Kamala Harris was not planning an ethnic cleansing to pave the way for golf course courses… Both sides were never the same.
Kamala Harris was not planning an ethnic cleansing to pave the way for golf course courses… Both sides were never the same.
I follow you now, I´m from Germany, but we hate #DumpTrump and support the #Democrats here.
The speaker of the #WhiteHouse said Palestinians should only move to #Egypt or #Jordania temporarily, but #DumpTrump said he wants to build a #Riviera of the #MiddleEast in #Gaza. So what shall the world believe now??? It´s #EthnicalCleansing what #TheOrangeClown plans.
Jordan and Egypt will fall after Lebanon now, so why displace people twice? Israel wants the old greater Levant, and Trump wants Suez with BiBi’s help. This is now waaaaay bigger than just gaza.
We can say things until we are blue in the face, but the cult just doesn’t care. I am convinced he could go into their homes to steal their money, kidnap their families, and they would still believe in him!
Welp, some of these comments make for some easy blocking
She's a man lol
Unless one has actual psychic powers, and I don't believe anyone does, no one can mind read what anyone is planning. The best evidence of a plan is what one DOES. She was on the ship with Biden supporting the cleanse, but it looked like Bibi Netanyahu was the captain and AIPAC was the ship's owner.
NEW: A Harris campaign organizer says senior officials ordered them to erase voters who asked about Gaza—marking emails as “no response” so they’d be removed from outreach. No engagement, no persuasion, just ignored. “The only clowns are the ones who decided to abdicate on this.”
Sorry, no excuse for them to be this gullible. Not voting at all or voting for a madman who told them out loud their plans for eradicating Gaza of Palestinians prior to the election because their email went unanswered is sheer stupidity.
Truth: Harris alienated the voters that wanted the genocide to stop. SHE, not the voters, handed to presidency to Trump. There is evidence now. So take your misplaced anger and put it where it belongs. The Democratic Party.
Give me a break. Jared literally said before the election he wanted to build condos in Gaza. 🍄rump said he wanted to “wipe them off the map”. I guess those were terms of endearment to Palestinian supporters. And you bet I’m gonna be mad at those idiots and I have PLENTY of anger to go around.
Harris had so many red lines her administration crossed. She supported the massacre 100% because she like Trump, are both owned by the Israel lobby so they will do as they are told. Just say you’re ok with genocide as long as you feel safe and comfy here at home.
And yet Netanyahu only showed support to trump, I wonder why…oh right what’s going on now is why, trump literally helping erase Gaza and the West Bank. If you didn’t vote, this is on you - own it 🤷♂️
Maybe Netanyahu knew something we didn’t? Like there was a decision made?
Nah, they didn’t even hide it so we all knew why he was supporting trump and now you can see it with your own eyes. If you didn’t vote for Harris you enabled what’s currently going on, so you should own it and be happy 😌🤷♂️
Israel interfered in our elections and you’re defending them?
How am I defending them?
We must oust from the Dem leadership the fat-cat elitist like the Obamas, Clintons, Harris, Biden, Pelosi, and replace them with honest people from the working and middle classes. It's a class war and their class is winning.
Huh? What do you think Obama did before he became president? He was raised lower middle class. So was Harris. Biden was one of the poorest people in Congress the whole time he served. He only gained a significant amount of money from a book deal and speaking engagements after being VP.
Barack Obama was the president who saw the second highest increase to his wealth coming out of office, at around 5,300 percent. How many millions did Pelosi make off of insider trading. THEY DON'T REPRESENT US, THEY REPRESENT THEIR FELLOW FAT-CATS
Pelosi can kick rocks. Congress needs to ban stock trading while in office.
Clinton, the Democratic president who was in office for two terms between 1993 and 2001, started his presidency with a net worth of $1.3 million, and after leaving office, had accumulated a wealth of $120 million, according to celebritynetworth.com.
But now they are wealthy and hang around with the wealthy. While Sanders was speaking to thousands Biden was speaking to 100 plus billionaires. Do they listen to our needs? We need universal healthcare and they mock us, we do not want our government to sponsor genocide and they call us anti-semitic
I am 100% for single payer health care. For whatever reason Bernie can never get anything passed. I'm 100% for getting rid of lobbyists, they need term limits and donation limits. And cutting the amount of time people are allowed to campaign.
We need to change up the whole system- stop allowing SuperPACs to exist, allowing corporations to donate to our politicians, allowing our elected officials to invest in the companies that they are tasked with regulating, allow more perspectives in the debates. If we really want change.
Yes not the same. Trump wants to do as you say "ethnic cleansing to pave the way..." and Biden/Harris were ok with just the ethnic cleansing or extermination of Palestinian men, women and children. The people are just as dead in both cases.
Yeah all those Nazi camps for immigrants, new Jim Crow as he fires all black ppl working in government and the end of gay rights is also just a minor thing none of you go after Trump for. So it isn't about all human rights.
But there are some wasted tax money in that County office down the street…. MAGA Morons #resist
Where are the protesters?🦗🦗 Why just the dems?
I know it's kind of a tired trope at this point but it really fits. When people play stupid games they win stupid prizes. Trump voters or voting abstainers need to take their prize.
You're right, the plan was to build a canal. Still is. But there would be more levers of power left for us to pressure her to stop if she were in power right now.
I mean, would there be? open genocide for a year, constant global protests, someone asked biden directly if the protests would change his course and he was like "nah" like, would there be more levers of power?
You're right, I'm being willfully optimistic there. Lots of other possibilities seem rosier when watching Nazis seize power in your backyard.
Yeah, slow(er) slide to fascism, or fast? regardless, the ruling class is sending the working class into fascism as punishment for going left and demanding a good life for the working class.
In some states it costs a minimum of $7.50 an hour to rent a whole human and somehow they're still mad at that.
No, she was just going to keep giving billions of dollars to the people that were conducting an ethnic cleansing.
This may answer a few questions: www.nbcnews.com/news/investi...
That's too bad - if she was planning that, I would have voted for her twice.
No, they're not. Trump is worse. But "Kamala didn't genocide as hard as Trump, so YAY DEMS!" is fucking neoliberal idiocy.
You're a pretty shitty antifascist if you can't distinguish between fascists and liberals
There is an Arab on Arab genocide in Syria (hopefully it ended now). There is an Arab-led genocide in Sudan. There is a genocide of Uyghurs in China. There is a brutal war in Gaza, but no genocide: Hamas tried but failed.
Israel is absolutely committing genocide. Denying that at this point makes you look like you are from the past or an Israeli political operative.
Claiming that Israel is committing genocide make it clear who you are. After a short (in historical terms) hiatus being that kind of a person is becoming fashionable again.
Is it opposite day? What the fuck are you on? You can't just call people Nazis for OPPOSING genocide.
1. There is no genocide in Gaza: Hamas tried but failed. 2. I didn't call anyone a Nazi. It's your racist side which loves this term.
Yes. Thank you. It is crazy so many Dems spent the year leading up to the election as Israel escalated their genocide on our dime, not pressuring Dem leaders to abandon an unpopular and horrific policy - but trying to make other Dems accept it. And now act surprised they depressed the vote.
Arabs for Trump is now Arabs for Peace. That's helpful
Should be Arabs for Stupid…
Yeah, but, she was totally unqualified for the job. What could she possibly have learned while being the VP, a Senator, or Attorney General that you couldn't learn from being on Road Rules?
When you see every neighborhood in Gaza flattened do you think "This was an obvious first step to ethnic cleansing"? Or do you think "Man they really targeted Hamas well, there must have been Hamas operatives in every building."?
She definitely thinks the latter
Yes, but she supported the continued existence of the Jewish state....which was the actual problem for some people.
I love the Jewish people, but despise the state of Israel. However, even Palestinians and Israel’s neighbours long gave up on ideas of removing settlers. All anyone really wanted was pre ‘68 borders.
You're only fooling yourself. "All anyone wanted was the Auschwitz borders; ethnic cleansing is only wrong when people want to accuse Jews of doing it (or of Trumpo of doing it for Jews)."
Kid yourself all you like. Harris kept sending bombs and money. She was owned by Israel like so many of your so-called 'representatives'. Trump is just more open about backing the genocide. Nothing will change in your country if you cannot be honest about why you ended up where you are.
Harris did that?????
... Are you trying to imply that we shouldn't trust her when she said she was going to do that? Or are you trying to play some little hair splitting game that she just said it, so that's totally different, it's okay to dedicate your campaign stance to genocide and support it as VP...?
Arab Americans for trump have changed their name. Think they realize they made a boo boo?
Oh that’s ok then if she didn’t want golf courses🤦🏻♀️ she killed babies BABIES were being sniped in the head, one of them hadn’t even been alive a day Are you ok? Harris is exactly the same with regards to Palestine Bless you tho 🤦🏻♀️
Imma need you to drop that proof. Google isn’t pulling anything up.
www.bbc.com/news/article...
US supplying weapons to Israel is evil. Putin bombed a children’s hospital. Babies starved in Yemen. Genocide in Darfur. Crickets from these people. These protests were a strategy to defeat Harris, not save Palestinians. And still they defend it.
Yes I agree. US Foreign policy is evil. Support for Israel and for Saudi Arabia is criminal. Netanyahu is a fascist war criminal & the US supplied arms to him that were used against civilians. But if you protested Harris & not Trump - you were the problem.
people should have expected more from Biden than Trump.
This would mean that the protests weren’t about the Palestinians at all, but about dividing the American electorate on the left. Few have the courage to take credit for Trump winning, only Harris losing, as if they’re not the same thing.
I wanted to know about the baby. The news also claimed hamas was beheading children and then redacted it afterwards.
I think Biden/Harris/USA policy was evil. But CLEARY the lesser evil to Trump, who your ilk gave free pass to. Trump called for finishing Palestinians off & getting rid of the ‘problem’, so please make this make sense. Provide evidence of your claim. Also Hamas killed babies & Russia does now.
They both kill Palestinians so it’s completely moot You have no argument I’m so sorry humans with souls & hearts were unable to vote for someone who was fully complicit with sniping BABIES IN THE HEAD, MULTIPLE BABIES HAD TWO SEPERATE BULLETS INSIDE THEM My good god
US backing of Israeli war crimes is evil. Where is your outrage against Russia bombing a children’s CANCER hospital? Russians also shot babies in the head. Where is your outrage? Sudan is being ravaged, MILLIONS displaced & slaughtered en mass. Where is your outrage? apnews.com/article/russ...
But what about But what about But what about Yes that’s horrific & tragic Israel destroyed ALL THE HOSPITALS NOT JUST ONE, they destroyed the entirety of Gaza & starved people to death alongside the relentless bombing for 15 months ISRAHELL left 20 premature babies to die alone in hospital
Is that all good with you Abandoning premature babies to die alone……… Anymore comments My good god 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
You are clearly a compassionate & kind person. But you were tricked and used by Israeli hardliners & now they will drive Palestinians from their home in Gaza & the West Bank. Palestinians in Gaza WARNED you to vote Harris. www.al-monitor.com/originals/20...
Israel has been planning that for a long time. We weren’t tricked, we just couldn’t support someone who was okay with genocide.
And yet you did. Congratulations.
Nope. Not me. That’d be Dem voters.
Harris is pro genocide. What makes you think she wouldn't endorse ethnic cleansing in the west bank?? This is delusional
If they both were the problem (which I agree with) why protest only Harris? Where were the protests demanding Trump save Palestinians? Where is the outrage, protests against the Saudis & America for Yemen where 85,000 children were killed? www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/1...
Omfg Harris was committing genocide when you had the vote…… as I keep saying people obviously couldn’t vote for someone who is currently KILLING BABIES you seem to just ignore that part What can’t you comprehend, killing babies is a red line, killing any civilians is a red line 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Where is your redline now? Where was your redline for US policy that provided the bombs and weapons to Saudis who murdered even more babies in Yemen? Where was your protest against Trump calling for genocide? You were used. Your blind outage & compassion has given Israeli fascists their dream.
I’ve no idea what you’re talking about You casually dismiss slaughtered babies, how can I have a conversation with someone who does that Please go away
I’ve been consistent that US policy is evil. You abandoned Gaza to Trump. And now Netanyahu cannot contain his glee. Gloating next to Trump as he announces the war crimes he called for repeatedly during the campaign. You ignored the voices in Gaza warning Trump was worse.
