I think it's hard to credibly promise to address an issue that people have entirely hallucinated. Like we should try but this is a fantastic example of a Glonzo issue.
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jun 22, 2025, 10:45 pm • 11 0 • view
Donald Trump does not particularly care about the political consequences of many of his actions because there have never been any negative ones that he can see. Nothing is off the table when you’re throwing darts at the wall with your eyes closed and everyone tells you that every one hit a bullseye
jun 22, 2025, 11:42 pm • 5 0 • view
I listened to so much tiktok politics and i cannot stress enough how much "Harris WILL start ww3" was an article of faith I would tell off line dems this and they simply wouldn't believe me.
jun 22, 2025, 10:40 pm • 21 0 • view
I saw a big veteran’s for Trump sign in suburban Austin. It was still up even though it was this April. It basically said something like Trump will keep us out of foreign wars
jun 23, 2025, 1:43 am • 0 0 • view
Oh god TikTok is just Florida Spanish language radio for white people huh
jun 23, 2025, 1:11 am • 12 0 • view
Young white* people and Taylor Lorenz *probably also Black people
jun 23, 2025, 1:31 am • 9 0 • view
I’d call that a Freudian slip DonaKKKd Trump. 😂😂❤️😂 Sadly I just read that over the last 3400 years of human existence, we have been @ war over 92% of the thyme, with only 268 years of peace.
jun 23, 2025, 10:47 am • 1 0 • view
I get it, but I wouldn’t put it past Trump to try and re-institute the draft.
jun 23, 2025, 1:51 am • 0 0 • view
start really loudly pushing a "no draft for iran" bill when people start telling you that you can't do that or such a bill is pointless, just keep asking them why they support drafting people to fight iran
jun 23, 2025, 3:25 am • 2 0 • view
Winning elections in America is actually really easy when you try to win, we just haven't tried fighting Glonzo yet
jun 23, 2025, 4:02 am • 1 0 • view
Same! No one is taking any man in my family to fight their wars. We have a plan in place and I suggest everyone do the same. The one thing this country gave me is gone; the freedom to live my life without fear. It’s not taking away any male in my family.
jun 23, 2025, 11:53 am • 0 0 • view
Making people believe Republicans want to draft their kids into a war with Iran seems like excellent politics if you can pull it off.
jun 23, 2025, 1:24 am • 5 0 • view
If we were to abolish the selective service registration, would that actually cause any problems if we were to need a draft? If not, there is a Glonzo to kill
jun 23, 2025, 12:05 am • 3 0 • view
Good. I’m glad they’re scared. They’re idiots.
jun 22, 2025, 11:33 pm • 10 0 • view
They created this world and now they hate the rules that almost exclusively benefit them. Seems like a them problem!
jun 23, 2025, 2:33 pm • 0 0 • view
I am the proud grandma of two grandsons and three granddaughters who will be over 18 within two years. One is already over 18. My fear is that the draft will be reinstated.
jun 23, 2025, 1:43 pm • 0 0 • view
Indeed 😂😂😂 Next up , on the Fakey Fake show, Dogs are turned gay by seeing rainbow T-shirts..
jun 23, 2025, 10:49 am • 0 0 • view
I mean we require every male who wants to vote or go to college to sign up for the draft, we could just stop doing that
jun 22, 2025, 11:35 pm • 5 0 • view
I think this may just be the era we are in. We have to actually respond to Glonzo. Glonzo is a real creature in national politics.
jun 23, 2025, 3:22 am • 7 0 • view
It's pretty easy, really. Get rid of selective service sign ups and dump the lists that currently exist. If no one wants them, quit collecting them. If you want to know what makes teen boys think about the draft, it's signing up for some future possible draft.
jun 23, 2025, 12:00 pm • 1 0 • view
It's not hallucinated. It's clearly implied right there.
jun 22, 2025, 10:49 pm • 1 0 • view
is saying 'Democrats oppose a draft and war with Iran' that hard though? I mean, obviously yes, but not for good reasons we should accept
jun 23, 2025, 12:22 am • 40 0 • view
I mean, it’s not that hard because a bunch of Dems are saying it, or at least saying they oppose war with Iran. They aren’t saying they oppose a draft because why would they? That’s crazy. It’s a “my we won’t have a draft T-shirt raising a lot of questions answered by my shirt” situation
jun 23, 2025, 12:52 am • 5 1 • view
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jun 23, 2025, 12:56 am • 0 0 • view
I think the point is that they could say it but it wouldn’t break through to the TikTok brains
jun 23, 2025, 12:25 am • 4 0 • view
not immediately, no. but we have time especially if Trump keeps faceplanting into wars
jun 23, 2025, 12:26 am • 2 0 • view
Yea time to make the statement and the argument, but what’s the counter argument to: “But Joe Rogan said there’s this thing called the D-Draft, that democrats have been pushing for decades…”
jun 23, 2025, 12:29 am • 1 0 • view
I mean it's not hard to say that I just don't think that will do anything to dissuade people from believing Dems will draft them.
jun 23, 2025, 12:47 am • 73 2 • view
Reminds me of the story that LBJ spread a rumor that a political rival had carnal relations with pigs. Someone objected it wasn’t true and LBJ said he just wanted the guy on the record denying it
jun 23, 2025, 1:38 am • 0 0 • view
i think if it's hammered home as Trump makes this worse and worse we could get there eventually
jun 23, 2025, 12:48 am • 0 0 • view
The initial belief wasn't based on anything, how do you credibly promise not to do something when the belief that you will is entirely hallucinated?
jun 23, 2025, 12:48 am • 63 3 • view
i mean hawkish democrats talking about standing with ironclad support of israel is not halucinated
jun 23, 2025, 12:49 am • 12 0 • view
Right but that has *nothing to do with a draft*
jun 23, 2025, 12:51 am • 30 0 • view
Here's my guess: Nobody understands what a draft is. Just like they don't understand how bills work or tax brackets or anything else. If there's War, then it's War We Might Die For. This is one of those things where you have to respond but on your terms not their nonsense.
jun 23, 2025, 12:53 am • 4 0 • view
That is, just be sufficiently anti-This War and you'll be about as effective as you could be in reducing people's fears of a draft. Wouldn't hurt to have Kamala give a speech specifically decrying this as fucked up and unconstitutional because we have no other leaders rn
jun 23, 2025, 12:54 am • 3 0 • view
I think Democrats' inability to oppose all of Trump's wars without sounding like they just wanted in on the killing is absolutely related to fears they'd support a draft
jun 23, 2025, 12:53 am • 18 0 • view
it's easier to defuse this shit when there isn't positive evidence for the hallucination
jun 23, 2025, 12:57 am • 10 0 • view
Even if that were true, how would that explain a differential in “what party will draft you”? Why wouldn’t republicans get that heat just as much?
jun 23, 2025, 12:57 am • 2 0 • view
I think the only hope of that is to distinguish ourselves as much as possible and give it three years to sink in
jun 23, 2025, 12:58 am • 1 0 • view
I generally agree but on these specific hallucinations there comes a line where you’re just reactive. “When will democrats condemn the bowling green massacre?!”
