They waited *more than an hour* to enter the Hortman home after watching Mark Hortman get shot in the doorway Unbelievably tragic & heartbreaking And, of course, they publicly congratulated themselves on a great, lifesaving police response when they’d let a lawmaker bleed out. Uvalde is everywhere
State Public Safety Commissioner Bob Jacobson said that “law enforcement did an admirable job of trying to respond and make sure they were doing their very best in this case.” State Public Safety Commissioner Bob Jacobson should be fired.
The reddest of red flags is any public safety agency that congratulates itself.
“Bruley said in an interview with the Minnesota Reformer this month that his officers were using de-escalation tactics in the pursuit of Boelter.” They’re just mocking us, y’all
Police should not have a union.
Gift link just so that people stop complaining in my mentions about the paywall (grow up and either pay for journalism or use Instapaper or something) (Or, as I say to my three year old, "you can ask in a way that is polite, funny, or in song")
use archive.ph copy the article link and paste it into the box
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I'm going to assume you're having a rough day. FWIW, I do pay for journalism. I just can't afford to subscribe to every publication that's online. Privilege takes a lot of different forms. I genuinely hope your day gets better.
yeah I don't think telling people to 'grow up' is as polite as she thinks it is it's okay to post rude, but don't be mad when people think it's rude.
lol that wasn’t the polite reply
I responded nicely to people who asked nicely! If you ever have a thread go viral, you’ll be sorry that you did
The other dynamic at play here is that this is a local story for me & is being experienced in a really particular way by locals. I agree that the story has national implications & I don’t begrudge people elsewhere wanting to talk about it, but I’m not necessarily trying to talk to them about it
But so when people who assume that the murdered lawmaker was male (which you’d assume from my post if you didn’t actually know the story) or whatever are presumptuous about not having our local story handed to them on a platter, that rankles. I did post for conversation—but maybe not with you!
Meanwhile, I've been seeing analogous comments that gender the Minnesota Secretary of State as female. (Because secretaries are female?)
Finally, I’ll note that I did provide a helpful tip here—try Instapaper to get around many paywalls; it’s great—and the very first reply is from someone who wants me to google that for them Again: viral threads are awful and there’s a reason smarter people than I mute immediately after posting
There's always this site, if you want to serve up the answer with a side of "do it yourself next time": lmgtfy2.com
i literally posted an internet archive link in the quote tweets. People need to learn these skills. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.
But why is it her responsibility to handle everyone’s ability to pay for journalism? It’s not unreasonable to complain when people do this.
One question I do have at this point—bc the revised timeline is a reminder that my assumptions about what happened are faulty Which of these happened? (1) over more than an hour, no additional law enforcement came to join the two who were holed up outside (2) a bigger group of cops waited around
And did they call for an ambulance immediately or wait until they found the bodies?
Good question Elizabeth. I read the article and a dozen new questions including yours came to my mind. Apparently saving lives is of little interest to these police.
I imagine there will be an avalanche of questions based on this situation. It seriously needs congressional hearings.
very good questions
What's Instapaper?
Yeah… Also some of us can’t afford subscriptions
I try to support writers via subscriptions when I can, but I'm on a fixed income, so sometimes it just isn't in the budget, as much as I'd like it to be.
100%. Journalists deserve their paper, and in the past I’ve had subscriptions to things. I just don’t have it like that right now. I’m on disability, my dog just had to go to the vet, a lot of reasons a lot of people are poor. Not everyone has the means to “just buy a subscription”
FWIW instapaper was a sincere suggestion! (I also attempted to post a gift link but may have failed) (I also think people who have not had semi-viral posts don’t understand what an unpleasant experience it is and how an accumulation of weirdly demanding replies do feed into that)
Right, you don’t owe anyone articles, if they really wanted to they could probably find another source. I looked up instapaper, and maybe I don’t understand but it seems like an article bookmarking thing? So I’m not sure how that would help here, but I’d never heard of it before, so that’s fun
Many (not most) paywalled articles that you read through the app are fully retrieved It works best if you import the link through the app rather than your browser
Instapaper worked for me - just had to strip all the extra stuff off the URL.
I'm on disability as well. I wish I could afford a pet.
And some of us have maxed out our budget on subscriptions. We can’t buy every damn paper.
Also a solid point.
I agree with you about people crying poverty over journalism. But if you want people to *read your link you’re showing*, and it’s likely not to have easy access (like WaPo or NYT generally does, or the L.A. Times on MSN), then your first thought should be to gift-link it. That’s what I do, anyway
Eh, be creative. If it’s reported in one place, likely reported somewhere else too with free access. If not now, soon and the heads up to look for it I find helpful
I just listed a helpful hint (MSN). What’s yours?