Calling them “Exactly the same” when Trump announced he wants to clear out all Palestinians (while standing next to Netanyahu) is fucking WILD.
And Harris would have stood back and done nothing while Netanyahu continued with his ethnic cleansing plans.
Correct
It's fucking wild that liberals think there's a tangible difference between doing something with fake apologia and doing something with your full chest when you're still doing the same thing. www.democracynow.org/2024/8/30/ha...
All liberals are looking for the the facade of "decency" so they can feel righteous about supporting monsters
Exactly the same on Medicare and exactly the same on funding ethnic cleansing for Israeli expansion are different things. You guys look so tone deaf and hateful arguing the people shouldn't care about genocide.
We just handed the keys to the kingdom to a fucking tyrant. A billion times worse than any democrat. He has and will destroy democracy for a generation.
I don’t give a fuck about Medicare/medicaid in this conversation as it’s irrelevant If you can’t say the U.S. policy in the Middle East sucks on both sides but aren’t “exactly the same” then you look like an idiot Unless you show me Biden saying “we will clean out Gaza & control the land ourselves
The US taking control of Gaza is a red herring. Not going to happen. The plan has been obvious for over a year that ethnic cleansing was the end goal. People who said Israel had no endgame in this were either ignorant or lying.
so um. what was biden doing since oct 5? oh right.
Both sides are following the AIPAC agenda
The Trump thing is never going to happen, total nonsense, neighbouring governments will never allow it. Both sides are guilty of aiding colonial atrocities against Palestinians and both deserve criticism for that.
Fair. Criticize Trump and Biden. But this post was about Kamala.
Yeah i wouldn’t single her out for decades of bipartisan foreign policy failure, it goes far deeper than any one person, but she also didn’t really offer anything very hopeful in opposition to what was happening.
Well said!
Kamala could have expressed a difference of opinion if she had one, but she plainly said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden.
Harris said she would match Bidens stance.
If only she would have made her position clear oh wait
Dude you just didn't pay attention. This is my biggest critique of liberals you hear the rhetoric and you don't look at the policy positions. You were not critical of a corrupted Admin and party.
I’ve also seen her express empathy in a way that DT is literally incapable of and JB refused to do when it came to Gaza. It’s easy to cherry-pick articles about her to fit contradictory narratives (see below). I’d take her over the other two options ANY day. m.jpost.com/opinion/arti...
This is exactly what I'm accusing you of. You hear the rhetoric and you ignore the policy position. One is a pretty speech meant to manipulate you the other is their stated intentions. You're supposed to be critical of parties/candidates it is how you vet power especially when they're breaking laws.
To be specific they are in violation of our human rights laws which prevent us from funding a nation state that is committing war crimes.
Great. Since she was never president, we have to assume this statement was truthful. www.politico.com/news/2024/10...
Lol, that was one of the worst answers she could have given to that question, for so many different reasons. She was caught off-guard and missed a golden opportunity.
Or.... She was fully committed to the atrocities committed against GAZA and it's people. Caught off guard my arse
Caught off guard, yes. Definitely unprepared or bad at campaigning or anything like that.
Trump's proposal was Biden's proposal Harris literally said she agreed with Biden on everything, that her biggest difference would be putting Republicans in her cabinet
She was the sitting vice president. She couldn’t publicly trash her boss.
You do understand the wide degree of difference between trashing Biden and running to his Right
Now you have trump. You won she lost. Enjoy
"You deserve the violence happening" is a bad take. Blaming the people protesting it, rather than the people perpetrating it, is even worse
Well sometimes you are better off supporting the lesser of two evils. I didn’t make the rules just how it is. Now ur stuck having cut off your nose to spite your face.
You are still doing it
Hamas, Hezbollah, Likud, and Netanyahu are all evil. Anyone supporting them are also all evil.
I mean, I agree that the US is evil
The current President is objectively evil. At what point would you declare it? When US weapons turn Palestinians into chunky marinara?
Tf is wrong with you? I already agreed the US is evil. Stop with the fetishizing of Genocide for your gross sense of revenge
And the West Bank. There hasn’t been much restraint there in the past but now there will be none
Sometimes you need to use ur head. All u accomplished is more pain for Gaza
Well look how far ur protesting got us. You must be proud. Now the ethnic cleanse will be completed
Explain to me what the people in Palestine did to me, that I need revenge for.
It’s true though. People who sat this one out deserve every bad thing coming their way. Enjoy!
Lot of people committed to harmful takes
No one deserves what’s coming. But yes sitting it out was extremely stupid
I do not disagree. I think of all the people who could have joined the protests and chose to sit them out instead. Not too late though. See you there
I’m jumping into this, just to point out: you need a seat at the table to enact changes. Since the beginning of this country Black folks had to be pragmatic. We didn’t always have good choices, only the least painful.
So you are doing the thing you are responding to
People don’t see to realize how ugly politics is. The moral high ground doesn’t win elections and insisting on nothing but the moral high ground loses elections
Hey Jesse I just want you to know that this is the most upside down Bizarro World statement that I could imagine. You're blaming anti-genicide human rights protesters as opposed to the administration that was illegally funding a genocide. Hitler would be so proud of you.
I’m not the guy that actively helped Trump win. Actions can have unintended consequences. Don’t get mad at me for pointing out the obvious
Do campaigns have consequences? How about committing Genocide? Consequences?
You had a choice, you can hold the administration that was illegally funding genocide and Harris who committed herself to the same policy accountable for losing a winnable election or you can blame human rights protesters. Seems like you made your choice and you are both wrong and lesser for it.
Do u believe Gaza is better off since Kamala lost?
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty technically there's a tentative ceasefire right now so they are better off for the moment.
What exactly were the consequences of you actions? Do u believe your actions concerning the elections had a positive impact on what is happening in Gaza?
So you are choosing to punch Left while the Right kills you
Was talking to little bird
My vote specifically has never counted I don't live in a swing state. But even if I did I wouldn't have been able to vote for either genocidal presidential candidate. I could well lose my life under a trump, but I would rather die then sign my name to genocide screaming burnt crushed, dead children.
Protest after the election. I only outcome of protesting before the election is less Dems voting and a Trump win. That is obviously.
And yes. I hate to the Netanyahu government immensely. Part of the reason I voted for Kamala. Trump seems to be planning a complete ethnic cleanse of Gaza and probably the West Bank. If I can help prevent that by holding my nose when I vote I will hold my nose
Trump won because fewer people than last time voted. If u believe ur actions had a positive impact that’s fine. I respectfully disagree
Yes she could have. There's no rule or law against it. There's no "take backs" after the convention. JFC
If Kamala came out against Israel trump would have won by an even wider margin. Moot point either way
Says who? You? Sure, Jan LMAO
Still a moot point though. You win. Kamala isn’t president and now we have Trump. U made it clear people shouldn’t vote for her and enough people didn’t. Well played I guess
Trump won for the same reason every Republican has ever won an election: Voter Suppression
She made it clear people shouldn't vote for her. That's what campaigns are. It is a candidates job to *earn* votes. She didn't.
Like I said. U fought against Kamala and she lost. You win. I hope ur correct that Gaza will be better off with Kamala not in office
I made no such claim. Our point was it doesn't matter *who* is doing genocide, genocide is bad. The blue hats doing genocide are no different than the red hats doing genocide. Our "whatever it takes" doesn't include genocide. Your "whatever it takes" does. That's the line.
I didn’t make the rules. I just point out the obvious
You should be proud. You won. Kamala lost. You actions against Kamala will have a massive impact on the people of Gaza. Enjoy ur big win
Google AIPAC.
The US has far more influence over Israel than Israel has over the US
AIPAC power is mostly money. Money that went to....Kamala and Biden. Try again.
Thought everyone knew aipac supports Israel. Are you sure you follow politics?
Are you this daft on purpose? AIPAC donates money to political candidates and parties to use as leverage for favorable policy. They donated money to Biden and Kamala. Jfc
Pay attention. AIPAC supports Israel. If she came out against Israel trump would have won by an even larger percentage. This isn’t complicated.
AIPAC donated to Biden and Kamala. If she came out against Israel the donations would stop. I await the data points on your assertion. I'm sure you have it.
Yeah she was planning it for Israeli settlers - how do you think we got from 2.3 to 1.7 million Palestinians??????
And she would have worked for solutions. People who thought 🍊 wouldn’t make things worse in Gaza were deluded.
No she fully supported ISRAHELL & committed war crimes against Palestinians
OK. I guess we’ll now see how the guy whose first foreign dignitary was Israel’s corrupt leader does.
Absolutely beyond me to see how for a full year Democrats fought other Democrats because you so wanted to support genocide. And now you're acting surprised that that cost you votes. Genocide! Cost you votes! Why didn't you pressure leadership to change stances?
If you guys had just fucking listened to people who said: I like all your policies except the one for genocide; can you just not fund genocide? - We would be in office right now. But we're not. Because you people refused, REFUSED, to pressure leadership to not fund ethnic cleansing and slaughter.
www.democracynow.org/2024/8/30/ha...
I'm saying this as a Dem voter and volunteer. She did not work for solutions. She did not support doctors from Gaza speaking on a human rights abuses at the DNC, and that alone caused a group that formed to support her, Muslim women for Harris, to disband.
Did anyone who voted against Harris because of Palestine *really* think that the man who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem was going to make things better?
No one believed that. All what pro Palestinian wanted is a ceasefire. The dems never listen. Genocide Joe didn’t move a finger
You can't reason with puritans, single-issue voters or ideologues.
Ant-genocide is puritain?
Depends on how their deity feels about ants.
"But, but, Genocide Joe!!!" 7 million voters (who turned out in 2020) just stayed home in 2024. I hate all 7 million of those assholes.
Same. How could they be so blind?
It was like a wildfire of stupidity fueled by Russian disinformation. I still don’t get it.
You are right.
I do, too. They're just as guilty as people who voted GQP outright.
Agreed. It’s so fucking frustrating talking to these dip-shits. Choice A: The ability to negotiate. The prospect of political pressure actually yielding meaningful change - and an end to the genocide. Choice B: The Final Solution for Palestine. Seems glaringly obvious to me, but what do I know?
But we're "baby killers" and sUpPoRt GeNoCiDe 🤦♀️ Gee, how many *thousands* of babies, and adults, most of them black and brown, have been killed since USAID was abolished? Someone has a tracker on here somewhere.
A lot of that ‘baby killer’, ‘genocide joe’ talk was Russian disinformation, and it worked. I was getting into rage-fueled debates about liberals using the antisemitic “from the river to the sea…” mantra to show their support for Palestine. Since when have we been conflict tourists? Disheartening.
I think I've blocked the majority of people responding on this thread. I'm sure a few of them have blocked me as well. I guess I'd care about that if I weren't a misanthrope. 😁☄️
Yeah, that’s a hard one for me. I consider my self pretty ‘far-left’, but these dipshits are from another planet. Division in any situation where you are trying to find your feet (Dems) is super counter productive, but I can’t even talk to these lost-in-space assholes.
They sentenced ALL of us to death because they couldn't save everyone in Gaza. They have no room at all to call *anyone* "baby killers" or "pro-genocide."
It’s all deflection. I think they know. A lot of these people are well educated (one of these guys I was duking it out with was a lawyer). They understand the basic principles of being able to negotiate peace - but it’s easier to throw a tantrum, and rejoice in defeating the only way out… I guess?
The disturbing thing is that everyone who is anti-GQP really needs to put their differences aside and work to defeat the GQP. But since that's not going to happen, we need to work with what we have.
How about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, for supporting genocide? I assume you hate them even more right? What with the thousands upon thousands of children torn apart, shot in the head, and burned alive thanks to their unrepentant fucking evil.
Not that my opinion matters, but I think the Dems should have joined with the international community and called for Netanyahu to be tried for war crimes at the Hague. My point being deeply misguided people who sat out the election chose the Final Solution over the prospect of negotiation.
exactly, if dems and kamala would’ve talked about any solution other than saying she’s going to continue what biden was doing in gaza and support israel… but i wish people would’ve turned out for her because i think she would’ve actually listened to what the people wanted (at least more than trump)
What was happening in Gaza can’t be called anything other than genocide. And the Dems were slow walking any type of meaningful rebuke - I get it. But it was the prospect of negotiation compared to the complete erasure of the Palestinians in Gaza - and these fuckwits chose the latter.