jun 23, 2025, 1:05 am • 3 0 • view
It's incredibly stupid, but I think the thought process is something like this: Trump: I'm the peace candidate, Dems do war, I'm peace, destroy all my enemies Dems: We need a strong military and to defeat our enemies abroad. It's clearly flattened but this is all many people are hearing, I think
jun 23, 2025, 1:09 am • 2 0 • view
And no one worried about a draft is old enough to consider accusations of Dems being peaceniks. They see a lot of failed foreign wars in their lifetime that had bipartisan support and that Trump very vocally critiqued if they were around in 2015/2016 (regardless of him lying then). It is unfortunate
jun 23, 2025, 1:09 am • 1 0 • view
Yea I get that’s what people are hearing, but if they’re unable to compare those statements to the reality around them, dem statements on being against the draft aren’t going to fix that. There will be a new TikTok fiction before they’re done recording the video
jun 23, 2025, 1:14 am • 2 0 • view
The other problem is, how do you prioritize among many different beliefs about hallucinations versus real issues in real topics when you have finite time and resources?
jun 23, 2025, 9:09 am • 2 0 • view
This leaves aside the fact that voters for whatever reason will project onto Trump whatever they want and not absorb what he/GOP prioritizes.
jun 23, 2025, 9:09 am • 1 0 • view
This situation reminds me of how journalists will melt down over Kamala describing the color of her clothes to the visually impaired as some vanguard of the Cultural Revolution, but will dismiss Trump ranting about pig's blood bullets because that's just him or whatever.
jun 23, 2025, 12:51 am • 34 2 • view
I'm not sure why every comment left of center people say is taken hyper seriously and full of extreme implications while nothing the right says is taken seriously no matter what happens. And I'm not sure what to do about this situation either.
jun 23, 2025, 12:52 am • 30 2 • view
The Dems thought Russia should not invade Ukraine and this was taken as a prelude to WW3 no matter how little they actually committed to fighting Russia. Trump threatened to turn the Middle East to glass and no one took it as a signal of anything. I don't get it and I don't know what to do.
jun 23, 2025, 12:53 am • 31 4 • view
There's going to be no military draft. This isn't to say that trump won't deploy the military wherever he wants but doubt they'll be a draft.
jun 23, 2025, 6:24 am • 0 0 • view
Say “I’ve heard your concerns and I’ve changed my mind, we’re cancelling the plans for the draft”
jun 23, 2025, 1:33 am • 0 0 • view
I think Dems could clearly state a simple position and that will help some. Right now older Dems are afraid of being mistaken for antiwar hippies and it makes them hedge their statements too much.
jun 23, 2025, 12:23 pm • 1 0 • view
Why has not a single Democrat come out and said they won’t nuke Santa Claus?
jun 23, 2025, 12:49 am • 5 0 • view
They've been waging a multi-front war on Christmas for years.
jun 23, 2025, 12:52 am • 5 0 • view
Not saying that definitely won't dissuade anyone though
jun 23, 2025, 12:49 am • 1 0 • view
It feels like it should be easier? The problem is fake so just give some good bread-and-circuses spectacles that look like solving it
jun 22, 2025, 11:31 pm • 2 0 • view
A challenge with running on glonzo issues I've noticed is, bc of edpol, liberals will call out anyone attempting to do so as a liar, while right-wing institutions will cheer and holler, "yes, death to glonzo!"
jun 23, 2025, 9:13 am • 6 1 • view
Tfw you’re Sancho Pansa, the electorate is Don Quixote and your opponent has a windmill manufacturer on their side.
jun 22, 2025, 11:42 pm • 4 1 • view
It teally is just a spiral from the "me and the boys going off to fight in WWIII" memes that were popular in 2022 after the Ukraine invasion, and I am just not sure how you get people who are way too online to learn to separate their humor from real world situations.
jun 22, 2025, 10:40 pm • 29 0 • view
There’s also the issue of the more you deny something the more some people you’re lying
jun 22, 2025, 11:38 pm • 10 0 • view
Credibility is a standard for people who live outside media. Counterhallucinate as much as possible and the basis in fact for any of this draft stuff will become the Washington Generals if successfully done
jun 22, 2025, 10:38 pm • 26 3 • view
The dominant feature of this political era is that people live their lives inside media and every technology around pushes them to burrow in. First come first serve in this landscape
jun 22, 2025, 10:41 pm • 18 2 • view
The draft is an activist fantasy. The one time activists managed to affect the conduct of a war, there was a draft. So they reflexively stoke draft fears. Not to say some don’t believe; my boomer mom truly fears her grandkids will be drafted. She learned nothing from her kids not being drafted.
jun 23, 2025, 1:32 am • 4 0 • view
They don't need to draft. Worse comes to worse, they send the national guard like in Iraq. Which was pretty fucked up lmao
jun 23, 2025, 9:44 am • 1 0 • view
I don't know why, but this is the 3rd time I've seen someone repost this tweet like it's Russian propaganda. There are real things to deal with young people being afraid of war isn't fake or stupid or made up. Fuck all the way off of this is your take. This woman is out in the public every day
jun 23, 2025, 11:07 am • 7 0 • view
Why are you against doing something about Glonzo?
jun 23, 2025, 12:38 pm • 1 0 • view
Dude what? How the fuck do you think Republicans ever get elected?
jun 22, 2025, 11:11 pm • 1 0 • view
You have to be sufficiently crazy in your solution, *and* credible in your craziness to not seem patronizing. TBH, we need to fix Selective Service * anyway * (it's not constitutional in its current gender-selective setting, and has a bunch of weird 70s anti-hippy poison pills).
jun 22, 2025, 11:31 pm • 21 0 • view
The thing is, if there was a Glonzo Gets To Kick You In The Rear Act on the books, it would still behoove us to remove it.
jun 22, 2025, 11:30 pm • 2 0 • view
I suppose. It's just one of those things that ends up *very* low on any priority list, both because it is incredibly stupid and incredibly distant to our legislators.
jun 22, 2025, 11:38 pm • 2 0 • view
The other approach to fixing its constitutionality, if I recall the ruling correctly, would be to no longer allow women to serve in combat-oriented roles, which ... is the sort of thing you could easily imagine this administration doing.
jun 23, 2025, 12:07 am • 1 0 • view
Yeah, except that's how you get your approval rating within the military to near 0. And also manage to make the recruitment issue (which will still matter) even worse.
jun 23, 2025, 12:10 am • 1 0 • view
Yeah, it's a stupid idea, but ... that's apparently par for the course these days.
jun 23, 2025, 12:19 am • 1 0 • view
Yeah making it gender-neutral and IDK barring the executive from activating either NG units or conscripts for service abroad unless there is a formal declaration of war would be good
jun 22, 2025, 11:51 pm • 22 0 • view
The issue is selling that to fools. Because there's only so many ways to be rational. But there are infinite ways to be irrational.
