For the sake of argument, elite competition in competitive sports absolutely falls under the safety precaution umbrella in your outline.
Name a competitive sports it’s an issue in.
I legitimately don’t know. Has there been a long record I’m simply unaware of here? I’m eager to learn. What does the history say?
Well, since trans people have always existed, the history would probably say a lot depending on the lens it's written from. Are you wanting to learn about transgender history in general or specific to sports?
I'll rephrase: no one is harmed by trans people being in sports, competitive or otherwise.
I don’t care if a middle schooler wants to play volleyball and these ghouls that do are shameful. The weightlifting type stuff at Olympic level competition (this is a broad example) gets a little sketchy as a political argument. If it was me I wouldn’t care. But I can see why it seems unfair too.
The trans woman who failed to make a lift? See your point. Clearly an unfair advantage if she’s coming last.
If a trans woman is on feminizing HRT and is competing in women's Olympic weightlifting, she's not going to have much (if any) advantage because feminizing HRT will reduce her muscle mass. Trans men experience the opposite, which would be an advantage in weightlifting if competing against women.
don't make me post the "no difference between good and bad things" meme
Do you know why we limit those things? Because they are crimes. But ig it's such a tell that you give examples of crimes to match why we need segregation. Cause you think trans people are criminals that violate some social order and need to be segregated like second class citizens.
Do you understand that these is a difference between "speeding is illegal" and "black people can't use this restroom"?
So true. I am the father of a trans woman and I support my child (now an adult), but I don't care if trans women can participate in Women's sports when we are losing our Democracy. Get a fucking clue! They want you to die, I am willing to limit your participation in sports. So both sides suck equal
A cool thing we could maybe try going forward would be: when there's someone you understand wants trans people to die, we don't agree with them about ANYTHING they say about trans people. If trans sports doesn't work as common ground anymore, **they can't hide their true agenda behind it**.
If you claim to know they're unreasonable, then STOP HELPING THEM PRETEND THEY'RE FUCKING REASONABLE YOU ABSOLUTE MORON.
It's INCREDIBLY easy to argue against them from a factual basis on this. Trans women DO NOT POSSESS A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE IN WOMEN'S SPORTS. Period. End of story. So make them defend their ACTUAL position, which is that they don't want trans people to be allowed to exist.
I cut my dad off for this exact behavior. Don't act shocked when your daughter does the same.
Genuine question: how can you accept that Republicans want trans people dead without recognizing that segregating trans girls and women in sports is part of the project of killing us?
my daughter agrees with me. She is also pissed off at the stupid people that did not vote because of Palestine. If we have no Democracy, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS! No marginalized community will do better by not voting!
Which of your other beliefs did you arrive at based off personal resentment? Would you support the return of Jim Crow if some black people irritated you enough, or are you at least sentient enough to see how that might be a flimsy rationale?
I'm not your daughter. How can you accept that Republicans want trans people dead without recognizing that segregating trans girls and women in sports is part of the project of killing us?
Well, as I stated to others my daughter and her trans friends do not give a shit about sports. Most do not even watch any. Get a fucking grip!
So you do recognize that it's part of the Republican project to eradicate trans people, but you don't care.
So the old liberal white guy who is actually on your side is no good because of my opinion on the sports issue? You are fucking stupid! Life is not all or nothing! It is a series of compromises!
Well they did the sports ban in lots of places and they just keep rolling because it has nothing to do with this non issue. But the Nazis got you willing to turn in your own kid already with the promise you’d be safe. This is how it happens
And how many trans females actually give a fuck about sports???? None of my daughters friends give a shit about that!
Your kid is not the spokesperson for all trans people.
True, I am expressing my opinion that she happens to support. Will the Trans community be better off if Trump and his cronies destroy Democracy and they rule forever? I would show up and vote for the Democrat! IT CAN GET WORSE
I’d vote for Newsom vs Trump but look what’s happening in the UK where the Labor party is going full authoritarian. It’s thought poison and you should be telling politicians so
If transwomen stopped playing sports today, transphobic people would just come up with another issue to attack trans people. Transphobic people deserve no quarter. Period.
Except it is unpopular even among people that support trans rights 🤷
I AGREE! However, what got me fired up is that people advocate not voting as both sides are the same. Really?????
My daughter agrees with me.
Yeah using your trans daughter as a shield is pretty shitty. It’s not about sports, if that was an actual trade off that would be one thing but it’s not. So enjoy your relationship, I hope it grows as you get to know the real daughter you have
Then you do not support your child and you might know it but she loathes you for it.
Are you advocating not voting for Democrats that do not want trans women in men's sports? If so you are an idiot and my daughter would tell you so. Just like the idiots that did not vote due to Palestine! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS IF WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY! NOTHING!!!!!!! PERIOD.
Great, which civil rights should "your kind" give up to ensure this democracy succeeds. Please provide a list.
