people love bringing up japan when it comes to deporting immigrants/ creating a homogenous society, but if you bring up japan's anti-gun laws it's "woah woah woah"
people love bringing up japan when it comes to deporting immigrants/ creating a homogenous society, but if you bring up japan's anti-gun laws it's "woah woah woah"
Unlike the Americans with all their guns, at least someone in Japan knew how to hit a target.
The demographic Winter people should peek at what real demographic issues are like; they sell more adult diapers there than newborn diapers.
"I like the xenophobia but I still wanna be able to shoot people."
"But only *my* people, damnit."
“Also high speed trains are for communists”
“Fewer bullets, more bullet trains” is the slogan we need. Although some comms professional will insist on the grammatically incorrect but pithier “less”.
We do love those trains……apparently 🤣
Not just high speed trains, the local and metro services in Japanese cities are astonishingly good and very cheap. There is virtually no traffic in Tokyo because everyone uses the train.
Wait until you bring up depreciating housing policies.
Japan has inexpensive housing because they have no population growth.
Yeah, that's not so much an intentional policy as a consequence of declining population, as many other countries will discover in a few decades when the low birth rate starts outweighing the effects of immigration.
Low birthrates aren't going to outweigh the effects of immigration. That's why housing is expensive.
Give it a couple of decades. Even in the African countries which do still have high birthrates at the moment, they're on a downward trend. Eventually they'll drop enough that the world's population will peak and start heading downwards, and when they do, house prices will collapse as well.
They'll still want to live in western countries
Quite possibly. Even in the countries population decline is already happening, the effects are very location-dependent, with cities remaining expensive but the countryside becoming hollowed out, with abandoned houses available for virtually nothing left to rot because of a lack of local jobs.
Same goes for all EU countries yet the inflation of housing in some countries is staggering.
They have mass immigration so that your boss doesn't have to pay you more.
Not true. Mass migration was towards western countries and their housing didn't jump like ours in Eastern Europe. There are other factors here in my country, like adopting the euro and lots of money having gray-ish source needing laundering, but it didn't start now.
On top of that most of jobs migration affected are some unqualified shitty jobs no one wanted in the first place, even if they paid well enough.
Ah yes no American ever wanted to be a construction worker, truck driver or software engineer.
To be fair, the buildings are depreciating in the US, it’s just the land appreciates faster than a building depreciates.
Their houses are made to be knocked down and remade faster than our houses
looool god I can't even imagine like, one time our houses stopped appreciating and the whole US economy collapsed. 25 banks went under. the gov had to juice everything just to keep us afloat. we might have better odds surviving nuclear war than a depreciating housing market 🙃
And eating not so much meat.
Eating meat is okay as long as you give them massages every hour of their life and sell steak for $150 a pound.
(tbh I might let Dahmer have his way with me if that was my life)
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣… 😕
Can we add no on-street parking as well?
Didn't keep Abe from getting his face blown off 👍 You can't tape kitten mittens on violence and make it go away no matter what any of you tell yourselves.
You are aware that Shinzo Abe was taken out with a pipe gun, right? Japanese gun laws absolutely curb shootings.
Clearly 😏
What are you talking about? Mass shootings just aren't a thing in Japan or other countries that have strict gun regulations. I'd say the laws do a pretty damn good job of at least mitigating the lethal violence.
God help you when you discover cars. Going to have a whole crash out on main.
huh? regulations on cars and infrastructure save lives there too? what a weird troll
Only from reading your posts.
You thought you had something there? lol
You need to be qualified and licensed to operate a car
Apparently, we cherry pick our exceptionalism until 🫠
Well, they don't want to lose the opportunity to buy soiled undergarments from vending machines.
love that they don't want to talk about the high rate of international marriages and multicultural children either
Those were our anti gun (and sword) laws enforced post WWII “woah woah woah” 🤔
And don’t even start with politeness and consideration.
Great point, Derek! To expand: American society was never homogeneous to begin with; and Japan’s Jomon hunter gatherers absorbed at least two massive influxes from NE Asia and one from, probably, the Indonesian Archipelago, to create “the Japanese.”