jun 22, 2025, 11:53 pm • 16 0 • view
Yeah this is not a vote winner, it's just a good policy
jun 22, 2025, 11:55 pm • 17 0 • view
This is the kind of thing you try to get done in Secret Congress.
jun 22, 2025, 11:56 pm • 15 0 • view
This was basically the FAFSA Simplification Act, which dropped the Selective Service question/requirement.
jun 23, 2025, 12:06 am • 8 0 • view
I was gonna disagree with you - by saying that regardless of its basis in truth the belief matters - but then I read the glonzo thing. I think that pretty much sums it up. that said, I don't think it is entirely hallucinated; I think it is activating long-held anxieties from vietnam.
jun 23, 2025, 12:54 am • 1 0 • view
culturally I think people affected by that draft were very effective in passing on their psychic scars to everyone around them and especially their own children.
jun 23, 2025, 12:55 am • 2 0 • view
Men of that era had a lot of resentment towards women who went to graduate school yeah
jun 23, 2025, 1:12 am • 1 0 • view
I really don't think it is just that. This is like some deep-seated irrational fear for many folks. I know bsky doesn't see this as grounded (I am somewhat more skeptical given how unlikely everything in this admin already has been) but there a lot of ppl who will never not see it as a live fear.
jun 23, 2025, 1:20 am • 1 0 • view
I mean as an example but the totally
jun 23, 2025, 1:26 am • 1 0 • view
Is it such a crazy hallucinations? Yeah, it's a dumb idea, but its foundations make sense, from 2020 to 2024 we saw 3 objective facts 1: Netanyahu is completely psychotic 2: Netanyahu wanted war with Iran 3: Biden was Netanyahu's lapdog To imagine a possible 4:Biden would go to war with
jun 23, 2025, 3:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Iran if Netanyahu asked is wrong, but it's not that absurd in principle Note: Kamala isn't Biden but may as well be, she's an empty suit and literally said she'd do anything Biden would have, inheriting all of his sins and extreme unpopularity
jun 23, 2025, 3:50 pm • 0 0 • view
so we’re all just going to ignore the glonzo and sit here unpacking the sociological dynamics of the political moment? i hope you guys are happy with less electricity, which btw can’t be created or destroyed so we’re basically boned while glonzo gets stronger
jun 23, 2025, 11:16 am • 3 0 • view
saying the draft won't be reinstated is a step beyond gaslighting read 2025 you farcical twatwaffle
jun 23, 2025, 11:49 am • 1 0 • view
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jun 23, 2025, 1:04 pm • 1 0 • view
" suggests that all public high school students should take a military entrance exam" But the draft isn't its ultimate objective Cuz a bunch of racist fascistic theocratic plutocrats would never create something like the draft that would force involuntary servitude upon the general public. uhuh
jun 23, 2025, 1:10 pm • 2 0 • view
There will never be another draft. They learned their lesson from Vietnam and they’re making more desperate people every day that will sign up voluntarily
jun 23, 2025, 12:16 pm • 0 0 • view
I dunno, it gives all the MAGA war gamers a chance to do More than harass Women & Marginalized Peoples, & gather chinos & tiki torches you wanna play Doomsday FPS Killer? Here you go, BigBoy
jun 23, 2025, 10:52 am • 0 0 • view
It's baffling. Nobody wants to draft anyone. The US just spent a couple of decades fighting bush wars with no draft. Nobody even seriously suggested drafting anyone during the whole GWOT.
jun 23, 2025, 12:37 am • 1 0 • view
being a ukrainian american amidst this draft nonsense is a specific kind of rage inducing experience especially when my uncle and cousin both got drafted into the ukr army
jun 23, 2025, 3:12 am • 16 2 • view
like the shit these people are making up to be afraid of is the actual lived reality of many men outside of the united states. but they’re not real people i guess 🤷🏻♀️
jun 23, 2025, 3:13 am • 13 1 • view
yeah I've been thinking about this a lot today.
jun 23, 2025, 3:16 am • 2 1 • view
Not only are the people around me freaking out about men being drafted, but women, too. And I am just not equipped to go about trying to debunk any of that
jun 22, 2025, 10:50 pm • 1 0 • view
Why would you? You would only be helping trump
jun 23, 2025, 4:10 am • 0 0 • view
Democracy in a consumerist culture necessarily embodies a kind of ‘the voter is always right’ ethos; it’s electorally unsound to tell people their fears are fictional, the further removed from consensus reality the fears—the harder it is to reassure them without coming across as condescending
jun 22, 2025, 10:37 pm • 20 0 • view
Well, there are plenty of jobs on the farms for these white boys now get to picking boys. White guy here had enough of white grievance
jun 23, 2025, 2:21 pm • 0 0 • view
I think for many of these young men the actual hard reality of a military draft was far outside their conception. I think it was a knee jerk reaction to the idea of a *gasp* woman telling them to do something that actually made the meme spread so much. Basically all gender
jun 22, 2025, 10:43 pm • 150 7 • view
My dad gathered up me and my brother once and had us watch Hacksaw Ridge, giving as a prelude a very sober talk amounting to "you could be drafted to do things like this someday, decide how you will respond." I blew it off then and blow it off now, but this seems to be a real possibility for some
jun 22, 2025, 10:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Precisely. To the extent it's not just pure TikTok psychosis, it's a lie to justify voting against women's bodily autonomy by making up a threat to your own, like reverse racism but with gender.
jun 22, 2025, 10:54 pm • 210 20 • view
have literally had a super lefty dude put it in those terms to me. also complained about women being in the military
jun 23, 2025, 12:37 am • 36 1 • view
The Horseshoe Theory is undefeated. The crank realignment continues apace
jun 23, 2025, 2:13 am • 32 2 • view
Every elected Dem officials should have gone to WHITMAN AFB in knob knoster Missouri and lay down on the runway tarmac to prevent the B-2s from taking off. Anything short proves their just corporate shyte libs.. HEHEHE
jun 23, 2025, 6:22 am • 5 1 • view
Yep, it's the young man's version of "family courts always rule in favor of women"
jun 22, 2025, 11:36 pm • 9 0 • view
Just bringing up the hits from 2016 (which was also a lie; Trump supported the Iraq war on Stern)
jun 23, 2025, 1:10 am • 12 0 • view
I do think that, while 'your own young men might get sent away to war' is not necessarily one of the *most* important reasons not to bomb fuck out of other countries, it shouldn't be hard to include it as part of a general anti-war pitch. Which is presumably the kind of thing Kat had in mind.
jun 22, 2025, 11:21 pm • 3 0 • view
Because America has been so incredibly shielded from the consequences of wars, even the ones in which it participated, it would make sense for stuff like that to loom larger in you guys' collective cultural memory. People think war is bad, but that it mostly happens someplace else. So the idea of a
jun 22, 2025, 11:21 pm • 2 0 • view
The US military is adamant they do not want a draft and it would be detrimental to them. These “concerns” are the opposite anyways. It’s that Harris is a woman & somehow Walz unmanly & weak despite being in the Guards for a very long time and a Football coach while Trump is into Theater & pageants
jun 23, 2025, 1:43 am • 2 0 • view
draft, and of unwilling Americans being sent off to die in some foreign country, is maybe the most tangible horror of war for some folk. It's notable how many of the great American war movies start out with a lot of 'normal life at home'. Maybe just too much screenwriting dogma. But maybe not?
