The gleeful doxing of someone cheating in public is bad even if they are a CEO and even if they are a Coldplay fan. It's bad because this kind of thing is happening to random people on TikTok for such crimes as "sitting silently on a plane" or "being attractive" www.404media.co/the-astronom...
This is like deep buzzkill / privacy lecture behavior of me, but using face rec / crowdsourcing doxing investigations on totally random people doing absolutely nothing has become extremely popular and normalized on TikTok and it's really very bad
Don’t take your mistress to a Coldplay concert is the lesson learned here.
I can agree about the usage of facial recognition technology, but was that even necessary in this instance you are citing?
How will we build our army of narcs if we don’t train them on the easy shit now? Sounds like you don’t even want to become fascist.
Good point, although I think even without face rec technology they may have been rumbled. People complain about face rec buy shops, government, police, so really sauce for the goose.
Should be illegal and people should be sued and forced to undergo privacy, empathy and social media training and needs to be taught everywhere. Doxxing and the like - especially for people just exisiting and going about daily life - is/are most defos NOT ok!!
Doesn’t that also normalize ICE using facial recognition technology to identify and kidnap people also going about their business?
nope. it's different with a government agency. I don't get why people don't understand this.
Even though it’s a civil suit?
wait. what's a civil suit? illegally entering the country? then yes, I stand by it's different when it's the government.
I thought you were responding to a different post. I get it.
no problem. it's social media
it's a whole different level of authoritarianism when your government is surveiling you vs other people, ie the camera operator 'surveiling' a crowd who paid to be there. make sense?
I agree with you completely even though I laugh at this particular person since a lot of times wives go nuts trying to figure out what’s with their husband when they’re having an affair and she just got freed the most effective way possible. So I’m glad for her and I think we should outlaw this.
hey way to be a buzz kill ever anyone told you you're that one - jeez let us just enjoy the stupidity a little can't we just have fun for a minute
"Doing absolutely nothing"
I’ve made my share of jokes about it but yeah, immediately identifying these people and being in their business is super gross
Why? Don't wanna be busted cheating in public then don't cheat in public. People get busted for cheating on their S.O. publicly all the time. This wasn't doxxing, and nothing happened to these people they didn't deserve.
The issue is that who decides what people do and don't deserve? Because there are people out there that think because they think a person is ugly or not dressed well that they deserve to be flamed on social media apps. It's not up to you or anyone else to decide what someone deserves.
People immediately looking up who they were instead of simply laughing at the obvious guilt is taking it a bit too far
why is it bad? because it catches cheats?
Fucking your employee and cheating on your spouse are not nothing though
yeah youre right it is a buzzkill, how about you shut the fuck up
"what if this thing was two different, unrelated things instead???" the words of a brain genius who totally "got" everyone trying to have a good time. you did it! youre the hero!
The rich deserve whatever bad karma they get. #EatTheRich
one of my biggest fears is unknowingly being the subject of someone’s tik tok.
It's really true that had people been filming others at clubs and putting it on the internet when I was younger, I would never have gone out dancing at all. It's deeply shitty behavior that makes the world worse for everyone the more of it there is.
"doing absolutely nothing" not sure their spouses would agree with that sentiment
Actually I think the partners of these people have a right to know that they're being lied to, but go off I guess
Right but you get this isn't that, right? Like this isn't some random person who did nothing, this is a guy who got caught cheating on his wife with his subordinate in public. The tech side of it is actually wildly irrelevant here.
literally who the fuck cares if people cheat on each other. are you a child?
"you're no different than this behaviour!" Except I am? I'm laughing at this guy because he got caught doing shady shit in public, while being a public figure. People didn't doxx him, he got recognized. That's different.
I think the bigger picture is how this is normalized to the micro sense as well. Imagine a TikTok of a high schooler, and that spreads to their high school. A nobody, yet still recognizable. It's this weird social media sense of wanting to show yet be unknown; can't have both now, even w/o consent.
I'm all for laughing at infidelity from higher ups because of karma, but one should recognize how scarily quick we all are able to even do this to the smallest person as well ("Hey, TikTok, make this person famous! Do your thing!" etc. Can be for both positive and negative).
But that's my point, this isn't an example of that. What you're describing is someone who's not a public figure becoming one despite what they might want. This is someone who is already a recognizable public figure.
No, that's what the article is about from a larger scale of sense. Jason is just using the current topic as an example of how quick things can be, again even with the example reduced to just a high school.
Like, imagine a high schooler cheating on his girlfriend at prom, and that got blasted on TikTok, where everyone at that high school sees it. Literally the same scenario. I get hating CEOs, we're on the same page. But we should acknowledge find stuff about people online very easily is a thing now.
"people didn't doxx him, he got recognized" THIS.
was thinking the other day about how outlandish the 1998 movie The Truman Show would seem today, because we've totally inverted its premise to be our day-to-day reality
Reminds me of Ai Weiwei’s self-surveillance and copious posting while under house arrest in Beijing.
Sharing photos/videos of strangers just living their lives was already very bad. Doing work to connect those with progress identities was just an obvious (and dystopian) next step.
You’re right tho! This was almost exactly what we (people who care about privacy) were concerned about when fucking Clearview emerged. That the tool would inevitably break law enforcement containment and be used to effectuate the next phase of the panopticon and well
kiss cams are the surveillance state btw
All Citizens Are Bastards (thanks to social media being weaponized for crowdsourced surveillance)
I cannot say how "kiss cams" are being used now, but certainly that was not their intention. Is it implied that facial recognition was used at the concert to select the couple? That would be awful. An affair is a risky adventure, which is what draws many to it so I'm still not going to pity
Kiss cams are used with production camera which I can assure you are NOT government surveillance tools. This is stupid
TY It seemed like ridiculous speculation to me, but I didn't want to go completely on my assumption.
Bro definitely got rejected on cam.
This is dumb as fuck, dude. Your brain melted right out of your head.
Only for the guilty
Living in the panjumbocon
So do you think anyone should have camera at home or at their business and why or why not?
also, jumbotron marriage proposals are coercion
if there's more than a certain threshold of people watching your proposal, the proposed should be allowed a week or so to potentially change their mind
You okay ?
Weird take
also the surveillance state: license plate readers that track women who drive across state lanes to seek abortion care. it’d be much appreciated but our community if you could add that to the list!
There's no expectation of privacy at a concert with a jumbotron
How do you know if a concert is going to have a jumbotron? I’ve only been to one event that might have had one.
venue size
You google the venue
Yeah, I’m gathering it isn’t something coldplay carts around with their gear.
Nope. There may be filmographers there for the band but they are hired by and focused on the band
Every one of these big stadium tours uses entirely their own gear. Coldplay (and Beyoncé and Bruce and whoever your fav is) is absolutely trucking, setting up and tearing down the entirety of their stage set up, and that includes cameras and screens.
This is an irrelevant line of questioning here. You don't have an expectation of privacy in a room with 10,000 people ever
I am asking because I want to avoid jumbotrons.
No, they’re run by Coldplay, not the state.
No they're not
Well now you’re going to have to add “kiss cams are the surveillance state” to the merch store
Kiss cams have definitely been marshalled into the surveillance state. I think they had a different valence before such images were widely shareable. But now, with the ubiquitous transfer of images on the internet, it's contributed to the shrinkage of the private sphere.
LOL what?
Yap God
while I'm scolding ppl, this article is currently 20x more popular than our scoop from an hour ago about ICE's new facial recognition app, which is perhaps the most powerful/concern face rec database/tool widely deployed. happy to use current events to start a convo www.404media.co/inside-ices-...
why are you a loser
Electronic digital face hoods.
I know I wish I never used the facial recognition on my phone.
Body cams on the police have been helpful in reducing violence against people. Public cameras are a different story. The only use case I can see for them is if there are complaints about crime on dark alleys it could help reduce crime there. There should be auto deletion of video <48 hours after.
You didn't "use current events to start a conversation" you intentionally wrote an article you knew would generate negative engagement because you're a shithead who wants attention.
These are very good points. The thing with the Coldplay show and the CEO is a perfect meme storm: *HR officer*, *CEO*, a band people like to make fun of, privileged rich white people getting caught for bad judgment for once. But yeah it's ultimately part of a larger problem.
How do you feel about taking attention away from the more important story to instead promote this braindead rage bait? Feel good? Like a real big boy journalist?
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This all goes to show Blue Sky is not better than, say, twit-land in this regard - despite the alleged 'virtue' of BS vs the bird. - the reason I call this hellscape anti-social media.....
Take a page from the ICE playbook...start wearing a mask
Whenever the public focuses on the wrong thing, I think about this passage in Fahrenheight 451.
Agree with everything here. However - I think this is making news because he’s not a random person. He’s a CEO and she’s a CPO. The Luigi news shows people are tiring of the rich and the exceptions they make for themselves in our norms and legal system. USians have hit a threshold with the rich.
really don't care if you disagree with me, i think constantly filming everything everywhere is bad, i think the widespread deployment of facial recognition is bad, i think the fact there are cameras everywhere inside of arenas & that increasingly you have to use your face to buy a hot dog is bad
And can I just mention Peter Thiel’s Palantir project? Deeply worrying.
I always think people filming people in public is bad. but jumbotrons have been a thing since the 80's. If you're not cheating, then I don't see a problem. if you are cheating bsky.app/profile/thel...