America never was a homogenous society.
Next try on Israel's anti-gun laws. Some of the strongest on the globe.
An interesting thing about Japan (there are many) is that in the cities with a night life, the police go home at night (about 6pm) & the Yakuza take control to maintain order, but no guns.
Sorry, no. This is completely untrue. The police in Japan are on-duty 24/7. And the Yakuza still exist in Japan but any-gang laws have substantially reduced their power.
Our son had a different take (& was told) from what you indicate. He’s involved in the night life & had experiences involving members of the Yakuza.
typo due to auto correct: any-gang —> anti-gang
Do you know how many people would be in the Americas if not for immigration? None. Every person on this continent, even the First Nations, either came here from somewhere else or are their descendants.
And yet they have some of the highest standards of living in the entire world.
Like folks who want Chinese "cheap clothes and phones" but not Chinese labour laws or pay rates.
Lol and how's that working out for Japan's aging population? Haha
Youth unemployment is low, wages are up, companies are forced to invest in automation, and housing is cheap. Sounds horrible.
This is quite possibly the rosiest depiction of over a decade of negative population growth I've ever seen lol
It's literally what's happening. Labor shortages are a good thing for people like us who have to work 5 days a week.
Not enough people to fill jobs reduces productivity and economic turnout. The housing is cheap because there are not enough people to fill it, possibly leading to infrastructure issues down the road. Gotta think ahead on this stuff a little bit. It's not just about you and your paycheck lol
Japan desperately needs immigrants or their country will collapse demographically.
Japan is a fascinating place. In most cities smoking is banned on the streets (because it’s a public space) but many pubs allow it (because they are private spaces). There is very little crime because the Japanese are compliant and orderly.
Very relevant.
Keep posting Legend!
samurais never carried guns
To be fair I say "woah woah woah" whenever the slightest pretext appears
Japan is racist af
Japan also has an entire underclass of Korenan-Japanese citizens descended from "comfort women" who still can't get jobs in the federal governent. I love their trains, though.
Immigrants are virtually the whole point of our country. Jesus, Republicans are stupid. 
I think they also have an extensive psychiatric hospital system, so they have both going for them, where we have neither.
Japan is so racist that whenever the incredibly popular soft bank commercials are aired, you see a black man. The right has a delusional view of the country.
I felt free to roam the Japan countryside, without fear at the age of 18, not knowing a soul, they'd invite into their homes, feed me, take me to festivals to show me their culture....it was the most enchanting place and people, it was just a magical experience I'll remember forever. Culture matters
Genuinely anywhere that doesn't have America's unique brand of toxic individualism sounds like a dream. Anti-Gun laws are just a bonus.
Japan is also suffering acute demographic loss. So is Russia. I guess this will be happening in the US soon too. edition.cnn.com/2025/08/07/a...
Wages in Russia and Japan are going up because of labor shortages. Remind me how well American wages are keeping up with inflation?
I'm not in the US. I have no idea.
Pretty bad
Trump's legacy will be like Netanyahu's... dragging their countries through the mud
Wages going up due to labor shortages is not a positive in the long term. That simply means their economies will remain stagnant/decline unless they enact significant policy changes.
Japan's economy has remained stagnant but they have maintained a high quality of life, the UK has brought in something like 16 million immigrants over the past decades and has not seen economic growth or a better standard of living. Obviously Japan needs to have more kids but not for macroeconomics
The shooter did not act alone, he had help from 272 Republican in Congress, the NRA and a mad orange twat in the WH! All funded by oligarchs.
Supported by the millions supporting HUGE guns as a solution to any problems or disagreement, disapproval from others Want friends?? Just be pro gun
The gun lobby doesn’t need more state sponsored marketing and protectionism. You want free markets? Make the gun lobby liable for damages just like any other industry. Fuck protectionism.