jun 22, 2025, 11:21 pm • 1 0 • view
Anyway. I'm waffling a bit. But if you can get a few more people to oppose bombing by pointing out e.g. that it's really expensive, or that it makes you in the US *very fractionally* less safe or more likely to know someone who has to go to war then all to the good, I guess.
jun 22, 2025, 11:27 pm • 0 0 • view
"Why isn't Biden doing anything about the drones"
jun 23, 2025, 1:21 am • 4 0 • view
Why didn't Dems go to WHITMAN AFB in knob knoster Missouri and lay on the runaway tarmac to prevent the B-2s from taking off? If trump told em RUN EM OVER that's fine with the Kat Abu ZORHAN Brianna joy crowd.
jun 23, 2025, 6:20 am • 0 0 • view
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jun 23, 2025, 1:43 pm • 0 0 • view
I think it's a perfect Glonzo issue. If so many Democrats weren't rushing to endorse fucking up Iran the obvious move is to just invent a plan by Republicans to draft young men, and then rail against it. Would it work? Dunno, but it would've been all upside if Schumer and Jeffries weren't thirsty
jun 23, 2025, 12:04 pm • 10 1 • view
Wrong. jeffries.house.gov/2025/06/21/l...
jun 23, 2025, 2:20 pm • 1 0 • view
My bad, Jeffries put out a letter complaining about process and some general "love our troops" words. Jeffries sucks so much I assumed he wouldn't be able to clear the bare minimum and he did it. Applause.
jun 23, 2025, 2:36 pm • 3 0 • view
Um Jeffries put out a statement that is the opposite of your post. He is most definitely not in alignment with Trump’s decision to bomb Iran. You might try not being disingenuous playing “both sides” bs.
jun 23, 2025, 2:20 pm • 1 0 • view
I’m sure somebody wrote something about a military draft post-9/11 that they can dig up
jun 23, 2025, 12:30 pm • 1 0 • view
who said you have to be credible in such contexts? just say the thing and move on
jun 22, 2025, 10:34 pm • 2 0 • view
Glonzo voters will sense that Democrats aren't sincere about being anti-Glonzo
jun 22, 2025, 10:39 pm • 18 0 • view
so this is just a deficit between the parties in lying skill
jun 22, 2025, 10:41 pm • 2 0 • view
It's because the far right voters don't care if their candidates lie and will vote for them anyway, and the far left wing voters will invent lies to justify not voting for their candidates.
jun 23, 2025, 12:08 am • 0 0 • view
I don't think it's even the parties, I think it's literally just a superpower Trump and only Trump has
jun 22, 2025, 10:53 pm • 14 0 • view
I am a Jr High teacher. Teenage boys are too stupid to fear global geopolitics. They fear the erection that won't go away when the bell for the next class rings.. The future is fiction fir teenage boys
jun 23, 2025, 1:54 am • 5 0 • view
If your students are so incurious about the world, perhaps that points to a gaping flaw in the method of instruction, not the inherent qualities of the minds receiving it. I'm not surprised when their teacher holds them in such contempt.
jun 23, 2025, 11:34 am • 0 0 • view
PS… My students love me. I'm the most popular teacher in the school and all of my students get straight A's and they all go onto Harvard.
jun 23, 2025, 3:20 pm • 0 0 • view
i'm not talking about my students. I'm talking about all teenage boys. All teenage boys are concerned with one thing, themselves. I was that teenage boy. You were probably that teenage boy. I'm not telling you about my students in particular, but observations of adolescence over my entire lifetime.
jun 23, 2025, 3:20 pm • 0 0 • view
It would probably be hallucinated less if people had even a tiny bit of confidence that Biden wasn’t a complete Israel hardliner no? From the average voters perspective, he came off as having a raging fucking hard on for the country.
jun 22, 2025, 10:47 pm • 1 0 • view
Did we ever find those Haitians eating the cats and dogs? I'm guessing they're not at Home Depot or their immigration hearings.
jun 23, 2025, 2:01 am • 0 0 • view
She's talking about people being specifically afraid of being drafted to serve, right? Not just generic 'young men have it so tough these days'.
jun 22, 2025, 10:36 pm • 13 0 • view
Yes, and it was manifested because Harris asked "what law affects men's bodies but not women's?" in reference to abortion, and someone flippantly said the draft. Which is funny to me, because the only reason women are excluded from the draft is Republicans blocked legislation changing it.
jun 22, 2025, 10:43 pm • 36 2 • view
I know someone who was really mad about that. Guy is over 30 and a hundred pounds overweight, but he had to register damn it!
jun 23, 2025, 9:42 am • 2 0 • view
Anyone who says this administration won't do something is sniffing Glonzo farts. It is typical lefty bullshit to dismiss young people's fears of war because you want to blame Democrats again. This generation watched the previous one come home broken from Iraq and Afghanistan. They're justified.
jun 23, 2025, 11:55 am • 1 0 • view
We could run on abolishing the Selective Service?
jun 22, 2025, 11:29 pm • 10 0 • view
The salience of this is raised by the fact that all young men have actually filled out the draft form.
jun 22, 2025, 11:30 pm • 9 0 • view
Also, there are a lot of penalties for not filling it out (or updating it, but no one cares about that bit). Killing those would do a lot.
jun 22, 2025, 11:35 pm • 6 0 • view
It would certainly be less unreasonable to believe in Glonzo if you had to swear an oath to report Glonzo to get student loans.
jun 22, 2025, 11:54 pm • 8 0 • view
We *did* drop that IIRC. Finally. But the broad point is well met. (Albeit still insane, because *again* we didn't do a draft post-9/11, we aren't doing it now)
jun 23, 2025, 12:05 am • 6 0 • view
Republicans do it all the time, they make it their whole platform usually.
jun 23, 2025, 3:37 pm • 0 0 • view
I think democrats should talk about it anyway-"Trump wants to draft you!" its not really untrue, like its extremely unlikely but its directionally correct. This is how political rhetoric is now
jun 23, 2025, 3:13 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s just misogyny
jun 22, 2025, 10:59 pm • 0 0 • view
Wait, Glonzo is just from last fall?!? I thought it was an ancient meme idea, like The Grink or Spiders Georg or Ted Cruz.
jun 22, 2025, 10:40 pm • 12 0 • view
Thanks for this. I agree and I learned something new - Double bonus
jun 23, 2025, 12:56 am • 0 0 • view
this reminds me of the balloon crisis
jun 22, 2025, 10:41 pm • 2 0 • view
that’s a great post lol
jun 22, 2025, 11:28 pm • 1 0 • view
I hadn't seen this, this is brilliant
jun 23, 2025, 3:57 am • 0 0 • view
So what's it called when someone pretends a real issue is an imaginary Glonzo issue, just to make themselves feel smarter than the rabble? I think we should call it "Manbearpig." At this point, I don't see any limits to how badly Trump could fuck this up, so why isn't a draft possible?