All of my neighbors having ring type cameras creeps me out, I can’t even go for a walk without being recorded 40 times? This is a safe neighborhood, you don’t need this shit.
every ring camera deserves a little love tap with a screwdriver, as a little treat, wear a baseball cap, lots of harmful UV rays about late at night
I have 5 outdoor cameras. Good luck getting to all of them at once. I also have a collection of sigs. You want privacy? Stay inside. 😉
We're not really talking about you specifically, but congrats on the fortified compound you big tough sovereign citizen you
Who are you? You have no expectation of privacy when you're out in public. Even in your safe while suburban home. Get over it. 🤣
Cry-laugh emoji, never fails
I have a coworker with a ring camera and she's constantly checking on her phone and freaking out because it's pushed her a movement notification. It's bushes rustling in the breeze every time
As if we needed to add to our own anxiety these days. The government watches our lives closely enough. We don’t need to do it to each other.
then you should have written that article without trying to shoehorn in the almost-unrelated hot gossip news of the day
Wow you are interesting, I couldn't disagree with you more....
Disagree with who?
There’s good stuff in your piece here. Well worth discussing. Try to tune out all the noise you’re gonna get for being the party pooper, lol.
have you read Transparent Society by @davidbrin.bsky.social
You shouldn’t feel bad! You are entitled to your own opinions just like the rest of us.
In Nevada you need a DL, or photo ID to buy cigarettes no matter how old you are!! I think even those ring doorbells are a way of tracking us..
I remember reading a book, "Prophecy", by psychic Sylvia Browne that predicted facial and iris recognition, said we would be living with a big dome over the country, and that everyone would have computer chips inside them with all of their info. It was written 21 years ago. Seems possible now.
I don’t really care that you don’t really care.
I don’t understand how this is in any way a controversial take and yet some of these responses…. woof!
Gen Z simply accepts this as their reality, and then applies standard victim blaming arguments. "Well, you *knew* this sort of thing happens, so you're responsible for it happening to you."
it's your reality too and it isn't gen z people making it like this lmao
Who would be responsible for the cheating besides the two cheaters?
As far as I can tell, the issue is not the cheating, but the surveillance and the doxxing.
Ok boomer
It’s the Luigi effect: “yeah, yeah, murder’s bad, but…” If he wasn’t a CEO, nobody would (pretend to) care. And they’d be far less likely to make up excuses about our surveillance society being something we shouldn’t fix!
It reminds me of the responses I get when I ask people not to post "AI answers" to things on Facebook. People dislike hearing that they got their dopamine hit from doing something kind of crappy.
It feels like none of these people have watched The Truman Show, or Enemy of the State, or Ed TV, or listened to World Star, or anything about how constantly being filmed changes you in ways that are overwhelmingly NOT GOOD. Feel like Hollywood also failed when they stopped making these movies lol.
This ceo knows he is being filmed all over and clearly didn’t change any behaviors…
I think shitty reporters writing negative engagement clickbait for attention is a much bigger problem. You guys have basically ruined the world. No one trusts the press anymore, and it's because of shitheads like you.
I was finally forced to “upgrade” from an iPhone 8 to 13 and holy crap is it annoying and inefficient to do anything securely without turning on the face ID
I disagree with you because I'm not a misognist.
If I had a business anywhere near Palantir’s Denver HQ and its other locations, I’d deny service to Palantir traitors/employees.
I AGREE 1 billion percent with this larger, much more important principle. We now have a “win at all cost, the law is what I say it is” authoritarian govt, and they will take every video feed in America & feed it to Palantir. Evades restrictions Congress put on NSA. Worst. Thing. Ever. It’s 1984
I don't understand how and why is this considered as a hot take 😔
I really wish more people had read and will read @davidbrin.bsky.social 1998 book, The Transparent Society. He argues that it's inevitable, but who controls them isn't, and that's an important fight.
You are correct though!!! And I appreciate you saying it and writing this up!!!
Kisscams are not constant.
I think all of these things are bad, but Jumbrotrons have been around for decades, this guy's company is contributing to the surveillance state, and he's a cheater who hired an equally unethical HR head. Tl;dr he's not the hill I would die on.
Even the Willy Wonka pinball says it’s gonna take a picture of your face.
I fucking hate ring doorbells. Most houses in our white middle class neighborhood have security cameras mounted on them too. I am such a boring person and I hate it so much.
I'm old enough to remember how horrifying the Chinese social state was to Americans. The state was smart enough to boil us like frogs.
Yeah. It's got a lot of potential to go Handmaid's Tale.
Not a journalist 🙄 lol
Didn’t this sort of thing happen (all the time) in China during Covid. It was a little uproar over here in the states over it. The way all this stuff is becoming normal is really frightening.
Exactly. It opens the door a little wider in letting the government take your right to privacy away. I think for Americans, the Patriot Act is what really spearheaded this initiative.
Didn’t the patriot act come up again during Biden? I thought I remembered a hearing about it. The defense against it sure is quiet now. 😒
I agree that constantly filming every everyone everywhere is bad But when you are in public, there is no assumption of privacy unless you’re ignorant And I’m still trying to find the hot dog vendor that requires facial recognition Or is that just hyperbole?
Sure, it's hard to avoid being photographed or filmed. Yet no one should assume they *will* be doxxed for being in public.
Being recognized while cheating on your wife is not doxxing.
"It's cool if you do it to bad people"
the scenario involving these two dipshits and your broader point are not the same thing - they were engaged in bad behavior, and the .0001 pct scenario of them getting caught in that extreme fashion hit. Their reaction was the telling part which exacerbated the whole thing. Play stupid games...
I agree
Yeah, facial recognition tech at the Intuit Dome is dystopian. But so is cheating on your partner in public and expecting anonymity. We can be worried about surveillance creep and admit that people exposing their own behavior in front of 50,000 phones isn’t a privacy violation.
If you “don’t care” why post this?
Maybe don’t cheat opening in public… is that bad ?
This is the same type of thinking as “if you did nothing wrong, you shouldn’t worry that the police are searching your home.”
You failed all logic classes I see, like opsec is a thing and they went I t PUBLIC !! Guess a co worker was with them so it’s not a huge secret….
Your reaction is deeply concerning.
You think cold play is the state ??
They are part of the problem if they use this tech
Did someone break into the room and film him cheating on his wife? Or was he in public, violating both his marriage vows (prenuptial agreements) and the very definition of what someone in an HR leadership role is responsible for- namely to ensure no supervisor abuses their power over a subordinate?
Why does his infidelity concern you so much, and seemingly more than the rise of a surveillance state in this country?
A kiss camera ???
Yes. I actually would not like to be put on a big screen and the person doing it should not be surprised if I beat the crap out of him.
If you allow this kind if stuff you are sooner or later fucked. Because the government or anybody that gets their hands on this data will use this at some point against you.
It's not a system that's designed to only catch wrongdoings that you or I personally believe should be punished. Think about what this technology is actually capable of doing, and for whom.
The kiss cam ???
I agree on the surveillance and facial recognition. I just think the example you are using is not that and distracts from rather than illustrates the larger point. The fact this kisscam story gets more traction than one about ICE using facial recognition, though, *that* could make a good point.
Correct, but also if it happens enough to wealthy tech CEOs and in cartoonishly embarrassing style perhaps we (reluctant jacobins all) can get the momentum to stop it.
If your point is that constantly filming everything everywhere is bad maybe just say that instead, I agree with that. I don't give a shit about people getting outed for cheating, that's always been a thing.
I went to a football game a couple of weeks ago and they'd replaced the bar with a facial recognition just walk out thing. Was absolutely horrified when I realised what I walked in to and then realising they still had people checking IDs and enforcing per customer limits so what's the point?
Think of yourself as a test subject.🤖
We are backsliding into the same citizen-score-like bs that so many criticized China for, only with commercial authoritarians.
Yeah. The infrastructure is in place. And guys like that data pipeline CEO will profit from it.
Palantir entered the chat…
Cops don’t care where the camera footage came from.
We're talking about two different issues. 1. Public surveillance is bad 2. Holding rich people accountable is good
Accountable for what?
Right? You can't hold a stranger accountable for cheating. Most people cant even hold their partners accountable for cheating, tbh.
I can’t speak for OP, but to me obv a bunch of strangers can’t hold someone accountable for cheating and isn’t our business, but since it’s a CEO with his head of HR, it sends massive signs that there are likely going to be fishy and maybe illegal actions going on at the company,
which employees (although let’s be real, the focus is going to be on investors) deserve to be aware of
It's something for employees, investors, collaborators with the company to have something to say about. But there's no regulatory framework for investigating any of these companies, regardless of whether the CEO having an affair with the head of HR is indicative of something more dangerous.
Literally anything. Just one thing for a change
What goals are achieved by exposing this guy as an unfaithful cheater? He's a ceo, it's a given
I like more cameras in the way that it makes it so much easier to document harm committed by police, ICE, etc. But fully agree that facial recognition is a very dark path.
That all said, and I agree with you, it's nice to see poetic justice to these arrogant, "I'm above it all" assholes that are destroying everything I stand for! 🙂
It won't be nice when it happens to you.
Im not a CEO on camera with a woman who is not my wife. So there's that. 🤷🏼
Yes. Hopefully the people involved in these surveillance companies like Pete Thiel only ever use the tech to catch cheating CEOs.
Yeah......not quite. They have a fat darker plan. Surveillance and terror is the plan. Productivity per Capita to thin the herd. See: Hungary or Russia They're watching us!!👀
You can simply not cheat, boom. Problem solved.
As far as I can tell, the issue discussed in the thread is not the cheating, but the surveillance and the doxxing.
good luck trying to change that nowadays😂
You have no idea what doxxing is you sound like a clown.
Using irrelevant and incorrect examples to illustrate a real problem is bad.