I was attempting sarcasm. I am 1,000% against the Death Penalty but when it comes to organizations like the nra it needs to die. The members including my xfamily should have to work as volunteers at an inner city ER for equal time to their membership
America has always been a chimera experiment. Sadly every few years we keep letting psychopaths pull some of the most disgusting parts they can find and stitch them into the subject. "I can't prove it, but this part FEELS the most like me, so sew it on! Sew it on all of us! It's best for you, too!"
Was literally starting the process of visa application for Japan and they changed the criteria after the nationalist party got seats at the election. 94% of existing holders won’t meet renewal.
Speaking of, can you stop following Washington Post? They aren't providing information you need. You don't need their audience. It's time to break up.
See also: Australia
Wait till they see what a kei car is 🚗
also homogenous society lol lmao
japans labour market is fucked specifically because they dont allow immigrants
immigrating to japan is way easier than it is to the US, it’s finding jobs that don’t require you to speak fluent Japanese that’s the issue
Unless you're happy teaching English for sub 300,000 yen a month for the rest of your days.
Let’s all be funky babes!
Japan's in trouble, and reversing its centuries-old belief in its own homogeneous society may now be the solution: JAPAN NEEDS IMMIGRANTS!
Japan has a labor shortage that's causing wages to go up, low youth unemployment, companies are forced to invest in automation, and low housing prices. WE HAVE TO STOP THIS.
Japan to “people”:
someone had to basically reinvent the concept of a gun to assassinate Shinzo Abe
Also, isn't Japan's population declining at an alarming rate?
But who would get to stay? Indigenous people? It is their land, after all. Everyone else is an immigrant or a descendant of one.
Of course you are right Monica.
I agree, but this is America!
They’ll have you know they’re 1/57th Cherokee princess!
“…people love bringing up japan when it comes to deporting immigrants/ creating a homogenous society…” I don’t think anti-immigration nuts like bringing that up, because being anti-immigrant is harmful to Japan.
They also love to ignore the declining birth rate and high suicide rate
You ever wonder why Japan has so few mass shooting? It is because of the 1958 Firearm and Sword Possession Control Law? What? No. It's because they got rid of all them illegals. Illegal firearms loopholes? No...
Japan is one of the world’s safest countries and that is because of their strict gun laws and their culture
Japan is low crime for similar reasons to China and SK and it's because the justice system unofficially works on the principle of guilty until proven innocent
I mean, there's also the demographic collapse.
The fear of which has driven Republican policy stances for 50+ years, despite no larger danger to US society.
I personally know 8 formerly Americans who became Japanese citizens in the past 20 years. Don't know why this keeps coming up -- but I agree with what you said about their anti-gun laws. Even after disasters, the Japanese have been known to return wallets with cash and IDs to their owners.
as in, if we deport immigrants in the US we'll be like Japan? Do they not realize Japan is 95% ethnically Japanese? The US can remove all the non-whites they want, and it will never be ethnically homogenous.
Far right people have such a broken view of Japan. The number of immigrant descent people in Japan is grossly underestimated with stats not distinguishing between Japanese citizenship and nationality, and the census not counting those on short term visas (even if renewed again&again for 30 years..)
The stereotype of homogeneity is also decreasingly true. Immigration is happening now.
I don’t want to live in a bland, vanilla America. I want spicy and colorful!
Also their world class transportation, walkable neighborhoods, mixed use zoning, public health care…
If you bring up Japan’s effort as a whole to eradicate violence after WWII, you have a country that is, quite simply, the opposite of what the USA has become. Don’t make me choose, I am already lost to the nihon appeal 🇯🇵🍢🍱⛩️🎏🎐
You can also bring up 2013 Japan when they did all that bad stuff. When that policy created stagflation for japan. Then Japan lost 30% of their net worth since. Regression always cost money. It's great for rich people. but it's bad for We the people. The American people.
Why emulate the best policies from around the world when you can emulate the worst?
* “People”, here, is a specific group of racist shitbags.
Don’t mention universal healthcare
Japan is a tiny country. America is enormous and we have a lot of agriculture and food production that requires workers who are willing and capable of doing the work.
Japan is not a tiny country!
By what possible metric is Japan a tiny country lmfao
I should let her answer but I assumed she meant by land mass...
