CA is the same acreage and population as Iraq, with more areas of urban density. "Invading" literally can't happen while still having enough bodies for NY. There are ~7400ish state-level elected officials. The logistics for imprisoning more than a fraction are LOLable Etc bsky.app/profile/nick...
Do you know how much martial power was required to manage the conquered states after the Civil War? The idea the federal government is going to replace Governors or state Supreme Courts is pure applesauce
Look at 2020 to see how many armed personnel it takes to control a city block for a few hours Now multiply by all the blocks they'd need to pacify Now multiply by 3, b/c you need 24/7 coverage and soldiers still sleep Now house + feed + water + transport them all Logistics *always* wins
You think the same generals who did nation-building in Afghanistan and Iraq are going to occupy Los Angeles + NYC + Chicago + Seattle + Atlanta + Denver + DC + Minneapolis + Portland + etc etc etc? Especially after Kegseth's personnel cuts?? gtfoh
Even liberal Americans are in general very well armed And the BLM protests were generally that, PROTESTS by like... .01% of the population 1% of the population rioting is 3 million people getting violent
Idk if it's some form of mass psychosis or people never taking math in grade school or what Lunacy bsky.app/profile/secr...
They’re all armchair prognosticators who didn’t start paying attention until they got frightened
I used to have similar conversations about how stupid it was to worry about China invading the United States I think we'll notice them building ten thousand troop ships
And even if we didn't notice, we'd sure see them coming, and I doubt more than a handful would even get as far as Hawaii.
yeah And even if they make it, we've had time to reinforce the west coast, and *even if* they take the West Coast (at the cost of millions of troops) they now have to fight their way 2800 miles east while taking and holding 3 million square miles of territory
Occupied by 350 million civilians who are armed to the teeth, lol
"If every worker was staffed in the army and fleet, we'd have full employment – and nothing to eat."
Sure, until the flood of social media saying "hey there's no one at my polling place come vote harder" bsky.app/profile/dooo...
Don't need that many to make police action untenable. It's estimated ~15M people participated in the 2020 protests – that's only 4% of the country, on an issue that most never care about bsky.app/profile/koth...
They shot at people throughout Summer 2020 too, it just makes the protests larger Also... a lot of Americans have guns and would shoot back bsky.app/profile/tres...
But you can't be an above-it-all cynic defeatist when you acknowledge basic realities like this WQ bsky.app/profile/wqsa...
No. If you're going for permanent rule *and actually think it's possible* you do a slow boil like Hungary or India You don't intentionally trigger thermostatic backlash bsky.app/profile/huds...
Heck, in California, a bunch of people in yoga pants and flip-flops help off ICE for 8hrs outside of Home Depot.
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Is their argument that we would have won Afghanistan by being more sadistically murderous? Or that what didn't work there will work in a country with eight times the population and fifteen times the land? Not even thinking about the military disloyalty that would be inevitable in the ranks.
I think people underestimate how profoundly used to complete impunity American cops are. I'm sure they think they want to start shooting, but I'm sure they're deeply unprepared for anyone shooting back
There's a pretty obvious historical precedent for public opinion massively turning against the government in reaction to National Guardsmen opening fire on Americans.
There's already videos of neighborhoods driving the goons out all over
"There are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade." is still true.
And honestly, the defeatist mentality is part of why we ended up here. Dems are not the most attractive club to join. They ooze defeat and wimpiness. I say that’s as someone who has never voted for anything other than a Dem.
That's in the future, with a different strategy. On voting day all they need is a few people at each location, ICE will help with that. Plus part of the strategy might be closing some voting locations. I'm sure they have a lot of illegal ideas, they might be listed in project 2025.
I think the one reason I have for modest skepticism of your position is that I fear too many folks are too timorous to show up once bullets start flying. It's a lot easier to pacify a bunch of folks who are huddled in their homes.
I mean, youre not wrong but armed fascists in the street scare people.
they do, and that's part of their goal for sure i wrote my thread tbh because my girlfriend was getting wrecked by constant illogical doomerizing and i had simply gotten fed up with everyone doing it love is weird
I think its just because nobody expected it to get so bad so fast and are assuming the worst case scenario for everything. Im guilty of it from time to time which is why I like following you, because you bring things back to reality.
Those people shot back, planted IEDs and such. Part of the doom, I think, is Americans can't imagine themselves doing that. Especially middle-class politics-junkie types like me and most of Bluesky.
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The year is 2033. After defeating the Californian counterattack, General Big Balls moves his forces ever closer to San Francisco... There he is killed by a driverless Tesla.
Even war can't escape tech disruption.
logistics always wins! jesus christ greg the doomers has been driving me up the wall here lately.
As someone who works in shipping, I can tell you the vast majority of people think that logistics work like they do in command and conquer games. All you need to do is feed rocks into a refinery and you can spit out men and material anywhere in the world easy.
Logistics and Father Time always win!
This is assuming that the goal is actually policing. The goal is a show of force, so personnel will be in select areas at select times to keep their numbers more impressive for the media. 500 for a state, in the largest city in a few blocks downtown all at once is intimidating.
lol ok
This does assume that Americans will put up a fight and not just roll-over, but otherwise the logic is solid.
He's called up 19 states and they haven't been able to scrape two battalions together from them, it's gonna be presence patrols and posturing unless someone in the DoD tries to institute a draft to support the autogolpe or something
The other problem with this argument is the assumption that all military personnel are a monolith, and that is very much not the case.