Spicy. Agreeing with you. Be creative 😉
I have spice to spare. Help is in short supply, I’ve found.
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Nice fu to the grossly impoverished.
A Tipping app on Bluesky might be helpful.
Thanks for the gift link! Do you really mean that “grow up”? I don’t pay for right-wing outlets, but I do pay for a whole lot of independent journalism. I appreciate gift links when they come!
I really did mean “grow up” in response to replies that I read as obnoxious (rather than, say, just asking if anyone had a non-paywalled link) The “or Instapaper” was meant to convey “I don’t care if you pay for this but you are capable of solving this if you choose” but wasn’t read that way 🤷🏻♀️
(I appreciate gift links too fwiw! I would’ve posted one in the first place if I’d thought of it, although apparently my gift links from Strib don’t work anyway)
I realized as soon as I’d commented that your post went viral and was overwhelmed with obnoxious replies! Fully understand
Thanks so much. This was probably viral bc of the topic but I have also recently learned that the tipping point where social media starts being regularly a lot less fun is somewhere between 10k and 12k followers and I am now a little bit on the wrong side of it 😢 A real bummer tbh
Whoops I just followed you 😊
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Nobody can pay for ALL the papers. 🤷♀️
It still won't let me read it. Thanks for the gift attempt, though.
Sorry! I’ve failed at @startribune.com gift links before but I’m not sure why (I did it through their gift link architecture and I do subscribe)
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Hopefully other news orgs will pick it up.
A three year old? God bless you.
I just block paywall whiners now.
🎼 Thanks for the free link. I hope you feel special now Asshole.🎵
They were de-escalating by not entering a home the shooter left when they showed up?
Agree. Calling it de-escalation when the killer had already left out the back door is just gaslighting
Wouldn’t it be interesting if there was a LEO who could explain this to all of us? I can’t see any way they justify this.
No, they are just killing you. Are you still planning to fight the mafia with papers?
"Ya'll"? Really? You sure are comfortable appropriating AAVE like that...
What the fuck?
He’s a racist misogynistic troll
You missed the acceptable scolding period for y'all by approximately 175 years.
Who is this helping, genuinely
If it was a black attacker cops would have de-escalated his head off.
police? de escalation? if you believe that i have a bridge to sell you
That's because they knew they were looking for a white man with a gun. Had to give him a chance to escape.
That part
Tempting to get photos of all the cops from him on down to the officers on the scene and print up a few thousand copies to post in the area. With appropriate commentary.
Doing your best =/= doing a good job. If that is doing their best, they should've been fired long ago.
That sounds like a child's report card.
Ain’t it great that cops get participation trophies?
“…an admirable job of trying…”
"Do or do not. There is no try."
“To try to serve and do our best to protect”
Out of a cannon. At a vertical granite cliff face above a shark infested obsidian reef.
Pretty obvious the police were part of the attacks. 99% of the police are outright evil. The evidence is overwhelming.
The timeline was suspicious from the start. Blood on their hands.
Right? Now I understand why it took so long for the Hortman’s dog to make it to the vet clinic. I’m floored the first action by police wouldn’t be to tend to Mr. Hortman, the person they witnessed being shot, and then immediately find out if Melissa Hortman needed medical attention as well.
Hard not to disagree with the ACAB sentiment after reading this, especially knowing most cops hate most Democrats:
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WTF?! how am i just hearing this?
Under all the cosplay gear they’re just cowards.
We’ve seen ICE Police in action, all of them are cowards.
An hour!!! I call that group incompetence holy crap
It feels like somehow we simultaneously have a problem with over-aggressive response to minor incidents and under-aggressive response to major incidents
I did not mean this as a demonization of all cops, but to suggest that there is a pattern of incorrect training regarding use of force. I do not agree with the "all cops are malicious" sentiments in this thread.
You're a romantic
What do you mean by this?
It was a kinder way of saying “you’re naive, fuck the police.”
There are a lot of bad cops, but there are also good cops, why the generalization?
Because, clearly, those you label as good cops are providing cover for the bad cops, and that makes THEM also bad cops. One Nazi at a table of 4 us a table of 4 Nazis. IF YOU TOLERATE THE UNLAWFUL BEHAVIOR OF OTHERS IN ORDER TO PROTECT YOURSELF, YOU ARE AS UNLAWFUL AS THEY ARE. Its not difficult
I agree that purposely overlooking criminal behavior by other cops makes someone a bad cop
ACAB...