I agree with you 100%
The toothpaste is out of the tube. The time to gripe about this was probably 40 years ago, when UK and other countries really stepped up video surveillance in response to terrorism concerns. And even if you use a hoodie/big sunglasses disguise, they're perfecting "gait ID."
It's honestly weird how many people are disagreeing with this just so they can get a few quick schadenfreude moments
I think it might be the fact that getting caught cheating because you went to a very public event known to have attendees appear on camera is nothing like being doxxed and is the consequences of their own behavior.
etc www.kcrw.com/news/shows/k...
Ugh. I will never go there, that's for sure. Any company/org using facial recognition can get fucked. And I say that as a person whose retinal patterns and full handprints are in some dark DOD and DOE data vaults
This is not what DOXXING is. Doxxing would be if they released all of their personal information and phone numbers so people can call and harass them.
You have a photo/video & a geolocation, doesn’t take many more steps than that.
Do you think everyone is going what…call the venue to harass these people? How does knowing these two people were at this concert yesterday give you ANY personal info about them?
The GOVERNMENT certainly can figure it out, which is the point. (There are plenty of OSINT techniques, too.)
I do not care what happens to these rich people and this instance does not in ANYWAY support, promote, or increase the surveillance state we are already living in. This is an incredibly goofy example for you and the OP to use to rail against surveillance (which I am also against, this ain’t that).
They are doing that though. This paragraph is right there in the article.
Jesus Christ, this is all about people commenting on their fucking Linkd In? You all are ridiculous. If you are sorry a millionaire had mean comments on their linked in, our priorities are soooo different.
Your priority should be not to fall into the same fascistic way of thinking about the world as the people you claim to oppose
our priorities are realizing that it could happen to you tomorrow, for literally any reason or no reason at all, and thinking that would be bad
i mean i wouldn't be cheating on my spouse in public
I guess the answer is that if you want to cheat, don't do it in public.
oh man has this got you rethinking taking your sidepiece to a concert
I'm not defending a millionaire or his cheating habits lol I'm agreeing that it shouldn't be possible to instantly look up anybody online from a picture of their face. Also come on, you really think people are stopping at a LinkedIn comment, this dude's address is absolutely out there by now
That ship has sailed. A LONG time ago, too. I remember bitching about it online, 20+ years ago! It's unlikely they'll ever unpick this stitch--the only way around it is to find ways to make yourself difficult to be identified, if you want to hide. Otherwise, welcome to the brave new world. Ugh.
can I ask if the other couples on Coldplay Kiss Cam from the concert have been identified and outed or just these two? Did someone who knew their IDs, their family sitch, and was in attendance push out the evidence of indiscretions? Must everyone be silent in the face of such activities?
It seems you're struggling to grasp the point of the discussion
A social media account is not a phone number or even an email address! It's a place to make yourself easy to find on the internet, on purpose
This is a little beside the point but I'm genuinely asking, how difficult do you think it is to find a phone number or email address from someone's name, place of work, and job title?
That's a different question, and you're not genuinely asking it
He's a public figure. That info was ALREADY public--Google had it. That's not doxing. The KISS CAM didn't do it either. He did it to HIMSELF, by going to a concert with his side piece, getting grabby, and getting caught on KISS CAM. This was an entirely avoidable incident--he did it to himself.
thats also not doxxing lol. doxxing means people have access to you in REAL LIFE. not posting on your facebook wall
How is Name, name of family members and coworkers, and name and location of company you work at not real life? That's like step 1 of 2 of finding out someone's address, it's not that difficult.
name - he's a public figure, a CEO of a company with a billion dollar valuation company - see above address - yeah, this would be crossing a line. was that also released?
No, doxxing means posting someone's pii online without permission, which is what happened in this case.
i think it’s extremely funny that you’re ‘splaining doxxing to Jason Koebler, of all people, but not in a way that’s at all flattering towards you
You simultaneously talk extensively on this subject and scold others for talking about this subject; you stick up for cheating ceos and think kiss cams are surveillance state lmfao man you are funny. Do you perform your comedy routine twice a day? Are matinees cheaper to see this shtick? 😂💀
You are dead wrong. CEO’s are not people and do not deserve human rights.
Jason! I don’t know if you’ll see this, but recently in the streets of NY I see someone just walking, filming everything, at least once a week. Like, camera just on a stick and they’re filming. If I worked in a touristy area, I might understand it. But… it feels more like the Google cars for Maps.
Have you heard of projects to map faces in large urban areas?
Not THE ACTION KID, surely! There are people who take walks around ordinary neighborhoods and film them on You Tube; they're very popular. Action Kid is one. Joolz Guides from UK is big, too. There's a guy in Tehran who does wonderful videos--you feel like you're back there.
No nothing like that. They all have the same set-up, walking and not talking, just straight filming. Maybe they are filming for influencers? I saw two in the same walk home a week ago and I don’t live in a particularly photogenic or at all famous neighborhood, so it stood out.
Those exist. The Iranian doesn't talk (he does walk through all my old neighborhoods/hang outs). There's a guy in UK who doesn't either.They'll sometimes add written remarks in post production. The best ones try to film without any breaks. Here's one from Japan: www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_5w...
You'll have to click through to YT--I guess the guy is monetized.
And none of it works properly but I guarantee you they got my face a million times.
True story- I was at BOS for an international flight. It was an early flight ,I did not have makeup on. The facial recognition device did not recognize me, &they tried to shuffle me off to security. I refused to follow instructions & followed my partner. Resolved by a human looking at my passport.
We don’t need a personal surveillance state full of wannabe James Dolans www.theverge.com/news/637228/...
Thanks for posting this. I couldn’t remember the details enough to find it to share
The fact that Dolan probably had someone on his security team manually upload instagram face photos from a random hater really demonstrates the limits of rich people having that level surveillance power (or anyone)
A vice principal at my high school, who later moved to Montana and ran for the state legislature as a Republican, unsuccessfully, had a name that sounded like “cheetah,” and banned people from having Cheetos schwag displayed in/on their locker, with the exception of a guy named Chester.
No one would have thought to do this except for the ban, because who TF has Cheetos schwag? And somehow this guy is 10× more petty, and I’m guessing more racist.
what, do you want the nanny state to shove a camera up your asshole and watch your prostate for you?
Who's wrong?
Why am I wrong?
Corporates want us to be totally reliant on using their systems to live. Face recognition is perhaps one of the last vestiges of the barriers to making that fully realised. The last will be combining face recognition with DNA analysis.
You’re not wrong.
Wonderful. It should be a law your digital footprint is owned by you and you have the right to your likeness
Creepy AF
What’s your general feel on people getting fired because of genuinely rough behavior (showing my cards this one always felt weird to me) www.nbcnews.com/sports/nfl/f...
Does it involve doxxing?
In this case I believe so. He said c*** at a football game. Went viral because guy was a content creator wearing a GoPro. People found his LinkedIn and he got fired
I read your comments in this and agree. These cameras everywhere are really bad. Surveillance state!! And did you know all the kids ICE is arresting, they are taking DNA samples from and putting it in a database.
Someone in my household who uses Twitter told me about what he called the “Coldplay story” 20 minutes ago and I am pretty happy that when it surfaced in my Bluesky feed it was through this thread.
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yes it very much is, yet we live in a society where it is only considered bad for wealthy powerful people. Excuse the plebs for feeling a little pleasure when there's a little just deserts for them for their shitty actions once in a while.
I agree with you.
Tired: Panopticon Inspired: Jumbotron
I just came back through US customs from an overseas trip this week. They scanned my face and didn’t even LOOK at my passport.
They didn't even take the passport? It contains a digital copy of your information including a picture of your face, contained in an embedded NFC chip. I think they also optically scan the page with your photo and info to cross-check on monitor.
Yes, I was really surprised. Especially since I had read horror stories about US Customs looking through people’s phones etc. I just looked into an iPad type thing for facial recognition and the officer waved me on. I don’t use Global Entry or anything like that, either.
Not sure if its true but I read online that the "look into the camera" thing is optional and you can say you don't want to lol. But who knows.
Yeah when they check you going INTO security if you’re flying out, they do that. And they check your passport then. Not when you come back through Customs on the way back. This was in ATL, where I’ve flown out and into internationally 20 times so the change was obvious to me.
I can thread the needle between “gangstalking internet weirdos punishing people for minor social infractions or etc is bad” and “the show Seinfeld and other pre Internet sitcoms had jokes about getting caught on a tv broadcast or Jumbotron and it ruining your shit. That’s not the same thing
you’re right and you should say it 😤
"Kiss cams" have always been gross and intrusive but surveillance systems, facial recognition and people's willingness to doxx is a whole new level
I went to rent a van at Home Depot and in order to do so I was required to get my face scanned. (I declined.)
I can agree with all those premises and still ask how you think something will be done of it?
Is the reporter's job to solve the problem?
You say problem as if it were a tractable/solvable issue. Philosophers have been writing about this for 75 years and yet the scientists and engineers won out. Put cameras everywhere and in everything and you can’t so easily turn back the clock.
I’m with you. It’s too big brother. I resent the fact that I can’t use cash at most Sports arenas or Concert Venues. Frankly, I wish someone would bring a class action lawsuit. Cash is legal tender for all debts public & private. How can places REFUSE to take CASH? I find it INFURIATING. 🤬☮️💙💔
: I agree.
I agree with you. I remember when "Lieutenant Dan" was the big thing on TikTok. I was thinking, "This could ruin his life." Then pretty soon everyone knew his history and had opinions, and all he wanted was to ride out a storm in his boat. Pretty sure he lost the boat, too.