Japan has 125 million people versus the US with 350 million. And you're right- land mass alone makes us a huge country.
Being a Brit who has lived half their life in US has shown me how much our perspectives on size are relative to our situation Growing up, Japan was a large country, 1.5 times as large as the UK Now, Japan seems small - smaller than single state of California Both perspectives are true and false
Even by land mass, Japan is only “tiny” if you’re comparing it to Russia and China right next to it. It’s a six hour drive between Tokyo and Osaka alone, and there’s a huge chunk of country above and below that stretch.
How about if I compare it to the additional 59 countries that are larger?
Considering there’s 200 more below that, I’d say you’d continue making my point that “tiny” is wildly incorrect lmao
Other countries being smaller than Japan doesn't mean that Japan isn't relatively tiny compared to the U.S., no matter how airily condescending you would like to be with a tossed-off "lmao".
Her ignorance is incredible. 🤦♀️
They also stick their fingers in their ears when you bring up Japan's impending demographic and economic collapse.
Also, Japan is still fairly facist. Lol. They got a pass for a lot of the WWII stuff, but the PM still visits Yasukuni regularly.
Yeah. That’s not what fascist means. And. No. The PM doesn’t visit Yasukuni regularly. Koizumi did regularly, Abe did a couple times.
"But how do you sustain rampant racism without everybody being armed to the teeth?"
Their head of police also apologized to the family of a detainee who died while in custody... It's almost unheard of in America
97% of Japan is Japanese Only 3% of population are foreigners. Police aren’t raiding businesses and arresting people with proper visas It’s true that Japan accepts very few refugees and makes immigrating here difficult—it’s not Trumpİstan.The gun control laws are great 👍 Some years: zero gun deaths
Japan has it's issues for sure but there's also a lot of people working to make it better, same with basically every nation including the "Bad" ones ala Russia - China. If I had the ability and opportunity there's a lot of places with cultures I'd love to live in and experience first hand.
Curious, Jake, at this point in 2025, is Zainichi Korean discrimination more from individual people and groups than government policy, or is it still deeply entrenched in government policy?
I HATE the idea of a homogenous society. I want a just and fair society.
Yessss!
Was the outcome of the OJ Simpson Trial fair and just?
I didn’t say we have one. I said I want one.
Exactly.
Or mass transit
Japan has been so successful at creating a homogenous society that they're in danger of extinction if they don't open up. They aren't replacing themselves. Their birthrate is 5.8/1000 and deathrate is 12.7
If they open themselves that'd just be extinction by hybridization because inviting foreigners wouldn't increase the birthrate. It'd just ethnically replace them.
That's not how humans work.
I love this sentence. It could apply in so many ways. It should be on a t-shirt.
ie: AI - It's not how humans work.
If the genetic testing fad taught us anything, it's that people do have genes from various ethnicities. It doesn't make them hybrids. It makes them not inbred.
First of all "extinction by hybridization" is a real thing and no inbreeding is not a concern for Japan, they've been homogeneous for centuries with no genetic problems. A Wasian isn't going to be healthier than a 100% Japanese.
If you use a normal meaning of extinct, “hybridization” (the wrong word for reproduction within a species) would only lead to extinction if the mixed kids were sterile. I assure you, they are not. Saying a group is homogenous AFTER a lot of genetic mixing says… something… about your rigor.
A wasian marries someone else their child will be 1/4 Japanese, from there 1/8 then 1/16 then 1/32 to the point that they're no longer Japanese in any meaningful sense. That is extinction by hybridization.
That is still not hybridization. They are all humans. Why is your definition defined by blood quantum of a genetic pool fixed in time at 1800AD (or whatever date you’re setting)? Why do you think somebody would go along with that definition?
Picts, Old Prussians, Hittites, Nabataeans, Samnites, Tocharians and some others literally don't exist anymore because of hybridization. Go to Turkey and find me a Hittite, you can't.
the... Picts uh well that was genocide, and the important part of that isn't genetic, its memetic at the scale we can examine. like there's people who looked like 'Hittites' did because humans are more alike than different? The culture is gone not the genes
And that's what would happen to Japan.