When 6 police are brutalizing, say, a mom and her three little kids in a shopping center parking lot, they can fulfill their sick power fantasies and there's 0% risk to them. The rest of the time, they're struck with abject fear at the thought of getting involved...
How can you tell which ones are the bastards and which ones aren't? (You can't because ACAB)
Thier behavior and actions
If there are good cops, why do all cops tolerate the bad ones? Google LASD gangs. And check out Copaganda by a true expert, Alec Karakatsanis. Police corruption runs deep.
Do all cops tolerate bad ones? I will look into those
Please do. The silence from good cops is deafening.
hedging criticism in "not ALL cops" is basically like doing "not ALL men", trying to earn brownie points from an invisible (right wing) constituency about something that doesnt need to be stated bc the problem is systemic & societal
I'm not trying to earn points from anyone, but to point out that generalizing about a large and diverse group is usually wrong I'm not sure what your point about men is here, but men should not be generalized as if they are a homogeneous group either (they are less so than cops, in fact)
you can, in fact, generalize about general group behavior that exists bc of systemic factors. you can ONLY generalize, bc its a general problem. it doesnt serve a meaningful purpose besides misguided self-aggrandizing to try to de-generalize the problem to make individuals feel better
which is something that mostly only conservatives care about, bc they either are or they act too dumb to understand that there can be individual exceptions to general problems and they want stipulations given for ppl who meet the bare minimum
I honestly don't care much about offending cops, they go into that job knowing many people wont like them. But making negative generalizations about people based on immutable characteristics IS offensive, as it basically insults everyone in the group regardless of their actions
youre trying to ride a high horse through a thread of people complaining about police behavior, which only continues to grow worse bc of how many ppl feel the need to DEFEND IT, and that doesnt make you more moral or discerning
I'm not riding a high horse or defending bad behavior, I am saying not to conflate corrupt cops with all cops I know there is a big problem with bad cops and entire bad departments, I am not disputing that at all, I've seen the videos
They aren’t diverse at all. They’re all cops. We all know how generalizations work, grow up.
"We all know how generalizations work" that is not clear from many of the comments here
What about this quote makes my opinion meaningless?
Nothing personal just the Jesse Singal label is suspect to say the least.
I try to follow people with a range of views, I know very little about Jesse Singal but I know he is a controversial public figure who is not the standard left winger on here I follow both AOC and a MAGA account, my follows are not endorsements
ACAB.
It's pretty simple: cops like to hurt people, but they're terrified of being hurt.
even shorter: bullies
Americans in general misapprehend risk. Afraid of things that never happen and ignore things that always do. Lack of education and manipulation by our media and our Owners does that.
Well yes. They're cowards. They like the idea of abusing protesters and POC they pull over on the side of the road. The moment there's a real threat, they shit themselves.
Yes that is what bullys do.
All cops are cowards.
Paywall
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Apparently there's a new Krispy Kreme in Fridley. Maybe that explains it.
It doesn’t seem like they’re protecting people when they act like it’s worse for a cop to get shot than a regular citizen.
Thing is, removing qualified immunity would take care of this. Suddenly they would worry about CONSEQUENCES for regular people getting hurt. It would change the math.
Eliminate qualified immunity and require all settlements against cops for excessive violence be paid out of police pension funds only, no more taxpayer money
And if a cop kills someone, even they are cleared of all wrongdoing and totally justified. .. They are no longer a cop. They don't get to kill a second erson. They are retired be aise there is too much pschplogical impact to do the job.
Don’t tell Tim Scott!
What are you talking about? Cops must obviously mow down as many civilians as necessary to feel safe. Of course, these civilians should be brown people or college students as both groups are known to be VERY scary.
Let alone a government official
Pussies like those pussie at Uvalde….
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Conservatives are drawn to positions of authority/power because they live for social dominance. Their moral framework is authority/conformity/belief in a rigid social hierarchy with a shocking capacity for cruelty against designated out-groups. Most cops are Nazis & won’t protect those on the left.
Our moral framework is based on harm reduction & fairness. Conservatives don’t give a fuck about harm reduction or fairness. Everything they do is sadistic & cruel. Conservatives should not be allowed to be part of our policing apparatus. Conservatives are unfit to lead or police.
to Serve and Protect has become to bully and to wait
But💩 ICE is successful at arresting people who are NOT criminals in the most horrific and abusive way🤬
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When a story has this many holes, I find myself reaching for the tinfoil hat drawer. Im still reeling from the magically healing ear. And, Oprah wrote the Epsein files. The illusive $1.99 gas and, was it Haitians that were eating pets and geese? The sharpie, the asylum invaders, and so much more....