Did you see that guys rap sheet?
What guy?
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You wrote about a guy?
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Have you seen joy in your eyes when you look in the mirror?
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Yeah I thought as much
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A few years ago China news boasted of “walk recognition” so even if masked, your gait and swagger could identify you. I don’t know if it’s true or propaganda, but I pictured a lot of people in big weird costumes (like a mascot maybe the same Disney character?) at protests.
Do a barrel roll
Yeah, all that shit sucks. But nobody made the CEO of a facial recognition company have an affair with his subordinate employee, who’s in charge of monitoring the very thing he’s doing with her, at a public venue where the price of the tickets was paid for with corporate money has cameras present.
That's like 1% as important as the omnipresent surveillance tools. This case provides an emotionally evocative "Yeah, fuck that guy!" moral narrative that helps the poison pill go down that little bit easier.
No. I said elsewhere everyone involved with the surveillance state needs to face the wall. This shitlicker running a facial recognition company is too stupid to hide his affair from a place where cameras are ever present. He should know better than most where not to go when fucking the HR manager.
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more like happy to use clickbait to make a bad and clumsy point about an actual issue for personal gain
sux how negative attn is smtms the best attn
You're competing against platforms, not just stories. TikTok and Reddit are blowing up over this drama rn.
thanks for the coverage of this important story. question: the article mentions state databases but doesn't elaborate. do you have more info about these state databases?
we don't know for sure. but some states have mugshot databases for example, and some share them to fusion centers or have different data sharing agreements where they hook their own smaller databases into larger ones. this is from a cop website but things like this: www.police1.com/police-produ...
ok thank you
I’m telling you, when the weather gets colder we should all just walk around with belaclavas on.
That's brutal. I get why, but man, just frustrating. I don't think I've expressed enough thanks for covering that story, by the way. Beyond grateful.
AKCAB
perhaps you have heard of the patriot act, jason
Aww, sorry to hear that you got rejected at one and have been carrying that pain for a while
ACAB includes Coldplay.
And CEOs
ACAB includes kiss cams!
I dunno about “surveillance state” but I’m shocked this many people are willing to defend filming random people in public.
They aren’t random people. They are people who were in a very visible $15,000 VIP box at a venue with the largest video board in the US (22 thousand square feet) that shows audience members at every event
Jason and Jeremy defending rich people at a concert in full view of the audience. Great take by the Miracle Whip Mafia
“Could happen to any one of us” it absolutely couldn’t, my guy
I’m not defending that man. Fuck him. I just thought these things were only at sporting events and now I’m finding out they’re at concerts, too. So I want to avoid anywhere that might have one. I don’t like being filmed!
If you're out in public you're being filmed.
And you’re okay with that?
Cameras have been in grocery stores, department stores, gas stations since when....the 70s. Unless you make laws narrowing the scope of use, etc. this horse left the barn long ago
Dashcams, Ring cams,… you’re on camera somewhere even if the only thing you do all day is get your mail
I think it’s a reality we have to learn to contend with
Definitely want my kids to know that there is a chance that they are being filmed and to carry themselves with this knowledge.
I get it! You’ll want to also see if concert goers are allowed to film or photograph in a venue you are considering. At the venue this happened, they are not, but in other places and smaller venues they are. You can be inadvertently in the frame of someone’s shot or footage
On top of that, when you go to a concert in a big arena it says VERY CLEARLY EVERYWHERE that you WILL BE FILMED. They knew this. This is not a surveillance issue. This is not a privacy issue. They didn't read the fine print. FAFO.
Yup
it would be cool if we could just not be content. i do not wish to be content. and this is seen, somehow, as weird. i am the weird one. what a world.
Are you saying CONtent, or conTENT? I feel like the lack of the second one leads to people chasing the first one thinking it's gonna fill the void in their lives...
i mean, in this context, it's not "gee I wish I could be miserable." also i am already very good at being miserable; I would not wish for more.
You're giving off some real "I stand with healthcare CEOs" energy with this take.
Saying that someone stands with CEOs because they think a surveillance police state is bad is like saying someone stands with murders because they think gun violence is out of control.
I didn't say what you're saying I said.
Only feds get mad about good opsec.
I love your work and have no dog in this fight so no shade, I just feel like thinking thru these arguments: filming something that happens on a jumbotron isn't doxing (kiss cams existed before smartphones!) & altho I agree w not filming ppl in public, a CEO of a tech company isn't a "random" person
Filming the jumbotron obviously isn't doxing. Publicly identifying the people in the video could be considered doxing, though, and that's what's being discussed here.
It's the treatment of other people's lives as an abstract source of entertainment. Like they're watching a TV show with fictional characters rather than actual real people. It's the virality that's problematic, not that they were filmed.
"It's cool if you do it to a person you later learn is bad" - is that the argument?
There are over 80,000 companies in the USA with roughly the same number of employees or more (according to NAICS). I don't think being a CEO makes you some kind of public person. It also doesn't make you someone who makes good decisions.
having around the same number of employees is very much the wrong metric when the company in question is a unicorn, ie over $1 billion. a company could have the same number of employees and make a miniscule fraction of what their revenue is.
by going to a highly-public and highly visible place (especially standing on a balcony in a crowd) that is known to have jumbotrons with your side piece and then further engaging in a PDA with said sidepiece, you're accepting the risk of being seen, even if not on a jumbotron. a gamble regardless!
The poly market thing is so fucked, not to mention all the brands squeezing this for free advertising. I don’t think it’s buzzkill behavior to point out folks are descending like a pack of hyenas
I understand we’re seen, followed and exploited for profit and power. It’s a shame. This is so. And when the following, exploiting profiteers inadvertently dox themselves, I’ll allow/ enjoy/ celebrate momentarily.
Shut up bitch
our local news reporter "you play silly games, you get silly prizes" 😂
Lordy. I did not realize that was what was going. Imagine being his wife and seeing that.
That's not what doxxing is boohoo the guy cheating on his wife very, very publicly with an employee got caught, oh well
Is she 13 yrs old?? And is he a Christian nationalist also? God asked me to ask. Amen 🙏
Don't be a shady fuck and you don't have to worry about being identified, I intentional or not, for doing shady things?
When CEOs get mildly inconvenienced, the papers are like "Massively overhaul society to prevent this!"
Ugh.
No. This is classic arrogant type A behavior of a CEO who clearly has an Inappropriate relationship with a subordinate and who was stupid enough not to realize he wouldn’t get caught at a Coldplay concert. You can’t believe the number of idiots like this I’ve come across in corporate life. OMG
Same
It's odd how much traction this story is getting on every social media platform. Perhaps some media campaign to distract us from another important story?
Correct
You gave a prime example of someone famous, and so the point flew over everybody's head. We're living with the Beta version of Ctos. Nobody talks about the bad shit it can be used for.
Wonder how many of these righteous people have voted for trump, the upstanding citizen.
this guy is a millionaire who very likely supports the development of surveillance technology
He would have gotten away with it if he just kissed her.
This is not what doxxing is, this is not anything like filming random strangers, he got caught stepping out in public, something that has been happening since antiquity, and finally I doubt you'd be defending a non rich cis white guy in quite the same the same way
It's all good when peasants are under surveillance but not when parasitic bludgercuntsl capitalists are
Wait a minute. Getting caught cheating while being out at a public event, where you have no expectation of privacy, that’s just bad luck. Anything else is just ridiculous.
He was having a private affair in a public setting. Fuck around, find out. Zero sympathy for idiot CEO.
Wait are you a journalist or a CEOs safety advocate?
It’s wild how fast this stuff goes viral. It’s just everywhere. Any social media app I’ve opened all afternoon — this story is first in line.
He'll take early retirement with a $multimillion payout and a seat on the Board of Directors. She'll be fired. Also, THIS WASN'T DOXING.
Boo Hoo. Cheaters deserve to be exposed!
I'm inclined to agree. People can do crap things that are deeply impactful to their lives and those they are close too, but the level of backlash that happens from viral media is harmful to everyone in their life and not just them. It's not justice it's cruel and unusual torture.
Love that this is no way will help build the case that it's illegal for us to even talk about billionaires in public.
While I agree that it's very bad when people do deep dives on random folks minding their own business, I'm not sure that is the same thing as some dumbass ceo getting caught on the jumbotron at a concert.
the guide is solely this: is it punching up, or punching down? focusing on powerful people is the natural order of things. the powerful want us to think we're just like them so we think they deserve things Regular People deserve, like privacy, or rights, or any of it. they're the elite. Fuck them.
This is actually a really good point, and it also resolves the issue of "what is genuine humor and what is just cruel mockery followed with a laugh"?
I just think he automatically got caught because he was already a prominent person and he was on a jumbotron.
But if they were Just Like Us, they wouldn't have more money than God or all the privileges and goodies associated with being very rich and prominent.
Yep that's the implication. They are, uh, Not Like Us. Also the Elites really do appear to be "certified pedophiles," as the lyric goes. See, e.g., Epstein, Clinton, Trump, Dersh, etc., etc., etc., criminally long list of evil people all at the very top of global governance and power.
Classic rule of good humor, always punch up.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you high? The two went to a concert with thousands of people, and got caught on camera. Fuck man, the lead singer of Coldplay even cracked a joke about them which happened to be true. What’s wrong with you? Paranoid much?
They managed to outsource the surveillance state to mediocre NPCs obsessed with getting internet points
I have no love lost for these two, they fucked up and are facing the karma. That said, it wasn't just the jumbotron footage itself that was shared, people were filming the jumbotron with their phones, looking for embarrassing stuff and when it happened they jumped on social media to share it.