Over my head in direct historical knowledge, but the peoples who keep their names are the ones who keep their culture. In other words, I literally do not believe you have correctly identified the cause of the loss of them as identifiable, nameable groups. Assimilation, oppression, etc.
There are two streams, if you like, of Japanese. Most have northern Mongolian DNA. The others (the indigenous, afaicfo, not being very knowledgeable about geneologoy) are something else. So are the Japanese Northern Mongolian in a meaningful sense?
Japanese ethnogenisis happened so long ago that the Jomon and Yayoi is fairly consistent. Obviously the ainu and ryuku islands are going to be different. The Jomon would be an example of a people that don't really exist anymore due to hybridization.
So you're in favour of Japan slamming the gate shut. But flip side is that Japanese have been "escaping" for centuries. Should the gate also be shut to keep them in? I prefer what you call hybridization.
Macroeconomics is more important than the continuation of the Japanese people and their culture or something
No I'm using the word correctly, there's several plants and animals that are extinct/endangered because of this. The most famous being Neanderthals which interbred with humans to the point that they're completely gone.
Neanderthals did go extinct due to contact with H.Sapiens. But not due to sexual contact. There was interbreeding, and the identifiably Neanderthal groups lost normal kinds of niche competition. If the Neanderthals had not mixed with H.Sapiens, they’d still be gone.
Wtf is wrong with you weird race theory freaks? Let me guess. You think white people are going extinct too 😂
Two questions Is this chart incorrect? Is it a good or bad thing and why?
I dare say that 1/2 the gun owners could never pass Japan’s test of gun knowledge and proficiency. Sad that there are men and women who feel so threatened and weak, only a gun can make them feel better about themselves.
Or that they have defined forced religious participation as child abuse... I grew up forced to be Mormon so that one stings.
I like this rule. Forced religion is abuse regardless of age.
Agreed!
And the Japanese are fond of the saying: The Nail that Sticks Out Gets Hammered DOWN
Guns are so rare in Japan that you can buy replica guns that have pretty much zero visual indication that they are fake.
Or social safety net, nope, can't have that here, too expensive!
FFS Japan’s economy has been in the toilet for 30-yrs precisely because their population is shrinking and they can’t grow with immigrants due to restrictive immigration policies. Immigration WAS the U.S. economy’s superpower til Trump fucked it all up.
Same for if you bring up their socialized healthcare system or their education system. How children are shown life skills from the outset (they clean their school, ride the bus/subway without parents)
I'd mention the hostage justice system, but then I remember that the types who are big into deportions are more than happy with innocent people being abducted by cops and held indefinately.
*whoa
There is a reason that he had to use The Contraption on Abe.
The only complaint I have is their anti-cannabis as a medical cannabis patient but I'd rather live in Japan than America rn
I used to work in Tokyo and that always perplexed me because they’re so liberal on most social issues. Drug use is not tolerated.
Yeah no adhd meds allowed either
I’ve noticed that Italian physicians tend to shy people away from similar drugs.
From what I've heard, it's a paranoia that really came during the Occupation and has persisted.
I have watched policemen sternly make someone pick up their cigarette butt and deposit it into a small Band-Aid container in the policeman’s pocket! They are very intolerant of certain things.
With that homogeny comes high rates of depression loneliness and suicide
I think the “Little. Yellow. Different. Better.” slogan is wildly racist and perfectly accurate.
same for their zoning laws, vehicle registration and storage laws, labour laws, rent control. can't even commit to pretending they're xenophobic for pragmatic reasons they just want a society that's identical to the one they have now but racister
like i still firmly disagree but if someone says "unfortunately these policies only work in an enclosed society" i am willing to have that argument but they want the enclosed society and NONE of the policies that supposedly require one
It's not even just laws, it's also culture, a minor plot point in Lycoris Recoil (spoilers) is the cultural idea that giving everyone a gun would result in mass death and anarchy
They don't need guns in Japan. They just stab people.