jun 23, 2025, 1:28 pm • 1 0 • view
I think this is why cultures have Pharmakos/Scapegoat rituals. Maybe build wicker effigies of Sergeant Napper & Corporal Vamp? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_...
jun 23, 2025, 9:08 am • 2 0 • view
This too. The other guy literally ran on a war of choice with Mexico over the cartels. But *we're* the ones who are going to draft young men? What the fuck are you people talking about
jun 22, 2025, 10:50 pm • 565 42 • view
Not to mention his track record from his first term. youtu.be/QQYFVEka3fA
jun 23, 2025, 12:53 am • 3 0 • view
In fact, the one guy in recent history who ENDED a war caught an incredible amount of flak for it.
jun 22, 2025, 10:51 pm • 61 0 • view
Was the right move, but IMO the term ‘ending the war’ was intentionally a lot more ambiguous than what it was which was a negotiated surrender.
jun 23, 2025, 2:36 am • 0 0 • view
We could have used you out there over those 20 years. Maybe we wouldn’t have “surrendered.”
jun 23, 2025, 3:07 am • 4 0 • view
I said it was the right move, but also in practice formally conceding a war is not the same thing as ‘ending a war’ when it comes to the American psyche.
jun 23, 2025, 4:47 am • 1 0 • view
When they say anti war they mean betray Ukraine btw
jun 22, 2025, 11:03 pm • 28 0 • view
just about every time, yeah
jun 23, 2025, 12:53 am • 5 0 • view
It does not escape me that this has come up with exactly two candidates: H Clinton and Harris. I had men tell me that both were going to get us into multiple wars. And I think it has to do with “women are irrational because of hormones” but they won’t just say that
jun 22, 2025, 11:25 pm • 79 3 • view
Among incels there's been a longstanding association with feminism and the draft. They base this on the support for the White Feather movement by a small number of suffragettes in the UK during WWI, while, ofc, ignoring that the large majority of feminists have been strongly anti-war.
jun 23, 2025, 1:38 am • 6 0 • view
Damn this is a genuinely 100+ years old deep cut
jun 23, 2025, 1:51 am • 3 0 • view
It’s just misogyny all the way down but dressing it up in “fear of draft” and “warmongering females” makes them sound rational instead of indulging in fanfic about how concerned they are about peace
jun 22, 2025, 11:32 pm • 48 1 • view
I unfortunately remember many of them outright saying that they didn't want a "hysterical" women as US president, so there's also that.
jun 22, 2025, 11:37 pm • 24 0 • view
What kills me about that sentiment is that men have no idea how much self-control all women need to exercise in the workplace because of *their* behavior. So someone like Clinton or especially Harris obviously knows how to do that
jun 22, 2025, 11:45 pm • 32 0 • view
It’s a catch-22 TBF, ppl not thinking that they’d be a strong wartime leader’s a much larger constituency.
jun 23, 2025, 2:08 am • 0 0 • view
I think it's mostly projection. Republicans decided to get past their warmongering problem by inverting reality.
jun 23, 2025, 1:22 am • 5 0 • view
Okay but in all honesty they are not brining back the draft! Like it was to destructive to the social fabric of America in the late 1960’s and early 70’s like hell they’d be able to impose it today !
jun 23, 2025, 1:03 am • 3 0 • view
I don’t think it was destructive to the social fabric. Abolishing the draft was what was destructive. Now lots of people don’t know anyone who serves or is at risk if we go to war. The issue with the draft was rich people exemptions. The WW2 draft was incredibly positive for social cohesion.
jun 23, 2025, 1:21 am • 5 0 • view
There where literally bombings on college campuses monthly at the height of the Vietnam War! The draft particularly when used for a war of choice was EXTREMELY destructive to American society !
jun 23, 2025, 1:24 am • 5 0 • view
I feel like the deep disgruntlement over stop-loss and similar fuckery is still in the water, too
jun 23, 2025, 2:00 am • 0 0 • view
i was a little too young in 2003 but an avid anti iraq war news reader and i dont remember anyone being scared of the draft. when i turned 18 my classmates had never heard of selective service curious what changed if anything
jun 22, 2025, 10:56 pm • 31 0 • view
zoomers seem particularly gullible vis a vis claims they see on tiktok more than once.
jun 23, 2025, 1:26 am • 6 0 • view
normally I am more skeptical of [generational thing] but given that there has been more than one instance of doing finance crimes spawned by tiktok bullshit I'm ummmmmm less than inclined to be charitable to today's 20somethings.
jun 23, 2025, 1:28 am • 4 0 • view
Social media
jun 23, 2025, 1:35 am • 0 0 • view
I was the right age and initially freaked out about being drafted post-9/11 to go to Afghanistan (faded once the direction of the response was “keep consuming, citizens!), but by the time Iraq rolled around it was very clear no draft would be happening
jun 23, 2025, 12:36 pm • 1 0 • view
Right, that makes sense. I guess the consumption is patriotic line is no longer so explicit. But I thought that was because it faded into the background of "just the way the world is" If I'm being charitable, maybe the draft is the only way to visualize the war being a catastrophe for them
jun 23, 2025, 2:07 pm • 0 0 • view
The catastrophes will really be collapses in food systems, flooding, natural disasters. But the war is more salient so I guess this is how you go from the salient thing to the correct intuition about the end of the world?
jun 23, 2025, 2:07 pm • 0 0 • view
Still kind of think that this is a boy coded social hysteria. But there's probably no reason to go around talking about it that way
jun 23, 2025, 2:07 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah, I think that is a lot of it, along with nonsensical things kids and the proverbial median voter believe about politics in general
jun 23, 2025, 3:18 pm • 0 0 • view
The idea that feminists support the draft was popular among Men's Rights Activists about 10-15 years ago. I wonder if it's gone from there to podcast bros like Rogan.
jun 23, 2025, 1:43 am • 0 0 • view
I wonder if school recruiting has gotten more aggressive. We opted out of calls for our high school kids but still received them. They'd come around to the lunch tables and try to chat kids up and then they'd pressure and insult them if they either didn't respond or said no thanks.
jun 23, 2025, 11:18 am • 1 0 • view
I haven't heard about recruiting getting more intense. I do remember reading stories about intense recruiting in schools but didn't experience it personally. Which may be explain my experience. My senior year fb was really new so maybe it would have been different had everyone been posting
jun 23, 2025, 2:12 pm • 1 0 • view
This is from my kids' experience the past four or so years. It seemed an escalation. I didn't experience that in the 90s in high school. But maybe they targeted boys a bit more idk.
jun 23, 2025, 2:17 pm • 0 0 • view
There were a lot of stories in the early 2000s about a dramatic ramp up in recruiting. Not surprised there was little in the '90s. But it certainly could have escalated recently.