I do find that problematic in itself. Yeah, CEOs and their HR mistresses suck. Yeah, they deserve the consequences of their actions. And yeah, they were in a public place. Still, are we seriously happy that our entire lives are filmed these days so others can get social media clout from it?
Screw the CEO and others like him who feel they are above consequences. But a panopticon is still a panopticon even if it sometimes catches assholes who deserve it. Sometimes it can be a good thing to have footage like with police stops and ICE raids, I'm not intending to the deny that usefulness.
However, are we really happy with a culture with a surging puritanical fascist Christian nationalist bent filming everything we do with greater and greater precision and accuracy? I think that is the ultimate concern Koebler is point out here. A surveillance state, even one made by citizens is bad.
For those saying that we should just discuss that instead, why conflate it with the CEO, he did point out why sometimes you need to use the tools available to you. I wish it wasn't the case but it's a fact that more people click a headline about a cheating CEO and Coldplay. bsky.app/profile/jaso...
I know that naturally we should have less of an expectation of privacy when in public, maybe even no privacy at all in some cases. Yet, I still would hope that most people would disapprove of everything we do while outside of our homes being filmed, of every move we make being tracked.
if we had any class solidarity at all then nobody would be trying to defend this AI tech CEO's right to privacy, except other rich people. this CEO profits from the panopticon.
counterpoint: this is a man who is married with children and is doing this in a public space with his co-workers present. he does not want to be private with his indiscretions. the only people worthy of privacy and sympathy RN is his wife and children.
Stalkers have used every form imaginable out there. It never was about the tools; always about the chase and the imaginary notion of control.
They were cheating in public. There was no expectation of privacy.
I agree.
Dude went to the MOST public setting possible and expects privacy? This isn’t his neighborhood, his home, or even a private business. This is broad daylight in front of thousands and thousands of people.
there's certainly nuance being lost here. Yeah, I'd say how they acted on the kiss cam is enough to raise suspicion to be looked into, but the tools should be "does anyone recognize this person" not "feed it to The Great Watcher." Public accountability and surveillance can exist independently
So they have an affair. So they have a divorce. So the fuck what.
Did they know before tv’ing them? That it was an affair?
Exactly
This is not doxxing. Stop it.
So pointing out a known person is doing? Wtf
There’s a disclaimer whenever you buy a ticket to a public event like a concert or a sporting event that you’re agreeing the use of your image and likeness to be used in photographs, videos, or other recordings of the event. There’s always that risk. Maybe don’t cheat but especially in public?
I mean, people are free to do whatever, but seems like PDA is a bad idea if you're trying to keep an affair quiet
Doesn't really invalidate the surveillance state we're living in. Nobody gives a shit what happens to this dude as a consequence of his cheating, but the principle of the issue is that it could happen to literally anyone regardless of fame/infamy.
If he was bold enough to be in public cheating on his wife, he has to deal with the consequences. And truthfully had he just acted calm instead of hiding, this video would’ve never gone viral and there wouldn’t be an issue but that’s the risk you take when go out in public and do shit l
Okay cool; that has nothing to do with what I said.
It absolutely does. He was at a concert. Everyone knows that when you go to concerts they film. Your surveillance state comment would make more sense had he been walking down the street and been outed. He outed himself.
Read the second half of the original post, please, and then come back to this conversation.
Yeah the point I made still stands. No need to continue this conversation because neither one of us are going to change the others mind.
I haven't argued with your point at all. I don't even disagree with you. It's just not the point of the post. You're arguing with nobody.
Then the laws need to be passed to change things. Not sure why anyone things they'll have privacy at a concert.
It's not about public privacy expectations.
As if this is at all comparable to sitting on a plane while being attractive 😵🙄 no logic. No wonder the writer ends by saying he doesn’t care if people agree 😂
Did you mistype? Doxing the hypocrisy of public figures doesn't compare in any way with sexualizing private individuals and I think it is fairly easy for most to draw that line.
We have literally helped create a surveillance state but a Jumbotron is not the issue. Your argument is better suited for ring cameras or public filming of people. Also it’s helped by our lack of privacy laws. The Jumbotron is a known expected feature of stadiums.
Pairing this with facial recognition tech is actually a huge issue.
On that I agree. It’s really unsettling that people decided to seek them out and are harassing his wife because they feel entitled to people’s lives. A lot of that is propelled by people treating horrific situations in ppl’s lives as entertainment.
If the death of someone’s child is treated as content obviously that line of thinking will extend to someone’s affair. We need a cultural change towards how we treat people’s lives and a respect for people’s privacy. We also need to repeal the patriot act.
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This is not doxxing - this is called being a dumbass and getting caught. Her friend got the humor 😏😆😆😆
There is a surveillance state but these dumbasses decide to have an affair and then stand around in public engaging in PDA at a concert for a shitty band that's known for doing a kiss cam gimmick. They did this to themselves. That's why they reacted that way, they knew they would be recognized.
Very valid point. Maybe we all need to wear masks. Maybe a new fashion trend in the making. Could have build in heating for winter.
I think it’s ok if society wants to ostracize or otherwise ridicule people who cheat, among other things
Nah, I dont buy this fearmongering shit, dude went to a public event with his mistress and got caught. Theres no surveillence conspiracy or even doxxing, plenty of people recognisef him from the video itself. Stop using this as a scare tactic.
Exactly
This is a really naïve take. Adultery isn't a crime in the US. You should be afraid of socially conservative people abusing this tech. We are under threat by the Christian Right.
Hahahaha "You should be afraid" Stay home if you're afraid, dont try to scare people for no reason, y'all are ridiculous. Find real problems to cry about, there are plenty.
It’s weird how triggered people get over trivial things that don’t affect them. Big brother bad..yes, I get it. But the issue wasn’t the cameras, it was that they were having the affair and got caught
That's a passive aggressive lil statement. I usually hear "triggered" used like this by MAGAts.
lol. You seem…triggered by that too.
You seem like a fascist.
See, triggered
You're ignorant.
Sure man, whatever you say, you're so much smarter and enlightened than all of us 😂😂😂😂😂
It’s not a crime but what’s your point. It’s still wrong. And while I don’t trust the right, the left can use it too
Agreed. This is a pretty ridiculous take on the whole thing.
Man these comments are depressing. People are out for blood, and it's really not good.
I was pretty much just scrolling until I found this. Thanks for being out there, feel like I can go to bed now.
Oh no, I can’t get away with being an asshole.
Meh.
Nah.
So two friends cannot enjoy a concert .....
Comparing a cheating ass CEO getting caught in public to ICE using facial recognition is absolutely crazy talk and boot licking behavior fix your heart man
Is it doxing if they're public figures? 🤔
Won't someone please think of the cheating CEO?
Oh...we're thinking about him alright...lol
The fact that he was a cheating douche bag doesn't negate the point that mass surveillance is still bad.
Your morals are your own. And mean nothing. The right to privacy trumps your brainwashing. If you can't the bigger picture, there's something wrong with you. I assume your comment was meant to be facetious. Stay out of other adults' business.
Jumbotrons have been around for 40 years. So have "kiss cams." Don't go to events with them if you want privacy. This isn't a new thing. And no, I'm not gonna pity a cheating piece of shit. He could get a divorce and this wouldn't be an issue.
Why is what two adults do such an issue for you? You worried about something?
Nope. Are you?
You pulled that one out of your arse. How am I not surprised? Anyway, bye now. Muted for stupidity.
So you *are* worried.
Accountability isn’t bad, it’s who gets to define what accountability is thats scary.
Doxxing would be targeting the half dozen other people in the video and digging up their laundry to publicize for no reason. Reporting these two is just news.
Didn't you know? Everything that journalists do is doxxing to the people who want to keep it secret!
I fully am aware that I am possibly being recorded/filmed anytime that I leave my residence. If I'm photographed with a married person at a beachfront restaurant, it's too bad. Bed made. Imo.
Doing absolutely nothing? Legally? Perhaps not. Morally? Well… Here’s a thing: they’re in a public space. No expectation of privacy. Turns out they were engaged in an inappropriate relationship. And got caught. You think their actions when they realized they were caught didn’t lead to the doxxing?
As the filmer of said interaction on the jumbotron said: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
"This is bad and you should feel bad because normal people could be affected!" Cites zero normal people. Dude got caught on a kiss cam cheating like in a bad 90s movie. That's not doxxing, or AI, or facial recognition programs. This is literally 1980s technology at work.
Normal people don't cheat on their husbands and wives.
Brilliant guys who quote "first they came for" but can't comprehend it was talking about them.
I missed the part in this story where the government or any sort of authority was involved, these people were persecuted in some way, or they faced punishment other than embarrassment and maybe a divorce or two. But go off fam.
Yeah, the libertarian ethos. It's ok if a privately owned org treats you like a possession as long as isnt the big bad government. Fam.
"Treats you like a possession?" Some guy did something really dumb in an extremely public setting and got caught. That's not the fault of anything but his own stupidity. That's like robbing a bank on camera without a mask and blaming the camera.
It isn't actually. Robbing a bank is a crime. I know you think you're The Punisher right now, but you're just a vicious old church lady
Imagine trying to quibble about details when you wanted to compare some guy getting caught cheating to a Holocaust poem, lmao. The evil fascist police state of kiss cams at public events are coming for you! Get a grip. When it comes to the list of shit to worry about, this doesn't crack top 100
Yeah, i know you didn't understand the poem. Yeah I know you think you'll be able to recognize that moral leap into evil. You certainly won't fall into evil through little steps. You're too smart.