This country is going straight to incompetence shit.
If the cops won’t even take a personal risk to save a fucking state legislation they are not going to save your ass. They don’t exist to protect people
And police don't prevent crime. They respond to it. Higher wages, guaranteed health care, food security, high quality childcare, housing, good schools, and addiction treatment prevent crime.
PREACH
I wish I'd thought of it. OG credit goes to @bravenewfilms.bsky.social .
that is the thing ppl need to wrap their heads around. i still hear people go "well just wait until you need them" oh? when is that? Im in my 40s dog, i never "need" them, and what are they gonna do when they show up? file a report? or kill somebody? or stand around while people bleed out?
if youre extremely lucky you'll get an individual small town cop with a sense of responsibility to help with something simple, and thats it. the best you can possibly do. they dont prevent crimes and their responses are often more harmful than any crime that was committed.
I read something once that said they don't hire beyond a certain IQ level because then it's easier to indoctrinate nastiness into them.
They fought for their right in court to discriminate against people for scoring to well on aptitude tests. I don’t know if it was IQ specifically.
@papst-ny.bsky.social
This is entirely appropriate.
Law enforcement isn’t there to protect people, they’re there to serve the state and protect property.
Cops waited around while kids were slaughtered. I wish I were surprised.
Were they influenced by their politics?
Cowards should not be in law enforcement 🤬🤬🤬
Cops are only brave when they’re facing unarmed civilians.
Yet communities spend more on LE than almost anything else. They do NOT prevent crime but seem to make many situations worse. Useless.
Almost like cops support fascism
Whut?! Texas Rules of Engagement? Wait for 10 to 1 numerical superiority and then a 48 min waiting period?
Uvalde response unit training.
Cops are bastards and cowards. All of them.
Protect and serve are not their creed anymore. It's shoot and wait and then take credit.
These are the “good guys” with guns?
The Thin Blue Whine
Houston we have a problem…
Cops will fire 100 rounds through the windshield of a car with a guy sleeping in the front seat because he yawned or something but will stand by and let children and others be massacred during actual crimes.
All cops are the cops at uvalde. They only attack people because they think everyone has to be nice to them.
All that military grade weaponry worn by cowards.
Make it rain consequences
Incompetence illustrated!
The Uvalde System 🤷🏻♂️
Shameful!
We pay cops the most, they get the largest budgets, because "terrorism" and "drug cartels" and whatever bullshit they want to make up. They are paid to go into danger. Defund the police was right on track. They deserve less money, less support, and less protections. They dont use what is given.
They are the epitome of government waste, fraud, and abuse.
They’re not even in the top ten of most dangerous jobs.
Worse, they gaslight their public. Watch as John Lang, creator of Audit the Audit, dissects this incident and how the police announcement and questions literally deflect, gaslight, and deny the reports and public of the true issue. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsZp...
Just infuriating
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Paywall to a newspaper that I’ve never read or care about
If you’ve never read or cared about the biggest local newspaper, this story might not be intended for you
Every cop is a bastard and they should all hard quit.
ACAB. Used to think it was "A lot of" Then it became "most" Now pretty clearly "ALL' as in "every fucking one"
Sad
Why are cops the biggest cowards when there’s a shooting?
"if officers were trying to save Mark Hortman’s life while protecting each other from potential shots from Boelter, the decision to not immediately enter the house is understandable." Imagine firefighters at a house on fire saying "I don't know...I think we might get hurt in there" and staying out.
Firefighters are real heroes. And man, do they not constantly whine and complain and need constant emotional soothing.
It feels ridiculous to imagine because it is ridiculous. Which is why the Supreme Court has decided the police have no specific legal duty to actually protect you. Just remember: the next time a cop tells you their job is dangerous and they deserve your respect, it isn’t actually their job.
www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/l...
Seriously... it's time to change the law and reform the police.
I mean, it might make sense to start with the guns. I don’t blame them for not wanting to enter when who knows what could be waiting. However, this is the job they signed up for.
We do not need police.
We need a police force, we don't need a militarized one
This sort of evil started *long* before the police were militarized. They don't "protect and serve" and they're not legally required to. We need to recognize that. We can replace the police with programs and organizations that will work better and do more for *all* of us. We don't need cops.
Exactly.
Completely disagree. We need investigators, sure, but we have no use for a police force. Not with technology that is faster & better & costs far less.
We need patrol men. Guys to cruise around & help people & keep an eye on stuff. We need investigators. Detectives to look into crimes & analyze evidence & clues to solve crimes. We need people that citizens can call to subdue conflict, ideally mental health professionals that know how to calm folks.