jun 23, 2025, 2:20 pm • 1 0 • view
I've noticed advertising
jun 23, 2025, 1:26 am • 0 0 • view
advertising what good or service?
jun 23, 2025, 2:30 am • 0 0 • view
To register. It may be that I have a kid around that age
jun 23, 2025, 2:50 am • 0 0 • view
huh waste of money. they should just draw social security numbers. idk why they make people register in advance. and im not googling it to find the at least somewhat reasonable answer which im sure exists
jun 23, 2025, 2:57 am • 0 0 • view
The selective service system was founded in 1917, so before social security was a thing (I was googling this earlier)
jun 23, 2025, 3:07 am • 0 0 • view
This is an excellent question.
jun 22, 2025, 10:59 pm • 5 0 • view
There was all kinds of fear of a draft around that time. Might not have noticed because it was often the parents more worried than the actual children/young adults. As one of the few in my friend group that didn’t join the National Guard graduating in 01; they got totally screwed though
jun 22, 2025, 11:06 pm • 8 0 • view
i just remember older people doing a lot of discourse about how the war would come to an end really quick if there was a draft. i talked to lots of parents (one of those kids) and never heard anyone bring it up
jun 23, 2025, 2:34 am • 1 0 • view
I guess i remember my aunt explaining that she told my cousin not to register for selective service and she probably wouldn't have noticed had there been no war, but this seemed like a more "homeschooled kids are exempt from the rules" kinda thing
jun 23, 2025, 2:34 am • 2 0 • view
I was 18 in 2003 and I had no fear of a draft, but that was partially because I knew if they ever declared one I would just refuse to go to the point that they'd have to shoot me for desertion.
jun 22, 2025, 11:45 pm • 2 0 • view
Here's the thing: it won't be, but it certainly wouldn't be *by Kamala Harris*. And yet apparently young men voted for Trump because they were afraid Momala was going to draft them. This is self-evidently a mass hysteria. bsky.app/profile/chri...
jun 23, 2025, 11:52 am • 114 6 • view
I'm not saying not to try anything but young men have been flooded with propaganda saying that *Democrats* will send them off to die and that same propaganda engine will shift to saying that this war is awesome and painless. There is no organic worry to work from. It's all the results of 1/2
jun 23, 2025, 12:01 pm • 7 0 • view
intentional propaganda that won't allow itself to work in Democrats favor. Just like you are no longer seeing burrito price videos or dooming against the economy.
jun 23, 2025, 12:03 pm • 6 0 • view
DRAFTING IS JUST A BAD IDEA FOR US MILITARY STRATEGY! Our force structure would have to be entirely changed to make that work. Also you don't *draft* people to become brownshirts, either!
jun 23, 2025, 12:24 pm • 5 0 • view
This feels like an even more exaggerated game of Telephone than the "DOGE check" thing was
jun 23, 2025, 11:59 am • 5 0 • view
Getting tired of this "Trump & co. are too evil & lawless to be constrained in any way, therefore we have the right to panic over everything" nonsense. I am begging adults to behave like adults
jun 23, 2025, 12:12 pm • 45 6 • view
I’d rather be stabbed in the throat than called a farcical twatwaffle. Nothing could hurt worse than being dunked on by some “You sir have won the internet, take my most exquisite of updoots!” type.
jun 23, 2025, 2:12 pm • 0 0 • view
Your mom might ask you to do something == being drafted, apparently.
jun 23, 2025, 6:19 pm • 1 0 • view
And Canada. And Greenland. And the Panama Canal. And the Dems never recovered from the last guy literally ending their forever war that they begged for
jun 22, 2025, 10:52 pm • 135 4 • view
Tbf Trump decided he wanted to invade Canada after he was elected
jun 22, 2025, 10:54 pm • 72 0 • view
Likely after hearing Musk talking about the Technocracy movement his grandfather belonged to. www.cbc.ca/newsinteract...
jun 23, 2025, 12:05 am • 28 0 • view
They exist in an alternate reality the same way the typical Fox watching Boomer does. Protecting themselves with the same forcefield of arrogance and disdain for personal accountability.
jun 22, 2025, 11:52 pm • 2 0 • view
I genuinely think this is a combination of leftover disappointment with Obama plus people projecting their desire for any anti-genocide candidate imaginable onto Trump and him being really good at accepting said projection
jun 23, 2025, 1:11 am • 10 0 • view
And also he has the correct gonads, somehow
jun 23, 2025, 1:14 am • 10 0 • view
It's a good one for us because at least this time, we are objectively anti-Glonzo; if Glonzo was real we would hate him. It's not like the drones or whatever.
jun 22, 2025, 10:34 pm • 59 0 • view
I don’t think it helped at all that there was ongoing trench warfare being captured on camera. Russia-Ukraine I think has made war seem much more scary for the terminally online
jun 22, 2025, 10:38 pm • 2 0 • view
i don't know, i think Schumer is divided on glonzo
jun 22, 2025, 10:36 pm • 22 1 • view
Does Glonzo recognize the right of Israel to exist? The Baileys demand answers.
jun 22, 2025, 10:39 pm • 2 0 • view
What do the Baileys think?
jun 22, 2025, 10:36 pm • 6 0 • view
they think glonzo had some good points
jun 22, 2025, 10:37 pm • 6 0 • view
John Bailey's brother Thomas has a Glonzo-control business with contracts with Nassau County, if we just get rid of Glonzo he'll be mad.
jun 22, 2025, 10:37 pm • 24 1 • view
And so many small business were created to support local governments in their fight against Glonzo. You can’t just throw them to the wolves! It’s dozens of jobs!
jun 22, 2025, 10:40 pm • 3 0 • view
also Schumer DID demand hearings on the drones, why not have Glonzo hearings
jun 22, 2025, 10:37 pm • 3 0 • view
Yeah it's like we should be anti-war for obvious reasons, I just don't think we're going to have much luck convincing young men that we aren't going to draft them when their belief that we would is itself based on literally nothing.
jun 22, 2025, 10:35 pm • 85 6 • view
I do think it's worth highlighting that if you were able to suddenly convince everyone worried about a draft that it won't happen, that support for war in this case and in general would rise.
jun 22, 2025, 10:46 pm • 11 0 • view
So I’m a bit lost here, when and where did this idea that freaking Kamala of all people was going to reinstitute the draft??? I mean I guess it doesn’t matter but I’m a bit concerned that I didn’t hear about this until like, yesterday
jun 22, 2025, 10:51 pm • 3 0 • view
It’s for the opposite reason that many are proposing to solve. The whole thing was Trump was a big tough guy that no one would mess with and he makes the best deals. They would have seen Biden, Harris or Walz, saying anything like this as further proof.
jun 22, 2025, 11:14 pm • 1 0 • view
You promise a law banning conscription for offensive wars, or something like that.
jun 23, 2025, 3:19 am • 0 0 • view
It's not like this wins us every election automatically, but it's just a really easy layup that we refuse to take.