She repeatedly stated she was going to work towards a 2 state solution. That is not the same thing as removing almost 2 million people "somewhere" to build resorts and golf courses.
yeah i just wish she would’ve expanded more& made it seem like something she was really serious about if she was. i think too many people thought she was trying to please/play both sides instead of taking a firm stance on ending it and not just for ~poor israel’s~ sake..
I agree. We have to stop sending money over there. The problems there did not start yesterday or even a few yrs ago. It can't be easily fixed. I don't see any fair solution happening unless Netanyahu gets removed. He needs to be locked up.
absolutely
Agreed.
So folks who has 35 members killed with Biden's support should not stay home because Trump might kill the 36th member of their families? It still could have happened under Biden. Did you watch anything that was happening in Gaza?
I don't know if it's a reading comprehension thing, or if you are trying to build a straw man, either way, it's frustrating. Well aware of the genocide In Gaza. My singular argument is that you've helped elect Trump, and have lost the possibility of negotiating anything, ensuring continued genocide.
I didn't elect Trump. Many voted for Harris who are against genocide. Biden wasn't negotiating. Trump has taken up a Biden policy. Biden did everything Netanyahu wanted. He tried to send the Palestinians to other countries. Those countries refused. Biden did genocide, now Trump is doing genocide.
My argument is not for or against American policy in Gaza. I am fully aware of (and firmly against) the atrocities being committed by Netanyahu. My beef is with those Americans that chose to sit out the election, and help elect Trump. My assertion being that we could possibly pressure the Dems.
I am following along with you here and I see your thesis. You are graciously engaging in good faith. I do want to understand you. The only thing is if you could "possibly pressure the Dems" why didn't you do it when Biden was doing the genocide the previous year? Why let all those people die?
I am arguing in good faith. Thanks for recognizing that. Pretty volatile and divisive subject. I didn't pressure the Dems because I'm not a lobbyist. If you're asking if I thought the American response to the genocide was wrongheaded, and if I was against that genocide, yes to both, of course.
That belief that US policy was wrong, however, doesn't make me believe that Donald "Final Solution" Trump was the appropriate alternative. And it doesn't preclude me from being a grown up. There will be zero negotiating under Trump, and a 100% chance at continued genocide.
I am really curious to know what you are thinking. I appreciate you arguing in good faith. I agree it is a pretty volatile and divisive subject. Thanks for being courageous to say what you really think & feel. I want to ask more questions but I am really tired. So I will sign off for now.
So your solution to that is putting a guy in charge who everyone knew was going to be worse for Palestinians? Your solution to their suffering is to completely erase them, Gaza and the West Bank? 😑
Apparently, yes. That was their ‘solution'. The ‘final solution’, if you will.
It makes no sense at all. And somehow, after screwing Palestinians and the rest of the world by enabling trump, they get mad if you don’t applaud them 😑 Imagine the privilege & selfishness required to play w/ people’s lives, just to send a message that you’re dissatisfied w/ the candidates 🤦♂️
No, the only ones who screwed over Palestinians were Harris and Biden, they were so fucking dedicated to their mass murder that they refused to stop backing a fucking genocide. You your fucking enemy, hate your leaders first and foremost for being evil fucking monsters who lust for child death
Oh goody, another fucking dumbass carrying water for Netanyahu and the IDF. I don’t have the energy to explain how witheringly stupid and wrong you are - you’re just going to have to try and figure that shit out on your own. Now fuck off back under your rock.
I'm not the one who supports Israel, that would be your liberal politicians who couldn't contain their lust for mass child murder enough to stop supporting a genocide. In theory (you don't have the data to back this up) losing them the election. Know your enemy, bootlicker of genocidal monsters.
Good one comrade. Putin will give you a dry pair of socks and a loaf of bread for your efforts. How are you so deeply stupid? Seriously. Take a minute of introspection. You helped elect a monster that will now annihilate the people you claim to care about. I personally don’t think you do, comrade.
I'm not Russian, I'm not American, but you're a liberal so of course you're a fucking idiot. All this time, and you still can't bring yourself to get mad at your leaders who so lusted for child death that they couldn't stop supporting genocide. You're in no position to question my introspection.
b/c you were unhappy about a candidate. Imagine enabling the worst option for Palestinians, all the while pretending you care about them. I reserve my disappointment for the nonvoters who gave us trump. Hope they’re proud of their achievement & screwing the whole world over 🤷♂️
You should watch what’s happening right now friend, it’s what nonvoters unleashed on actual humans, using them as pawns to make a silly point on how they didn’t like the candidates.Imagine being that selfish & privileged where you’re willing to screw over Palestinians & every other minority, just1/2
It's what your genocidal leaders unleashed, yet you pathetic liberals keep licking their boots. You don't attack the politicians who lust for mass child death, you attack those who call them out for it. Your soul is rotten imperialist bootlicking dogshit.
So you enabled trump? That exposes your caring about Palestine as the lie that it is🤥 You didn’t call anyone out, you simply handed the election to the worse option for Palestinians & the rest of the world.That’s why you hide your shame in insults, I use data🥹🫶 www.washingtonpost.com/news/politic...
That’s exactly what they did. Big win for them, a crushing loss for us and the people of Palestine’s hope for a negotiated peace. They’re just fucking dumb as a sack of hammers, and about as easy to talk to.
No, I didn't. Also, according to your link and logic, Harris would have won the votes she needed if she cleared the impossibly high bar of NOT SUPPORTING LITERAL GENOCIDE. Nope, her LUST FOR CHILD DEATH was too high. Here you blame the voters, never the mass child killer. Evil liberal scum.
If it's any consolation, almost all of them live in states Kamala won anyway. They definitely cost her the popular vote to be sure, but the Electoral breakdown would have been the same, except maybe she might have won Michigan. And way more than 7 million votes were illegally purged in swing states.
Yeah, you’re likely right. But I still have a lot of room for hate in my heart for them.
I'm trying really hard not to hate anyone except the oligarchs, the media outlets they own, and the politicians on both Team Shameless and Team Spineless. As for Team Senseless (the undecideds who voted for trump as well as the Uncommitted who stayed home), we must win them back one way or another.
Yeah, I begrudgingly agree with you. Division doesn’t do anyone a whole lot of good right now, but my resentment for these clowns that helped usher in this awful reality is palatable.
maybe you should be angrier at the republicans who ushered in a fascist than the people who saw dead children almost every day and decided they couldn’t support it in good conscience. The dems had 4 years to do anything and achieved nothing of substance, now we’re paying for it.
(Putin was Existential level desperate for tRump to win - his regime, & probably life, depended upon it!! Putin didN't Just 'sit back' & hoped tRump won!) musk & Putin have been developing their relationship since 2022 Please read/watch thread at bsky.app/profile/af68...
We should send soldiers to Gaza to help Palestine create a standing army to defend themselves and their souverign nation. This must end now. No one but the Palestine people have the right to enter the West Bank, part of Golan heights and Gaza. Israel must step back and remove illegal settlers.
Time for Europe to nationalize ALL Donnie's golf courses and hotels, and turn them into low-income housing; "improve" the landscape irreversibly, IMO.
The die is cast. Trump was elected and now we're ALL responsible for genocide. At least those who wouldn't vote for Harris can embrace their maintaining their liberal bona fides 🙄
Yeah, okay. Democrats lost the biggest open goal in history due to their own incompetence, and now it’s anyone’s fault but their own that this entirely predictable disaster is unfolding. Labour will be next. Useless from top to bottom.
So dems lost great. What's your endgame solution? What's the plan you have in mind now that it happened?
It’s not upto me to have a plan, I don’t even live in the US. I’m just furious that the rest of the world has to deal with the fallout of how utterly spineless and incompetent the Democrats are. It is exceedingly obvious from the outside looking in, and nigh-on everyone is going to suffer for it.
Both parties offer war & genocide that they can profit from (Congress insider trading in weapons stocks). Wages in US stagnant for 40 years as price gouging runs rampant. People voted or didn't due to the billionaire economy & ongoing genocide. We still need economic justice & end of wars.
The United States of America is not in a war. Tell Israel and Hamas to stop it. Tell Russia to stop it. What about the unrest in parts of Africa. Or is Gaza the flavor of the month?
Obama started Ukraine war with 2014 CIA coup of elected neutral government. Israel has been killing, displacing Palestinians & stealing land for 76+ years. US, France, Israel destabilize Africa to control resources. They flood Africa with weapons then say Africa needs intervention due to violence.
Oh yeah?
Will that be forthcoming with the current administration?
Did we get it? 🙃
Which is fine. They can stand on their moral high ground as the concentration camps in our country continue to kill undocumented people.
Well, you just made sure we won’t get any of that in our lifetimes, so good job.
Lol. Like it would happen under demsin our lifetime. Laughing in capitalism 😆
Right, because the only two options are perfection or hell and if we can’t have perfection then let’s just have hell 🙄
Different conversation, but go on...
Whether golf courses were part of the plan seems to me a rather minor difference in the two genocides.
So how can you be so sure🤷♀️how did you find that in her word salad? Have you watched the just released video of her entire unedited 60 minute interview and edited, I said
Exactly
that's absolutely true. at the same time, the democrats' policy was disgusting. a party leadership traduced people in the US and around the world who were standing up for human rights. that's what happened. What Trump is doing doesn't absolve the democrats' leadership. sorry.
Kamala Harris was just as willing to allow genocide to continue. Both sides are still the same. One's just louder and more obvious than the other.
The ethnic cleansing was already happening with nearly full support from the dems and people act like they were gonna be saviors.
Exactly. Biden was throwing money at them left and right, and Kamala says in an interview that she would have done nothing different than Biden, but *we're* the ones that are delusional because ... we took their word for it?
Exactly, libs are embarrassing at this point, they never gave a Fck
That's easy to see as long as one can't ignore how quickly dissent was vilified and shut down. And the entirety of history since Israel was formed.
Ok
Bibi played you.
Um. Ok.
So far, you've demonstrated no knowledge of the specifics of any arms deal. All you know is "Biden sent gunz." That's it. 78 years of arms dealing by the biggest arms dealer on the planet, and you thought this was your moment? Seriously. Bibi thanks you and those like you.
Gfy, troll coward. Not playing your shitlib games.
That's what I thought: no specifics. You don't know a damn thing, but you sure have a lot of opinions. Well done.
If you have to lie to defend your position, then your position is not worth defending. You are a child playing at being "all growed-up." Enjoy your intellectual dishonesty all by yourself in the sandbox where you piss your adult diaper, moron.
No, she wasn't. Stop trying to pretend; your own stupidity got the US into this mess.
😂 You threw all in on a candidate that never won a primary (and was last place in the only one she participated in), and prior to that, you were willing to vote for a senile octagenarian because he wasn't "Orange Man Bad!" and *my* stupidity got the US into this? Gtfoh, you prepubescent child.
Donald Trump wants to wipe out Gaza so he can build a golf resort for white millionaires ... and has canceled USAID, which will literally kill children all around the world. He has given your personal data to a Nazi-loving billionaire. Don't give me that "they're all the same" bullshit.
Biden and the Dems were already supplying the bombs that were murdering the population in Gaza. They just didn't say "golf course" so they get a pass, right? Are you really that fucking dumb?
If you'd done the bare minimum and demanded better from the party that's supposed to *represent you,* then we wouldn't be here. But that's what you shitlibs are all about: do nothing of substance, then complain when the people that pay attention turn out to be right when you lose. Fuck off, child.
Say there are three children dying in a house fire, and you can save only one of them. In protest at reality, you elect to save none of them, and instead warm your hands by the fire of your ideological purity.
Shitlibs are terrible at analogies. The apt analogy would be: There's a house fire and you clearly see the Democrats with flamethrowers shooting fire into the house. You tell them to stop, but they say "if you don't vote for us, that orange guy is coming with a wrecking ball." Fuck yourself, lib.
