When i saw those bulletproof desks, I thought. This isn't a solution to a problem, this is people shrugging and giving up on a problem
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aug 28, 2025, 1:01 am • 2 2 • view
“bullet proof desks”
aug 28, 2025, 12:46 am • 1 0 • view
school shootings aren’t that big of a problem. 20k kids die DAILY from simple lack of access to fresh water. fewer than 5k die PER YEAR in the usa from mass shootings. if you care about the lives of children there is plenty of low hanging fruit that doesn’t involve rendering millions vulnerable.
aug 28, 2025, 1:50 pm • 1 0 • view
They're a big problem because they change your culture. They're a big problem because they traumatize more than just those who directly suffer from it. They're a big problem because it's preventable. You're exemplifying why nobody thinks the US is a beacon of benevolent morality.
aug 28, 2025, 4:47 pm • 0 0 • view
i don’t agree. i think the root problem is the media culture. it turns tiny things that are rare into huge memes that overshadow real places for societal improvement. case in point: tobacco kills daily in the us 7x as many as the opioid “crisis”. but that’s not news. emotional decisionmaking.
aug 28, 2025, 4:57 pm • 1 0 • view
20k kids *in the US*, the country where the kids get shot? Just trying to figure out what you're saying, since I grew up in the US (the country of the current topic) and my water came from a well contamined by a big-name shoe company and is now a Superfund site. But then you die as an *adult*.
aug 28, 2025, 3:06 pm • 0 0 • view
no, in the world. i was saying that if you want to do something about dead kids then there are better ways to spend your time with much higher ROI. the generally accepted idea that gun violence is a big problem in the usa simply isn’t true. it’s just on the news. tobacco kills 15-20x as many, for ex
aug 28, 2025, 3:09 pm • 0 0 • view
I think they're trying to compare the US, which claims to be a (so-called, I'm aware of the problems of this terminology) first-world country with, uh, other first-world countries. Where yes, there is gun violence, but nobody asks schools here in NL to buy bullet-proof desks.
aug 28, 2025, 3:12 pm • 0 0 • view
americans don’t need bullet proof desks any more than dutch people do. it’s simple media-based fear mongering. you’re twice as likely to die in a car crash, nationwide. if you’re not in six impoverished high-crime counties where the majority of murders happen (not in schools btw), it is like 50x.
aug 28, 2025, 3:15 pm • 0 0 • view
Aren't firearm injuries for kids (kids=up to age 19) #2 after cars? That's still messed up (not per se in schools, that ratong is just in general from the CDC)
aug 28, 2025, 3:19 pm • 0 0 • view
#1 actually. it’s because america is actually quite safe generally speaking. even the #1 isn’t that big in real numbers, and that includes all gun deaths (suicides included)
aug 28, 2025, 3:20 pm • 0 0 • view
Guns are #1? I coulda swor that was cars... am I misreading?
aug 28, 2025, 3:23 pm • 0 0 • view
i think guns are #1 for under-14yo in usa
aug 28, 2025, 3:31 pm • 0 0 • view
oh shit yeah I see a stat for up to age 17. That's messed up. I should go see what's killing the most kids here.
aug 28, 2025, 3:41 pm • 0 0 • view
*sworn
aug 28, 2025, 3:24 pm • 0 0 • view
So to be clear I'm thinking the people involved in this thread are Americans who are not per se worried about, say, kids in Yemen dying of cholera. I think because of expectations, mostly.
aug 28, 2025, 3:13 pm • 0 0 • view
Like, "why should daily school shootings be the norm in the US when it's not in France?" kinda thing. (the answer is availability. There are simply more guns lying around in some places compared to other places. The people in Europe aren't nicer or anythin, they just have to use knives etc instead)
aug 28, 2025, 3:15 pm • 1 0 • view
there aren’t daily school shootings of the kind we are discussing in the usa. that’s why it’s headline news the once every few years it happens. headline news is definitionally rare.
aug 28, 2025, 3:16 pm • 0 0 • view
those same people completely covered up the fact that the Columbine boys were nazis. and then they voted for the guy occupying DC. it's a rot at the root of the country.
aug 27, 2025, 10:06 pm • 23 2 • view
its fucking terrorism
aug 27, 2025, 11:16 pm • 3 0 • view
oh the DOJ agrees they just don't care to actually do anything about it
aug 27, 2025, 11:18 pm • 5 0 • view
they worked however , how many desks were killed ? only CHILDREN!
aug 27, 2025, 11:31 pm • 0 0 • view
That part
aug 27, 2025, 10:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Even worse than that, it's people profiting from the problem instead of trying to fix it.