jun 22, 2025, 10:36 pm • 2 0 • view
A lot of these same people would be saying it’s proof they are a bunch of limp wristed soy boy weaklings that will ruin the military. Inviting attacks leading to their children being drafted
jun 22, 2025, 11:11 pm • 0 0 • view
What are you talking about?? What do we "refuse to take," saying we won't draft people when no one is suggesting that?
jun 22, 2025, 10:38 pm • 19 0 • view
dawg what do you mean no one is suggesting it, they’re self-suggesting it. The worries are coming from inside the house but that doesn’t mean ignore them when it’s such a substantial population
jun 22, 2025, 10:41 pm • 1 0 • view
Trump would take on this if it went against what he wants, whether or not it existed. We are hampered by not willing to do that, but I don't think we should start doing. Still I think there's room here. "Listen, I understand many of you are worried about the draft.
jun 22, 2025, 10:50 pm • 0 0 • view
I want you to know we would fight against the draft as hard as we could! We care about you. But I want you to know, there's no reason right now to think there will be a draft, bc . . ." Tell me Gov Walz could not pull that off!
jun 22, 2025, 10:50 pm • 0 0 • view
Promise to get rid of Selective Service or something, idk just spitballing
jun 22, 2025, 10:47 pm • 1 0 • view
My "We are NOT going to draft you" T-shirt is raising a lot of questions answered by the shirt
jun 22, 2025, 10:38 pm • 22 0 • view
if christine o'donnell isn't a witch why won't she just come out and make an ad where she says "i'm not a witch"? would put the whole thing to bed, political malpractice not to do that
jun 22, 2025, 10:51 pm • 5 0 • view
"We will make sure Trump does not draft you"
jun 22, 2025, 10:39 pm • 3 0 • view
"But Trump is the peacemaker! He wouldn't draft us!"
jun 22, 2025, 10:46 pm • 4 0 • view
Yep.
jun 22, 2025, 10:39 pm • 0 0 • view
Like even as a remote hypothetical, I'm very happy to get up and say "fuck the draft"
jun 22, 2025, 10:35 pm • 22 0 • view
if you’re not against Glonzo, you’re for Glonzo
jun 22, 2025, 10:42 pm • 0 0 • view
I guess politicians would have to try, but I propose it is not particularly easy to leverage Glonzo and raising the salience could backfire For example re: the draft, Democrats already ended up entirely saddled with this issue despite the fact the other guy ran on crushing Gaza and invading Mexico
jun 22, 2025, 10:47 pm • 130 6 • view
I mean the Dems were the ones in power and keeping the slaughter going even as Netanyahu literally conspired with Trump and called them antisemites. You have to be a nincompoop to think Trump wasn’t going to war, but you also have to be one to think Harris wouldn’t.
jun 22, 2025, 11:54 pm • 5 0 • view
Idk why ppl with this pov never consider that the screaming on the right that the Dems are antisemites who wanted Jews to die in the US and Israel at a time of trauma for a lot of Jewish Americans did not give her room to distance herself significantly from Israel while running but
jun 24, 2025, 3:41 am • 0 0 • view
Given that her opponent was literally taking meetings with the guy, drawing a hard line between antizionism and antisemitism, and condemning the obvious crimes that were tarnishing the names of all Jews and actually making them unsafe, might have been worth considering.
jun 24, 2025, 3:48 am • 0 0 • view
Unfortunately what we Jews consider the defining line between antisemitism and antizionism is a lot different and therein lies the problem. The Pro-Palestinian movement would be so much more sucessful if they were willing to actually listen to Jews regarding their fears
jun 24, 2025, 3:53 am • 0 0 • view
Do they fear that a blood-drunk ethnostate will shoot kids in the head, use starvation and rape as weapons of war, and stack hundreds of thousands of corpses while declaring this is what Judaism fundamentally is and anyone who has a problem with it is a fake Jew?
jun 24, 2025, 3:56 am • 0 0 • view
Well you said "they" and I'm just gonna let you leave this up here as a very good example of how to not help Palestinians or anyone, really
jun 24, 2025, 3:57 am • 0 0 • view
Pronoun trouble? Would it improve if I’d said “Do the Jews fear etc”, and if not, why not?
jun 24, 2025, 3:59 am • 0 0 • view
Anyone who's not a fucking moron could see that Harris did not have the historical love affair with Israel that Biden did. Would she have kept support for iron dome (defensive) funding? Yes. Would she have bombed Iran for Bibi? I don't think so, and anyone who assumes she would is jusr jerking off
jun 24, 2025, 3:44 am • 0 0 • view
lol did she ever make any public statement to that effect what-so-fucking-ever or are you just reading her mind? Even if she wasn’t a true believer like Biden, there would be intense pressure to get Israel out of a jam once Iran started shooting back, and she lacks the spine to even do a bothsides.
jun 24, 2025, 3:52 am • 0 0 • view
Israel isn't "in a jam". Bibi chose to wage this war knowing that Trump is unpredictable and may not offer support. Shit, they literally did this without his knowledge or support, any later attempts to help him save face are blatant. Bibi played him. You don't even understand what's going on.
jun 24, 2025, 3:54 am • 0 0 • view
Arming Israel is not the same as going to war. Only an idiot would have thought Harris would get involved. Just like we didn’t out boots on the ground in Ukraine.
jun 23, 2025, 1:19 am • 22 1 • view
At best there’d be another week of Israel whining before the bombers go out
jun 23, 2025, 1:21 am • 0 0 • view
What happened to "no daylight" wasn't the Biden admin doing military training missions for this exact thing? I have no clue how Harris would handle it, but if there would of been no daylight between her and Biden then you would have to be an idiot to think they wouldn't get involved.
jun 23, 2025, 1:24 am • 3 0 • view
"Glory to Glorzo, er, Glonzo!"
jun 23, 2025, 1:30 am • 1 0 • view
Translation, anyone?
jun 23, 2025, 1:04 pm • 0 0 • view
As the UK governments have experienced about immigration
jun 23, 2025, 9:18 am • 1 0 • view
It’s a little funny to me to say “I talked to two teenage boys and five parents and that means this is a massive problem we need to address.” 2. And 5. Yeah, that’s a real tidal wave. Not a microscopic anecdotal bubble AT ALL.
jun 28, 2025, 4:34 pm • 1 0 • view
I think it speaks to the kind of person who is drawn to Abu’s vanity candidacy.
jun 28, 2025, 5:01 pm • 2 0 • view
This is Trump's stock and trade .
jun 22, 2025, 10:57 pm • 0 0 • view
huh? A prolonged war with Iran is probably still unlikely, and reviving the draft is even less likely, but this is not an irrational fear of the boogeyman, like… what?
jun 22, 2025, 10:46 pm • 5 0 • view
Being afraid that the dems would follow Israel into war was perfectly rational. I’m confident the dems wouldn’t gone as far as this nonsense, but if someone had asked me why in September 2024, I wouldn’t have an answer!