I provided an exact analogy for what *you* did. Not what "Democrats" did. Not what anybody else did. Sorry if it hurt your feelings; sometimes, the truth hurts.
No, you didn't. You provided a strawman that was easily dismantled. But thanks anyway.
I was talking about *your* choice and *your* decision. Could Democrats have done more on Gaza? Absolutely. Could they have prevented everything that has happened there? Absolutely not. Would taking a principled stand have got them elected? Maybe. But I'm talking about you. Not them.
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It's so cute you think she would have been anything but a more graceful messenger. She had the chance to be the "I'll prosecute them" candidate and she chose to be the "I'm speaking" candidate.
I find it insane how quickly people hear a brain fart floated by tRump & immediately turn to the left & start punching down. Since the election I heard it's the fault of the Latinos, Trans people, white women, now it's the protesters fault. Have you thought, maybe it was the Dem's fault they lost.
People attacking Biden, them conveniently shifting to Harris, because they wrongly imagined that they had direct control over the Israeli government's actions and who refused to even consider how much worse Trump would be are not "the left." Also, I've heard none of what you're claiming.
He says Gaza and yall just swing the cannon back behind you as the Nazis continue their plunder. The psyop that everyone here is way too clever for continues.
MSM elected Trump in 2016 and 2024.
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Thank you!!
But whatever the fuck she had planned there was not good either both sides are fucked.
I'll never understand how we got here ? We had 1 candidate promising TO DO "FOR" US, while the other candidate promised TO DO "TO" US ! WTH Happened ?
Racism & misogyny
Thanks to idiot progressives we have a dictator now.
THIS is why the Uncommitted movement was so idiotic. Anyone with a soul is heartbroken and angry over the plight of Gaza. But Uncommitted keeping their votes from Harris gave us the man who would purge the Gaza strip and turn it into an Israeli resort! Idealism has consequences! Act practically!
Kamala Harris only had to give up the fight to help him steal Democracy. She had a duty to the 14th Amendment on 1/6/25. Why didn't she even try? #ThereIsNoBothSides #TheBirdHas2RightWings
Still waiting for the anti-Trump protests in college campuses and in Dearborn.
Not even for a minute, and not even close.
Kamala and friend were after the huge natural gas pocket just off the coast of Gaza.
Hey Jess, could have really used your help yesterday as I was being attacked by the Unaffiliated crew on Bluesky. They still can't admit they were wrong either because they're functionally illiterate or ridiculously immature.
They have no issue with Nazi camps at Gitmo. Immigrants being hunted. The man is firing anyone black working in government and not a word from them. The man has threatened how many countries and they are fine with it. No one would be questioning them if they were speaking out about these horrors.
"They have no issue with Nazi camps at Gitmo. Immigrants being hunted. The man is firing anyone black working in government and not a word from them. The man has threatened how many countries and they are fine with it. No one would be questioning them if they were speaking out about these horrors" ?
Those who voted "in protest" against Kamala or not at all because of the country's policy toward Israel and Gaza, welcome to FAFO.
I always have the same question: if the two sides were the same (they 100% weren't), and if Harris was about to do the same thing Trump is doing (she wasn't), why not vote for Harris instead of Trump? There was an advantage to him in their already-made-up minds. I'm afraid we know what that was.
you've made up a dude to get mad at
Because some people weren't willing to vote for a candidate that endorses genocide, even if that meant not voting. Some people are willing to take on the moral stain of electing someone they know is going to do something terrible, some people aren't.
In particular, asking Muslim Americans to vote for someone who'd participated in years of sending munitions designed to kill Muslims was always a big ask. The party made a choice and it's now we are all dealing with the consequences of their choice.
Rich wanted more tax cuts Gun nuts still wanted AR15s Abortion foes didn’t care he was the devil Other religious right want a theocracy Racists want to hate
Plausible.
So sad so many people didn't realise Blue Team were doing good, acceptable genocide while Red Team would do bad, unacceptable genocide.
THIS RIGHT HERE.
Harris let Republicans on stage at the DNC, not the doctors who had served in Gaza, not the Palestinians. Anti-Zionist Holocaust survivors & other Jewish communities were ignored. rumpers totally did not vote for Harris because she was a Black, Indian, woman. For others, genocide was the issue.
Racism and misogyny…that’s the bottom line
It's beyond me how you guys are acting surprised. We run a party that largely tracks supporters of human rights. Leadership and AIPAC suddenly added a pro-genocide plank to the platform. In what fucking world would you assume that wouldn't lose you some votes?
The way you guys are whining and whining, "Why wouldn't they vote for genocide, just shut up and vote for genocide - " Do you hear yourselves? Did you honestly think ignoring that, and then screaming for a full year as people watched parents be handed their liquefied children in bags, would work out
There was a very easy middle solution. It was: the party comes together and minimally decides to stop funding genocide with our tax money. They didn't even have to say they were against it; just stop funding it. Instead Dems screamed at Dems that genocide was just part of the party platform now.
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Consume dirt nazi
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Republicans can’t win at democracy, so they decided to buy the refs and make up rules as they go. Like rich boys do.
(Putin was Existential level desperate for tRump to win - his regime, & probably life, depended upon it!! Putin didN't Just 'sit back' & hoped tRump won!) musk & Putin have been developing their relationship since 2022 Please read/watch thread at bsky.app/profile/af68...
Really? As it pertains to Israel, the executive branch is in the same side as it pertains to funding Israel with unlimited fire power. Biden did nothing to stop the destruction of Gaza. The main difference between the parties is their propaganda about how they want the public to perceive war.
No, she was just planning to keep funding the genocide. I guess it is the golf course part you find offensive.
She was still ok with the genocide!
What was hers gonna be for?
Sorry, but choosing to make things even worse for the people you claimed to care about is a mistake. It just is, whether anyone says "gotcha" or "we told you this would happen" or not. Doubling down on the same mistake, insisting it was good actually, is wrong.
Disagree 100% Our politicians have been kissing the Israeli ring for decades. Want proof? How is it orgs like AIPAC, whose sole purpose is to rep for Israel, can decide outcomes of our elections? Get pols who are not Zios "primaried" and then put a Zio politician in? What if other countries did that
There's a lot to unpack there. A "Zionist" is just a person who doesn't think the state of Israel should be ended against its people's will, or that it should be forced to stop being a refuge for Jews. As for AIPAC, it has some influence, but Christian Nationalists have MUCH much more.
A Zionist is a racist who thinks that Palestine should be wholly owned and run by Jews alone. From the river to the sea they have said, long before it became the slogan for the Palestinians. I read that in the Likud Party Platform in the 90s and knew then they were evil.
The Likud Party is not the definition of what a Zionist is. Say Likud if you mean Likud. Zionism started out as the belief that Israel should be created, but since that was achieved 80 years ago, now it just means not wanting to undo that and end the state against its people's will.
No. I didnt mean that and your twisting the definition as an apologist for the Zionists who have held the Palestinians under a brutal 75 year oppression. We are enemies and have no more to say to one another.
Agreed. Fuck all Zionist scum. i don’t need or want to hear any revisionist BS from Zionist scum. Give Palestinian back their lands or learn to live with each other in peace. But we know Zionist scum hate that idea.
There nothing in heaven and earth that could cause Palestinians to deserve such despotic leaders.
Congratulations then 🤷🏻♂️ You got what you wanted.
Voters wanted Harris to end the genocide, she basically said “no.”.l So no.. I didn’t get what i wanted. You liberals need to stop with this smug loser shit.
Never.
She killed all the Dem momentum when she shouted those Palestinians down in Detroit.
And Clinton completely ignoring the existence of Palestine also killed their momentum.
It genuinely only killed momentum for lazy, selfish and privileged people who chose to play w/ people’s lives to make a point. What’s happening belongs to nonvoters, they should own it 🤷♂️
People like you and me were always gonna vote for the Dems. That doesn’t absolve them from running a stupid fucking campaign though.
The republicans are the abusive dad that hits you and the Dem party is the enabling mom that doesn’t stand up to him. So hard to fucking watch.
That is a scary good analogy. I will reuse it, it’s such a good picture of the current situation. Why aren’t we more French when it comes to this stuff? 😢
I agree, but enabling trump won’t and didn’t solve anything. That is the main issue, by not voting people actually made it worse. We could’ve applied pressure to Harris…we can’t do anything about someone like trump. Their campaign sucked, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t the better option 🤙
You certainly are
Oh no some idiot on the internet said “Not uh you are!” - guess I’ll cry forever now. Y’all cannot help but out yourselves. Because… You’re arrogant. And annoying. You made a mistake- move on and be better- next time actually vote.
The perfect, revealing themselves as the enemy of the good. A tale as old as time.
Arab Americans should never have been asked to co-sign the extermination of their people by any party. The example you're using for their choice is cruel and deeply unkind. Both choices involve death and destruction for them - it's heartbreaking that Usians don't see this.
It's like in Minnesota politics.. do Dakota people vote for the Republicans (who signed off on the Dakota 38+2) or the DFL (who signed off on the Punitive Expedition of 1863)? Neither choice is perfect but one choice leads to more for your people (food for students, treaties upheld).
Also, the glee and gotchas from Democrats/Liberal really show that you just want Palestinians and other groups to die quietly. Whilst boosting your quality of life. I'm not sure Liberals will ever get how horrific their behaviour is. And how much we can all see it now.
So don’t come in here with your arrogance and gaslighting- you fucked up. Own it and vote next time. IF WE CAN THAT IS. Staying absent in voting has real consequences for everyone here. Now it’s hard to help other people when we can barely eat. JFC I’m so done with this morally superior bs
Plenty of time to demand perfection and proffer suitable candidates by showing up for the caucuses and primaries. 'One and done' got us where we are now.
People weren't asking for perfection - just acknowledgement of an ethnic group's humanity. I do agree that there should have been more suitable candidates offered, and I wish that the Democrats hadn't primaried people Cori Bush etc. Also, local elections matter a lot
I'm not being morally superior, I'm saying that all the glee and ire directed at a people that has watched a year long livestreamed extermination is extraordinary. Given the fact that the people were faced with a Hobson's choice that most of us didn't have to do.
I’m allowed to be angry at your stupid decision. Eventually we all need to move past but we pleaded and pleaded with you guys. Now we’re here. Fucked. We eventually need to come together and quickly but don’t act like this was a great decision that you made.
It's interesting there is no acknowledgement of the fact that the Democrats keep failing many demographics in their base. Republicans give their base what they want, and Democrats never do - AT ALL. They say "our hands are tied" "we have no power" "it's impossible" "you stupid voters"
You failed us by not voting. We can continue to dance around it but you and your ilk failed us and we’re upset. I’m not advocating “glee” but I understand anger and hurt. Absolutely we could have handled it better- but you STILL hurt the country with your decision. Good day to you- I’m done dancing
I’m angry that instead of voting for Harris who had a plan, you guys left it up to whoever. There’s protesting and then there’s smart protesting- at least with Harris you would have more avenues to pursue than you do now. Research was the enemy for a lot of people- sitting the vote out hurt us all
How is being angry at non voters me wanting Palestinians off this planet? Didn’t you guys decide that by not voting? Harris clearly outlined her plan with Gaza and it wasn’t good enough so you took the risk to let other adults take control of the wheel. We needed y’all’s support against the fäcîsm.
And next time we'll know better than to ask. Not to go full isolationist but when and if we get another chance we'll have plenty to do domestically.
Both parties offered extermination and cleansing for Palestinians and one party actually demands love for the extermination. The DNC constantly signalled from all quarters that they unequivocally support Israel no matter what. There was no push back at all towards Israel.
And so we have what we have now.. congratu-freaking-lations, you did it. You sure taught us a valuable lesson.
You're still missing the point - it not about teaching a lesson. The (DNC) whilst they had a chance to create a different outcome - they didnt'. Arab Americans and Muslims were given a Hobson's choice and that is a tragedy that they shouldn't have been subjected to.
The one on the right is so spot-on.
She wasn't planning on it because she was an active participant in the ethnic cleansing
Kick rocks.