Neighborhoods can patrol themselves. We have the tools to connect instantly with each other. Detectives, absolutely, but not cops. Social workers/trauma specialist/addict specialists/mental health pros, sure. Cops are outdated & clearly do more harm than good.
Not cops. Just regular good people who can patrol and offer help to their neighbors. Sort of like neighbors but professionals like the ones you mentioned, social workers/trauma specialist/addict specialists/mental health pros, etc.
I don't want drones and robot dogs, so we can replace human bias with some corporate backdoor coding to enslave us all. I say we just fix the damn police culture and laws so we get something like every halfway decent country that cares about its citizens. Good police is actually possible.
This is adorable.
I'm not talking drones & robot dogs. That's still policing. And not AI, because yeah, f*ck AI. There are very simple community based ways to prevent crime using pre-existing tech. We do not need a police "force".
Okay I was just thrown off by your use of the word tech. Yes, making police accountable and integrated into community would go a long way. I think also though there is a larger cultural change that must precede this unfortunately, even with the right laws or structure
How do you know it’s actually possible? Police reform has been called for and attempted repeatedly since the mid 19th century. And here we are. Why would it work now?
It won't work. Policing was created to terrorize people.
1) There are countries without the same police problems. And if you think they still do ya just don’t know the half of ours. 2)Policing is actually a very decentralized thing. That makes it much easier to wipe clean and reform, tho harder to snowball change. Either way, thats kinda like saying
Who are you going to call when there’s an emergency?
What kind of emergency? Most emergencies I've been in did not require cops. Firefighters, absolutely. EMTs, yep. Cops? Absolutely not.
Assaults, fights, bullying, bank robberies, etc. If you can’t think of these and more you’re not trying.
Roofing is statistically far, far more dangerous than policing. Policing isn’t even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in America. Weird how there’s no national memorial for roofers in DC.
Fun fact: police got so butt hurt by people pointing out that their job was less dangerous than a variety of thankless blue collar jobs that the cop advocacy groups made the BLS stop reporting the incidence rates. Try looking up any law enforcement jobs: databases.usatoday.com/americas-mos...
"Law enforcement" doesn't even rank in the top 10. I think our "respect" should be reassessed.
It's also not even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs Top 25 most dangerous jobs in the United States | ISHN share.google/rkmqEwhY1i4g...
Yup. There’s a good reason nobody ever wrote a song called “Fuck the Firefighters.”
You’ll either be thrilled or disappointed to discover this song: youtu.be/7JkrJUAg8aI?... Absolute banger, absolutely scathing, absolutely justified, and absolutely not actually about the Fire Department.
Technically “911 is a Joke” by Public Enemy is a bit “fuck the firefighters/emts” but yeah, there are far less songs about shitty firefighters than police. youtu.be/JZDIitWz8Go?...
well, it includes police and its more a complaint that they dont even bother to show up here
Without comment about whether they would or not, that is how firefighters and EMTs are trained: only enter if it’s safe.
To the layperson, there is no such thing as a safe house on fire. Any house on fire is inherently unsafe, but firefighters have equipment and training and go in to rescue people. It seems all too often that police don't feel the same obligation.
The situation is the possible presence of a shooter, not a fire for which they’re trained and equipped to assess before entry.
They used a drone.
Police aren't trained and equipped for the presence of a shooter? Police are increasing armed like they're the military. If they can't come into a building with an active shooter, then maybe we should make some changes to their budget.
As someone who ran medical calls for the FD, I merely disagreed with your analogy. Also, no, regular officers are not generally equipped (depending on the jurisdiction) for an active shooter. Helmets, shields, long rifles, etc. It’s one of the reasons they have SWAT teams.
This poses the question: *Where was the SWAT team in over an hour?*
*That* is a good question.
Yeah, I don't think it's a good look for police officers to hang around outside while little kids are dying in a school because they don't have their military gear and are waiting for the SWAT team. But I suppose it's helpful to know there are lots of police officers we can't depend on.
They are definitely supposed to be trained for it.
But supposedly having guns will save us? If police “don’t feel safe” how can the public?
Can't imagine, because fire fighters live to serve and protect, but these days cops are in it for a whole bunch of other bad reasons, and way, way too often, it sure as shit ain't "to serve and protect" the general public.
But that’s not a fair comparison: firefighters are actually “run toward danger” types who do the job to help people and cops are…cops.
Exactly.
Tragic. Police like to dress up as soldiers and play with their equipment but many don’t have an ounce of the courage of real soldiers. But of course they don’t have the training. So perhaps we should stop thinking of them as such. Not all police are heroes.