I get it. Sitting on a throne of self-righteousness, hurling insults at those who don't capitulate to your superiority complex is all you know. Introspection at the idea that maybe you're being ridiculous is a challenge. So, you win. People should be able to cheat in public without consequences.
You're getting it. It's none of your business. Simple precept. I'm sorry you find it offensive.
SERIOUSLY. Like every sitcom set in LA has done the People Getting Caught on the Kiss Cam at the Staples Center (or whatever it’s called) trope for decades now.
Well, being at a concert cuddling and getting picked up by the jumbo trom os random
If they're cheating that's their own business. But if you're a CEO and canoodling the head of HR in broad, well, not daylight exactly, that's a problem.
Yeah. I love existing without being perceived and it’s now a luxury that rarely exists.
They are in a public forum where there is zero expectation of privacy. He’s only upset because his family will find out. He’s content keeping the secret. Now, I do have an issue with social media being obsessed with watching someone’s downfall but he should’ve stayed private.
This feels very insincere. It seems like you want to defend the rich assholes but know thatcwill look bad. So you're bringing up a tangental but mostly unrelated issue that is unquestionably bad and then equating them 1:1 even though that is in incredibly bad faith
For the people (like me) worried about a surveillance state, this is worse lol. Surveillance society is far far worse, specifically if it’s allowed to exist without restrictions. Big Brother is here my peeps. We did it… huzzah…
... and how many of those piling on are perfect people? Zero. The headline should be - Everyone has something to fear, everyone has something to hide. That's the real story.
lol I'm far from perfect but I also don't make limp dick excuses for my faults. I own that shit like a man
Yeesh! I'm not defending the dude, just so we're clear! ... just, also, none of us really have any privacy anymore ... and the sooner people understand the impact of that, the better. (Not the cheaters ... I was thinking more about the voters).
I promise you could film me in public at any given time without my knowledge and I would not be embarrassed about what I was doing. If I wanted to cheat I'd go to a hotel not a fucking Coldplay concert
Doxx the Rich
You sound stupid.
so insightful
Shakespeare did say that brevity is was the soul of wit.
This is the perfect symbol of today's corporate America. Out of touch, rich entitled CEO has an affair(that is obviously known by other employees) going to a horribly high-priced concert for a mid band, and expecting to not be caught. Now, their families will have to deal with the outcome.
Ubiquitous cameras are getting really good, facial recognition is "good enough", the vast majority of people are puting there names and taxes voluntarily in public spaces on searchable databases. How could doxing even slow down given all of the above? Serious question. Norms aren't going to do that.
"names and faces" lol
Id argue that there is no inherent right to privacy in such a public venue
I have NO sympathy for cheaters that get caught, not now and not ever! Why should these people be any different just because of WHO they are. 🙄
You have a great point about unauthorized surveillance, this just isn't it.
I thought the same. This example couldn’t be worse. It was broadcast on the Jumbotron in front of 55k people live at a concert where people often record, lol.
It's implied in certain events that filming will take place (tickets and TOU usually state as much). Had they been anonymous people, not in a scandalous position, OP would've never used them as an example.
Yep. They tried to leverage the viral incident to promote their opinion, which I happen to agree with, it just missed the mark.
... except, ten years ago anyone could have kissed on the jumbotron and nothing would have happened ... it would have stayed a funny little moment at a concert. The instant identification of anyone, in an instant, and the virality of that moment ... is new.
(obs, google image search has been around for a while ... but not widely know about / less effective...) Ironically I was spotted at a Coldplay concert once ... didn't go viral tho ... (and wasn't married / in a relationship at the time). 😅
Right so that proves the point that it’s not a captured image it’s who is in the image. If you’re famous and you’re going to cheat don’t do it in a place where people might publish your photo on a screen the size of Uranus.
The big screen isn't the problem. The subsequent little screen is. I now know someone I have never met is having an affair with someone I have never met. Why do I need to know this?
Sure... though I've sort of realised, through this conversation, that actually, back 20 years some tabloid like Piers Morgan's «News Of The World» would have had this guy straight on the front page and interviewed his mother, his school teachers and his staff by the morning.
Not sure that’s right tho. It was Chris Martin’s comment.. the moment/timing.. and their reaction that triggered the interest afaik … not his notoriety. He probably could have been anyone.
I wasn’t cheating fwiw (not my style) - just a colleague/client the next day said they’d seen me in the crowd. Actually … was seen on telly at the FRA:ENG rugby in Paris too come to think… 🫣
But if they were “anyone” it would just be a joke about some people. We wouldn’t even be talking about it on the Internet. The reason it got traction is because they were well-known to quite a few people - plus it’s not Chris Martin’s responsibility to protect their privacy.
I think we agree on most of this. I guess the nuance is the who. Yes, I agree his notoriety was an accelerant ... .. but their reaction + Martin's comment was the spark imo. No, Martin is in no responsible. ... and, most importantly ...
Yep, it was the reaction: "Oh, shit we're caught," that made the story. If you're having a private affair, keep it private and stay home. If they had acted normally, there may have been no story. Finding out he's a professional jerk and previous cheater was a bonus.
Yes the fact that he's the ceo of a billion dollar company cheating with an HR rep for said company had nothing at all to do with it. Sorry but the whole 'he's just some poor slob' angle isn't really landing for very obvious reasons
Not sure that's what I was saying ... but we're dabbling in nuance anyhow. 2 Qs: a) - had it been someone less prominent, then what? b) - had it been 20 years ago, then what? IMHO: a) - 50:50 it still sparks a story b) - tabloid would have ID'ed Buy sure, face-id prolly not really a factor.
You could use any planet but you've used Uranus
poetic
🙊 I thaught i deleted that!!! I'm not good al social networks 😅 Please anyone take my cell away from my hands
They were only identified because they were well-known and they were in a compromising position. The Jumbotron people did not identify them. Otherwise it would’ve been an unremarkable image.
It's their fault, if you go out in public & you're having an affair, don't grope each other.
Lmao. 10 years ago was 2015. There were plenty of jumbotron videos on Twitter and instagram back then.
Yeah. I know this is a weird thing to do on social media (the land of digging in) … but … I kinda changed my view as the discussion evolved. 😆 bsky.app/profile/jim....
I know ppl say we never get to see karma in action, but this is a perfect example of her working.
@matt-y.bsky.social "Social media doxing is bad!" screams tabloid-level internet rag, as it lists every participants name, job, and employer at least twice
You know you're allowed to laugh at rich people being dumb, right? It's that easy.
Big Brother is all of us. We may think it’s wrong, but we use the platforms and digest the info.
There is nothing private about a public concert! They got caught out and deserved everything that came their way
Specifically one that boasts a kiss cam. Which is considered a fun game not government surveillance. If you didn’t want to be caught, don’t cuddle publicly or don’t be so obviously suspicious. That’s like going on a game show to be in the crowd and then being mad they filmed you
The "they deserved it" talk is tough to swallow. How about if the cam and facial recognition was outting the CEO for being gay, not having an affair? We are a stone's throw from tech being used this way to enforce conservative ideas of morality.
Ifs and buts are hypotheticals pal.
What-about-ism and slippery slope argument :/ comparing cheating to being gay is an interesting choice. I see what you’re saying but again, you’re in public where they are known to film and project it publicly. They deserve it not because they are having an affair, but for their roles in face rec.
It's a logical choice because the Christian Right hates LGBTQ+ people.
Okay so we’re ignoring that he is the cause of his own problems cool cool cool. I don’t know if you’re gay but when we’re closeted we generally don’t go to public arenas and share PDA. There’s a reason for that. Again, this conversation is not about what is seen as moral it is about those who are
Profiting off of the exact tool you’re concerned about (for good reason) and getting bit in his own ass because of it. That’s why we’re celebrating and saying he deserved it. Because he IS a hand in government and corporate surveillance.
Yes, not being able to engage in PDA is a problem. Get it?
You're really missing the point!
Like are you bothering listening at all or are you just focused on being right
You're rude.
It was an actual question because you weren’t addressing anything I was saying except to argue your point. So like… should I hold up the mirror while you say that? Or?
Woosh!
Facts ❤️
Maybe he shouldn't have been cheating.
Or hiring or promoting people with company money for the purposes of sexual gratification.
Or spending company money on Coldpay tickets.
Spending company money on tickets for entertainment events supposedly to reward employees or schmooze clients or suppliers is often considered legitimate business. But to do so as CEO for dating a workplace subordinate is asking for trouble.
Actually, there are ethics rules on those types of gifts.
And yet the higher up in a company, the more likely any ethics rules are to be more grossly violated with impunity for longer periods.
And if it’s the use of gifts there for the salespeople to use to generate or retain business, it’s often not taken very seriously if the persons are big rainmakers for sales or are dealmakers in terms of raising money or acquisitions or dispositions.
There is no assumption of privacy in public spaces
💯 Doxing rich CEOs in public places….BAD. Doxing people like Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss by the MAGAs….GOOD.
He got caught cheating on his wife. Don’t lose sight of the morals.
Yup, and she got caught cheating on her husband too
lol how is that doxing? (but yes, it is gleeful)
Luckily, I’ve never been outted on social media for my hotness.
eh
Like a few million other things, that picture alone should have doomed his political career.
it’s fake, though
Is it?
www.yahoo.com/news/fact-ch...
Thanks.
The article says that a picture of them together on a plane is also fake. They might be talking about the one on the left.
I do think it's important to know which are real. This one is. There's never been any doubt they were close friends. The real question is why media has been sleeping on this story for 10 years.