BUT BUT JOE BIDEN,what a joke he NEVER cared about anyone in GAZA His goal all along was to build condos and golf courses on those people's land ! Miserable MENACE! 🥴🤨🤬🙍♀️
EXCUSE ME. Biden isn't in charge of this madness going on right now. So stuff it! 🙍♀️🤷♀️🤨
Ppl are idiots and ruSSia take advantage on this
It wasn't just Russia pushing that narrative. Israeli Intelligence was pushing the Genocide Joe narrative because they knew a Trump win would be to the IDF's advantage.
Yes, could be probably
Politicians don't care about genocide and AIPAC take advantage of this.
ruSSia makes trump president again
America is stupid enough to re-elect Trump on it's own.
He won first time with ruSSian help And especially second time
fbi waged a propaganda war against hillary for 40 years to get trump. ANd democrats held them above the law. That really lets us off the hook. Why shouke we take the blame when its a police state? Police take the power they should get the blame too
Sure why not
Liberals are ghouls. Not that it’s trump suddenly they pretend to care about Palestinians. These people are demons. bsky.app/profile/benn...
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Not an "open air prison" I see
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Oh, another voter-blamer. The Party forever, forever the Party?
Good point. She just allowed the slaughter and bombing.
And where are all the Gaza protestors now that things are getting even worse?
We’re still here, wdym 🤦🏻♀️
Russia stopped paying them.
Still here but now having to deal with Biden's (AIPAC's) authoritarian anti-free speech policies to suppress protests on campus. Maybe Google if you're having trouble finding something next time.
We are still to remind you that red genocide, or blue genocide is still a genocide. And that’s a deal breaker
And releasing a band of sociopaths to murder and rape civilians is still releasing a band of sociopaths to murder and rape.
Or maybe you're just prejudiced and will defend Israel no matter what. www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11...
With that I agree with you, the Israel Army has a long documented history of murdering and raping civilians … they shouldn’t be released back into the world . Not allowed in any country
Why, are you trying to go? Glad you're finally getting involved! What city are you in?
Still being loud. But no one listened before. Why should we expect anyone to listen now?
Hmmmm silence from those pro Palestinian and pro Hamas fuck sticks. Trump told them he would do this. They didn't care cuz they are just jew haters on the left. And didn't want a black woman in office cuz she wasn't "radical" enough. Didn't support their hate of Jews.
Get fucked
Does Palestine have the right to self defense now?
There is no Palestine. Gazans have the right to protect themselves from Trump. The world has an obligation to stop what Trump wants to do. Bibi put himself in a tough spot. If he irritates Trump, no aid. (My opinion) If if he goes along with Trump, the world will ( hopefully) respond. 1/2
Not sure what most Israelis think. Hopefully "negotiations" will take until Trump is out of office or better yet, dies soon.
Your bio has two Israel flags and a watermelon. Fuck off, bot.
Wow, a bot and a Fuck off. You are so mean! What will I ever do? 🇮🇱🇮🇱🍉
Lmao jesus
I will be more polite and state 1) Palestine has always existed and is recognized by 149 UN nations therefore has a right to self defense while Netanyahu is a fascist Nazi and anyone who supports him is also a fascist Nazi
Maybe an ethnic orange cleanse would've been ok.
Glad it turned out so well for all those protest voters that didn't like the Democrats policies toward Gaza and immigration. Let's not forget all those MAGAts that work for the Federal Gov't that are being let go too.
... but both were vile. As I say repeatedly, I am a Brit. Had I been allowed to vote, I'd have voted for the Dems to keep Trump out. But I'd have done so holding back the need to vomit. I guess many didn't have that strong a stomach and stayed home. THAT is why the Dems lost.
What has she done to you personally to make you nauseous? You may want to get to a doctor that sounds serious!
I said the Dems specifically. And obviously, complicity in alleged genocide.
Had a customer tell me last night he and his gf voted for the orange mess because they felt they could fight him and she was just as bad. Told him that was our last conversation
Nope. But they were too busy trying to punish her to understand that the racist muslim ban guy was never going to help the Palestinians.
Amazing how Talib & her band of Dearborn’s pro Palestinian idiots “act” as if this was all part of their “plan.” Odd how they protested the Hell out of the party & Kamala yet haven’t said peep about this Qook cruelty by Fatass. Almost as if they’re Russian paid jokesters cosplaying for Gaza🤔
That part! Elon paid them aka Russia.
I did not, because I couldn’t as a Dutch.
The people of Dearborn, Michigan cast their “protest votes “ to teach Democrats a lesson, but that strategy didn’t work out well for them!
And in doing so, they lost all sympathy Dems had for them. Let Trump level Gaza
You are correct, and the worst part is that Gaza will be dotted with luxurious Trump golf course resorts! It serves them right up!
Fucking morons
Lesson learned, I guess? 🤷♂️
Maybe they can jobs waiting tables or cleaning rooms at the Trump Plaza Strip - Gaza after he deports them.
That may be the plan:become servants for the ultra wealthy!
Has anyone ever checked Mar-a-Logo. For illegals. You can't tell me he suckered white people into being his servants. Rememer GOOD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.
He gets the okay to hire a bunch of foreigners on work visas. He advertises vacancies in tiny ads in obscure publications, then claims there aren’t enough American workers for his jobs. Typical GOP hypocrite.
Kamala is responsible for the failure of the Dems at the last election is hilarious. She tried to be Republican lite..why would people vote for that?? tens of thousands of palestinians died during Dem rule. Trying to say she would have been better for Palestinians is so disingenuous
The Democrats are always the easier target.
Decent people always are.
Third party voters did not cost her the election. No one who supports Palestine was voting for Donald Trump. Get real.
I loathe the 2 party system. I'm left of the Dem party. But there is no denying that on Election Day there was a binary choice & voting 3rd party or abstaining helped elect Trump. Period. No rationalizing or explaining will change that.
Anyone who voted for Stein or stayed home made a conscious decision that they would prefer Trump over Harris. They bought it, they can wear it.
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Lots of people supporting Palestine are not Arab. My point was don’t blame the Palestinian supporters for her loss. Data tells us that white women are largely to blame.
Them too.
You clearly haven’t looked at the numbers. It clearly contributed… And we have no way of knowing how many people stayed home because of it.
Dont promise to continue a genocide?
What clearly contributed was Harris refusing to distance herself from the horror happening in Gaza, and Biden refusing to stop funding it the entire year leading up to the election. The dems even tried to make him stop, cuz they realized it was a bad look, and he continued anyway. 🫠
hey shitass, third party voters didnt contribute to anyones loss or win, i checked the numbers and youre just blatantly lying, shame on you
Trump already admitted Elon rigged the election so we can’t actually say that.
If you didn't work to fight voter suppression & racial gerrymandering then this is what YOU chose for America. 4 million (mostly Black) voters were purged from the rolls by the Republicans for the 2024 election. Republicans have started on 2025 & the midterms already. www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_Xd...
In walks Dearborn, Michigan
Dearborn Muslims voted 3rd party and some voted for Trump. Trump won Dearborn. Kamala Harris received 2500 fewer votes than Trump.
The Left has *always* had the power to stop the Right, Republicans are a minority party. And yes, Palestinian supporters voted for Trump, these are some of them --> www.rawstory.com/trump-muslim...
No but it convinced a bunch of people to stay home
Reality is that there were 3 things happened... I'm talking about liberal voters. They voted for 3rd party. They felt discouraged to voters. They voted for the other guy.
There was literally an "Arab Americans for Trump" group! apnews.com/article/arab...
Except they did in fact one group just removed ‘for trump’ from their name after the Felon announced his plan to build a resort in Gaza. When you say “get real” it’s important to be real.
Of course they contributed to her losing. Have you not looked at the numbers? Voting third party or not at all is why we are here. Save your gaslighting.
Nationally, no. But you only have to compare the 2020 vs 2024 numbers in Dearborn, MI to see plainly that Palestinian supporters definitely shifted to Trump.
Not voting for her IS a vote for donold. We told you that, and it still hasn't sunk in yet. Maybe once the concrete is poured, it will hit you.
Think about your statement! 🧐 If “anyone” voted for a third party candidate, or voted a “write-in” or didn’t even vote…. ~ IT WAS DAMNED VOTE FOR TRUMP ~ 👆🏻 You do get that, right? 👆🏻
Except the majority of people in Dearborn. What a fucking joke
How on earth can you assert that so confidently? She lost the popular vote by less than 2M. She needed only 230k votes across WI, MI, and PA. WI 3rd party is a larger margin. MI third party larger margin. And again, many people did not vote, perhaps because of this. My point is we don't know
Dearborn, MI is worth a look. They voted 42% Trump and a mind-boggling 18% for Jill Stein. WTAF?
Shout out to the black men and women who had the lowest fascist votes in the 2024 election. 💙💙💙💙
3rd party voters and non-voters, were Trump voters.
Jut stop with the excuses. The noise you assholes made pushed down turnout. Then there’s the dipshits who flipped to vote for Trump in protest. So stop with the bullshit “it wasn’t me”. It was you and you caused all of the pain and suffering right now.
I’m sure that leftie college kids carrying genocide signs on college campuses couldn’t bring themselves to hold their collective noses and vote for Harris (whose administration supported Israeli policies)! Get it? Trump/Bibi could keep Gaza war rolling all through the election cycle and kill her.
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ara...
Not voting at all still helped Donald Trump.
No, they were voting for Jill Stein, and in a close race it’s the same damn thing.
They absolutely did
It's like you don't understand how elections work. If you stayed home or voted third party you helped get Trump elected. Full stop. This is partially on you.
~ 90 million eligible voters (20 million registered voters ) did not vote.This election was an all hands on deck election. For those who didn’t know it in November, they know now or will soon find out.
Every election cycle, we have to beg liberal leaning voters to vote. Conservatives vote the same every cycle, for the past 40 years to get abortion made illegal. They will continue to vote until they get their theocracy. We will be begging liberal to vote despite not having a perfect candidate. 🤷🏾♂️
Again: this was an all hands on deck election… meaning the fact that ANYBODY had to be begged to vote is insulting. But unlike before- it will take the MAGA cult to see the consequences of their votes. we always save them from themselves- not this time.
You’re kidding, right?Musk specifically micro campaigned by neighborhood to pro Palestinians,& conversely in PA he did the same thing targeting the pro Israeli groups there.He hired the very best propaganda manipulators & bought this election for himself,trump,& putin.The info abt it is easy to find
3rd party & non-voters absolutely did.
You seem clueless about how the numbers played out. Maybe you should try Google before you post.
3rd party and abstainers surely DiD assist.
Bullshit
Nope. Those who sat on their precious thumbs helped him “win.”
In Dearborn, MI, 18% of the vote went to Jill Stein... when they knew that a vote for Stein was actually a vote for Trump. They alone may not have cost the election, but they cost 15 electoral votes right there. www.npr.org/2025/02/06/g...
The folks who were anti-Biden & Harris called for folks not to vote for them, to vote 3rd party OR not vote. Donald Trump got fewer votes in 2024 than he did in 2020, but folks did not turn out in the same numbers for Harris. Everyone who campaigned for folks to not vote for Harris is culpable.
The problem isn’t that they voted third party it’s that they didn’t vote at all. Celebrities with large platforms said they were both corrupt and bad and turned away Kamala voters to apathy and ignorance.
Oh, but you are wrong. Voters who said they supported Palestine absolutely voted for him and many others sat it out or voted Jill (Russian stooge) Stein. The constant disruption and killer Kamala chants did their damage.
Any chance it was the actual policy of sending billions of dollars in military aid and blowing up babies and the constant reminders of unwavering support to a genocidal maniac that had any impact??
Well, now they can pat themselves on the backs as Trump carries out ethnic cleansing.
Versus Trump? Genuinely, if you “cared” about Gaza but didn’t see how not voting for Harris would impact Gaza, you’re essentially privileging your outrage over the lives of people in Gaza, who were saying they vastly preferred Harris.
Trump got around the same amount of votes he did when he lost to Biden.
Anyone who votes third party in an election that includes Trump should be ashamed of themselves
They should do the honorable thing and be in the first line to stop Trump.
I certainly believe that they did when you also estimate how many simply skipped voting entirely or didn't vote for the top spot. It was very close in several states.
It was more the people that stayed home who voted dem last time. They abosulutely cost her each swing state. In addition to the 3rd party protest votes.