jun 22, 2025, 10:49 pm • 0 0 • view
This is because you were propagandized by people who wanted the guy who actually wanted war. It worked
jun 23, 2025, 3:42 am • 3 0 • view
This is because you were hallucinating.
jun 22, 2025, 10:56 pm • 3 0 • view
Yes it is! We haven't had a draft in 50 years! Literally no one is proposing it! The military would not want one if someone did!
jun 22, 2025, 10:48 pm • 37 1 • view
Every day there are videos of Hispanic men having their lives ripped away from them by the government. The draft ripped lives away from working class whites who are still living. While it’s not going to happen it makes sense that “govt overreach could come for YOU, too” would win hearts and minds.
jun 23, 2025, 11:16 am • 1 0 • view
And yet somehow that overreach fear gets attached to Dems, not the Republican President whose policy undergirds the kidnappings. There’s no angle for what you’re arguing that isn’t irrational
jun 23, 2025, 12:53 pm • 3 0 • view
I agree it is irrational. But if everyone voted rationally we would have a different government. I am really just agreeing with Kat that this is an opportunity and America is much more anti-war than our leadership. So many Dem party failings are about communication, not policy.
jun 23, 2025, 1:30 pm • 0 0 • view
I don’t think anybody is saying this is on the Democrats, but they should seize the moment by clearly opposing this war
jun 23, 2025, 1:23 pm • 0 0 • view
I don't really want to argue with you, we're on the same side, but the core of the "young men fear the draft" nonsense was & is absolutely tied to Dems. This kind of meme was being spread around ahead of the election
jun 23, 2025, 1:43 pm • 3 0 • view
So why does the message from so many leadership Dems seem to be, “this was wrong procedurally but we probably would have gone along if it had the right intel and process”? When Dems have a chance to change the narrative they seem to miss the moment. I appreciate your points, though.
jun 23, 2025, 1:50 pm • 0 0 • view
yeah, i feel like im losing my mind following the 'draft' discourse cuz people are conflating 'RWers fear mongering gen z men that *a Black woman* might send them to war so vote Trump ahead of the 2024 election' and 'people now fearing a draft because we elected Trump and he might actually do it"
jun 23, 2025, 1:47 pm • 2 0 • view
Isn’t this just like, “we didn’t think he meant the immigrants WE know”, though?
jun 23, 2025, 1:54 pm • 0 0 • view
eh kinda, but they are two separate groups talking. the RWers agitating against the idea harris sending them to war wasn't the "going to war" part, it was the "harris sending them" so they most don't give a shit about trump starting a war and sending them.
jun 23, 2025, 1:59 pm • 3 0 • view
people worrying about a draft now are not the same cohort and maybe didn't know about the right's draft fever dream cuz obv Harris would not do a draft for a war in the middle east, but Trump might actually. But those people are getting mad at how dismissive people are because of the first group.
jun 23, 2025, 1:59 pm • 3 0 • view
I don’t understand where you are getting this certainty from. How many norms have been broken and incredibly stupid decisions have been made by our leaders in the last few years? Why do you think they will avoid this one horrible thing?
jun 22, 2025, 10:55 pm • 8 0 • view
it serves no purpose. even the other stupid things had a purpose they were just terrible ways to get there. a draft would just anger people more than any of the other bad decisions because it's universally unpopular in a way few things are in America
jun 23, 2025, 12:10 am • 0 0 • view
If you think the Dems were more likely to impose a draft (they weren't in the slightest) than the GOP (whose platform was "invade everything") then you're genuinely out of the loop.
jun 22, 2025, 11:21 pm • 4 0 • view
It's *insane* to assume the (cowardly, as people like to put it) Dems would impose a draft and torpedo their popularity with the most pampered, flippant electorate on the globe
jun 22, 2025, 11:22 pm • 4 0 • view
I didn’t say that democrats would do this and I don’t believe they would.
jun 22, 2025, 11:23 pm • 0 0 • view
So why are you here arguing that we can't be "certain" if they'll impose a draft or not. The fact they *won't* is beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is, by all means, certain.
jun 22, 2025, 11:26 pm • 2 0 • view
If young men were terrified of being drafter despite the fact it was *certain* the Dems wouldn't have imposed it, it's not up to the Dems to remind them that they won't be drafted, especially when not once in their campaign did they mention invading anyone, as opposed to the other party.
jun 22, 2025, 11:29 pm • 4 0 • view
I don’t know why all of you are getting spun up about this. It’s a completely valid and defensible position to take for a party: “Republicans are starting wars they expect you to fight for them.”
jun 23, 2025, 1:04 am • 0 0 • view
If the concerned young voter sided with the party that screamed about invading countries for the entire campaign, then the concerned young voter is a stupid idiot. No amount of Dem pushback would have saved them.
jun 23, 2025, 1:50 am • 1 0 • view
I would personally not be surprised in the least if Trump 2 and his demonic advisors try to reinstate the draft via an executive order, honestly kind of expect it if he has to commit to a grab invasion
jun 22, 2025, 11:36 pm • 1 0 • view
They may try. And then their entire voter base will go ballistic. Young yokels were discouraged from voting Kamala out of the *illusion* of her being a warmonger. Can you imagine the popularity shift Trump might face if he gives outright signals that a draft is his actual intention?
jun 23, 2025, 12:20 am • 1 0 • view
I think we'd be approaching nationwide riots if Donald tries to force people into conscription after all the shit he's done tbqh
jun 23, 2025, 12:36 am • 1 0 • view
None of the people who believe this are concerned about any of that!
jun 23, 2025, 12:54 am • 3 0 • view
What are you talking about?
jun 23, 2025, 1:00 am • 0 0 • view
The people who believed that Kamala Harris was going to draft them don't know or care about any of the actual abuses of power occuring.
jun 23, 2025, 1:03 am • 7 0 • view
That’s just an incredibly broad claim without any evidence to support it. If people are worried about going to war and don’t want to do it, where is the drawback in coming out against it in the terms that it is understood (the draft)?
jun 23, 2025, 1:07 am • 0 0 • view
A land invasion of Iran is not really geographically feasible for the US, and without a land invasion of Iran, there's simply no way to get a conflict intense enough to make a draft seem reasonable even to Trump.
jun 22, 2025, 11:32 pm • 4 0 • view
Luckily there is no potential for this conflict between regional powers with enmeshed alliances to expand beyond its current borders.
jun 23, 2025, 1:01 am • 2 0 • view
The alliances you are referring to aren't the same sort of alliances that existed before the world wars. Not on paper or in practice.
jun 23, 2025, 9:47 am • 2 0 • view
Yeah, and how long did Roe v Wade last? Awfully optimistic and, in my opinion, Pollyanna of you. I am not saying it is inevitably, but to think it just won't happen because x,y,z is far too optimistic.
jun 23, 2025, 10:53 am • 3 0 • view
It’s unlikely, sure. Its a terrible idea on many levels, sure! but look at where we are. Look at the loons who populate the government. Bringing back the draft wouldn’t be the worst OR the most unlikely thing the administration did this year.
jun 22, 2025, 10:57 pm • 3 0 • view