Why are the folks with the worst takes and most protective of Trump and republicans followed by the same crowd, always?
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Dox every ceo
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They doxxed themselves by doing this in public and then literally running from the camera. The public is not at fault for their mistake. This is such a bad take article. Geesh.
The media normalised this sort of behaviour with glossy magazines full of covertly taken pictures of 'celebrities' on holiday, getting out of cars etc. And now almost every twat with a smartphone is doing the same for likes, or just to be a dick. Own it.
Back in the when this happened, we just called it the birth of Jesus.
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They got caught, big deal. I too would feel very guilty to be at a Coldplay concert, no wonder he hid from view so quickly
I feel sorry for any spouses but the replacing of their photos with Epstein and orange man covering their faces is golden.
It's bad unless they are a ceo. The 1% owe everyone a lot right now.
Loud incorrect buzzer
As someone who is anti-ceo but pro-infidelity, I am torn on this issue. Thank you for bringing attention to this, Jason. Cheating in public should be safe.
Morality police forming as we speak. Enforcing MY morality is OK actually.
Police to stop morality? Isn't that just regular police?
No.
The most interesting thing to happen at a Coldplay gig ever!
Nah, we need to shame cheaters and rich people. This is a twofer.
And Coldplay fans which may be redundant.
One stone, two birds.
Hahahaha!!!
Thiiiis
They deserve it. Wouldn't you want to know if your spouse was creeping around with randos? I would.
Busted!
Thanks for this. I immediately became uncomfortable when I saw this post spreading around the internet and I couldn't quite articulate why.
Iv not physically met a cold play fan.. but I guess people who should be down the bowlos get confused with all that - gak -"sexual stimulation"
Shouldn’t overlook that this is a CEO and in today’s climate we all enjoy any discomfort that comes to them. Don’t cheat in public and there won’t be any problem.
I think that this misses the part where, had they just laughed, smiled and done nothing untoward, we probably wouldn't be talking about it. Because no one would have thought anything of it. And thus no one would have dug into who they are.
Right, but what if you’re in public and you spill water on your pants and somebody is filming? Do they ignore it? Or do they post something that says you peed your pants? Then what happens to your life when millions of people are falsely taking glee in your imagined incontinence?
I mean ... what is your proposed solution to this? Banning audience facing cameras?
Regulating facial recognition software that makes it significantly easier to identify strangers is a good start. It makes it more challenging to target specific individuals. I think the handheld recording device in every pocket genie isn’t going back in the lamp.
Yeah, and neither is software man. It's a big planet with 197 countries and a lot of them are linked with the internet. For how well suppressing information through the internet works, have a look at China and how often people get around their Great Wall and the censors.
Ultimately, what everyone is concerned about requires a big shift in the public zeitgeist. As in, it will require a shift in what is "acceptable" use of cameras and social media, not laws and vague recriminations.
Software can be regulated. It doesn’t outright prevent misuse, but it makes it more difficult. I agree with you though. Societal norms have changed significantly, and for the worse in many regards. Not sure how to fix that…maybe finding the aforementioned genie and lamp…
Maybe, but that's irrelevant to the point that is being raised here
Well instinct impulse >>> rational behavior.
I agree with you Jason-I understand you’re not defending a CEO or these two executives’ behaviors. There are larger concerns at play here and you’re simply using a trending story to illustrate them. Should be obvious but I’m constantly reminded that Americans are fucking morons.
Your replies seem to be filled with people’s performative hate of CEOs which is not based on any analysis of society but just on vibes. Him being a cheater is the least important part of why CEOs are the enemy of the working class
Can we focus this energy on ICE agents?
Ok corpo
Ironically if they didn’t react in such a dramatic way no one would have thought to post it in the first place
Ye Olde Streisand Effect strikes again
Not sure this is really doxxing tho
I didn't know about this one. They are public figures in a public company in a public place. Randos? sure, they should have a right to privacy, but the rules are different for people who make themselves recognizable.
All is fair in love and war. Both are unprofessional morons. Only she will be fired is my guess. That is what happened to the HR person and CEO I personally knew that had an affair.
Oh please. This ain't exactly Hulk Hogan sex tape redux.
Womp womp, won't somebody think of the adulterous CEOs?
Exactly lol
big fan of the surveillance state eh
No, big fan of Guillotining CEOs whose main product helps the surveillance state.
cosplay leftist
No,sorry. I am not a social democrat.
There’s no privacy in a stadium. The surveillance state sucks shit, and everyone who maintains it should meet their own Luigi, but they’re the dumbass owner and corporate officer of a corporation whose primary product and mission is to contribute to the surveillance state. Petard, meet hoist.
cool it could happen to literally anyone which is why it sucks
Spectacular missing of the point dickhead.
Good doggy. Also doesn't understand what doxxing is.
Cry more for the violated privacy of the CEO, worm
Oh look another dickhead. It's got fuck all to do with the CEO you dumb cunt.
Look at this CEO meat rider.
Boohoo, bootlicker
did the women in this video deserve to be doxxed and harassed too? cuz that's what happened and that's the point you're missing
What about the CEOs wife, the real victim. Don't tell me you only care about a certain type of women.
ok, i won't
Husband needs evidence for the divorce lawyer.😜
i stg people like you water down the use of "bootlicker". you're defending intrusive surveillance because it made you lol, the boot is in *your* mouth
The kiss cam is not intrusive surveillance, shithead
Their brain will get fried from so much cognitive dissonance.
i dont get the impression youre the best judge of this
Dude has serious bro vibes. Women are probably invisible to him.
OK, dingbat.
Says the guy throwing around "cunt" with glee Shush, worm
So yes, women are invisible to you. Only guys say cunt apparently.
Eww.
That's not what doxxing means. She was in public fucking around with someone she knew was in a monogamous relationship.
why do we know that. why do we know who she is. think it through.
If you want to say something, say it. If you want to make vague allusions, just shut up.
Are all videos of jumbotrons posted on social media doxing?
god why are so many people responding to this thread without reading it. Not necessarily no, but when people use face recognition to find out names and addresses and then harass the people involved that is obviously fuckin doxxing. Also i don't think jumbotrons posted to social media are good either
i don't think it's good that random people at a concert or sporting event or w/e can become viral stars against their own will, it's so whatever to me that on this occasion it was some rich dipshits who "deserve" it because infidelity i guess. It's not hard to understand this is a bad phenomenon
psyched that a lot of online leftists read the scarlet letter and thought "this is good actually". rad that seeing a bad thing happen to a CEO (which im MORE THAN fine with, fuck that guy in particular) cannot be extrapolated from whatsoever as Still A Bad Trend or else youre a bootlicker
Being shown in a public venue on the kiss cam is not doxxing and nobody should be crying for the head of HR getting caught fucking the boss Can you be a bit less pathetic?
oh ok you just hate women
No, just you
the doxxing was done afterward by chucklefucks like you, you'd know this if you were paused to read the thread you're posting under before drafting your hilarious owns
Tomorrow, guaranteed—the HR whore will file a lawsuit that she felt obligated to perform for the CEO/boyfriend in order to keep her job because if she didn’t she would lose her position, blah, blah, blah. So let it be said…so let it be written: in a court filing…🤣
lol. It’s precisely because he’s the CEO and she’s the head of HR. Read the room.
The head of HR gave the CEO a raise
He probably also gave her the Head job.
Highly surveilled = highly policed, in all things public or private.
I kind of agree. I don’t especially care about straight strangers (or anyone, really?) cheating on their spouses. I think a lot of the glee in this comes from that streak of puritanism that’s baked into being an American
I just don’t think it’s behavior to encourage, because my personal feeling is that most people getting excited about this are not getting excited because the guy is rich, but because they caught infidelity and they’re excited to stone the adulterers
As far as I know, the camera was randomly going round the crowd, not trying to dox anyone. It landed on a couple who had a strange reaction, which even without commentary, many would have jumped to the right conclusion.
Had they just smiled, the camera would have moved on and no one would have ever thought anything honestly.
That's 100% my take. They probably might still have been caught, but like I said in another comment here, the Streisand effect would never have kicked in so hard.
I hadn't even thought of that but you're right!
They should have just kissed quickly lol. No one would have cared. No one cared who the two dressed up as bananas shown next were lol.
alas people are perceptible to others and can be gossiped about
that this can become the fodder of global tabloid coverage is unfortunate, and i suspect new, but it's not that surprising that, say, alice+bob were canoodling extra-maritally in public might be a little scandalous in their social networks
This isn’t doxxing lol
Surveillance creep would be a good term for it. But agreed.
It’s a public space. That’s not “surveillance”
The article specifically mentions facial recognition. That and crowd sourced identification via things like TikTok creates de facto surveillance.
Auto Save "regardless" when individuals are out in public they are exposing themselves to being photographed or video taped, there is nothing to fight! I know I am a private investigator, in public settings u are not covered! They screwed up, they tried to pull one on their spouses and got caught!
No, dude fucked up, he sucks, they both suck… that’s them. I’m talking about a systemic issue, and about including the nuance so we can see how and why it’s a slippery slope. Certain types of surveillance are good and necessary, but cast wide enough, it’s waiting to be abused.
going in public carries the risk of someone recognizing you even without technology. sometimes your "doxing" is that, sometimes it's malicious
It was inevitable when society decided that it was ok with "security" cameras.
You don't know what doxing means and this article is a fucking joke. You should he feel shame and shut yourself indoors without light for several days.