Japan is facing massive demographic and economic growth problems now, exactly because of its immigration policies. There is such a thing as intelligently evaluating immigrants for entry into a country, without regard to their ethnicity. Focus on bringing in solid, law abiding people.
Or their socialism
And also those immigration laws are changing cause they need someone, anyone to care for the aging society.....
Because if we had it your way we'd have no guns and a diverse society with high knife crime.
We also don’t have a homogenous society at all, it’s a myth!! 😭
Another one that people like to compare to Japan on homogeneity is Iceland. They, of course, conveniently ignore the GFC bursting these delusions asunder. There can be no homogeneity in a class society. Unless, perhaps, your motivation is an ethnocentric one. And even then!!
yorkshirebylines.co.uk/society/we-f...
I’m Mexican on the four sides, and I have been mistaken for a Japanese a lot of times in my trips, despite my Japanese language being way worse than 20 years ago.
Love walking down the block and encountering a dozen different hyper specific subculture shoppes and hangouts.
I mean that’s Tokyo but we are diverse all throughout in different ways haha
That homogenous society has done wonders for their economy over the last 30 years.
Someone brought up France having military in their public venues, and I was like "...also trains, national healthcare, and good bakeries?"
That's good question to ask Ann. Hope they reply!
Japan as an ethnostate: “Aw that’s cool, man, it’s what they want!” Japan having strict gun laws to protect the public: “Aw come on, man, it won’t hurt anybody if someone in Japan had a .45 for protection…”
Nobody is advocating for Japan to change their gun laws
Saw a member of Japanese gov. discussing how Japanese rejection of immigrants has lead to a real demographics problem. They need to import young immigrants to sustain their population but resist because of prejudice. Stupidity has bad consequences.
"Knives are just as dangerous"
Japan is notoriously one of the most racist countries in the history of the world. They have zero laws protecting you from discrimination. I prefer American racism to Japanese racism.
Also surprising more misogynistic too in the workplace
Japan is up to 4% foreign workers and rising. Not close to USA but we are the nation of immigrants. Japan will need more and more foreign born workers.
All true but Japan also trying to figure out how to keep a homogeneous population with birth rates around 1.
And don’t even get started on free socialized healthcare. Like they have in almost every foreign nation, including COMMUNIST RUSSIA.
THERE ARE MORE GUNS IN AMERICA THAN PEOPLE
They have great loos there too.
let's not get carried away here, Derek.
Love that the Japanese one is basically just Shinzo Abe.
That data is 5 years old. I goddamn GUARANTEE you the U.S. rate - as of this freaking moment!!! - is at least twice what it states (7/100k).
firearm homicide was 5.4/100k in 2023 (latest CDC data). unless you're including suicides, in which case about 10/100k, but 2020 was the same. the US is getting worse in many but not all ways
I do not know you, never come across your acct, so shall refrain in grace from LAUGHING MY FREAKING ARSE OFF!!!! see dee see data is now as reliable as sla P/E.
so what sources do you trust? every report i can find shows gun violence dropping for the last 4 years. is this some secret truth you are assured of based on vibes, or do you know some data i don't?
Shoo icky troll shoo.
I was curious! Per Johns Hopkins, “In 2023, the rate of gun-related deaths in the U.S. was approximately 13.7 per 100,000 people.” I’m sure it’s continued to increase the last two years and is probably at least 14/100k by now. You were absolutely correct.
Thank you 🙏 My pub health profs would be pleased… 😄
Cherry-picking is their specialty.
I'm just here digging the cool stuff they do with trees. I would love to just spend an afternoon hanging out with a bunch of old guys smoking their unfiltered cigarettes while fussing over sekka hinoki bonsai. that and I wanna try their damn Melon cakes. those look amazing.
Also, Japan's xenophobia is untenable and they know it. Before he was assassinated even Shinzo Abe (a solidly conservative politician who'd played footsy with the ultranationalist right who are basically Japanese MAGA) had acknowledged that it would be necessary to liberalize immigration laws.