That is TRUE!
Those voters opted to not choose a Presidential Candidate; 3.5 million ppl. 3 million voted for 3rd party; 23 million ppl only voted on ballot measures. Trump got less than 50% of the vote; in some Red states it's likely they gave the NO votes & 3rd parties to trump Electorally. R-71.4 D-68.8 mill
If you didn't vote or voted 3rd and convinced others to do the same is basically voting for Trump if you really want to get real.
We can do basic math, but thank you for your input.
sadly you are wrong - there are several articles of late detailing the buyers' remorse of the Dearborn Mi muslim community. Some voted for Trump, some sat out. In the election one = the other.
Hmmmm… www.cbsnews.com/news/arab-am...
Apparently you don't understand math. If you voted third party...you voted for trump.
I know several people who voted 3rd party.
I hope you read this in the tone in which it was intended. THERE WERE ONLY TWO OPTIONS. IF YOU DIDN’T VOTE FOR KAMALA, YOUR VOTE WAS FOR THE OTHER GUY. PERIOD.
Source?
Not the OP of this tangent, but 18% of voters in Dearborn, MI voted for Jill Stein. www.npr.org/2025/02/06/g...
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Well ethnic cleansing was happening under her and JB's watch.
Not even close!
Love this!! You are so right!!
Where's the outrage on the college campuses? These same students and faculty were aghast at the potential of a genocidal outcome and now he's actually spelled it out what his intentions are and crickets, nothing, nada, zilch. Bunch of lying bastards they are...it was Harris' skin color all along.
No agents provocateur
Maybe they weren’t afraid of being shot or deported under Biden bc Biden would’ve never asked the military to shoot them in the legs. He believes in free speech and not mowing down protesters. That could’ve been their first clue if they are, rightfully, afraid of those things now in Trump’s America
Tramp wouldn't hesitate to deport any Palestinian, this is why I find this entire farce so comical.
They’re arresting Puerto Ricans. Citizens… Bc they’re speaking Spanish. They don’t care about anyone who isn’t a white male. It’s outrageous and infuriating.
Wait until he unveils the ovens. The Germans underestimated Hitler's hatred and this orange moron is no different. If Amerikkka doesn't wake up soon, he'll burn the country to the ground, except Mar-a-Lardo, he needs to golf 6 days a week.
Protests were already happening before Biden stopped out.
Absolutely
If you scroll through the rest of these responses, you can see like 50 links to different protests that are happening right now. You just don't actually care about genocide, so you're not tracking it.
Why track it when its inevitable? Netenyabbadabbayahoo's intention from day 1 was to annihilate the entire Gaza Strip & Palestinians, nothing was going to deter him from that. But, the bullshit from these protesters is farcical, because now its in black & white what they're going to do. Crickets!
You all voted for it and now Canadians hate you.
32% of people voted for it. Absolutely devastating that they won, but they are outnumbered and we can take back our country from them.
Canadians don't see that happening and that's why our Prime Minister is talking to Europe to replace supply chains. I hope he can replace every single one
Smart.
I hope you do. I hope we get our security counsel privileges revoked. I hope every country places embargos on our goods.
Canadians won't buy them. The hatred is visceral and grass roots. Canceling vacations, selling American property, you have no idea what your electorate has done to what used to be your closest friends
The Australians largely think the US has lost the thread, too. But I'm hoping the shitshow there will convince us to not vote for our version of the same shitshow in our upcoming election.
I hope the lesson is learned. American idiots elected an American idiot, the population doesn't get to disown it or say" not me", it's the whole country
No. Not everyone. Just too many. We've got our share of the plonkers here too, sucked in by the Murdoch press, selfish, greedy, or racist. Not as many religious fundamentalists, but a few. Seriously we could go down the same tube. Hope Canada stays strong. We are cheering you on.
I dont think you will. And I dont think you'll have a chance for long. Hitler only needed 56 days. Trump is faster. As a european that tried to warn you: you guys done fucked up. Buckle up
Don't just blame Trump though, blame the country that thought he most represented their values
I said we can, not that we will. We couldn't even show up to stop a genocide.
i mean many americans fid show up to make sure kamala wasn't voted for. They assured that no? just that that meant the facist dictator won that promised to take everyones rights away. but Kamala wasn't voted for so: success
Couldn't have a woman of color, regardless of how smart and qualified she was, cause "gotta get the immigrants " fucking morons
The bigots who wouldn't have a woman president were already voting Trump. She lost because she alienated the only voters who would have handed her the win. She cashed her fat AIPAC check instead.
in an election we're one party is literally telling you they will install a fascist dictatorship you shouldn't waffle around and not vote. everyone who did not vote, everyone who voted third party voted for the dictatorship. that's the cold hard fact germans faced 1930
BINGO! Reap what you sow
i have a feeling i am talking to a wall that keeps saying: i know i only had to not chose facism but i couldn't bring myself to do it
every german was at fault back then for what happened after. every german is still taught how people made this possible and then looked away and let it happen.
We showed up to demand a ceasefire and also knew that was her only chance of getting elected.
Zoe, no fight with you, but tired of hearing " I didn't vote for this". That's internal, your politics don't matter to me, your country came for mine, a friend and ally, do I give a shit how each person voted? You all elected him
I say this only to say: when Canada goes to resist Trump, there is a large contingent working on the inside to dismantle his regime as well. The French resistance was instrumental in disrupting Vichy France before the allies could land.
We obviously did not all elect him. That's nonsense. Some of us did everything without our power to stop Trump and still failed. There's signs of severe foul play as well from a candidate who we know already tried to interfere with the last election.
You're not winning the rest of the world back, especially not Canada and Mexico, with "we didn't vote for him". Collectively, you did
the insanity of that finger pointing . it's all of course the biopic woman's fault. she just wasn't palatable. her foreign policy wasn't cool even though she didn't stand for facism. still not good enough. if they would at least accept they caused this
You are just missing the point entirely. We could have had ten or twenty percent more voters for Kamala and still lost. Our system is positively corrupt. The votes only significantly count in a few states, and Kamala purposely antagonized those states. Some of her staffers have admitted this.
i am from a country with many parties so i am a bit confused: you had teo people to chose from. either you didn't vote, voted for kamala or you voted for hitler. option one and three caused hitler. people seem confused why they have hitler
The two party system does its part to dissuade many people from voting. And that's in a normal year: this year so many people were forced to choose between two genocidal maniacs (one obviously more fascist than the other). This is after spending a year begging for a winnable anti-genocide candidate
you are now facing the reality of what you all collectively did. please don't diminish your choices and rather embrace the fuck up maybe learn from it
On top of that, voter repression is real. Election day is not a holiday here and many voters have to work all day and stand in line in horrible weather for the hopes that they might get to vote on time, and that's not even counting voter intimidation (which is illegal, but definitely still happens).
so it's not the fault of the millions that didn't vote or voted third party it's everyone else's fault people didn't think this was important when in fact it was? thats not reality.
At the top of the blame pile lie Trump and his voters. But Kamala has to come next. She was in the driver's seat to win easily and she chose to commit war crimes for blood money instead. 3rd party voters didn't determine the winner in any state.
Well, let me educate you on the voting hellscape that is the US. Under normal circumstances, the electoral college dissuades many people from voting because they don't live in a battleground state. This causes many people to not vote.
She planned on continuing to fund the genocide. It's all the same thing to the dead.
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I love your comments generally but honestly this seems like over pleading. The USA has been a bad actor in this situation whoever is in power. Trump is no better but unclear he’s worse on this specific issue. Destroying the USA federal agencies is another matter of course.
No, she was not planning an ethnic cleansing. But "not planning something bad" wasn't enough, obviously. She was still planning to continue enabling a genocide, which Trump is planning on finishing now.
Ok, so trump was going to win by opting out. You know this. How did sacrificing the rights of Americans and sending people to camps as a sacrifice for your opting out making you feel?
It makes me pretty angry. Especially since, despite her turning herself into a bad candidate, I voted for her. I rode 16 miles round trip on a bicycle to do so. Am I bitter? You're damn right I am. 2024 may be the last election I bother to vote in. This democracy experiment has failed.
We never were the same that’s media spin bull shit
Supporting genocide is supporting genocide no matter the reason. And the vast majority of Dem pols absolutely supported genocide.
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We told them. We told them. And we told them. They didn't listen
No. Many Democrats told you that a pro-genocide platform was disgusting and it was going to lose us votes. And it did. Everyone told you. Everyone told you to work on party unity against genocide. Everyone told you that position was hurting us. And you didn't listen.
It was no progenecide platform. That was your BS narrative. You're a disgrace to humans. We all warned you. go fuck yourself.
I didn't get the impression she any plan at all beyond sending more military aid to kill those people.
Oh do please fuck off.
So you can feel better about actually hurting these people since the worst one got power and now its also happening in the USA to. btw we were helping both not just one and BIDEN helped a ceasefire. PLEASE learn what VP's do since they can't vote unless there is a tie in congress. LEARN!
So, no plan then?
And you can’t grasp how that’s better than ethnic cleansing and seizing land to build condos?
Blinken went to the same countries to dump the remaining Palestinians. They said "no" cuz Biden had no pull. The condos are going in anyway, Trump's all about getting his name on one.
Sure bud. What I see no one mentioning is how Netenyahu is a corrupt criminal and was working backdoor deals with another criminal, 🍄rump, to hurt Biden and Harris. Seems y’all are playing right into their hands. Have a day!
Why even mention it? Netanyahu said it and says it himself. He's a known quantity, having been PM for 17 of the last 30 years.Having no other option than giving him another $30B in weapons to immediately kill people was a bad look. Impotent. Senile at best.
Great. What now? Sit around and bitch about it or recognize our common enemy, actual Nazis, and kick their ass? I know what I’m choosing. Have a day.
I know what I would have done during the Holocaust. I voted Kamala. They're doomed and I don't see what good can from losing the Dept of Education or FDA. But this business of looking some votes in the rubble of Gaza is simply disgusting.
Yes, but those people withheld their votes, in spite of the obvious consequences.
yeah, she had no plans on what to do with the ruins of the genocide her party funded.
I just want to know, where are the students protesting on college campuses now? Where are the folks who, couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Kamala bc of her being part of the Biden administration? Funny how quiet they are now.
They are afraid to protest now because they know what Dump can do to them. They only had the ballz to do it when we were a Democracy still,and we had decent humans in charge, not 👹(s).
Even last year they weren't treated well, with congress interfering in university administrations as retaliation for students' public assembly & free speech.
Because they were all just pawns to propaganda.
If you recall, the previous administration thought it was a good idea to call protesters antisemitic terrorists and call out the stormtroopers. Campuses have basically made it illegal to protest this. 🤷♂️
The Biden administration was maligning and shutting down those protests all along. The media joined in—calling all of it antisemitic. Students were suspended and expelled and blackballed. Cops arrested them and pushed them out. The protests were suppressed at every level—it’s not that easy.
And some of them are still dealing with the consequences of the initial round of protests (lawsuits, etc.).
Sorry but you don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. They chose to protest then, and rile up the negative rhetoric against Kamala, the one and only candidate who actually gave a 💩 about their plight. They encouraged others to not vote for her, and now we have someone 💯 worst!
I mean, there's an active campaign to silence them: abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...
This song is called "If Only Someone Had Told Them The Stove Was Hot", please enjoy.
But has the government silenced them? Or have they given up because now it might cost them some jail time? And I'm referring to citizens, not the students here, who could be deported.
But there are many student protestors are already in jail or in the midst of defending themselves in the courts. That's certainly taking a lot of wind out the sails of protest efforts—they are forbidden or physically prevented from returning to campus. How can they continue to protest?
These people don’t actually want protests to happen, because they cheered as Biden and other dems punished them and made it more difficult to protest by muddying the waters on antisemitism for months.
Also, there still are some protestors on campuses even in the midst of all this: www.wkar.org/wkar-news/20...
It's almost like all these people asking where the protests are don't actually care where the protests are, supported suppressing the protests, and are trying to smear the protesters by claiming they're insincere.
The consequences for the students (who are citizens) aren't (just) jail time, it's expulsion and loss of ability to earn a degree. And less personally, they risk dismantling of their alma mater (loss of federal student aid eligibility for the university, loss of academic freedom for faculty, etc.)