aug 27, 2025, 9:36 pm • 308 17 • view
Capitalism ™ : the system working as intended
aug 27, 2025, 9:58 pm • 77 3 • view
Capitalism isn’t the issue. It’s only been around for a few seconds of human existence, whereas the exploitation of humans has been around for all time. Clearly, it's not about capitalism.
aug 27, 2025, 10:09 pm • 11 1 • view
Capitalism has systematized, vaporized, and normalized exploitation
aug 27, 2025, 10:22 pm • 5 0 • view
Not really. We have far better living standards in free market-based Europe today than we’ve had under any other system in the world. And, to be clear, I’m not necessarily defending capitalism. I’m just contesting this obsessive hatred of it.
aug 27, 2025, 10:32 pm • 0 0 • view
That’s true for Europe. But in the U.S. capitalism is behind monetizing our bodies and our health—sickness is just an opportunity to make more money. Also, I’m pretty pissed that the rich people have bought our government for the purpose of getting richer. It’s so normalized nobody seems to care.
aug 27, 2025, 10:40 pm • 2 0 • view
it's not even true for Europe. as someone from ex Yugoslavia, people are a lot worse off today - healthcare is less and less accessible every day, costs of living are skyrocketing, wages not keeping up...
aug 28, 2025, 6:00 am • 3 0 • view
Everyone has better living standards than in the past. That's just progress. Free healthcare in Europe is not a capitalist feature. Nor are benefits, or any of the other socialist principles that maintain stability and improve progress.
aug 28, 2025, 9:17 am • 2 0 • view
Capitalism provides a LEGAL basis for exploitation. Most other forms of exploitation have been made illegal, most a long time ago. If guns were a loss making business, who would be advocating for their retention?
aug 28, 2025, 9:15 am • 2 0 • view
You’re missing the wood for the trees. Capitalism is just a costume worn by power. In the West, it's the custome of choice. Elsewhere, power wears other costumes. We’re watching the early stages of a costume change in the US: the Trump regime ditching capitalism for a statist mafia-run economy.
aug 28, 2025, 11:04 pm • 0 0 • view
Oh yeah? So them how did Marx predict that the end result of capitalism will inevitably be a fascist state, which is what you're seeing now. When the worker is exploited to the point of breaking, it's either a workers revolution, or an authoritarian crackdown, we are having the latter...
aug 29, 2025, 8:35 am • 0 0 • view
It's not an coincidence that shit started going really wrong in 2008, when the banks crashed. The saving of the banks was the first step to fascism. It was unavoidable, ad capitalism had nicely created the 'too big to fail' concept through its inevitable promoted monopoly power...
aug 29, 2025, 8:37 am • 0 0 • view
..once people are broke, you can convince them of just about anything to make their lives better, getting rid of immigrants, shutting off government assistance, blaming hunter biden etc. If you look at history, EXACTLY the same happened post 1929. Different countries, same result.
aug 29, 2025, 8:38 am • 1 0 • view
Both things can be true. Capitalism is exploitive. It is part of the problem.
aug 27, 2025, 10:10 pm • 83 4 • view
Exactly
aug 28, 2025, 11:42 am • 1 0 • view
Going on about capitalism is a gift to the rich. (1) They don’t actually like capitalism. They don’t want to compete - they just want to dominate. (2) If it is just 'capitalism is bad', then Trump should be a left-wing wet dream - he’s tearing down whatever scraps of capitalism are left in America.
aug 27, 2025, 10:30 pm • 12 1 • view
Capitalism is bad, but what Trump (and other authoritarian leaders) is replacing it with is worse.
aug 28, 2025, 12:44 am • 6 0 • view
The Rich alao like Socialism when the money flows in one direction - towards them. You are correct. They have no principles other than gaining and hoarding money by any means necessary.
aug 27, 2025, 10:38 pm • 19 1 • view
💯 Trump is waging class war, turbocharging the return to a feudal society. I think the Dems, etc. need to communicate tnat democracy, free speech, etc., aren’t just high-minded ideals - they’re our defence against the rich/parasites/criminals at the top. But they can't because, you know...
aug 27, 2025, 10:44 pm • 14 3 • view
This is what we can do to stop this. bsky.app/profile/upin...
aug 27, 2025, 11:28 pm • 4 2 • view
Yes, the Rich do like Capitalism but only in one direction.
aug 27, 2025, 10:34 pm • 4 0 • view
Where to begin on this take... It's giving "the theory of evolution is just a theory" It's giving "irrational numbers aren't a thing because math is always rational" It's a child butting in on an adult conversation to give their VERY SMART opinion Read more post less.