Also like, even Japan is now having to face the fact they need immigrants cause nobody in their country wants to make kids.
It’s also true of South Korea, both are their cultures are so toxic that people actively choose not to extend it via reproduction. That’s pretty damn bad.
That's not the reason you sound racist AF
"South Korean & Japanese culture which puts insane pressure on people to succeed in life and specifically in a corporate job where they are expected to put 10-12 hours a day in isn't the reason why birth rates are falling RACIST!!!!" Just shut up.
There's nothing particularly special about Japan and Korea. Literally every industrialized nation on earth has a fertility rate well below replacement. Japan has a higher fertility rate than both Spain and Italy!
Korea and Japan's demographic problems are worse because until recently they have been relatively unfriendly to immigration.
www.elibrary.imf.org/view/journal... The countries with especially low fertility rate continue to have it so due to the same factors, just in different amounts. No, there's nothing special about Korea or Japan. These issues exist in many places and are the same throughout. Korea is the most extreme
example of the issues while Japan has eased up in recent years. Both countries are also massively investing in incentives for parents, but still don't address the main causes that research has found.
Once women are better educated and have good employment the birth rates plummets.
Because if they do get married, they are expected to both have a job and be the care takers of everything at home. When men put in equal effort at home as well as work, birth rates go back up.
I’m not sure that is true, young women are not as invested in having children.
www.nber.org/papers/w33311 From the research I've seen, it shows that when there is more equitable distribution of childcare and household chores, fertility rates rise.
They may rise, but not enough for replacement levels from what I’ve read.
That's possible, but just because these are big factors doesn't mean they're the only factors. Cost of living, childcare, and so on also play roles as well.
That’s what I mean by young women not being invested, these are the facts of having children, the financial loss to women’s lives is huge, superannuation ect. As we see now with the amount of homeless women.
Excuse me. I lived in and married in Korea. The only culture I found toxic on Korea were the Americans.
Scrolling and I see “Mike Honcho”…ha! Needed that chuckle my friend..
That's an interesting assertion; can you substantiate it objectively, and without an opinion?
Are you kidding me? There is hard data to suggest both countries will age out due to the lack of population replacement between both countries, there is no “assertion” about it. You can go pout and deny it if it makes you fell better about it I guess.
Nah this person is trying to paint it as racist to say that Korean and Japanese culture are the cause despite literally every study and all research done into it shows it's the culture as the Korean government can't even pay people to have kids.
I literally read up on this shit out of interest lol, it blows my mind that both countries, both of which have fairly good standards of living, have to beg the population to have kids. If that doesn’t scream how bad both cultures are to both parents and kids, then what will ultimately?
They LITERALLY cannot pay people to have kids. The Korean government has tried a ton of different incentive structures to boost fertility rates and none of it worked. The women in Korea themselves explain why and that it's the work culture, the expectations placed on them, and the fact they are
So it’s the household culture
You can't separate workplace, household, and just culture. They all tie into eachother. There's major social expectations on women that women aren't happy with in Korea and so would rather focus on their own career instead of dealing with the negative issues.
Aren’t you agreeing with what the other guy said?
treated like single parents in a marriage.
Good for them if that's the reason. Feeling like a single parent when married is not exclusive to Asian culture.
Yeah, nobody said it was. There's a lot of factors and these countries tend to have very conservative and traditional views of family roles.
That is your interpretation of the data. China is incentivizing birth rates now.
Because the one child policy failed and there’s a disproportionate male to female ratio that forced them to do that? Imagine that
I'm just trying to say that a declining population is world wide in 'first world countries' and picking off particular ones and claiming their 'toxic cultures' to be behind it is erroneous. (we had 3 kids for what it's worth, 2 of them when were very much on the bones of our bums)
'toxic cultures' Nothing racist there
If people are choosing not to have kids to extend it, then how is it not toxic? That’s the crux here.
To be clear, they are TRYING and FAILING. www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/chin... It always boils down to gender inequality and cost of living. It's always culture and social economics.
Posting this under you since they blocked me lol.