There was a campaign silencing them, people were being arrested & intimidated under Biden & continue to be under Trump. It isn't complicated. Most encamplments were forcibly dismantled.
They aren’t being kept from being interviewed by the news media, like they were doing during the campaign, making it seem as if Kamala would be the same as the felon.
And, agian, there are some still protesting: dailybruin.com/2025/02/05/p...
Without hearing from the pro-Palestinian students, who knows? Are any media outlets even interested in interviewing them? At least one student newspaper is actively trying to shield them by anonymizing them in past stories: www.purdueexponent.org/opinion/edit...
The government did help silence them but furthermore is Project Esther, which puts them at risk. Particularly as the majority of the protestors are Jewish, Muslim, and/or LGBTQIA+. They are targeted for many reasons. But they are still protesting. For Gaza yes but they've been at 50501 & others.
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Probably still recovering from the LAPD and NYPD kicking their teeth in.
!!!!!!! Truth cold hard TRUTH!!!!!
So very true.
I still think it was 90% trolls and bots screaming about “genocide Joe.” Nobody with the ability to do simple arithmetic would think gazans would be better off with trump as president.
A reporter recently went to Dearborn, Michigan that has a large Muslim population that voted overwhelmingly for trump and 18% for Stein. The reporter asked them if trump's announced plans for Gaza made them change their mind, they said "no". These people are stupid and misogynistic.
No you Dems were just going to ignore and act like your don’t see or hear the indigenous Palestine People there!!! And think you are moral and right🤣🤣. Time for third party that understand without justice for all #freepalestine, you get moral high horses. Asses. Who also ignore climate crisis.
And it was never, "This was the shitty choices we were given." No. You had an amazing choice and a fascist. You chose the fascist. #trumpfelon #presidentmusk #kamalaharris
LOL!! he also wrote an article called "Neocons wage action against Trump's Middle East Drive" because we all know Trump is for peace.
Need more than an obscure headline my guy
How about over 12 months of it being incredibly obvious to everyone on Earth but Liberals and Zionists
Seems like a few Russian bot accounts have made it here
This is Biden’s plan. We are talking about Harris.
Who, by her own admission, did not disagree with anything Biden did.
so now they all might be unalived and the ceasefire is gone and the people are being removed from the country and not peacefully btw including kids WHILE also happening here in the USA due to not voting for Kamala. ITS WORSE now. Worldwise worse.
So blame the Dems for pushing away voters.
Its not just dems doing it. Its people that are in the middle or even GOP members just making excuses to do so. Its a lot of people excusing not voting as well. MORE than just dems. NOW we are all in trouble and this is a worldwide issue now. Gaza, Canada, Mexico, and the list goes on.
Which Harris supported. Her plans for Gaza were exactly the same as Biden’s.
Ask the Palestinians
The Trump team is using the practice of willful infringement, a situation of knowingly violating someone else’s IP rights but proceeds anyway. This opens the door to enhanced penalties because it signals more egregious, deliberate, or reckless behavior than simple infringement
She was supporting and planning to continue ethnic cleansing though, sooooooooo
She wasn’t. She was the only one vocal about a ceasefire and a solution.
Are you drunk? When? Where? Was the solution to keep sending bombs to IOF?
The only thing she was really vocal about was that her support for Israel was unequivocal and that she would continue arming their genocide.
They have different optics, but the end result is the same. bsky.app/profile/libe...
Incorrect. Both Democrats and Republicans are 100% supportive of Israel and have no limits on what atrocities they're willing to support.
Kamala Harris would have given us more than just democracy and freedom.
I’ll never understand why people keep falling for the “both sides are just as bad!” Bullshit. No the hell they are not. I guarantee you Harris wouldn’t have tried to blame a plane crash on freaking diversity.
I wonder the same thing. I chalk most of it up to intellectual laziness. It's easier to throw one's hands up and do nothing while saying "all sides are the same" than to parse out the differences, advocate for change, or recognize that no set of policies will ever be 100% to your liking.
1/2 They aren't "just as bad" but can you really tell a Muslim American who's family has been wiped out by the weapons that Joe Biden gave them to vote for them? 50k+ dead, babies with bullets in them (you don't shoot a child in the head by accident) and America covering up their war crimes?
2/2 You can say this is where Democrats would have put their foot down, but is it? They buried the reports Israel was blocking aid to Gaza because it is illegal to give Israel money if they are doing that. This is 100% Democrats fault. They would have done the same thing but pretended it was humane
Sure, and now that they helped Trump win they are going to be second-class citizens here and they’ll never be allowed to set foot in Palestine. But they sure did own the Libs right?
Do you realize that roughly 30% of eligible voters voted for Harris, about 31% voted for Trump and 40% stayed home? Maybe if you want to actually get people to vote blaming them for Trump isn't the best strategy. This is Democrats fault, not the fault of the people who didn't vote for them.
When the ethnic cleansing and LGBTQ holocaust hits America, when the Bird Flu kills tens of millions of us and we can't get vaccines, when we lose all our basic human rights and America is nuking our allies for Trump's empire, when the global economy collapses, I hope they know they let it happen.
Hey, quick question. There was a full year of genocide where you could have pressured Dem leadership to support the majority of opinion that we should not financially support Israel's ethnic cleansing. Did you? Or did you scream at people to accept genocide... and depress voter turnout?
You let it happen. You watched a year of genocide. Instead of pushing Democratic leadership to not support genocide, you attacked people who were trying to stop genocide. And that depressed the vote. You did that. Your support for genocide did that. Your apathy and cruelty did that.
The differences are marginal both oppose universal Health care both oppose increasing the minimum wage both oppose cheap generic pharmaceuticals both oppose free education both oppose increased leave both oppose removing subsidies to the fossil fuel industry Just off the top of my head
Nor would she try to take taxpayers money to purchase Gaza.
Here let me educate you: youtu.be/s7RFKXSyjvo
I don’t think many are denying the devastation in Gaza and loss of life, but it was done by the Israeli army, not the US. Biden tried to apply pressure by halting arms sales to Israel. Trump, however, spoke of cleansing and land-grabbing, & he unfroze arms sales to Israel. Both are not the same.
lol what are you talking about? www.bbc.com/news/article...
The colonizers who bombed every school, hospital, and tent city in Gaza have openly stated that they would be unable to fight without ongoing US support. www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...
Or shut down government agencies etc for no purpose.
No but Biden would have bragged about having a new grandkid he could add to his pardon list.
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Saying a thing doesn’t make it true! Ffs, you lot are as bad as MAGAts. Tell me to “wake up sheeple” and “do your own research” and you’d be indistinguishable.
She was just actively and unwaveringly supporting the killing going on in real time at time.
100% true and you don’t hear anyone blaming any of this her
No but we knew this ...
The trick is understanding that they don’t care. They just want to draw Dems into strawman arguments and force us to defend. We must stop falling for this.
You sure? They've been flagrantly pre-selling luxury condos in Gaza for almost two years. May not have been her condos, but that admin was committed to creating the conditions for it to happen.
Sounds like bs to me.
Welp, they'll get exactly what they want because of our election. I guess the upside for the rest of the world is that we will no longer be a world power economically. He may start wars, but we won't recreate a strong economy out of it as they are destroying the lives of at least 70% of Americans
That’s why Jared Kushner was appointed Middle East envoy. Peace was not even in his peripheral vision. It was advance work for Flump Hotel Gaza. With Bibi doing the demolition for him.
Ugh, I hate when it's so obvious... except isn't the battle so Israel can have the land?
So those in Gaza care what’s built on their dead bodies? Cmon. Genocide is genocide.
Ok
Trump applies the chain saw to human kindness of the American people. Cancelling USAID is a disaster for poor souls and America‘s standing in the world. Fred from Germany
NOT NEVER
Well, with the Dems, nowhere to be seen, and when they do emerge from their fatal position, comparing themselves to some baseball guy, ya wouldn't know it.
Golf courses? How are these related again?
Has there been a single protest for Gaza since Trump was elected?
Not that I've seen
There were a few, but it's cold in a lot of places, colleges mostly started back on Jan 21, and a lot of people were suppressed. On the other hand, this week is the first week I've seen my liberal community & regular democrats out protesting against other Trump actions which we all oppose.
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Have you seen any? If so, the MSM no longer cares to cover it as they did before the election. Talk to them.
yeah, crazy how the mainstream media doesn't cover protests when it isn't convenient for them
regardless they're still happening, but it's significantly harder to protest when even under Dems they were calling in police to stop peaceful protestors and called them "antisemites" for suggesting that an ethnic cleansing was unjust
They had a clear agenda to elect trump. It will be enjoyable when they are the victims. I'm done with the MSM permanently.
They gone. So is Jill Stein and Cornel West.
yes plenty way to be informed
Yes.
I cannot like this factual post enough times
It's amazing what simple working class people are willing to go to prison for or even kill or die for when the wealthy white elitists who convince them to do so continue to live in the lap of luxury.
That and RACISM
One side (Dems) did the genocide. The other side (GOP) took advantage of the cleared land. That's the only difference.
Democrats are absolutely complicit in this. Netanyahu has been talking about doing this for 2 years. This was always the plan. Do you really think after 50k dead that this would be a bridge to far?
By failing to vote for Harris you are complicit in ethnic cleansing. You've enabled a fascist.
Bluesky needs a crying or angry button...
They try to make it look like we are all in this together as if we are co-conspirators. There is a big difference in values.
I miss her so much 💔😢
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No, she was just planning to continue selling them every weapon they needed to carry out this indiscriminate genocide. She's obviously such a lovely woman!
This is a lie
Your take is just flat-out dumb, I'm sorry, it's just stupid.
You're ok with genocide as long as your people are doing it, which makes you a POS, which makes your judgement irrelevant to me.
#2 Do you care about all genocides? You just pick and choose which genocides you care about. Are the ones with snazzy scarves your favorite?
I dont want to get into this with you because I don't think you're intelligent enough to understand. There is no ruling body that confirmed Israel was committing genocide, specifically the ICJ (International Court of Justice). Point #1
Your LGTBQIA bretheren in the US are in danger of losing their lives while you pontificate from safety in the UK. Do go on stanning for the orange tyrant.
She was just simply a collaborator in genocide and should be hung with the rest of them
Kamala had an adoring media. So yes, they weren't the same.
Have you not watched the unedited Kamala interview that CBS is getting sued for? Kamala was a wreck.
Kamala is not president!
Sure as fuck should have been. 😒
These people are talking like Kamala didn't tour the country with the spawn of Satan (cheney) and brag about his endorsement.
Where is the jumping up and down emoji? I want more than YES! YES! YES!
I'm RP all post commenting in support of Gaza for all anti-Harris people can see at least one of them. You were warned
She was going to support Israel anyways. She should come out now and openly say that she condemns Israel for its destruction in Gaza and it's approach to plan a removal of gazans
That's for damn sure!
If this is the official Democratic Party play, we're doomed.
"Both sides" journalists never believed it; they were purely corrupt. "Both sides" voters are too stupid to sustain democracy.
"Both sides" journalists were telling the truth. Egyptian diplomat has admitted that the Biden admin approached them with the exact same ethnic cleansing plan as Trump is trying to roll out now. Harris' only hope of winning was with a ceasefire. She chose her AIPAC check instead.
can you link for a source to that statement?
I love how your own source proves you lied about Biden's plan. Classic low info voter self-own.
I think you might not understand that genocide includes forcible removal of a population.
Oh? Care to elaborate? It says very clearly that Biden tried to get Egypt to participate in an ethnic cleansing. This is on top of the fact that Biden already committed an ethnic cleansing by bankrolling a genocide.
The plan was the EU's and the article said "similar" which you turned into "the exact same" which is a lie per your own source. If your point was valid why would you need to lie about it?
USA are fully complicit with the slaughter & destruction of Gaza
Anyone who voted for Harris materially opposed the ongoing genocide. Their hands are clean.
You keep telling yourself that 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Hands are not clean if you spent the full year while Israel was committing genocide yelling at other Democrats to 'accept it and hold you nose and vote' when you could have been pressuring Democratic leadership do not pursue or fund a policy of genocide.