Police officers : security officers who go through a 6 week correspondence course on “the law”
Police reform should include at least an associates degree on law enforcement.
I have been pulled over by a rookie who was ignorant of the law. Had to pull it up on Google.
Lol neither are all soldiers, kiddo.
But at least they have the training. We all know what happens to soldiers who runaway during war time.
This is just imaginable, they were just making sure the assassination was completed.
Cops are scared shitless of white guys with guns. They're "brave" as can be when George Floyd is lying face down or Breanna Taylor is sleeping.
Actually, Taylor is likely because they were also scared shitless. To start shooting without cause.
Interesting perspective. I'm specifically talking about Hankison, who blindly (and "bravely") fired 10 shots because he didn't give a shit about hurting anyone. bsky.app/profile/npr....
It just seems like the ultimate cowardice to me.
You think that was brave??
That's why I put it in quotes. At Uvalde, Parkland HS, and the Hortman house, those law enforcement officers were paralyzed by fear and refused to act in a timely manner. For Floyd and Taylor, they summoned their "bravery" in acting (abhorrently).
Sorry, I misinterpreted your meaning.
Most cops in the US are MAGA. That explains it all, IMO.
Wrongful death lawsuit?
Thanks.
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Cowards!
The amazing thing to me is that none of them were watching the back door, otherwise they would have known that the shooter had left. Of all the police failures, that seems the biggest.
It is absolutely mind-boggling.
It does seem like the police response to the shooting entered a dimension of "can we really say one shameful response is worse than another?"
The tactical acumen of most police starts with “lift club” and ends with “hit with club.”
Don't these people TRAIN?? Agencies have to work together, you idiots
If only there was a good guy with a gun available
Cops want to be treated like heroes, but too often refuse to do heroic things when they're the only ones who can help. Yeah, it's a safety risk. That's what makes it heroic. If you're not taking the risk, you're not going to get the respect that comes with it. Like firefighters get.
Cops in my city heroically claim more OT hours than could mathematically exist in a year. They made sure no hour went unclaimed to terrorize a taxpayer with savings.
An hour? FFS.
ACAB
This should not surprise anyone, frankly. “Those who work forces,” after all.
What did they think it was - a school?
cops are not for helping they are for terrorizing
It’s hard to read this and not consider that perhaps the police force is dirty, and happy to see some die?
the one keystone kop who rolled up on the killer wearing a trash humpers mask in his car looking sus af & failing to respond to her questions "oh ok moving on"
But good guys with guns . . .
Uvalde was travesty....but what most people forget is that the real travesty is alot of those officers were not fired. They just got transferred to other agencies.
wtf are we paying for?
Nothing surprising there. Taxpayer funded thugs with badges. FTP!
Cops are very poorly trained
The sheer incompetence is baffling. Reminds me of the Nova Scotia shooting where police were reluctant to warn people of a shooter dressed as an RCMP officer.
Just America's Largest Gang
Typical, sadly. Nowadays we think more about protecting the police than the reciprocal. Those in charge find it more politically helpful to let them standby safely while we die.
As soon as they knew there was a Democratic party member down,they decided to wait. Face it America, the rational response to the police, if you're not a white male, is to make sure they don't get to call your plates in. You may need something in 50 cal.
Police are terrified of armed dudes who don't have natural tans. But, unarmed dudes with natural tans.....
In all honestly then their risk assessment skills aren’t that far off from mine.
If you aren’t willing to risk your life for this job, you should not be at this job. That’s the whole thing about police, they are supposed to serve us and they just do this cowardly shit. It is totally normal if you don’t want to risk your life for your job, so this is not your job. But if this 1/
IS your job, you have to do the damn job you are hired for. To protect and serve, as they say on the side of their cars. Why haven’t we done anything about cowardly police like this?
They don't prevent. They don't protect. They just hork down massive shares of local public money, for what?
#Lawsuits
publicly congratulating themselves is pretty important though.
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American police have the mindset of spoiled children whose parents think they are perfect. All they ever get is praise from elected officials and a huge swath of the public, no matter what horrid things they do or say. They’re homicidal children.
Their poor kids.
And yet cops have no problem breaking down the door of the wrong house and terrorizing the occupants while they vandalize the place.
Cowards against shooters Overwhelming force against gardeners
All cops are cowards, of course they did
Catastrophe. Why are cops
They waited for a drone to come out to the scene and send it inside the house to look for the perpetrator. Not one of them wanted to get shot. This despite being an “active shooter” case where protocol required instant access to the scene. #BodyCam #CowardlyCops #Copaganda #Trumpocalypse
policing in minneapolis is *very* selective
No matter how bad they f$&k up, the cops are masters at turning any scenario into something that makes them look good, even if it’s a blatant lie. Law enforcement was one of our first tastes of government gaslighting and remains so to this day.