aug 27, 2025, 11:09 pm • 3 0 • view
I'm always impressed when someone says "I'm not defending capitalism" After saying "now, capitalism isn't the problem"
aug 28, 2025, 2:15 am • 2 0 • view
It's an an annoying knee-jerk response from most people who don't realize that they have been brainwashed into the normalization of capitalism. They do this without understanding their place as laborers in an inherently adversarial relationship w/ capitalists. (Owners of MOP) siding w/ the adversary
aug 28, 2025, 2:12 pm • 0 0 • view
Piss off. Cunts calling me a child when all they’ve got are insults. It’s giving... frustrated - needs to get laid - bitch 😂
aug 27, 2025, 11:46 pm • 0 0 • view
....mmm
aug 27, 2025, 11:50 pm • 0 0 • view
He is not tearing down capitalism though. He's setting fire to the "free market", capitalism is when wealth dictates your ability to influence policy. You know, like all those private dinners people pay to have with him, or "investing" in his crypto, or funding his campaign. He's leveraging it
aug 27, 2025, 10:49 pm • 9 0 • view
Fair enough. I've been using the terms interchangeably, but you've opened my eyes - thank you. I was thinking tariffs (and subsidies and government contracts for welfare queens like Musk) were anti-capitalism, but they're not. They're anti-free market.
aug 27, 2025, 10:58 pm • 2 0 • view
Interestingly you also mentioned Feudalism in another post, Feudalism was when landowners had the influence over policy pre English civil war But yes free market is not capitalism is a distinction we should be clear on, most socialist states have a free market still, it works for luxury goods. 🤷🏼♂️
aug 27, 2025, 11:03 pm • 1 0 • view
"Influence over policy?" Nobles MADE policy for their fiefdoms, other than the Kings and Queens above them.
aug 28, 2025, 12:35 am • 0 0 • view
Kings and queens made the policy, their nobles had their ear and therefore influence, they used that influence to give themselves a lot of leeway. Much the same as Elon musk has and much the way as The east India company did during our brief time as a mercantilist nation to horrifying results
aug 28, 2025, 5:52 pm • 1 0 • view
Just out of interest, what would you regard as a socialist state? Are you thinking of countries like Sweden?
aug 27, 2025, 11:06 pm • 0 0 • view
Most of Scandinavia are democratic socialist states (my preferred system) although they are slipping to the right slowly. The "truer" socialist states in existence now are generally in Africa/The middle east To me democratic socialism is the balance.
aug 27, 2025, 11:14 pm • 1 0 • view
Tell us about 3 school shootings that happened in America before capitalism existed.
aug 28, 2025, 12:30 am • 1 0 • view
Tell me about 3 school shootings that happened before... 1. The constitution was written 2. Columbus arrived 3. The dinosaurs died out Clearly all factors. 🤪
aug 28, 2025, 9:19 am • 2 0 • view
1 Adam Lanza shot some people at a school in Sandy Hook. 2 Michael Carneal shot some people at a school in Paducah. 3 Salvador Ramos shot some people at a school in Uvalde. Everything that happened was before the dinosaurs died out because some of them are still thriving in Australia.
aug 29, 2025, 11:15 am • 0 0 • view
I hope this is a joke Jay, I'm concerned you might believe this bollocks. 🤦♂️
aug 30, 2025, 8:23 am • 0 0 • view
🤣 That's a good one.
aug 28, 2025, 12:35 am • 0 0 • view
Exactly right
aug 28, 2025, 10:26 am • 1 0 • view
This. 👆🏻
aug 27, 2025, 10:13 pm • 1 0 • view
Yep. A committee decided they needed to be made, another committee decided they needed to be bought. Someone designed, manufactured and marketed them. Someone requisitioned and installed them. In a school. For little kids.
aug 28, 2025, 1:57 pm • 2 0 • view
Taking lessons from the drug industry
aug 27, 2025, 10:11 pm • 4 0 • view
After being beat down again and again by the GOP and selfish men. It’s embarrassing and shameful at this point. Democrats need to deliver gun control, health care, and affordable housing. Money out of politics. Restore the VRA. No more incrementalism.
aug 27, 2025, 10:19 pm • 1 0 • view
It’s both, which is the worst part. If you profit but your solution solves the problem, ok fine, I can deal with that. But these bullet proof desks and backpacks and militarized police and on-and-on aren’t solving a damned thing. Just putting money on the pockets of scammers.
aug 28, 2025, 1:32 am • 4 1 • view
True
aug 28, 2025, 1:35 am • 1 0 • view
Bingo
aug 28, 2025, 12:06 am • 0 0 • view
💯
aug 27, 2025, 10:06 pm • 2 0 • view