That is about european Union states asking Egypt to take in fleeing people from Gaza. Which Egypt has always refused on the point of: This is a thread to our saftey and more over will the fleeing people never allowed back thus allowing israel to ehtnically cleanse. The European Union asked
this since People had no place to flee to in Gaza.
That's naive to believe that the same guy who killed hundreds of thousands and absolutely leveled Gaza and vetoed every UN action against Israel and defied international courts to protect a war criminal wants to move Palestinians to Egypt "for their safety."
which guy of the european union? we have many member states with many leaders. my statement was about the europeans union. i am confused
It clearly says Biden administration, so not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose or not. It also talks about European allies, but that's outside the scope of what we're talking about here
and european countries. that's in the screenshot and that's what i commented on clearly stating: european states asked egypt throughout to take refugees in and open the borders for them
I see that. And you also see that it says the Biden administration floated a similar proposal as Trump several times. But Biden was smart enough to do this in secret. We're talking about the US here; we could have a separate discussion about European powers and their culpability in the genocide too
They don't care. It was never about Palestine.
Most of those who used Gaza as a shield should be ashamed because they weren't voting for Kamala any way. I'm a progressive, but the status quo was the only acceptable outcome of the last election, not ruination.
You are not a progressive. Progressives are anti-war, anti-racist, anti-capitalist. You appear to be none of those things. youtu.be/s7RFKXSyjvo
I guess you can lump me in with Bernie, AOC and the rest of the Congressional Progressive Caucus that supported Harris. You get on the bus going your way even if it doesn't stop at your exact destination.
Just like how it isn't about innocent fetuses.
Hearing “both sides” is annoying asf, but it’s a useful tool. It tells you the person is uninformed, unserious, and not worth your time.
But claiming that genocide protesters don't understand the difference between the parties, rather than are trying to hold their own party accountable, also a good sign that person is uninformed and unserious. And it's honestly really disappointing to see Jess doing it.
Let’s not pretend your protest vote didn’t help bring Trump into power. And as for your disappointment in Jess, I’m sure she’ll survive, unlike the consequences of your both-siding. Frankly, we’re all disappointed in you.
Neither was Joe by the way.
Talk ab using no effort to disseminate info, or they're lying to themselves b/c they voted for DT. To still be suggesting "both sides are the same," is lazy, and convenient thinking, & we're so past that
Defending a woman who met with Netenhahu in a private meeting after his speech to Congress, wasn't planning an Ethnic cleansing after being involved for 15 months in the Genocide & Ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people & said that she would continue to support Israel in said Genocide. JFC 🤦
America has instigated Coups in other countries, has illegally invaded other countries & has murdered 4.5 plus million people in other countries for DECADES. It's been a two headed snake for decades. Do you really want to keep embarrassing yourself?
See, if you cared about the things you just listed, you'd also oppose genocide in Gaza. If you knew anything about the protesters, you would realize they also oppose other ethnic cleansing and human rights abuses. But you don't...because you don't actually care. You just want to spread inaction.
Sorry but your post makes absolutely no sense. I do strongly oppose the Genocide in Gaza. If you look at my timeline, you would see that .
if not ethnic cleansing, I'm curios how you would describe the actions of the Israeli miliary in Gaza over the last 2 years
Remember the way it started. Men, women, and babies were brutalized in front of their families. Women were raped. They kidnapped a baby. Biden certainly wasn't in on some secret thing to commit genocide. If not for him there would have been no food, medicine, or fuel for Gaza.
I understand how it started, and what you've described is also exactly what the Israeli military has done.
I apologize for the lecture.
no need at all Keep fighting, we need it!
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I reread your original post, and you're right. The Israeli military did do that.
But notice there are no longer protests and there won’t likely be.
as there are ongoing protests, no, i have not noticed.
There are none on my campus. None that I know on any other campus in my state.
you may be surprised that events happen outside of your campus and state www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9h...
My point was simply that the protests were very active in our state last spring. All of that energy has disappeared. I'm sure our state is not unusual.
and my point is that making a blanket statement such as "But notice there are no longer protests and there won’t likely be" is simply false.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a million students shutting down the country right now.
Absolutely, and I did not mean to be snarky, you are correct that the energy they had during the election is not there now, when we need it the most
We agree. I'm sorry if I have been cranky.
On my campus, the work is mostly grad students striking (I supported them), and now our student Senate fighting for a living base hourly wage for student workers (I support them).
Okay, I notice the protests have largely disappeared.
Because there's a coup going on in our country. What kind of argument is this? Should we still be protesting against something we can't stop and let Shitler have his way with our country?
Tesla stock is falling. Let's bankrupt that bastard.
THIS!!
The vice presidency is largely a symbolic role with little influence or power. Just saying for those who missed the civics class.
Exactly - he clearly stated this is what he wanted to do. People voted for him anyway.
Harris would have Fracked the future And bombed Gaza Trump will Frack it harder Nuclear winter is coming America sings glory to bombs bursting in air
traded joy for a lower price of eggs, and got neither. American white supremacist nationalists showing their intellect.
She didn’t want to stop the genocide, just because she didn’t openly say she wanted to redevelop it, doesn’t mean her thoughts on Gaza weren’t every bit as evil.
Idiot
Projection.
Bootlicker
this.
There are a ton of MAGA trolls on BlueSky, posing as Gaza protesters in an attempt to drive a wedge within the Democratic Party. Make no mistake, they couldn't care less about Gaza. You can tell because they don't ever criticize tRump. They're just here to be divisive.
I’ve honestly never seen Gaza protestors criticize Trump on here or TikTok. I guess they assumed Trump was a lost cause and never even talk about him.
Never seen it either. I get the distinct impression never voting for the national left is way more important to them than the eradication of Palestine
These aren't MAGAts. These are nihilistic leftist twatwaffles. People shouldn't get it twisted or act like they don't represent the leftist version of fascism. They have their own groupthink, rigidity & obiescense to dogma that would make MAGA proud.
Exactly this. Notice they NEVER criticize trump, who actually promises to eradicate Palestine. So weird, right?
Not just maga, but Russian trolls as well, both state and paid. Stay frosty.
Amen to that
Vice President Harris was in office while the genocide occurred in Gaza. Period. End of story.
It takes life experience and maturity to accept that sometimes the best choice is lesser evil in a corrupt evil system. Outcome matters. Failing to choose doesn't make one principled, just a coward afraid to look at one's own shadow. When good people refuse ugly work, bad people fill the vacuum.
And republicans will be responsible for death-just like the Germans for the holocaust. The difference is the target population. It’s going to get worse and no one felt this disempowered, discriminated against, and afraid when trump wasn’t in office. Theres no justice for all, just who he decides”
I say this as a Democratic voter and volunteer. It takes a keen form of narcissistic self-centeredness, sociopathic apathy, privilege, and stupidity to argue that running on a pro-genocide platform should not depress voter turnout.
As someone who also held my nose and voted D, and volunteered in the past, in NO way am I saying the DNC is blameless. Horrible decisions (Cheney? Really?). But voting is playing the hand you are dealt. You can be realistic about that while also calling out the casino as corrupt.
I also say this as a democratic voter and volunteer. Saying "Trump promised to be worse" DOES NOT MEAN we're condoning that. I called Israel's response genocide around this time last year. Now I'm being called a "shit Lib" by my allies for saying, "Trump promised to be worse than Biden/Harris"
This binary infighting while we ALL lose our rights and freedoms is tedious, and I'm convinced it's astroturfed to hell anymore. Simple divide and conquer from the billionaire class.
You can talk about damage mitigation and lesser evil all day, but at some point, you're just turning people's stomachs when you're claiming to be the party of human rights and you clearly sacrifice certain groups when it's politically expedient. That turns people off and depressed turnout.
Muslims were trending Republican anyway, like they did before 9/11, now based on their shared animosity towards LGBTQ people. michiganadvance.com/2023/10/03/h...
I don't claim to be a party of anything. I'm not a DNC muckety-muck, and my one stab at getting involved with them led to quitting in disgust. Obviously the DNC is corrupt and lying and uses groups for political purposes. But we, as voters, have to play the hand we are dealt as best as we can.
I can't imagine having the ability to write such a coherent post yet completely miss how it's just blaming the American electorate for the DNC fuck-up and subsequent loss.
DNC is also to blame. In the current state of politics, it was on them to sell their product. They failed miserably because they product sucked and they're shitty salespeople. But we're not customers, we're citizens, and have a moral responsibility to act as such. That post was to voters, not DNC.
Anyway just keep blaming the American people instead of the system and the politics that prop it up.
It takes moral vacuity to make that judgement. You are consciously pretending 60,000 civilians weren’t slaughtered with our munitions and our enthusiastic support. Evil is evil. you just don’t gave the fucking character to own it in yourself. BlueMAGa IS RedMAGA, just with more dishonest marketing.
This is a trolley problem. I have never pretended we didn't slaughter civilians. There was no magic third choice on the table that doesn't end in slaughtering the innocent, it's a matter of degree. I want that choice too, but it's a generational work. In the mean time we still have to vote.
nah. dems needed to deal with reality. they refused. blame dems for stagnating and eating it for the rich. tired of dems and libs blaming voters for refusal to court voters.
Plenty to blame the dems for too - neoliberalism, throwing the working class under the bus, performative use of minorities, Gaza, regulatory capture, corruption - I hope they learned their lesson but I doubt it. But the only person you can control is you. Those who didn't vote are also the problem
Everyone needed to hit a third uncontrolled party
Everyone also needs a pony, but I don't think either are likely to happen. Takeover of the existing party is probably a lot more feasible in our voting system.
What? Dems? They littery quit if people support more left-wing leaders. Dems are also paid for by the 1% and will never progress or evolve. They are the second right wing party, the one that does practically the same thing as the republican party used to, and does nothing to stop the Republicans.
I'm v tired of "they will change if we vote for them". And "They are the only way to stop" That shit doesn't fly bc dems don't do shit.
The false equivalencies were outrageous. Truly. I know I 100% didn’t vote for any of this. I voted for HRC, Biden and Harris. I also voted blue down the line. Those that didn’t have some part, large or small, in this. Including SCOTUS.
What was the goal of her administation when it was planning and executing ethnic cleansing then? And why would this goal be more legitimate than golf courses? I'm actually glad that Trump is taking down the US. Most of the world is.
No, Kamala Harris was planning to give Netanyahu all the weapons he needed to do the ethnic cleansing himself. Yes, Trump is infinitely worse. But why would that be a good enough reason to vote for a candidate who funds genocide? Americans have done that for 60 years. That's why Gaza is rubble 😞
If you feel they’re the same on the matter then it shouldn’t be a deciding factor in who to vote for. Was project 2025 not reason enough to vote against Trump? It’s of little real value to feel good that “at least you didn’t vote for Kamala” when now everything is going to shit
This is exactly the point. Now they take the microphones to talk about Palestine at anti-ice protests. They can’t seem to figure out how to organize and build anything on their own. All they can do is take up space and talk over others when they created this problem.
I must have misunderstood. Did you just say that pro-Palestine protesters "created the problem"? Because I'm pretty sure that "the problem" is Israel's genocide. And it was started, and continued, by Israel. Netanyahu has lost cabinet members because they thought he wanted peace. Google it.
You misunderstood everything.
Because you can prevent the one who is, in your words, infinitely worse. The explanation is right there. We could’ve prevented *some* of the bad things, but now they’re making it illegal for trans people to exist and mandating that they go to men’s prisons. Is preventing rape a good enough “why?”
So you're saying that people should vote for a candidate who supports genocide (Harris) because it is in their own personal interest to do so? For the record: if I'd been able to vote in the US election I would have voted for Harris. But I can't condemn people who refuse to support genocide.
Nah. Both sides were complicit in this situation. Biden/Harris could have done so much to stop it, or at least fuck over Israel enough it'd be much more difficult. They didn't. It wasn't gold courses, but they still chose $$$ in war
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And the Muslims who chose Trump now think they made a mistake. They were trending Republican before 10/7 anyway, meeting with Mike Flynn & QAnon based on their shared animosity towards LGBTQ people.
Muslims aren't a hive mind and support who they want, but I bet Trump supporting Muslims feel like dumbassea now
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