I think a much worse public harm is how the term "doxxing" used to mean exposing a private individual's entire life specifically so they can be harassed, but now the social outrage has been harvested to apply to identifying anyone in a position of power who does something bad. Shame on you.
If that's what doxxing means today, then let's all dox away!
People actively working at creating a dystopia been hurt a little by it. So unfair for him. Yeah, only us, normal people should suffer from it
Perhaps don’t cheat on your wife?
Thank you, Ernest.
Fuck off.
No different than living in a small town.
Even under the strict GDRP from Europe this is just idiots being dumb and at fault. There is NO VEIL of privacy at a public concert. Defending this reeks of: there is always a reason to be cheated on. You go out there and BLATANTLY take your HR sidepiece to a public space you might get divorced
100% agree.
They take their chances. They knew there was a kiss cam at the concert. They were watching it, right?
if you think this is bad have you ever heard of a lil show called CHEATERS
On the one hand, it's gross when this happens to random people who are just minding their business. When it happens to wealthy people doing things that they know they aren't supposed to be doing though? I feel less sympathetic to their plight because they have the financial capital to survive it.
Read 4 times...ducking WHAT??? i smoke weed, you are way higher.
Bad take on this one. A shitty band exposed shitty people, who also happen to be shitty C-suite execs. This was not the surveillance state, it was a concert video team lol. Try again, but with Palantir next time.
Israel developed, popularized and weaponized Facial Recognition technology. Let’s put the blame where it belongs. Israel was told that ethically it eas abusive. They marched on and found a President to do their bidding. And here we have America’s new Anti-immigrant state, ala the West Bank.
They were in a public event, surrounded by tens of thousands of other people, cheating on their spouses. They are also highly publicized elites. You're crying about facial recognition when all you have to do is use a little osint Cameras and FR are old news man, its an already won theatre
Can’t facial recognize if their is no photos of you on the internet to scan. Majority of the people forgot the golden rule of the internet being forever
Counterpoint: CEOs are inherently bad people (behaviorally, morally, ethically, ...) and this is the Most Deserved shit possible?
Here are the names of some early Coldplay songs: The Scientist In My Place Don't Panic Trouble I also genuinely have their Safety and Mince Spies cds. I'm not saying their discography lead them to this moment, but it does give me a shiver thinking about it....
That was funny 😆 I wonder if they didn’t react so guilty if people would have taken notice
Ppl love clickbait & technology is used in ways that manipulate the thoughts of people. However, you clearly never had any work experience with this a**hole. Karma.
This is not at all how doxing works. Stop licking boots.
It's not something you should just go do wholesale, but if it happens it happens. Very little sympathy for cheaters, especially if they have the nerve to go and do it somewhere so public.
Unfortunately when you walk out your front/back door you give up your privacy. Google earth shots can catch you in your birthday suit while sun bathing in your own private backyard. 😵💫
I agree with you whole heartedly. But this wasn't doxxing. This was 2 people unfortunately enough to get caught on jumbotron. Also stupid. They were stupid
Taking the video of them and using it to find and publish their identity, names, job positions, etc. is textbook doxxing.
I'm not sure if the original video names them tbh. Under the impression someone posted it thinking it was funny and it went sideways from there. Like always. My theory is that we are all so miserable, ruining other people's lives seems fun to some.
That’s not what doxxing meant. Doxxing was the step before swatting, meaning addresses.
"the act of publicly providing personally identifiable information about an individual or organization, usually via the Internet and without their consent." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing The internet took a video with only their faces & used it to publicly provide their personal info. That's doxing
That may be common usage now, but that’s not what it meant.
It pre-dates swatting "The term derives from the slang "dropping dox" ... an old-school revenge tactic that emerged from hacker culture in 1990s. Hackers operating outside the law in that era used the breach of an opponent's anonymity as a means to expose them to harassment or legal repercussions"
Is that from an AI summary?
It's from the wiki article I linked earlier, which is pulling from this Wired article from 2014. www.wired.com/2014/03/doxi... I'd never be caught dead using AI, I think we can agree there that it fucking blows.
Good. I started following the hacker community as a kid about 91’-92’, but was reading lot of textfiles from the 80’s then too, so if the wiki particle is correct, I’m wondering just why I haven’t seen anything to that extent. Maybe their OPSEC was gold, whoever it came from.
You might have had a good point, but you chose the worst possible banner to herald it with. 🤦🏻♂️
Or maybe don't cheat on public.
How about not cheating at all?
Oh God this is bad but in my heart I hope they dude got screwed with convenience fees for buying the tickets online
Counterpoint: CEO is a public figure position as long as I have to hear CEO’s opinions on every matter of consequence0.
I understand the sentiment, but it's impossible for me to garner sympathy for a cheater. Simply do not take your mistress to the massively populated concert if you REALLY gotta cheat.
You are in a place with a kiss cam. You have no visual obstruction from it. You and the other person are cheating but you decide to get cuddly and physical in this situation. I’m sorry. This is pure stupidity. They both willingly ruined their marriages. Zero discretion. Consequences.
Facts ❤️
Not to mention there are always disclaimers when you buy the ticket that you most def will have images of yourself taken during concerts and youre agreeing to essentially waive liability for that because youre out in public.
Agree. I just started seeing this story everywhere a little bit ago and while I agree that the couple is probably in some trouble with their partners, it's not right to have this be what I'm talking about right now.
what a dumb take. seriously. accountability is not doxxing. accountability is not canceling. didn't even need tech for this...after their obvious actions made them look guilty, it was just a matter of time before they were outed.
Nah. Doxxing is *checks notes* everything that journalists do that uncovers the misdeeds of the rich and powerful, no matter how minor! At least, that's what I'm having to infer from context. :P
Main question; wtf do people care what these two are up to?
Some people have integrity and despise those who step outside of their relationship when that isn’t agreed upon by all the parties within that relationship
Sure, but why go to the extremes mentioned in the article? If someone in my family cheated on their partner then yes, I'd be mad. But some yobbo I've never heard of? Yeah, nah
the capital class is never held to account otherwise. there is no justice for the workers whose labor creates the profits going to the top while our lives get harder and harder. so taking down a tech CEO for cheating in public will have to do in the meantime.
FAFO don’t do anything in public you would be ashamed of if your parents saw it!
If the cops can film you at every f-ing red light then don't take your mistress out to a concert.....unless you want a divorce and to give your wife grounds.
He was in a public space and got caught cheating you are insanely wrong on this to the point ppl should question what secrets you are hiding by acting so obtuse
This has to be rage bait, right?
This is fukedup. "Polymarket’s degenerate gamblers turned the scandal into a market."
Lmao they were in public. Only rich white morons think they can get away with this shit
most people know the difference between a Jumbotron at a concert and an influencer making content on a plane
Dude. You sound guilty.
Agreed 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 You have to be some kind of self rightrous asshole to do this shit.
Potential excuses for the CEO: (A) "She was drunk. I was holding her up." (B) "I was drunk. I was holding on to her." (C) "She was choking. I was performing the Heimlich maneuver" (D) "I was high, and I thought she was you." ALL preceded by... "Honey, I swear!" #OhShit
(E) "It's a deepfake, what man listens to Coldplay?"
Gleeful, I guess I am, they don’t think rules apply to them.
This is the system of checks and balances.
I just feel really bad for their spouses and children. How humiliating for them, and non-stop.
awful for their families. who would be so brazen? the attempt to take cover, scurrying behind clear glass should inspire mass resignations.
Maybe this’ll start a trend of tech CEOs who recognize unintended consequences and begin to oppose facial rec?
My opinion changed from "whatever" to "okay this is actually bad" pretty quickly while reading the article
Aren’t you precious. FAFO
Sounds like you might have some vids out there too 🤔
Nah.
Okay, but then why didn't you write this story about someone sitting on a plane, rather than a cheating CEO who stood around watching them put people on the kiss cam and never considered he'd be next? Why tie your important issue to a guy no one gives a shit about?
Bingo!!!!
for clicks
1-2 I agree with Jason, being a member of what is probably the last generation that did not grow up in the surveillance state. We should all be afraid when everybody everywhere (especially government) has access to everything you have done or are doing in life.
2-2 We are being tracked by cameras everywhere, license plate readers, cellphone tracking, public records, the photos you take, the words you write. At any moment you at the whim whoever is in power can become an enemy of the state.
I agree with concern for the surveillance state and our complete loss of privacy. The two people involved here knew about all of this , create it, &decided to attend a concert together, w/great seats. They knew the risk. I guess the HR gal has a great tailwind. It’s ironic. That’s why folks get it.
I understand that we've become accustomed to invading each other's privacy and to a certain extent because of the advanced tools we have now that's unavoidable, but you nailed it, much of this has become "gleeful doxing" for its own sake.
I'd rather be consistent and believe that bad behavior deserves negative consequences, but you do you.
He's right. A man and woman should have privacy when cheating on their spouses.
… in public
People who are cheating in public deserve to get caught. I'm genuinely curious as to how you wrote this while you were deepthroating this man's boot and other things, though.
Heard he is blaming his wife for his cheating and making him and his mistress look unprofessional. Not true, but it does happen. Speaking for myself.
While you have a point, crowd shots have been part of the audience experience for literally decades. Watch a Password rerun. There’s usually a disclaimer on your ticket.
Has social media amplifying the crowd shots been a thing for decades? How did this come to being an Internet virus? That should scare you
Yeah. It's been on the Internet since the early 2000s.
*cheating in public*
If you’re a ceo you have no right to privacy in my eyes.
You know what I don't understand? Why are people dissing Coldplay?
They're just so dissable, that it's reflexive!