If this actually ends up with a court appearance do you know what the "peace officers" will say? "I was scared." It. Works. Every. Time. They are taught this. As long as you tell the judge you pee-peed in your pants while you were busting off 80 rounds into whoever done scairt you, you're home free.
Was the dog braver than the cops?
Is it any wonder our trust in police is completely eroding?!
I agree with you a million percent. Our hideously corrupt SCOTUS has ruled that police have no obligation to protect individuals from harm. One more black eye for the U. S. How many fucking eyes does the U. S. have, anyway?
We must, must, must unlearn the lie that the police are brave, kind and interested in justice.
their duty is to intimidate and control, not to save you from bleeding out
Well the good news is that the white murderer was apprehended without injury or violence, unlike EVERY.DAMN.ICE.ARREST.
I'm sure Tim and Amy will give them more money to stand around in the future.
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#ACAB
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Our brave heroes
The utter lack of a sense of responsibility is ming boggling to me. I'm a social worker and, when I'm for work, i walk with a bold sense of purpose and an understanding that if I see anyone hurt or in danger, I am obligated to use all my formal and informal training to respond and help
And I bet you're not wearing body armor or armed with multiple weapons!
"armed with only a clipboard" as we like to say
Gives bravery new meaning. Not.
Bottom line, cops are real tough guys when they are facing unarmed, innocent people. When it's an actual, armed criminal, they are a bunch of fucking cowards, just like all bullies.
Same at Parkland HS in FL. Too scared to go in,’so they just leave the people inside defenseless.
What's wrong with the police, are they not trained...
sure sounds a lot like some of the stuff said after the Guadalupe River floods too.
Cowards.
Minnesota’s Uvalde
And yet they purchase military vehicles like it helps
At the moment of truth, policemen are chickens.
It was a mystery how the shooter got away through the back door.
Pathetic.
Some of you still have the belief that cops are "helpers" and it shows. This stunk of corruption from the moment the news broke. Police ineptitude absolutely disturbing, but not surprising at all. Eventually we all have to see this is a feature and not a bug.
not being able to read the article (paywall) I believe it was known w/in 24 hours of the shootings the cops waited 1+ hour to enter. - also: we don't know that Hortman 'bled out', he may've died immediately.
Depaywalled: archive.is/sHRGY
thank you.
I was speaking of Melissa Hortman. It’s true we don’t know how quickly she died. I do not believe this timeline was previously known.
well again, I can't read the article - but I clearly remember reading 'at the time' about the 1 hour lag time.
I’m open to correction, but I really believe you are misremembering. I believe initial reports did not even make it clear that the police had arrived before the Hortmans were killed, and when that particular info was revealed a few days later, it was presented as though they entered shortly after
I may indeed be misremembering (as W. Bush once famously said). I'm not an expert in the field & it was a couple months ago, etc.
Yes, and police said they used a drone to scan through a window to view/identify Rep. Hortman. They weren't even up to the house, apparently? In an hour's time, even if you guessed (guessed!) that the gunman was inside wouldn't the house and perimeter be saturated with law enforcement?
archive.ph/sHRGY
thanks for sharing this - appreciated. - sounds as though the Boorklyn Park PD acted in contravention of their own stated procedures for an active shooter situation.....
Law enforcement already had a PR issue, but now that they have been assisting ICE with their Gestapo bullshit, they will never recover and they have no one to blame but themselves.
remember, they thought the shooter was a cop. were trying to give him time to get away
“There wasn’t a playbook for this, and I think that was clear,” said DFL Sen. Erin Maye Quade. There wasn’t a playbook for “mass shooter is on the loose”?! That’s like, one of the most common American violent crimes there is. WTF are these cops doing if not training for that specific scenario?
It’s like the fire department letting a neighborhood burn down and then going “oh whoops I guess we didn’t have a playbook for residential house fires”
Also, there wasn’t a playbook for “elected official in imminent danger”? Maybe it’s just that they were Dem elected officials…
our very strong, very brave best boys in blue
Cops are spineless low iq idiots. None of this is shocking at all.
ACAB
For all their "warrior training," they're really just scared children when put to the test.
Makes you wonder about the police
Selective enforcement inaction.
Did they know who was inside? Serious question.
#ACAB
Scum of the earth. So many modern cops are just pathetic little tin soldiers who are policemen simply to compensate for whatever it is that is lacking in their lives. They wouldn’t know “to serve and protect” if it was their own family getting mowed down.
