I'd rather deal with "you could have been aborted!" people than pro-choice NPR liberals. At least the former are honest about seeing us as commodities and not giving AF what happens to us in adoption. The latter are the same but smarmy disingenuous hypocrites about it. 🥚
I believe in choice. One never knows what the woman is going through. It is about the baby, but also about the mother. And sometimes a woman carrying a child through life means she will die, or be reminded daily of her rapist or bring a child into this world with major disabilities.
I’m a pro-choice NPR liberal. I’m not a disingenuous hypocrite about anything.
It all goes away if you believe in reincarnation.
If it's true I'm whooping some people's asses in my future incarnation lol.
Well, I’m a pro-choice NPR liberal, maybe more progressive these days. Ppl who know me might describe me as bitchy, but not anything on your list. That said, I’ve been making blanket stmts abt privileged yt men for years, w/o regret, so I kinda get you anyway. Hope it gets better.✌🏾
Pro choice means fewer unplanned pregnancies and, therefore, fewer children put into the system. How are you making pro choice an enemy?
That's true and also most liberals want more adoption, which requires unplanned pregnancies and poor mothers unable to care for them. The forced birthers are honest about it while pro-choice people pretend that isn't so.
Liberals want fewer unplanned pregnancies to occur, as well as greater access to abortion. The result would be fewer children born. Fewer children born, and the parents of the children having planned their pregnancies, means fewer kids in the system. We don't want more births.
I agree but you also love adoption. Difference is you pretend not to understand it requires unplanned pregnancies and people lacking means to keep the babies. Anti-choicers are at least honest about that. And my post was for adopted people, not you.
You're misunderstanding the liberal agenda. We don't want a higher total number of adoptions. We want a higher percentage of kids in the system to get adopted, but an overall lower number of kids in the system. Trust me on this. There's no dishonesty about it
No I do not misunderstand it all. I am not aware of any liberal opposition to the private infant adoption industry. Liberals adopt infants too. Anyway this is an Adoptees of Bluesky conversation. 🥚
As a progressive voter, these folks always surprise me. Like being blocked by "LGBTQ+ Ally 🇨🇦 Grandmother" for speaking out against plenary adoption as human trafficking... what the heck? 🥚
Also, your "observe...without comment" reply made me laugh out loud hard. 💀 🤣 🙌
Ty!
Her story is so nuanced. "My daughter sent her daughter to 18 years of sleep-away camp. She came home with friends!" 💔 🥚
I'm just gobsmacked she's admitting all this. You're an AP and you aren't embarrassed that your family wasn't good enough to raise your grandchild in? It's just more proof adoption has fuck all to do with child safety.
"During which time, I may or may not have operated a state funded sleep away-camp of my own." 😬 😮 🥚 Like what???
Yep, I can see why the girl "chose" relinquishment and it breaks my heart for her. I also doubt the now-adult adoptee spends much time with them. Generally, bio families tend to overstate the relationships they have with returning adoptees. A card twice a year is "she's part of the family now!" 🥚
Plus, there’s a reason adoptees go looking. It’s because there are holes to fill that being given away created.
I think she's used to receiving praise for selfless acts of saviourism. Probably very surprised to find her usual shtick didn't land with adoptees. Adopting after the adoptee aged out of state funded care is very telling. 🥚
As is her relinquishing a child while in FC. Wonder if there were "living expenses" involved in that.
Did she confirm which daughter relinquished the baby? It wasn't clear to me if it was the foster daughter or the bio daughter. Both are a yikes and a critique of her character but for different reasons.
Oh, and she would be describing the child as her granddaughter if she was bio.
Assuming it's the adoptee because someone like her would likely press a bio daughter in HS to get an abortion over giving away a grandchild or being a teen mom.
what’s your evidence that pro-choice NPR liberals don’t give AF what happens to you in adoption.
...or that they're all the same, in lock-step.
what
So you vote for them, eh? The moral choice. Are we really all such stereotypes in your universe? That shit skews your thinking.
I was pro-choice before you were born. Because of what happened to my unmarried mother in 1968.
🫂. It looks like a hard place to be.
5 adoptions throughout my family. We love every one of our family’s adopted children…who btw are now all adults.
Has your family put up children for adoption? If you've not experienced the loss through it you only know the gain.
We certainly consider it our gain.
The adoptees may not and they may not feel safe sharing that with you. And the families who lost children so your family could gain matter too, at least to me.
They are ALL ADULTS now. They can do whatever they wish. “Safety,” I doubt, is a concern. The family that was abusing one of our kids can kiss my black ass.
My adoptive family abused me and they can rot in hell. I know not all adoptive families are like that but neither are all bio families like the one you describe. In any case adoption was neither designed nor intended to prevent child abuse. If you've got money you don't lose kids for any reason.
I agree. Adoption is was not designed to prevent child abuse. In fact, I read daily where adoptees were left to the devices of the criminally negligent
I’m not sure money has anything to do with it. There are certainly bad parents, with money, biological and adoptive who are bad at parenting.
With infant adoption it has everything to do with it. People are paying $50K+ for newborns. That's the commodification I am referring to. Foster care is increasingly going that way with people seeking to foster babies and toddlers only, planning to adopt them.
Oh I think the “industry,” is a shit show. Makes me wonder where the concentration camp, deported children and the Ukraine removed children will all end up in a world that failed to protect them.
That's what happened in his first term. Thousands of children disappeared by Betsy DeVos.
I can’t imagine the terror , or uncertainty 1 must feel to give up a child. I’m sure our adult adoptees will always have matters of concern their adopted moms have not heard. ( though each could’ve met their birth mothers. They chose not to do so) Having them in our family was definitely our gain.
Y'all sound like a great family. Adoptees can experience pain and loss even when removal from their original family was absolutely necessary and they were placed in the best circumstances.
Of course they can experience a range of emotions directly attributable to the adoption. I can only pray our adult adoptees feel like they can come to ANY of us, or find through us, any help, understanding or therapy they feel necessary. Course we are damn clannish…so there’s that
Ugh
On the other hand, the former regularly pass laws that essentially murder women.
I'm talking about adoption here.