Gavin Newsom doesn't just disagree with us on sports. He said last week that 25 is too young to transition. If that's what he thinks about trans people, America under Newsom wouldn't be a democracy for trans people. Now try to think about that the way you think about due process for migrants.
Or at least the way I would fucking hope you think about due process for migrants.
you do realize the people you are arguing be thrown under the bus can see you shoving them under the tires, right
Absolutely loathes you.
When did this person say any of that?
if we cannot ensure minority rights are protected with majority rule, we are a tyranny of the majority, not a democracy.
This is ghoulish. That you would sacrifice your own daughter on the alter of “democracy” is scary. It’s one thing to be a bigot and not know a trans person, but to literally have a kid who is affected by fascism and openly admitting you’re willing to harm her for political expediency is beyond evil
Then clearly you do not understand how issues are inter-related. Understand one thing - the fascists attacking democracy are using trans issues as a wedge. Trans rights are bodily autonomy issues - take that away from one group, sooner or later all lose those rights.
My trans daughter would rightly disown me if I said anything so stupid. Not being allowed to play school sports with her friends was one of the very first ways she was segregated and discriminated against and gave her bullies power to say she wasn't a real girl. Your take is ignorant & dangerous
No, really. I have a trans daughter who agrees with everything I say. She's totally real.
What’s the logic behind separating cis and trans people in sports, exactly?
Cis people should get fined for advocating for trans segregation, and the fine should go to fund top/bottom surgery for trans people.
Side note, but y'all ain't get upset when I was dunking on guys at 6'4" with my "biological advantage" but God forbid I wanna play like co-ed basketball at the gym now.
And the arguments you make for this issue will be used by people who want to remove trans rights elsewhere.
Sorry, but I am not willing to sacrifice America so a few hundred trans people can play f*cking sports. And you know what -- NO ONE in life gets every damn thing they want.
I am.
I'm guessing you also thought Jim Crow era water fountain laws were fine because at least Black people still had access to water, right? Use your brain for just one second here
Only dumb people conflate Jim Crow era laws that targeted people because of skin color with trans people not being allowed to play in sports. Apples and oranges.
"only dumb people are stupid enough to make a direct line between historical forms of discrimination" It's not apples and oranges just because you don't want to see it
Pushing marginalized communities out of public life by claiming there's alternatives and food reasons to back up the discrimination is still (drumroll please) discrimination. It's not about fairness, it's about making it so trans people can't live their lives in peace
What about non-integrated leagues?
Do you think that giving in on sports will make Republicans suddenly stop attacking trans people in other areas, or do you just not care that they're using the issue to strip 50 year worth of social progress from us?
Nope! But I know that picking battles is important if you want to win the war. Look to Pyrrhus of Epirus for a great example.
Would it not be a Pyrrhic victory if the candidate I vote for wins, only to turn around and seek compromise with Republicans by taking away my rights?
And look at Neville Chamberlin for what happens when you choose to not battle
…you realize Newsom is also turning against our life saving health care and has started indicating he won’t only cave on that for trans youth, but adults as well? And that he’s vetoed legislation protecting and expanding access to our care?
Making this about sports alone is disingenuous, and completely ignores that as others have pointed out that sports is their starting point to roll back all rights. This isn’t about it “getting everything we want”. This is about keeping the bare minimum of what we have.
This isn’t a real choice. What you’re describing is not what’s actually at stake
I have good news for you - there's absolutely no need to do that.
You could make a pretty strong argument we already did.
Not really - the Democratic party has done fucking nothing about this. There is no sport trans people are playing now that they wouldn't have if the Democrats intervened - they just let the GOP do whatever they want
hmm, I wonder what they call people that collaborated with fascists
Most Americans were 60/40 opposed to marriage equality. I'm old enough remember Dems blaming us for Kerry's loss. There was one prominent Dem who had the balls to fight for us with his full chest. What was his name again?
By this logic women wouldn’t have the right to vote, we’d still be “separate but equal”, gay marriage wouldn’t be legal. Public opinion is shaped & changed by many things! Refusing to fight for people’s rights because the public isn’t informed is a bad reason to cede the ground on this or any issue
Bullshit.
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Well most people don't know jack about trans people and sports and just kneejerk react with their feelings
That just proves people are stupid and will demand winning a battle even if it means losing the war. Pyrrhus of Epirus demonstrated that quite publicly 2300 years ago, but we seem doomed to repeat his mistake.
So again - you have to be convinced to not for the felon, the racist, the misogynist w/plans to use DOJ to target his enemies, deport millions, citizens, too & flood city streets w/American troops? Cause Trump did a TON of “look at the other guy!” Kamala also had a TON of policies. But hey, do you.
Not to mention that bald triangulation on controversial issues based on poll-testing can be easily sniffed out by voters, and they despise it. We need a standard-bearer who is a natural communicator and who has a moral core that doesn’t change based on what the campaign’s data guy says