Deescalation because the shooter was white?
They’re all on the same side
The side against people
This country is awash with not just guns but extremely lethal guns, mostly held by homi/suicidal angry RW white men eager to kill everybody in their path. Who wants to be a cop in this situation? Not your sharpest knives; not your bravest souls. We all lose.
Sponsored assassinations have been going on since our species walked upright.
Not so brave unless the person is brown or Black—then it's full berserker.
Civil War is here.
The best advocates for “defund the police” are the police themselves.
ICE underscores that
And circles it, and fills in the circle with pink highlighter
It’s almost like they were created to turn otherwise moderate folks into police abolitionists!
Well... Historically...🤔
the thin yellow line
This raises concerns about collusion. There's been a pattern of assassinations like this now involving judges and politicians. Reconstruction failed because the gov was afraid to take on right-wing insurgency in the Southern States. Merrick Garland refused to investigate others aiding McVeigh.
Sure, why hire an assisin when you can have the police do it...
I would love to read the article, but it is behind a paywall. Thanks.
ai-2027.com
Really invites a discussion (that will never really happen) about what function cops actually serve.
This is disappointing and heartbreaking. Wtf.
At the same time how many police departments have acquired military hardware… for what?
Despicable cowards
Did they think the shooter was a cop?
OMG. We may never know for sure, but FFS the police might have been able to save one or both of their lives if they had taken immediate action. A total dereliction of duty. “Protect and Serve”
Profound betrayal. Makes the loss so much harder to bear, since now we’ll never know if she could have survived. Damn it. Damn them.
They probably didn't want to shoot "one of their own", which, it turns out, he wasn't.
Is the a minimum IQ for police? Is there a maximum?
Yes, if you're too smart police are allowed to discriminate against you.
that explains SOOO much
The democratic party entered a state of denial about the police in 2020. Before Bidens nomination people recognized they where hostile to the democratic party and its voters, and completely out of control. After, we all just sort of forgot about it.
While they stayed just as hostile and out of control.
YES
Cops are pussies. Unless it’s an unarmed black kid, then suddenly they have the biggest balls on the planet
If they wanted the shooter to accomplish his goals would they act any differently?
meanwhile
archive.ph/VuZ49
Thanks for the access.
Anytime, and you can go to archive.today in your browser, copy and paste an article URL into the bar to unpaywall. Works for most (but not all) things. 👍
Correct response should be to reduce all that tactical gear, arms, training hours, personnel numbers, etc, visibly amassed outside the crime scene. What do they need it for when they don't use it?!?
archive.is/6Jlo0
Wow cops are over-armed cowards? Who woulda thunk it.
Cops are fucking useless.
Well armored cowards!
🤬 Corruption is rampant among law enforcement departments.
When the mantra of the police is “a cop’s first job is to come home at the end of the shift,” shit like this is inevitable.
I think that if you are a coward, you should not be a police officer.
1312 always
Fuck, you didn’t go in to the house for an hour! We have an issue here.
Why have MWRAPs, body armour, bullet resistant riot shields if the cops ain't gonna use them?
This is Uvalde all over again. Terrible for the family. Couldn’t read the article so don’t know the full story other than they waited for over an hour before they entered and other agencies were not advised for hours. It is tragic and heartbreaking.
The initial report from Mark Bruley also twisted the timeline. He stated that cops arrived as Boelter was leaving the house. A heroically close call. The actual story--that the murders happened after cops shot at him, missed, and then he escaped, was already much worse. www.cnn.com/2025/06/14/u...
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What’s behind all this?
And they think militarizing our schools will save kids from being shot. 🙄We all see that it doesn’t. Our police forces need to be re-imagined from the ground up. They used rotten ideas to build it with in the beginning, it was always built to fail.
So how many "good guys" with a gun have to gather until they can confront a potentially present bad guy with a gun?
@warmyellowlight.bsky.social hmmm
awful :(
At Pulse and Uvalde the cops not only delayed going in themselves; they also stopped paramedics who wanted to enter to save people who were bleeding out. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear they did the same here.
Tell ‘em, Lex! ACAB. Now about that Superman…
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The police are all cowards at heart.
If they had wanted a democratic lawmaker to die, what would they have done different?
Thanks to SCOTUS for ruling that police only have a duty to protect society as a whole, not any specific individual.
By society as a whole, they mean ultra rich and their corporations. Those are worth protecting, not taxpayers
There are no more police officers who can be trusted. They are all traitors to the Constitution and their oath
Horrified and disgusted.
This is crazy
Once again cops aren’t here to help you
Uvalde Officers:
