OK, not a one-to-one comparison, as Americans have no fascination with the quarter-zips. But people who insist that Zelenskyy should have worn a suit should answer a very simple question. Would Trump and MAGA have a different position on Ukraine if Zelenskyy wore a suit this entire time?
From what I see in corporate offices, American men are obsessed with quarter-zips..
What about MBS? Modi? 🤷♂️
Disrespectful for someone to enter the Oval Office in a shrunken “guranimals” T-shirt along with his nose picking sidekick?
Agree 100% and wish I had more to add, but I have only this: This American, for one, definitely has a fascination with a well worn quarter zip. 😅
Of course not, but I'm most disappointed by Trice President Vance. he's full blown kool-aid drinker. Hoped for the Jan6th Pence, but we got the Bobert reach around.
If Zelenskyy wore a suit, he would be the most handsome man in the room and Trumpy would not like that. So he made himself look more subservient in other clothes, to try to negotiate better with the narcissist.
Nope, nothing Zelensky can do now is because what he didn't do when trump wanted "dirt" on Hunter Biden.
No, because the blow-up was completely scripted. Personally, I thought Zelenski was sharp as a tack in his chosen attire.
P. S. Don't trust autocorrect with names from foreign languages. I've seen this great man's name transliterated so many ways I don't know what is right. It seems 'Zelenskyy' is the better way? Anything other than "Володимир Зеленський" is incorrect.
Zelensky wore a suit and the EU wouldn’t let Ukraine join. Now he wears a combat shirt and Ukraine is much closer to accession youtu.be/J8IRLdGpr3Y?...
It was a group of bullies against one man who I feel did an excellent job of staying calm.
Maybe if Zelenskyy had just worn the right accessory when going suitless?
Oh my god… Now that’s trash
Also, Elon Musk wears his not-hilarious tech support t-shirt and that ridiculous baseball cap to White House events
I would argue that Trump, Vance, & Rubio’s suits are not tailored properly, and they all look like schlubs along w/their slouchy postures. Zelenskyy dressed clean & neat in his business casual my country has been ravaged by war for three years attire. Churchill didn’t wear a suit either.
Have you noticed how extra slouched over Trump has been lately? Like in the cabinet meeting everyone else was sitting up so straight and he was hunched way over as he seems to be most of the time lately.
Sign of dementia
If he had full on dementia, he wouldn’t be acting much differently than he is now…
I know… my mom was diagnosed at 63 my age now. She’s 83, now
Hell no
Not a chance
Someone else said it, but the fact is, if Zelenskyy wore a suit they would be criticizing him for that, speculating that he spent money meant for Ukraine's defense on fancy clothes. These are not serious people with legitimate complaints, they are scumbags making up controversies to help Putin.
Trump, and therefore MAGA, wouldn’t have a different opinion about Zelensky no matter what he wore today or what he wears in the future. It’s not about Zelensky. It’s about Russia first. Then it’s about how Trump sells his siding with Russia over Ukraine to MAGA.
No. Trump's position was formed before the 2022 invasion, probably with foreknowledge and input from Putin.
While Putin might be part of it, Trump's view of Zelenskyy was formed in 2019. his attempt (& failure) to extort Zelenskyy just after Zelenskyy became president is what led to his first impeachment. I think he has hated Zelenskyy ever since.
True! I'd forgotten that "perfect phone call." 🫢
At least they had to think on a different excuse, I guess, for that humiliation
Sadly, Americans do kind of have a fascination with quarter-zips.
It looked to me like he was actually wearing a Ukrainian Vyshyvanka, which is really quite dressed up for a Ukrainian. It was easy to miss since it was all in black, but the nice collar and the subtle black on black design on either side of the quarter buttons.
No. Zelenskyy is expressing, he is with his country, which is in a state of military self defense, in war. Thats why he relentlessly is obliged to ask for the appropriate means, weapons/money. More than self evident, as UKR. signed for denouncing its nuklear self defence in exchange for protection.
“Americans have no fascination with the quarter zips” The viewers of the Monday Night Football Mannigcast beg to differ
If you answer yes, then I think Trump and the MAGA movement is stupid. Matters of geopolitics should not be affected by issues of fashion. If you answered no, then I think we agree that this is just a pretense. Trump's position on Ukraine is not about clothes. And MAGA follows whatever Trump says.
I answered no, but Trump and the MAGA movement are still stupid.
Trump wears expensive suits, but they always look like shit, baggy and wrinkled.
I don’t think he wears expensive suits. He’s too cheap to wear them even if he can get the government to buy them. Or maybe he does wear them and he’s just so gross that nothing could look good on him.
The later of course.
Yeah he refuses to get them altered for some reason. If I had that money and a job that needed suits I’d get bespoke suits.
B/c he's obese ... morbidly.
Nah. A good tailor can fit a suit that'll look presentable even on an obese, out-of-shape guy (see also: me). I suspect Trump won't let a tailor near him to get accurate measurements so he just ends up with whatever shapeless, off-the-rack sack will fit over him.
Put as much glitter as you like on a dog shit, it will still be terribly unpleasant.
Thank you a million times
This is just ridiculous MAGA rage farming. Check out Modi wearing traditional Indian attire at the White House. Should he have worn a western suit? Zelensky is the head of a country at war with a murderous dictator. He dressed as a reminder of that. Perhaps that's what bothered them so much.
Jealous that the entire popular of Ukraine loves and respects their leader with a fervor that is true. MAGA could never hope to have the depth of understanding that real respect means.
I totally agree. I felt like that question was part of the plan to put Zelenskyy on the defensive, diminish him. The theme was to make him defend and grovel and it started by attacking his character and worthiness through his clothes. Little kids do it in the playground and these guys still do it
Zelenskyy was also the only adult in the room, it felt like a bunch of school bullies mocking the teacher.
Precisely (34 years middle school teacher here)
Bless you!
Never boring!
It was the opening salvo for their planned attach.
*Attack
I think it was plane bullying. He was trying to act like a big deal. He sounded like a dick and I have never actually used or said that word. But there is a first time and Brian Glenn is a F..king Dick Bully and the asshats laughing with him all F..king cowards. Vance and Rubio are trash.
Trump’s ”position on Ukraine” is driven by one factor only: doing exactly whatever Putin tells him to do.
Just…just…🤯 This was so disrespectful to President Zelensky. 🇺🇦
B. Glenn’s tone of voice & framing of the question was inappropriate & rude. What’s worse is the people laughing in the background. Why weren’t they aghast? I think it’s bc this was all planned in advance. Everyone expected the question. They were mocking Pres. Z! 😡
I don't trust people who wear suits
Thank you so much for this thoughtful and incisive discussion. I thought the MAGA clowns were just mocking Zelenskyy as a bumpkin but that was just one layer of their contemptible racket.
The same thing would happen if Zelenskyy was dressed up Taron in the elton john movie car meme scene.
“White House correspondent”
Ew!
I love you, Derek!
Arent these the same people that wore golden diapers in fealty to their liege?
And maxipads on their ears in public?
I've never seen him wear a suit, why would he start now for the likes of Trump?
There are many photos of Z wearing nicely tailored suits before the war started. Not hard to find.
Remember when the Saudis dismembered a journalist alive on US soil and the GOP administration declined to pursue recourse, then Jared Kushner got a 2B cash investment in his sinecure slush fund even though all Saudi $$ advisors warned against it? Yea, good job USA.
Brilliant observation! I love it!
you can't get a clearer example of how the suit question was just meant as an insult to rile Zelensky than the fact they dont ask it of Musk
And to be clear, there is no winning for Zelensky here. If he DID come in a suit MAGAts would be rushing to social media to exaggerate the cost of it, claiming that him wearing a "$100k Suit" (regardless of it's price) is proof that he's "taking advantage of US good will to enrich himself."
If he goes in without a suit, he's showing clear disrespect to the American people. If he goes in WITH a suit, he's showing his contempt for the US and flaunting his wealth, "rubbing it in the American public's collective face that he's stealing their tax money"
Excellent points!
Also, he publicly declared years ago that he would not wear a suit until the war was over, that he'd remain dressed for war as a reminder. They already knew that.
I recall a RWNJ/MAGA conspiracy still floated about that Zelenskyy is embezzling U.S. monetary aid to enrich himself with private yachts. Wearing a nice suit would only inflame that fever dream. With MAGA, you just can’t reach them anymore. It’s all Glorious Leader now. Basic shame is all gone…
It's been the go-to canard of the likes of Greene and the other MAGAts that Zelenskyy is stealing all the US monetary support to make himself wealthy, including claiming he's buying massive yachts and mansions in the US.
Ugh. Don’t say her name two more times, please. And, of course, it was her boyfriend that posed that absolutely putrid question about wearing a suit. Thank you for the ring leader clarification to that conspiracy circus…
The double bind: hell if you do and hell if you don’t
You mean the same crowd that excoriated Nancy Pelosi for stocking her fridge with Jeni's, preferred ice cream of the elitist Dems? Which, while arguably pricey by the scoop out of its storefront, is available for only $8 a pint at my local DC-area Giant food grocery?
Or pretended that Dijon Mustard is fancy and elitist?
You could have saved us all a ton of reading and just typed, "I know nothing about persuasion."
Go back to the circus tent you crawled out from.
Maybe try making a logical counter point
Maybe try not being endlessly cartoonishly wrong
Hm. Trump is fine with musk disrespecting the oval office and office of the president during cabinet meetings and press meetings. You seem to be as well. Strange.
The reporter asked the suit question. Trump complimented Zelenskyy on his outfit. Stop watching fake news
You mean Marjorie Taylor Greene's boyfriend?
My point stands. Your own media doesn't hold its own to the same standards. Maybe you should be pissed about your media's double standards.
Ok
Ah. So you're ok with your media being absolute garbage. Nice. I appreciate your admission through inaction.
Ok
That's the stupidest thing I've read today. Zekenskyy is not here to grovel, as much as you & trump want him to. He deserves respect, which he is not getting & wearing a suit would not have changed that. Where's your outrage or FElon's attire?
Agree. Zelenskyy‘s clothes show no pretence. TFG’s on the other hand, are play pretend respectability.
Respect for what, canceling elections and blowing his best chance at peace?
Canceling what elections? The one his Constitution says cannot be held because, hint, a portion of the country can't vote being under hostile occupation? Go away vatnik
I know you really just want Vlad Putin to rub your yellow belly dude
He could be wearing the finest suit and not be able to “persuade” anyone in that room. Trump had no intent on giving Zelenskyy what he wanted regardless of the clothes on his back.
Cool that you can read minds. You must be loaded.
persuade who of what? do you really believe amything but zelensky groveling and giving Teump whsteber he asked for woukd've had a different result?
He’s literally here to NEGOTIATE a peace deal. Thanks for signaling that you also know nothing about negotiation
um, actually no. this meeting, as framed by Trump was entirely about the minerals deal. And again. why do you think a suit would change anything?
You have no idea what you’re talking about. And the suit alone means nothing.
Please explain how you know what you're talking about. Because I see one serious man who is representing a country that's fighting a war of survival and two pampered pussies clutching their pearls gasping "My stars! My stars!"
if the suit means nothing, why reply to a thread about suits?
If anyone in that room needs to be criticised for their outfit it’s probably JD Vance for pairing the top half of a suit with… skintight leggings?
So I wasn’t the only one to notice he always skips leg day. He sits like a kids toy, stuffed upper body and some token legs dangling down.
So the so-called reporter, dressed as a shoe salesman impersonation, tries to get under Z's skin and Z body slams him; 'a costume.' He held back from 'empty suit..'
He did very matter-of-factly mention that he’d probably wear a better suit than the guy. ;)
And then he said “maybe a cheaper one”, implying MTG’s boyfriend there overpaid for his
In his second language. Really shameful from America. Embarrassing.
Don’t forget Zelenskyy was in the comedy business before he became the dictator of Ukraine
"Ukraine's parliament has passed a resolution affirming the legitimacy of Volodymyr Zelenskyy as president and confirming that elections are not possible until after the war ends." Dictator?
bad joke. proof that I'm not good at sarcasm....
The word for "suit" in Ukrainian translates as "costume." Similar to what we call a "bathing suit" the British call a "bathing costume."
“Kostyum” is the transliterated Ukrainian word for “suit.”
Dude. It was a set up and a preset question. Overthinking what clearly a hatch job
That was a trap and perfectly illustrates so much of the MAGA response to everything Trump says and does.
Wonderful post--thank you for this!
My 2 cents: Since the Russian invasion Zelenskyy is rarely seen in public wearing anything other than his fatigues. The shirt he usually wears has the Cross of Ukraine, an emblem of his country’s armed forces. It’s symbolic, like Trump’s tan and combover. But Gym Jordan tho.
Right? The jackass in no jacket and a yellow tie…
And I've always been inspired by his matter-of-fact attire. It shows that he is not wasting time on putting cute little outfits together when his country is fighting for their lives.
Pretty sure Gym only has one tie & it's yellow. I think I saw him in a blue one once & I guessed he'd borrowed it.
Cult gonna cult
Sartorial satire is truly the appropriate response to an administration that loves more makeup than the French Court nobles.
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It bears pointing out that the nitwit who mentioned Zelensy’s attire is Marge Greene’s boyfriend, so we know he has the sense of a chunk of drywall.
Is he the Zangief cosplayer?
It has a boyfriend? I shudder to imagine who that might be.
Seems to me they are peas in a pod.
"Drywall Chunks Anti-Defamation Society on line two..."
Gonna be on hold for a few decades
Making a big fuss over nothing important is a classic abuser tactic.
Fact
Waterlogged, moldy drywall.
Quarter-inch thick
It was an obvious set up by the not-so-bright brigade. "Oh we've got him now!!!" I will bet $100 that the Musk comparison didn't even occur to Marge and company when they were thinking this up last night.
They don’t think. They know that Cult Rube will drink up whatever they’re serving.
From London - had no idea who he was but it looked like a complete set up.
I think so, too
😅😅😅😅😅
The biggest reason why I dislike the idea of respectability in dress is because it conflates the *appearance* of virtue with *actual* virtue. Wearing a suit doesn't make you respectful, intelligent, or capable, just as wearing a leather jacket doesn't make you rugged.
But it does correlate to DEFERENCE which is what the GOP *really* care about.
Nailed it
https://bsky.app/profile/charlotteclymer.bsky.social/post/3ljbbnf6o6u2s
Yes! Witness TFG et al in their suits while spewing disrespect from their mouths. With all that Zelenskyy has endured for his country and continues to endure, with all that has happened and continues to happen in Ukraine, he’s asked that irrelevant question about his dress? Height of disrespect.
Clothes never made the man
Where it really hit me was in my parents' final years. Like many, I sometimes dashed to the hospital from gardening, dressed like a sweaty slob. And sometimes I dashed from work, dressed up and professional. The staff reactions varied accordingly. I understand it, but at the same time, really?
Just like holding a chainsaw doesn't make you cool
The difference in value of the signifier vs. the signified seems like it's been fairly diagnostic of ideology for my entire lifetime. I frequently think about 'What is the Proper Way to Display a US Flag?' at the Chicago Institute of Art, and Pres. Bush Sr or Bob Dole's reaction to it.
They both preferred protecting the U.S. flag as a symbol of freedom, even if it meant restricting actual freedom.
Its also like they forget hes the president of a country under seige. How would the people care to see their president dressing up while his people die in trenches?
Plus in the UK at least, the classic outfit for a court appearance is a suit, to take advantage of the illusion of respectability
Btw, Musk… ?!
Saw a pic of Churchill in military garb during his visit to WHouse during WWII. Apparently, it’s the norm. But those two idiots were like mean middle-school girls.
I dress based on how I want to feel. Wearing a suit makes me feel professional and capable, and that changes how I act, so that's what I wear at work. It can't magically create those qualities in me, however. I'm well aware that I'm basically just playing dress-up to trick my subconscious.
Which is the most Boomer shit ever. Like voting for Cheeto. Zelensky has made a uniform of his look, and it suits his position as a wartime president.
Feel free to refrain from boomer bigotry as if we're a monolith. I assure you we. are. not.
Tell that to Shakin Stevens mate
"Respectability in dress" exists to enforce sexist and racist ideas imposed by the patriarchy.
Or wearing a Ramones t-shirt makes you punk.
Red baseball cap doesn't make you
Add to that - the gendered idea of 'modesty' for women = being 'respectable'
Case in point: Homeland Security Barbie.
In Spain we say that even if a monkey dresses in silk, it remains a monkey
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Actually, in Spain we fear most the people in suits than the rest. Basically because they’re the ones in power, ruling for them, stealing our money and, why not say it, stupid fucking assholes 99% of the time. The tighter the suit, the more imbecile.
Smart people can unfortunately have terrible taste.
No they would have found something else to ridícule. It looks like their false sense of power may have worked in our favor as it certainly sped up the opposition and isolation of MAGA
Did you see they rehearsed it? Not only did they just announce to the world they are working for Putin they also showed the world they are snot nosed toddlers who don’t know a thing . That should help speed things up as well
The old joke, "What do you call a Scouser in a suit? The defendant." (Apologies to Scousers out there.)
You should be measured by your actions, not your appearance.
"Wearing a suit doesn't make you respectful, intelligent, or capable, just as wearing a leather jacket doesn't make you rugged." How right you are.
This looks like an original WW2 flying jacket or at the least a good repro. It doesn't fit, which inclines me towards the first. Stolen valour. If anything *this* is the most disrespectful dress.
He does realise that in WW2, the Nazis lost, right?
He's trying to look like a national personification of America from a manga cartoon. Some gen Zs in the US will definitely recognise the image.
All it does is highlight Musk's own deficiencies.
Okay, but what if I wore a 10 gallon hat backwards?
I dislike it because it stinks of cultural imperialism. The notion that the western style of formal dress is the only acceptable thing to wear.
Also worth pointing out that Zielinsky is dressed and ready for work at any time. Those guys are dressed for a press conference. Who is ready to move when it kicks off?
Trump treats everyone as if they are trying to get a job or keep a job with him. He revived his public career by saying “you’re fired” repeatedly to people coming into his fake office without the right clothes on. So this chimes; I don’t think there’s a difference between his TV or “real” persona
The people I trust least in the entire world wear suits. But I do try to not hold it against suit wearers as a class.
Many people are unable to separate clothes from character, which is how the fashion industry makes so much money. They sell you on the idea that you can be a certain person by wearing certain clothes. In reality, character is defined by actions, not clothes.
Like Eddie Vedder said. "They can buy, but can't put on my clothes."
Great thread. I immediately thought of the "take your hat off when indoors" discourse gentlemen who suddenly disappeared once MAGA ball caps worn by an 80 y.o. psychopath became all the rage
okay but for some reason the picture on the right makes me want to smoke cigarettes
It's a peculiarly strong strand within the MAGA movement. Not just clothes but the look in general. Trump himself clearly (and openly) factors appearance into his appointments.
Causes they’re all surface… no depth.
* because
True 💯💯💯
[sobbing while I remove the fireman uniform I just got in the mail]
Shallow appearances are all MAGA really has, so of course it’s the one thing they’d nitpick.
This was my parents 💯 and at 72, I am still trying to free myself from it.
Lastly, there's a difference between how you *choose* to dress versus how you *view others* based on attire. I think it's fine if you say you'd wear a suit if you were in Zelenskyy's position. However, I think it's stupid to say that he's disrespectful for not wearing a suit.
Obama had great suits and they still trashed him.
Terrific thread! ❤️
He’s made it clear he’s making a statement, too. The whole time. Years and years now. And yeah, lol. Plus, it’s not like their suits are good :P (And it was never about his attire too, as we know.)
(And the questioner was apparently a known plant. That was not a serious question, but then again these people aren’t serious people.)
Agree. I’m an attorney. When in court I wear a suit because it’s an actual rule in most courtrooms. Otherwise I dress casually. I have seen well dressed hacks and poorly dressed geniuses. Look at how Einstein dressed. It simply doesn’t mean anything but possibly your degree of financial wealth.
And to call him out publicly for what he wears— I can think of no other world leader who would be subjected to this admonishment.
Zelenskyy's character can be judge more directly by how he treats others and whether you think he's protected his country. From what I've seen, he has treated Americans with respect. His attire is to remind people he's at war, not unlike Churchill wearing a siren suit to the White House in 1942.
Zelensky's attire is meant as a symbol of solidarity with the Ukrainian fighters.
I love you @dieworkwear.bsky.social ! Such brilliant commentary on our larger world, seen through its sartorial lens.
At last. A real President in the White House. (Zelenskyy). This is the real reason maga is so upset.
Just shows that the administration is about pomp, while lacking real substance.
Personally, I think Zelenskyy's choice against wearing a suit says much more than a suit would. His attire tells us that, first and foremost, he is also a citizen of Ukraine, a nation at war, no more or less than any other. He is only as extraordinary as any single person in the Ukrainian army.
Utilitarian clothing also suggests that he is not a man who has the luxury of wearing a suit and distinguishing himself, because he's on the ground with his people. He is fighting this war just the same as any other Ukrainian. In a way, the attack is more like Trump giving himself the middle finger.
Trump is a man whose titles include "Commander-in-Chief," but he thinks so highly of himself that he would shame a citizen of a country at war for not wearing properly formal attire. Zelenskyy probably didn't even have to make much of a choice with his clothes, because he's wearing clothes very
typical of him in the situation. His non-choice illustrates Trump and co's pettiness, impropriety, and utter disrespect. It's another occurrence proving that all MAGA can do is tell on itself.
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Brian Glenn, the alleged journalist who made this comment is Marjorie Taylor Greene's partner. I would add: The one who is criticized for his attire deserves the respect of the idiots in ties, because his brains are beyond them.
Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day And tell the world that everything's okay But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back 'Til things are brighter, I'm the man in black -Johnny Cash
How apt! Thank you!
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Thanks to @timothysnyder.bsky.social for linking this post to his Thinking About... substack letter of March 7, 2025, "Antisemitism in the Oval Office." And thanks to Timothy Snyder for all his truth-tellling about fascism in the US and Russia, and for his tireless advocacy for Ukraine.
Yes! Thank you @timothysnyder.bsky.social . I would have otherwise missed this thoughtful post. Please see his Substack.
Zelenskyy will wear a suit again when Ukrainian people will live in peace.
Trump is ignorant. I remember that Zelensky said he would wear a suit after the Russia-Ukraine war, when his people would live in peace.
I also remember the first post of this thread
Not that I give a shit about clothing but Churchill was responsible & advocated for the famine in India that killed millions of human beings. He also said some awful racist stuff about brown people. Really a despicable person.
if you don't give a shit about clothing why did you bother reading this whole thread about it
IIRC, Zelenskyy has explicitly referenced this - maybe when he addressed congress a few years ago? Memory fuzzy...
I think he said something like 'I'll dress like a soldier as long as we're at war.' He has said something about it being solidarity with his troops.
Good thread
Kindly remind that Zelensky has been in the White House before, and it wasn't a big problem then. So the problem is what he wears or who the host is?
Plus it’s shows his torso and his handsome self not bloated with over indulgence, orange bronzer and black eyeliner.
Trump would have respected him more if he'd show up looking like Gaddafi in the 80s, all covered in military baubles and sashes.
T-shirt, ball cap and brought his kid to the meeting, but that was ok.
Don't forget zooted out of his mind on ketamine!
the boy imitates his father.. notice?
Although, the boy is more properly dressed than his father! Lol
Anyway, those are my thoughts. You can choose to dress in certain ways to elicit certain reactions (e.g., perform respectability), but real respect is about more meaningful actions. Important to not conflate how you choose to dress with how you judge others. Dress respectability is Victorian ethics.
Thank you for this thread! No more words necessary!
Thank you and I love you.
Preach it! 🙌🏻
Also the “id wear a suit” people often have no sauce in a suit
Or they look like sauce in a suit
They often have sauce *on* their suit…
Yes this is accurate.
Great now I’m hungry
Then eat the rich
If you don't understand the semiotics of dress you're stuck with choosing from whatever identities you can get off the shelf. You'll be lucky if any of them fit ok.
It’s also easy to give exactly the opposite impression from what you intended by wearing a cheap or ill fitting suit.
I love and appreciate all you do! Keep it up please!
"did you say thank you once this entire meeting" reveals just how similar Trump and Vance are to George Costanza insisting that, in fact, it was he who paid for the big salad
Yes, rumpy-the tv personality
Thanks. And thanks also for letting me read this on @bsky.app
Thank you for this thorough write-up.
Just to add some tangential context: remember how he reportedly freaked out on Sean Spicer for wearing a grey suit after the first press conference.
If he had worn a suit they would have asked how he was able to afford a suit while he was asking for our money. No win.
Brilliant.
well said and thank you for speaking up!
The disrespectful behavior here was the president and vice president berating a head of state.
They were sickening!
If I were him I’d wear swim trunks for the follow up meet because that would sum up the ‘respect’ he should show for the couple of White House bullies that showed him such a lack of respect in that disgraceful showdown! There is a way to act as an adult and prominent figure however impassioned! 🤷🏻♀️
I love your commentaries and you are so often spot on, but, I feel you’ve missed one important aspect. Zelenskyy is also being watched at home, which is in a state of war. No one at home has time or the luxury of a suit. Like Churchill’s siren suit, he sends a message home that he is with them.
He’s literally been wearing military fatigues since the invasion. He’s wore them everywhere, as a demonstration that they are at war. It’s not casual dress or a personal style. It’s military garb. That’s what they’re insulting.
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Thank you for this thread. Well-said and reasoned.
Also, the Ukrainian word for suit is pronounced "kostyum." Several European countries, like Sweden and France, use a word that sounds like costume to refer to a suit. Zelenskyy's saying he'll wear a suit after the war.
Interesting
Yes! That being said, if he did mean costume, I think it's a perfectly apt word for the situation. Those men are all dressed up as though they are respectable men. They aren't.
Let's all not forget the racist uproar around President Obama wearing a tan suit. Or jeans!
Trump is often seen in a suit (poorly fitting as it is), and has disdain heaped on him from respected people around the globe. And it's 100% due to his words and actions.
Bravo. On top of all of that, I’m such a fan of Zelenskyy’s silhouette. I don’t doubt that’s also influenced by the strength he exudes.
Here in the UK even royalty gives zero fucks about suits because we know class and courage doesn’t need to dress up
Thank you for this, beautifully written. Women are more used to being judged by their clothing in this way so it hit hard. We know what it feels like to have men say “you were asking for it, dressed like that.”
Trump pretty much said that to another country. Goes with the whole "why don't you wany peace through diplomacy?" spiel theyre doing.
Goes well with the "I'll harm you if you don't agree to marry/sleep with me" sorry "sign over your rights to your natural resources" spiel they're doing. The whole mineral deal thing is so rape-y it made me feel physically sick. Goes well with their celebration of sex-offenders.
I've watched that exchange once, & only once, b/c all I saw was Zelensky, desperately fighting for his ppl, & all those idiots did was focus on superficial crap like his clothes. I've been there, done that. I nearly punched the screen I was so upset.
Essi, I feel this deeply. I’m loving this conversation. I’m a scientist and I still like to put on eye makeup and get dolled up with my lab coat while doing experiments in the lab. I’ve been criticized for “being too fancy” for science.
My mother used to advise me: “don’t worry about what people think of you, worry about what you think of them,” and it applies quite widely.
Ahhh. Beautiful.
Also remember when these schmucks raised holy hell about President Obama wearing a tan suit in the Oval Office while saying nothing about President Bush wearing jeans. The outrage by MAGA is purely performative and in this case designed as the opening salvo in a shameful ambush.
The same as being judged by anything that others see…from the way you dress, to your physical attributes to the color of your skin.
Not going to listen to fashion advice from Trump... "Then he said he liked these extra-long ties 'because they point to your dick'." Excerpt From Lucky Loser: How Donald Trump Squandered His Father's Fortune and Created the Illusion of Success Russ Buettner
He’s also got 38 million more important things than finding a dry cleaner while Russian missiles and drones attack them
Marco "Pollo" Rubio looked like either his suit suddenly grew three sizes or he shrunk that much. I thought his head was going to disappear down the neck.
He wanted to disappear. He looked like he wanted the couch to swallow him whole.
Have you considered he's also dripped the fuck out?
Appreciate your always-thoughtful perspective.
Hard to kick a simp into a well when you're wearing a suit.
Maybe the next fashion requirement will soon be Mar-a-Largo face for all diplomats and Heads of State who wish to visit?
Another historical example
As someone who regularly dresses like a slovenly jock gamer (but can also get fancy when my wife wants me to), thank you for this thread. It’s something I’ve tried to tell people for a long time - it doesn’t matter what you *say* are your values, it matters what you *do*
This gets to what's so disgusting about the people running our country into the ground: they can't get themselves to say out loud what their obvious, actual values are. They know they'll sound like the ghouls they are. They know they have no integrity. They hate themselves for being so weak.
Actually I think your interpretation is slightly inaccurate:for Zelensky, it would be disrespectful of Zelensky to his people struggling & dying if Ze wore a suit at this time. The same with Churchill. And its disrespectful of Trump etc to demand he wears a suit to pretend no war is happening
I agree. It shows he knows his country is at war, constantly. And that he is never taking time out to enjoy a nice suit and a cup of tea in some other country's mansion. He is always fighting for his country and he never forgets it. His uniform is this. He wears it for his country, and no one else
Zelenskyy respects his people by maximizing their chances for sustained self-determination. He is obligated to do whatever does that.
He maximises the chances for his people by not wearing a suit: if he wears a suit, it is too easy for others to say "it can't be all that bad if he's wearing a suit & dining on nice food etc". Vance has no problems with "disrespect" when Musk wears a Tshirt & cap in the White House
this 💯 the way Zelensky dresses is as close as you can get with everyday wear to Obama's *positioning* in that famous shot of them all in that control room watching Osama bin Laden die not king but a president, non rex sed imperator (of the republic at least), he's got his job, his people theirs
and then i look it up and am reminded Obama wasn't wearing a suit either www.bbc.com/news/world-s...
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In the vein of “what you do,” Zelenskyy stayed in Ukraine. He’s put himself on the line with his country. And he’s wearing the president parallel to army fatigues in support of the troops, has this whole time. He’s said so. The comment wasn’t just dumb and insulting, it was personal and offensive.
Of course saying something is an action. When people proclaim that "actions speak louder than words", they're confused because saying something is an action.
Hi, Patrick. No, they are not confused. If they were, nobody would know what someone meant when they said the line. But everybody knows what they meant. Even you know what we mean when we say that.
What I understand people mean is that actions can't deceive you but words can. The problem is that can be totally wrong! Actions can deceive you, too! Also, as I said, speaking is an act.
Agreed, “values” are an action. They are not a thing we announce and then hide in a fancy glass cabinet to fawn over. Values must be things unafraid of use or they are so much empty air.
I’ve seen trolls on local news websites criticizing you for it when they really just don’t agree with your values and ideas, and I thought of you when the very same people (who, of course, have no issue with Musk’s attire) are using that to criticize the Ukrainian president. You’re in good company.
My partner is a 20+ yr veteran of the games industry. He wears jeans and a T-shirt about 80% of the time, suits (or suit adjacent ) about 1% of the time, & something in between the other. He's also the absolute best man I've ever met.
And by best, I mean he's compassionate, respects me as an equal, respects others, stands up when he sees injustice, intelligent, hard working, gentle, funny, friendly, helpful, safe, supportive... I could go on and on.
You could have just read The Emperor's New Clothes 😁 Clothes do not make the man.
Did you read Timothy Snyder's long substack piece about T2, in this meeting, replicating antisemitic tactics - including criticism of dress - from 90 years ago? What do you think?
Great thread
MTG is just creaming her jeans for her boyfriend RSBN correspondent Brian Glenn. Can you imagine being concerned with taste and dating that woman, yikes.
I’ve never commented on your posts before but followed you since Twitter days & enjoy your takes immensely. As someone who dresses to the beat of her own drummer, I appreciate all your points in this thread & can confirm that the value judgements made about the sartorial choices of others are bs.
A pig with lipstick is still a pig. Or, in this case, a traitorous Republican .
Mal Narcs will move the goalposts no matter what. You can’t win by twisting into a pretzel. Great 🧵
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Well said. In the words of the prophet, George Michael, sometimes the clothes do not make the man.
Thank you for that outstanding perspective. And by the way, I love how your brain works. Big fan.
I really enjoyed this thread, thank you. It invites reflection on the old saying "clothes make the man." But do they really? Remember "mule in a horse harness"? What's also interesting is that on xitter it's such a trend. Is that all that's important? Is this the tan suit du jour?
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It was a setup and it was gonna happen anyway. It was just another excuse. He could have worn a bespoke suit and it would not have mattered. They would have jumped him like they did. They needed a pretext to cut off aid and created it.
Dress respectability existed a long time before Victorian ethics, & is culturally universal. Apart from that, I agree with everything you’ve said.
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Nicely put. Also Zelinski was dressed up. He just wasn't wearing a stupid business suit. He also wasn't wearing the T-shirt he often wears including when addressing the Ukrainian public via video. But the Musk contrast is killer. 👕
If the concept of respect of others was truly held, the world would be a much better place. Thanks for such a thoughtful thread.
He is fighting for his country alongside his troops who don’t have the luxury of suit to wear. He embodies respect for the men and women of his country.
Trump always wears a suit. He looks like shit.
It hides his girdle. Not well but that’s the goal.
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Thank you Derek, for injecting meaning into this particular debate. Mind you, Trump and Vance would have probably treated Churchill in the same way - they would have sided with Hitler.
Z was right to choose his outfit to support his message. He's at war and he's NOT there to grovel (which Trump DIDN'T like). In a suit, they wouldn't've had the same complaint but he'd've been the most handsome in the room (good clothes and a skilled actor wearing them) and they'd've gone insane.
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This was a lovely thread. And, of course, slava ukraini.
I came to your feed to ask you "What's up with Marco Rubio being swallowed by his suit on the couch?" but I found so much more. Thank you for your commentary on the broader scene. Still wondering about that jacket, tho.
Thanks for sharing them.
Absolutely love this thread. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
This is only a discussion because idiots like MTG, Brian Glenn, and the other MAGA traitors have nothing else to justify this betrayal. Thanks for your words, but, for the majority who support Ukraine, his clothing was never an issue.
Might be my favorite post of yours so far, sir.
Terrific thread- Per Churchill's suit reminding people he is at war, I reflect on how royalty wear quasi military uniforms with decorative swords as a way to signify their stature as military leaders, not foppish dandies.
Great thread, dude. Thank you.
Wasn’t Marjorie T Greene’s current boyfriend the “reporter” who asked the question? Probably a plant.
Absolutely agree - and the person asking the question was an ass because Zelensky addressed this awhile ago saying he'd remain in battle gear as long as his country was fighting for freedom.
Women’s version: Let’s not forget the MAGA uproar about Michelle Obama wearing sleeveless dresses while Trump’s little blondies wear nothing but those brighly colored sleeveless dresses (with prominently displayed crosses) come summer ...
And the same reporter who suggested that Z’s failure to wear a suit had nothing to say about Musk running a Cabinet meeting in a black tshirt and a baseball cap.
Honest counterpoint: how then to react to how John Fetterman dresses in the Senate?
Thank you for this thread. Followed for this alone. You have perfectly encapsulated my views. You can be an arsehole whilst wearing anything and a decent human being whilst wearing anything too. A suit doesn’t make you a paragon of virtue. MTG’s hubby was a total wanker for making this an issue
Is that who asked the question? Figures.
Apparently boyfriend not hubby but both a pair of pond slime
A leader in wartime wearing a suit looks like he's going to a fancy cocktail party while his people suffer. Assad did this when his people rose against him, to demonstrate it's "business as usual", because that's the message he wants to send: "I remain unaffected by your childish tantrum".
That was exactly his point. He wore suit in the WH before. He explicitely said he will not wear one till the war end. And to be honest, now it would feel strange to change it because it would look like he got immune while people still die.
I really wish he had said that in rebuttal to that idiotic question!
He did... the line about "I'll wear a costume after the war is over" but the WHY went over most people's heads.
Remember, Trump is kind of a dick about wearing suits. Wasn't there an incident with Jr while in college and they were headed to a Yankees game and Trump had a fit when Jr wasn't wearing a suit and made him change - to go to a ball game? Something was said to MTG's BF before the meeting for tv.
at leats in the versions I heard "the fit" involved slapping his son so hard he fell down
Correct, I was running out of characters.
If he'd worn an expensive suit, they'd be accusing him of corruption for taking U.S. money and buying fancy suits. Wearing an expensive suit to beg for money is not a good look.
Thank you.
As always, well said
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That you for this thread: this is very astute commentary.
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Personally I think the way these Republicans wear suits is disrespectful. Why do they all dress so poorly? Zelenskyy looks much better in his black outfit
Elon Musk is always in the Oval Office not wearing a suit, I have noticed
Plus Zelensky’s shirt had an embroidered crest of Ukraine over the heart. And Elon musk wears T-shirts and MAGA caps in the Oval and Cabinet meetings…and stands above the president as if he’s in charge
Exactly
Excellent thread. There’s is also the issue of how it looks at home. He’s not living the highlife and hangin’ at the White House. He’s showing he is with his people, always. Perfectly typical of these douches to only view the world from their own eyes
Thank you!
I mean, I wish John Fetterman looked like he didn't sleep in his clothes in the Senator. Also his votes are terrible. Zelenskyy is a hero, defending a country fending off 3 years of invasion. He sleeps underground, if at all. And he looked sharp.
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They just had nothing else to come at him with, that much is clear. Zelenskyy is smarter, braver, classier, more honourable, more dignified than any of those other men in the room. It's all they had and it's a total nonsense.
He's also a comedian used to deflecting hecklers, I know Trump is completely senile but amazing that Vance thought he has the juice to rattle Zelenskyy on that basis alone.
Vance thinking he could match wits with Zelensky is hilarious.
I know, right? The tedious little twerp. Poor Zelenskyy must be so tired.
AFAIK Zelensky didn‘t wear a suit since day one of the invasion, when russian moles started several attempts on his life. Ukraine is at martial law, and Selensky is the head of the armed forces, therefore his clothing represents his role as head of a country at war.
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You've been a great person to follow for fashion advice and also just how well you articulate situations, including things like this one. Thanks for everything.
Zelensky decided not to wear a suit until the war is over. We had that discussion a couple of times. Don’t warm it up again.
Absolutely, he has communicated clearly about this. I am grateful the author of this thread posed these questions..it was childish brutish of ‘reporter’ to ask in that setting
Spot-on!
This is the key point. He is a war leader. He pointed out that he will wear a suit after the war is concluded. To paraphrase "something like yours but better".
Exactly. He’s is, and has been, a true gentleman statesman. And Zelenskyy’s visual solidarity with Ukrainians fighting for their lives and sovereignty is more important than playing dress up to please powder puffs in DC.
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His attire is more respectful and subdued than the bro junk Musk wears
If he'd have worn a suit, but it wasn't a polyblend Men's Wearhouse-looking piece of crap like what Cheetolini wears, they'd probably bitch about that, too.
Mmmm... the audacity of taupe.
Gaza desperately needs your help! Despite the war ending, life there is still extremely difficult. There is no food, and no basic essentials for survival. Let's help rebuild what the war destroyed."
I was thinking that there must be a precedent for leaders messaging with their clothing. I never thought of Churchill. Great comparison!
And how many times has Zelenskyy been here since the invasion, to the WH and Capitol, and worn exactly what he wore today! And the Republicans groused about it then, too. I have no problem with his choice of clothing, then or now.
Don’t let them distract you w fashion. F ‘em
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Trump and Vance planned to attack him. They have to show Piton they are meeting their obligations!
Bullies always thrash and fret when confronted with real strength
All Hail! We shall fight the sons a beaches.
A leader of a country at war appearing in finery could be taken by some as disrespectful of the hardships his men are suffering. Mothers whose sons have died might not love seeing him in a Savile Row suit. He came across as a wartime leader to me
It's an odd thing. Netanyahu mostly wears suits, and changes to a Uniclo when he's in "the field" to show seriousness, but he has tried to do the Zelenskyy and it looked fake, probably because of his suited history and also because he seems fairly incapable of dressing down.
Also, he's viewed as a poseur when it comes to military stuff. It's also so bizarre because Israeli are so informal in their dress normally. Non-Haredi Knesset members in ties? Doesn't happen all the time
His supporters don't see him as a poseur at all. But it is always visible when politicians with a strong military history meet those without one. It was also visible when Netanyahu met the press with Gantz and Gallant.
True.
That may also be a generational issue, Netanyahu was born in 1949, he was a management consultant in the 1970s. He's been in suits for 52 years. Zelenskiy was born in 1978, he was a comedian and actor.
Less generational, more career - Yair Lapid, one of Netanyahu's rivals, also comes from TV and his style goes back and forth between a tight black T-shirt and a suit. He's been going for "older statesman" in the last year with a beard but IMO it's not a great fit.
A bit of both. But Lapid was born in 1963, he wasn't old enough to be working in the 1960s and early 70s when suits were a requirement rather than a choice.
You can contrast further with Al-Sharaa, who has been doing his best to signal business as usual with a suit as opposed to the more military or religious wear he used to have
Zelensky dresses as soldier, but not in the battledress of someone on the front line, or the regalia of an officer, but in the style of someone who is the servant of the people. He knows who the heroes are to whom he shows respect.
Ukraine has a strong man for their president. Can't say the same for america. The acts like a mob boss. No class he has no class. He embarrasses us no.
To be fair, who among us hasn't woken up and thought fuckit, I'll just throw on my boiler suit?
US politicians often wear casual clothing when visiting disaster zones. Which is what the White House currently is.
Zelensky has stated many times that he's not wearing a suit in solidarity with the military and rescue workers who put their lives on the line every day. And that he'll go back to wearing suits after the war is over. It's not some big mistery.
And everybody in the room knows that. They're being willfully obtuse.
unlike zelenskyy, dude can NOT pull off his look
Isn’t the point that it’s not about ‘pulling off a look’?
Instead Zelenskyy an 1942 Churchill would be a really interesting situation today.
Oh that Churchill example's a great precedent. But I don't think you need to be a fashion expert to understand the message Zelenskyy is sending with his wardrobe. It's just that the message—"I am fighting a war, and I am not going to quit"—isn't the message Trumpists wanted to hear.
You have it perfectly here: "His attire is to remind people he's at war, not unlike Churchill wearing a siren suit to the White House in 1942." Zelensky dresses as soldier, but not in the battledress of the front line, or the regalia of an officer, but as someone who is the servant of the people.
well Z showed a huge lack of respect by coming here to beg for more money and then interrupting everyone and insisting on terms he is never going to get. In the end he is going to lose some territory, agree to end the war AND pay us back w/rare earth minerals. Putin may or may not keep his promises
Yes everyone can see zelinskyy is a statsman and very polite. The other to are the lowest lifeforms in existence
From now on the appropriate amount of respect for the Whine House is best expressed by arriving in home clothes.
This Churchill picture is precisely why the zelensky attire has irked many: he is wearing the costume of Churchill because that's the role he was assigned in the propaganda. On this they have a point, it is rather pathetic to treat his war time presidency as an act, it's either serious or it isn't.
I made this exact point hours ago too! But the dimwit, under educated MAGA'ts wouldn't have a clue!
Personally, I would argue that to wear a suit while your country is being attacked, and your people are dying in trenches, is of a particularly bad taste. Also, those who mistake clothing with character, tend to have better clothing than character.
Funfact: The 'siren suit' was invented by ... (drum roll) ... Winston Churchill himself.
I think it‘s also important to note, that Zelenskyy‘s attire has elements of traditional Ukrainian folk costumes (the collar for example) - which I‘m sure is intentional, since Ukrainian culture is something Putin is trying to erase.
now following you because of this thread. Thanks
The suit conceit is a european one when attending political meetings I would wear an african two piece tunic and trousers. Churchill wore denim and corduroy boiler suits throughout ww2 no one complained.
If Zelenskyy wore his usual suit, he would have looked like a stiff. I love the fact that he wore what he probably wears 90% of the time these days. The gall of these pissants to question his sartorial choices is infuriating.
Neither did Churchill when he came here during WWII. But they ignore Elon, who wears a ball cap and T-shirt to cabinet meetings as well as the Whitehouse, and let's Trump babysit his son.
Roland Barthes had a lot to say about this.
"Vestis virum reddit," and all.
actually you are only partly right. people virtue signal by what they wear…for example LGBTQIA+ virtue signal by wearing rainbow colors…they are dying for you to know their alternate sexual preferences. So in this instance…get it?
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Clothes can be a great way to send a message, which itself is an action 😁
Great point and exactly why I shall be buying a deep green shirt with the Ukrainian seal on the front. From a Ukrainian seller 😉 Can’t wait to sport it out and about to show my support. Kind of like their red hat. It will be my uniform until our war is over.
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For me, it's more about shouting my uniqueness from the rooftops 😁
I think the key is to not conform. Can't make a statement with your outfit by following the same rules as the masses. 3 cheers for thrift stores & eclectic, individual tastes!
I think how someone conforms can communicate just as much as not conforming. For example, it is fairly common in the western US to wear bolos, instead of neckties, with suits. Both are conforming, but which one someone chooses can tell you something about them.
Yeah, regional cultures and subcultures can be conveyed that way without bucking fashion too badly. But I'm a pirate Goth trans woman with facial hair & a voice in the bass register. As Dr. King said, "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted."
Also a cane & wheelchair user on oxygen. I really need to step up my decorating game now that I'm using the latter two more. I have a VERY nice hand carved madrona cane that doubles as a warhammer (seriously). I used to work Renfaire.
When I was using a walker, I always wanted to wrap it in that handle tape they make for tennis rackets, but I could never find the energy.
I am reminded of that picture of Don Trump Jr attempting to ruggedly sit on a tree stump and fucking it up entirely.
The Filson ad fascinates me because they were a genuine working man’s clothing company - including pant legs hemmed to length and trimmed with leather - until the last 20 years when they’ve gone through a succession of Americana purveyors.
It's cosplay.
Form instead of substance is a core fascist tenet. The form of law, no justice. The form of courage with only cruelty inside. The claptrap of culture with nothing but Moloch inside.
Look. I like your stuff but if you keep poking holes in my fashion strategy of wearing a cool jacket and ignoring everything else I don't know if I can take it.
It’s well-established Zelensky sees his role as identifying w/military & citizenry of Ukraine, in fatigues & half-zips. He made several statements that he will wear a suit of a politician when 🇺🇦is no longer at war. Every smirking asshole in that room knew this. It was performative humiliation.
It was *attempted* humiliation; it didn't work.
I can't agree more. My usual go to is very "modest". Ankle length flowy skirts or loose slacks that hide my figure, blouses that don't show cleavage, I usually have a shawl on if my arms are exposed more than a t-shirt would show. Meanwhile, I've been known to enjoy random hookups when single. 🤷🏻♀️
Amen, brother!
Yes, exactly. I don’t care about appearance. I care about actions. It’s the same with these folks hyping up what good Christians they are, but it’s the appearance of virtue or a performative Christianity they’re selling. Their actions lack compassion and actual virtue. 1/2
Also, the whole suit thing: I thought, “Dude is at war. Fashion ain’t his priority. Miss him with that ad hominem bullshit.” It was reminiscent of the outrage over Obama’s tan suit. 2/2
Especially when wearing the same suit over a soiled diaper.
Been saying essentially this my entire life as I wage war on dress codes. 99% of people do not understand though.
It was notable that Robert Mugabe required suits and ties at meetings after taking control of government in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe and chastised ppl showing up on Castro style olive green fatigues.
Appearances over substance is a big part of conservatism in general. The appearances of patriotism, of masculinity, of Christianity... It's all they have, because actually living up to ideals is harder than waving symbols around
It’s “brown suit” stuff all over again. It’s the dumbest shit and no one with a brain should fall for it.
right they’re all in suits and they’re the shittiest people
This is how I feel about cars. You think your car makes you a Real Badass, but you are literally just sitting down.
This has a parallel in the cars people drive as well. Or any sort of self-presentation. We tell stories about ourselves, and they may or may not be true. I dress a certain way to referee a soccer game, and it would look odd to attend church or go grocery shopping like that.
Did we learn nothing from Barney Stinson
Frankly I think discussing it in such depth only serves to give credence to the question in the first place. There could hardly be a less appropriate question to put to Zelenskyy right now and every legitimate reporter should be embarrassed they have that person among them - even the one from TASS.
Wait are you telling me this guy isn’t actually an expert woodworker with blue collar credentials?!
Blue collar or blue* blood? I'd say he knows his way around a well-decorated, somewhat well-lit set. *setting aside all hifalutin social registers
those beautifully silky fingers have never felt a splinter.
So all of the crazy-ass costumes that MAGA supporters have worn to rallies show respect for our country all of a sudden? 🙄
Thinking that's important just convinces me they're a moron.
I feel similarly but unfortunately this mindset is deeply ingrained and unlikely to change soon. It takes effort to look past appearances and override years of social conditioning. Personally, I prioritize comfort over conforming to expectations whether that means dressing up or not dressing at all.
At *best* I think one could retort that "wearing a suit is an extra effort which indicates one's desires and seriousness", *except* that could only apply when nothing is known about the person. Zelensky is a known person with known disposition, rendering it an empty signifier again.
Agree with you 100%.
Men in suits kill more people every day than men in uniform.
well, leather is protective
I believe there's an Einstein quote here, 'If they want to talk to me, I'm here. If they want to talk to my suit, it's hanging up." I paraphrase, because I can't remember it properly. And it might be in German.
Trump wears the same ill-fitting horrible suit every day.
I think it's colonialism and an attempt to exert hegemonic control. I can't find the pictures, but recall seeing some from equatorial West Africa when rubber barons forced local folks to dress in suits, despite high temperatures and humidity.
I really appreciated Zelensky coming right back and calling it a costume - it was right on point
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If only we cared for moral character & a person's adherence to their values half as much as we seem to value civility & respectability. It's all packaging & marketing for the vile human turds underneath. Today was exhibit A with the only non-sociopath (or their toadies) not in uniform.
Thugs wear suits these days. But this is the era of the emperor's new clothes anyway. No amount of money and no particular clothing is a substitute for character or class. Those traits are an inside job.
Conservatives need respectability in dress because, without the appearance of virtue, what virtue would they have left?
Bingo
Great thread, thank you. What about what he's wearing though? Seems to me he shouldn't be smugly questioning another man's clothing choices.
Exactly. Best point in case: Trump. Just because he wears a monkey suit doesn't automatically make him respectable. Respect has to be earned in my opinion and he certainly hasn't earned mine. He has lost a whole lot of it, in fact. He also has no respect for a lot of others.. you get what you give.
I was brought up to dress appropriately, it was also pointed out to me that behaving appropriately was more important and that looking impressive was not as important as being impressive in thought, action and deed. My grandad pointed out SS Nazi uniforms were highly designed to provoke fear.
There were many suit clad 'dignitaries' in the Oval office but I detected no virtue there. Nor respect, intelligence or capability to be found. Anyone in the oval not defending Zelenskyy (many) is going to carry this sin a very long time.
The reason I am suspicious is because the Nazis highly valued their sartorial choices (Hugo Boss) and that's all I need to know
This is it. There is a performative aspect to this whole administration that is demeaning and destructive to American standing on the world stage.
Didn’t see them admonishing Kellyanne Conway when she got too comfy, if they’re this keen on propriety.
I didn’t see it as a respectable issue. It’s that what he’s wearing are military fatigues, in the mold of Fidel Castro. It’s a tough-guy costume. “I’m a heroic warrior.” When you’re a statesman in the company of statesmen, well, I would have worn a suit and a Trump tie. (And I don’t even like trump)
Oh mate! You went so far left you ended up far right. Nobody is going to be drinking water under Putin's heel.
And ofc you know how this relates to the Prague Spring.
If you are this worried about appearances equating political value, you need to target the entire GOP cabinet+ Elon as not a single one of them has put actual adult effort into their attire. Vance won't even wear a suit that FITS PROPERLY and you're mad a leader at war is wearing war fatigues
It’s about showing respect. This isn’t a frathouse or a tech startup.
Then why is it ok for Elon to wear sports coats and graphic tees with ball caps in the white house? Why is it ok for the VP to wear such poorly fitting suits that he always looks like a child that just had a growth spurt. Z at least is wearing an Official Ukrainian uniform. What's Elon's excuse?
Who said Elon’s attire was OK? It was the Secretary of State wearing the big suit. It didn’t look great but at least it demonstrated intent to conform.
you say you don't want the white house to be a frat house when that is the entirety of Trump's cabinet... So again, why are you pissing your pants over a foreign leader wearing an official uniform and not at your own leaders acting like slobbish children?
It’s not an official uniform. He isn’t in the military. And this meeting was a formal diplomatic one.
He looks like a man that is dressed respectfully to me. And he looks like the only one that dressed himself, not like a toddler playing games with people's lives. Vance's ill-fiting suit is disrespectful. Trump's frumps are Much more disrespectful than a foreign leader wearing nonstandard clothes
Yea..... But Intent to conform to a fascist regime. when you claim a leader at war cannot wear their own country's military uniform without it being "disrespectful", you are siding with needless distractibility. You are not siding with respect but obsession with appearances- a cornerstone if fascism
are we still talking about the Trump White House?
Winston Churchill didn’t wear a suit when he visited the White House in January, 1942, Richard.
When Starmer was in there he wore a suit and bore a letter from the King inviting him to a state dinner. Masterful. He paid homage, and that gave him license to talk business. Zelensky both dressed as a soldier after losing his war, and had the temerity to argue and threaten America
I still can't get over the idea that you seem to think the UK and Ukraine are vassal states of the US
Ok. That doesn’t change the fact that they are.
and there it is stop with the pretense that you have any concern for Ukrainians. Just say that you think Trump is emperor and you have no issue with his support of war criminals
this is insane. The idea that he needs to bend a knee to Trump is wild. The idea that he must tolerate lies and abuse is absurd There were threats in that room, but they came from the Trump admin
Know how I’d have handled it? I’d have been very quiet except to thank Trump and the American public and said nothing else. No arguing, no contradiction. And I’d have worn a suit as one does to a serious meeting.
Trump and Vance didn’t ask Zelensky over to negotiate, they asked him over to extort him. This was an ambush.
So you’d have just rolled over for someone who only wanted to pursue positions that were harmful to your country.
An absolute coward
He’s fought a three year war and it’s lost. He needs to be made to face the facts.
Who says it’s lost? You? Trump? Putin?
Dude’s just another dumb tankie
Reality
even if we grant your premise, saying that he must tolerate lies and reward the war monger is immoral
There’s no actual upside to appeasing Trump in that moment. Showing himself subservient there would have meant he got the proposed deal where Putin got everything, Ukraine got nothing, and Trump extorted a country because he’s a tyrant who loves war crimes
Russia hasn’t even been able to recover all the territory they lost I. Kursk, much less achieve the stated goals of their 3 day special military operation, what on earth are you talking about?
It sounds like you’re soaking up propaganda like a sponge.
didn't really ask but that would be an incredibly stupid tactic. You'd give away your country with no guarantees, and tolerate a coward insulting you on tv while he demanded that you thank him for harming you? but you'd wear clown shoes while doing it so you felt good about abandoning your people
seriously, saying that you'd be a traitor to your country to gain favor with a man who is allied with the dictator murdering your people is at least some admirable honesty. I don't know that I've met anyone else who says they value clothes over human life
Blockity block block There is nothing of value to be gleaned from someone who thinks like this.
I'm passing time in the airport 🤷♂️😜
Any disagreements would be reserved for the closed door session, not the press pool spray.
Nah And it's wild that you don't seem to have a single bad word for the non-statesman who attacked and belittled Z. In fact, it appears that you openly praise Trump for it
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No contradiction at all - not even when Trump and Vance told him to try diplomacy. You would just agree to try diplomacy when Putin already violated the diplomatic agreement they had in place prior to the invasion. What an idiotic idea.
When Trump then demanded the wealth of Ukraine, Richy would have said "thank you, my lord"
You’re a dummy.
Read the transcript or watch the entire hour long meeting. He got into an argument when he didn’t need to and he got ejected from the White House. It may not be fair or nice. But he was there on a job and he didn’t get that job done. The wardrobe choice did not do him any favors.
Ah, but remember that you’re a liar who is trying to pretend that Zelenskyy was threatening America and that it was okay for Trump to throw a childish tantrum. So literally no one should ever respect anything you say. You’ve chosen to be like this to support fascism and betraying allies.
Zelensky said he feels threatened by Russia and although the U.S. has big oceans you will feel it too. That set Trump off saying he won’t tell them what they will feel. It was a threat and over the line.
I love that actually being attacked is merely "feeling threatened" but there was no threat
You’re a liar, that isn’t what the word “threat” means. Remember, normal people don’t feel this weird need to show obsequious deference to The Leader. We are not like you.
I think he’s a maniac and criminal. But he’s right about this issue.
which issue? That it's good to support war crimes? That it's good to try to enrich yourself over the bodies of dead Ukrainians? Or that smearing an honorable man is good?
No, he really isn’t, which is why you feel the need to lie to support him. When you guys try the “I’m actually neutral, I just happen to agree with the fash this time!” you’re never as good at pulling it off as you think.
How is Zelenskyy saying that the US will eventually feel threatened by Russia too a threat, Richard?
You complete wanker. Get back to X.
Missing the point. Read the whole thread. bsky.app/profile/diew...
Missing the point, part 2 bsky.app/profile/diew...
missing the point, part three. Zalensky was set up. The whole thing was staged to create an excuse to cut off aid to Ukraine. www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...
Vance started the argument both with the suit (pointing to the reporter with that question), and calling Zelensky disrespectful. Zelensky thanked Trump & US repeatedly and sat there while Trump said he was the greatest dealmaker and ignored Zelensky’s concerns about a secure peace
“Concerns about a secure peace” is code for he wants US troops in country so he can manufacture a resumption of war and then the US is dragged into it. That is not going to happen.
The US dragged NATO in and now cowardly folds with Krasnov in lead
NATO is most certainly not in
Na, USA is out you mean. Picture of the summit with alle western leaders last week
Tell me what respect you think he owes to the country that tried to literally sell Ukraine to Russia? I don't actually give a fuck that he was dressed in military clothing. He is fighting for his country which is more than Trump has ever done. All you've done is prove Derek's point.
“Foreign policy is an explicitly amoral enterprise” - Samantha Power He needs the US for a lot of reasons I don’t need to recite. When you need something from someone you show deference and respect.
He needs Europe more than he needs America, and he showed them that he not going to knuckle under to Lardass and laughing boy trying to sell out his country. He's worn similar clothes every time he's met a President or addressed Congress and it wasn't an issue then. MAGAts are just children
Children don't care about respectability virtue signalling/clothes, brainwashed adults incapable of individual thought do (ei fascists)
MAGAts don't actually care either, it's all about siding with the cult leader, hence, children
That would be a clever response if Trump’s actions here were in the best interests of the US and not Putin.
in your well-informed estimation, what suit is appropriate to wear into war? zelensky is at war. what else should he wear but the attire of his country’s soldiers without the helmets and flack jackets? is a single or double breast jacket better to be shot at in? pleated slacks or flat front?
I've seen this exact point being made round the sky today with a picture of Churchill wearing a plain military uniform when he visited the President in the US during WW2.
Couldn't agree with this thread any more. Respect is earned through consistent actions, intentions, grace and consideration. You don't get to be a criminal, misoginistic egomaniac then throw on a suit and demand respect. Hitler always dressed immaculately btw...
Clothes make the man? Not necessarily.
I think thtat MAGA movement is stupid in either way.
Great analysis! Do you mean: If you answer yes, then YOU think Trump and the MAGA movement is stupid. Matters of geopolitics should not be affected by issues of fashion.
Love this take. Also Zelenskyy deliberately chooses this attire because he is at war. He is connected to his people instead of how he dresses. This is his uniform of war.
This “thread” about threads is excellent. It reminds me of the carpetbagging politicians who wear pristine Carhartt jackets to campaign in Montana. Makes them identify with ranchers.
Pristine!! Wonderful! And new cowboy boots pinching their toes 🤣🤣🤣
I will also add, in regards to Vance (and others) claiming it’s “disrespectful” to not have a suit on in the Oval Office, it’s generally considered VERY disrespectful and rude for a HOST to comment that the clothing of their guest is not good enough.
I thought that too, right away, but then I wondered if lovely manners and self-control are just too quaint anymore. Commenting negatively on your guest's attire? Vulgar.
Really. What happened to the crazy idea of hospitality: making a guest feel welcome and comfortable. I’m sure MAGAts would sneer but I have gotten everything I wanted in life (and more) by being authentically nice. Seems simple. And I’m not a shove. My nickname is “Badass”🌞
Vance has as little class as Trump, which is to say none.
It was very rude and a leader wouldn’t have allowed the question from a reporter. Instead it looked planted. It was repulsive to watch.
Much, much worse.
This!
If Vance was really a hillbilly, he would know that making a visitor welcome is the first rule. “Hi y’all! Have you had your dinner yet? Come on in here and have a bite with us!” THAT’s hospitality. But Vance only claims that part of his life when it’s advantageous.
I was gonna say, my Mama told us not to comment on things like that, it’s not polite. Besides, Zelensky looked a lot better than Steve Bannon ever has in the Oval. That whole sideshow was classic Soviet style agitprop, meant for Daddy Vlade’s consumption.
It was also considered, until today, to be extremely disrespectful to start screaming at a foreign leader during a press conference in the Oval Office so I guess respect is a one way street for these ghouls.
For me it was the demands for public supplication to Trump personally, along with the interruptions and the obvious ploy of having two speakers talking at him at the same time.
Don’t forget about the finger pointing!
Indeed. I guess Trump has moved on from the Village People to heavy metal.
That’s how it always works with abusers
ding ding ding
What an absolute disgrace. They are the scum of the earth.
Well played.
Here in the UK, I have seen no commentary on Zelenskyy's clothing. Everything is disgust and outrage about how Trump and Vance spoke to him.
I think there’s more Americans totally horrified at what happened with Trump and his trained monkey Vance.
No one ever brought that up anywhere.
Partly because everyone who has paid any attention to Zelenskiy's wardrobe already knows how he dresses and why.
As it should be! Signed, a horrified and livid American
Co-signed by a disgusted and deeply embarrassed American.
Solidarity 😭
On the day Trump signed an EO making English the official language of the USA, Zelenskyy chose to speak in English without a translator. This is an amazing show of respect from someone whose first language is not English. It is not about dressing to show respect. It is about daring to stand up.
Each European leader that spoke out in support of President Zelenskyy spoke English more eloquently than Trump
So does a slurring drunk who can't decide if he wants to fight you or if you're his new best friend.
So does my cat.
Zelenskyy speaks English beautifully.
And he has learned fluent English while Ukraine has been at war in order to communicate more effectively with his allies. He needed a translator almost exclusively 3 years ago.
The rest of the world can only hope to have a leader who reveals himself to be so completely committed to his country and his people under the same circumstances.
I love this so much
What was he doing in the White House?
He works for NewsMax, the ultra far right "news" station/rag. NewsMax now has White House access. So, the AP is out and NewsMax is in. It also doesn't hurt that he's Marjorie Taylor Greene's boyfriend. 🤮
I did not know he has a new job. Thanks!
Double🤮🤮
No, he works for Right Side Broadcasting Network. IDK but think he was not a member of the OvalOffice press gaggles for Pres.Biden. Now, he's the go to man for Trump. The network had live streamed Trump's MAGA rallies since 2016 and was dubbed the MAGA C-Span.😣 www.politico.com/news/magazin...
Ty.
You're welcome. 🙂
Very interesting ... more to come on this, I'm sure.
Need to edit that to read “schooled by” 😉.
😂💪🏽😂🇺🇦
I love this thread! Excellent!
Suits are just the distraction: brown suit, tan suit, no suit. Shut the suit up.
Well FOTUS is wearing no suit, bc the emperor has no clothes
I think the fact he dresses like that to stand in solidarity with the people of Ukraine is sweet. It would be icky to get dressed fancy while hospitals are bombed.
Listen. If you're going to the white house to GIVE the pReSiDeNt money, you can dress however you want. If you're going to ASK for money (and you're the sworn enemy of the pReSiDeNt'S sugar daddy), you're getting bullied whatever you wear. We don't make the rules. /s 🖕😑
Indeed. I’m no fashion expert but wearing a muumuu when you took the trouble to travel to the other side of the world to the White House is just cringe. 😬
Well, we all knew he needed to wear billowing robes to conceal all the bonesawed body parts he was carrying on his person.
That is a formal outfit from his culture and therefore not inappropriate
And the other is an outfit that shows that they are at wat, not in the Milan Fashion Week.
Re post ~8 here, pretense is kinda their thing.
Maga are stupid. They have no original thoughts, it’s a hive mentality of hate, greed and hypocrisy
The Borg of Star Trek lore. One mind, billions of people
This thread is remarkable!
It really is.
I think it's also disrespectful to criticize him and calling it a "track suit" or something when the type of collar is traditional in Eastern Europe... Like a modern, simple version of a vyshywanka/kosovorodka type of collar. And Zelensky has been wearing his "war president" outfits for years now 😉
Your political fashion rants make my brain happy. Thank you!
Well, I answer no; it's clear to me that Glenn (and TASS being there) were part of the setup to bully Zelenskyy publicly. These are the mean kids at school that we see in movies and TV, the kind who surround a kid in the cafeteria and pour yogurt on him or wait outside to beat him up.
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Yep. And Zelenskyy knew it. But he showed up anyway. And stood his ground and got some shots in (a suit like yours or maybe nicer) and showed the world what Trump is trying to do. You can never be grateful enough for people like trump who just keeps moving the goalpost.
Z also remained unbelievably calm and kept his tone measured and controlled as Trump and Vance yelled like man children.
He also went on Fox (and nowhere else) and stood his ground from what I can tell from the clips.
Zelenskyy was incredibly impressive on Fox. He didn’t attack Trump, and he made his case for Ukrainian defense.
He is intelligent and devoted to a just cause. The current US leadership is not.
And the rest of the world has expressed support of Ukraine. All the european countries, EU, they are more important.
otherwise, Trump + Vance would have rallied to Zelenskyy's support (of course they were supposed to)
Excellent thought!
Also, костюм (kos-TYOOM) is the Ukrainian and Russian word for suit which is in line with the points you have made here.
Winston Churchill didn’t wear a suit to the white house when he visited in war time - it’s a sort of rule / tradition - nations under war have more to think about than “ is my suit going to be ready “ duh the Middle East delegation also didn’t wear a suit - was he berated for it - I bet not
Also English isn’t president Zelenskyys first or second language. Think he did fabulous to stand his ground
(and French)
I didn't know that! The only French I know is from Franco-Russian/Ukrainian nouns and this one didn't register for me 🤓
Been learning French a while - the 'false friends' really stick out. Ironic given this context
Your background photo is one of my absolute favorites. It inspired me to start painting in earnest.
\o/ It was my first post here :) I find it helps feed the 'recovering misanthrope' part of my bio.
I enjoyed that word play at face value, suits are costumes, after all, good to know there was more to it.
MAGA's other criticism of support for Ukraine is the cost. Which is also a pretense. America has delivered something like $100 billion in aid over 3 years. During this period US GDP has totaled around $80,000 billion. It's not about the money any more than it is about the suit.
Most of that aid has been spent in the u.s on new equipment to replace the old outdated stuff they're giving ukraine instead of scrapping it or selling it as surplus
And the cost is largely a fiction, we are sending them stuff that would need to be disposed of and replaced, at least initially, I think we are finally into new production for a lot of stuff. It's paid to defense contractors in America generally.
Vance looks like an assistant coach for Glasgow Rangers at an Orange Lodge function; he loves that blazer tie combo, and the beard means no more shaving rash. He thinks he’s the smartest guy there but he smells of cheese.
🤣I appreciated that even if nobody else did. Wearing his weddings-funerals-court appearances polyester suit he bought in Primark years ago.
Knob cheese
Its not stupid, it's a basic human bias, the halo effect
The same MAGA cult members screaming about Zelensky's disrespect have no problem with dear leader Trump wearing his MAGA hat everywhere, which is nothing more than a decisive nazi-adjacent label he owns. Don't expect MAGA traitors to have any intellectual consistency, though.
Or with wearing a clown sized tie
Or the real dear leader, Elon, holding cabinet meetings in a graphic t-shirt and hat.
OiOi they can’t get their fashion or their stories straight can they?! 🤦🏻♀️
too bad there is not a photo of Winston nude in the White House.
Yuppers. But he’d prolly leap outta the photo & smack down them #MagaChode #fvcknazis! 🫷🤭 ✌️ & He’d demand we enact #CivilSucession w/ 0️⃣ concessions! 🗣️ “Hey Hey, heave ho! These christofascists have got to go!!!” #deportfElon47 & #tre45on if we ain’t gonna hang them traitors like they deserve.
On a side note, all your MAGAs need better tailors, their suits don't fit. Look at Macron: (ok, he's not obese, but a good tailor could handle Trump's 'imperfections')
Also look at Donald's posture these days ... hunchback
These people should hate how inappropriately long Trump wears his ties.
Whatever your answer, yes or no, the MAGA movement is not particularly bright, no?
When powerful people dress down (Zuck), it’s perceived as a demonstration of their power because they don’t have to follow the “rules.” When someone less powerful dresses down (Z), it’s perceived as a sign they’re disrespecting their “betters.”
How is Zelensky, President of Ukraine, less powerful than Zuckerberg, a tech giant?
At the rate Ukraine is spending money, it would burn through Zuckerberg's net worth in less than 3 years.
Because for many people, status is all about money.
Fair question. The analysis is contextual—what is the person wearing in the particular environment. Zelenskyy is less powerful relative to POTUS in the Oval Office. Zuck is more powerful on stage before adoring fans and investors. The difference is not the clothes, but the context.
In this context, I might agree, but Elon Musk, who wore a black tee, blazer, and cap during the cabinet meeting completely destroys that argument. Elon Musk was clearly the most powerful person in a cabinet meeting full of suits.
Case in point bsky.app/profile/drew...
Right, Elon is like Zuck not Z. Like, Zuck, Elon is demonstrating his power by dressing down. This doesn’t destroy my argument. It illustrates it. That said, my post was about perception, not reality. I think Musk is a piece of shit and Z is a hero.
That’s what they want you to think about Z. He is a brave leader for his. Country, showing solidarity with his people.
No no and no.
I joked that my answer was “yes” to ur previous question but I still think they’re stupid!!
The incident would have happened exactly the same way if Zelensky had been wearing a suit.
Yes. They are just big mad b/c they couldn't control him.
Respect is earned, not bestowed.
It never was. He is the lapdog of Putin.
He couldn't win either way. Suit could he interpreted as he is misappropriation funds for a nice suit and what he always wears which is always appropriate wasn't respectful.
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Nope. Makes no difference.
I adore him, btw
The ignorance is beyond the pale. Zelenskyy said, at the start of the war, that he would wear military fatigues in support of his troops for the entire war. And these yahoos suggested he break that promise. Appalling behaviour.
I know one American fascinated by quarter-zips
Quarter zips, or singlets, are the costume of choice when paired with twill chinos for prosperous, self satisfied Midwest suburban dads.
More like Silicon Valley tech bros in SF and the valley. Midwest suburban dads probably go for flannel shirts.
Though a full zip-up cardigan is tbh much more suited to the weather in the Bay Area, especially if you’re moving between different parts of it.
Absolutely not. They have sold their souls spines and nuts to Vlad Putin. And cheaply I might add.
That one is a still from his comedy show about the teacher who becomes president, right? Here’s one from when he actually became president, though. (Source: www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrain...)
No, the picture Derek posted is from his actual presidency. I want to say 2020, but it could be 2021. It’s from a national holiday speech.
Ah, okay.
Wait wait wait, my winter attire includes many under armor quarter zip fleece sweaters that I got on discount!
It was a trap, either way or the other. Assume, Zelenskyy would have worn a suit, the MAGA narrative would have been: “See, the guy is at war but comes to the W.H. in an expensive suit to beg for money. This is evidence he wants to buy suits for himself with our money!”
Of course not, the whole world has seen to sides a hero and on the other side a couple of apes.
Nobody in charge of a country at war should be seen in a suit until it is over.
No, they are all clowns. They are all very unserious people who like to cosplay as serious people. They are clowns to be laughed at, mocked, and derided.
Not one iota. It's the sort of tactic when someone sidelines an argument by harping on tone of voice or some semantic decoy. Just this time, it was dress.
The suit question from Marjorie Taylor Greene's boyfriend was staged to set the tone for the rest of the planned attack by Trump and Vance.
Nope
Zelensky should do a photo op in a beige suit, a'la Obama. To hell with these people.
tan. It was a tan suit.
I'm not sure I appreciate the difference between tan and beige. Or camel. Taupe. Mushroom. Sand. Omfg.
Of course not. And to all those who are bitching about Zelensky’s clothes: Stop telling yourselves that—as Americans—you love authenticity, you think the Indiana Jones bomber jacket is quintessentially American, you think Americanism is about not standing on ceremony, blah blah blah.
I have a feeling they would either use some other non-argument against him, or tried to spin him wearing a suit as trying to get favors out from Trump with his attire.
Well put. Well put.
No, they would not. A suit has nothing to do with Zelenskyy’s integrity, which is what the bros were pretending to suggest. That reporter’s irrelevant interrogation was an attempt to insult and diminish Zelenskyy’s mastery of self, and demean the proceedings with grade-school bully-speak
I was once fired and the HR guy spent ten minutes complaining about the length of my hair. Guess it was therapeutic for him.
Nope
Yes I think it would actually because the right wing always critiques in full honesty & good-faith 🤣
Nope.