OK we should return to the days before free access to contraception when there were families of 5 - 10 kids? It's a world decline, and women are able to consider vocation over having 'One for mum, one for Dad, and one for the country' as one Australian Treasurer infamously suggested.
There's a recent Korean drama called Doctor Cha that dealt with the issues that wives and mothers experience in Korea and it was incredibly popular, likely because it resonated with so many people
You should specify male patriarchy
How many times can I like this?
As often as it needs to be said till they start actually listening to us instead of grinding us down
People around the world don't want to have kids because of the economic climate. What you're referring to isn't a "toxic culture" of Korean or Japanese people, but the crushing effects of late stage capitalism. It just got to Korea and Japan first.
Hey dude do you only become a population expert when it's Asian countries? Tell me about what kind of fuck up in Puerto Rico and Cuba is causing their population crisis too. How about those Italians and Greeks not fucking enough?
Hey dude, no, and go fuck yourself k? Puerto Rico gets hit by hurricanes and Cuba is a hell hole economically that also gets regularly clipped by hurricanes. Italians are literally having the same issues as Japan and Korea where the cultural views towards childcare and taking care of the house are
largely effecting the outcomes. As for Greece, they are recovering only relatively recently from a massive recession in their country where cost of living jacked sky high and they had to have austerity measures placed on them by the EU to bail them out. Fucking moron. Next time you want to swing
around the racism card, make sure you read the full thread you fucking idiot. I already went over this shit elsewhere and you aren't clever enough to actually formulate a real argument. So get hit by a truck.
Hardly facing it. A staunchly anti immigrant party made major gains in recent elections
and the rigid structure inside companies have caused young people to choose to remain childless. South Korea has largely the same problem.
Yes of course. But the gains of anti immigrant parties and policies indicate to me that the populace isn't really facing reality.
Yes, you are right. But old people are less likely to think about far into the future, some do but most don’t. One of the most heart warming things that I have read here on Bluesky was an 84 year old talking about how he had just planted fruit trees. How many people see the greatness of that?
Japan is a rapidly aging nation. So most of its voters are likely old people that have a distorted view of immigrants. The country has had a low birth rate for a long time, like 2 decades plus. The expense of the hyper-competitive education system (parents have to hire private tutors for kids),
Hmm, it might be fairer to say that women are fed up with being manipulated & exploited about being mothers. Why be a mother & dependent upon a man & the patriarchal system when you can SEE that they are just going to grind you up & spit you out? Better to make your OWN money
Woah woah woah! Say less my bags are packed
It also shows you just how much these people just think that all Asian countries are the same and all Asian people are the same because it's obvious they haven't heard about the Ainu.
Whoa!
Anyone who tries to compare immigration policy in America, a country made up of immigrants, to a country like Japan is ignorant.
The 'free markets' crowd (who're no longer free marketeers, surprise surprise) love to go Japan this, Japan that - but nowhere was more dirigiste than Japan, particularly under Nobusuke Kishi, dirigiste des dirigistes.
Also worth noting that Japan is currently in the process of becoming extinct.
As a person with a deep love for japan and find myself homesick even now for a place I dont live, these maga freaks would never ever be able to cut it there.
School shooting seem to be a proud 🇺🇲 tradition, but defend your democracy against a tyrant NO WAY 😱 Enjoy your choices USA Return of the mad King
A christian nationalist in Brazil tried arguing that Japan has super low crime because of the superior culture, only to be hit with, “yes, and it’s actually not christian”. Only 1% of the population is christian and yet these guys love to bring it as an example of strong morals.
Switzerland is a heavily armed country with high rates of gun ownership, ranking among the highest in the world after the US and Yemen. Despite this, there are no mass shootings in Switzerland. This is a cultural and mental health issue.
I agree but a key to bring up is that Switzerland regulates ammunition and keeps track of how much is sold, to whom, and for what purpose. Owning a gun is one thing, but most guns are unloaded most of the time. The culture and mental health are big factors, but so is a measure of control regulation
Isn't Japan kind of fashy
I don't think many of them have been to Japan...
Japan has trains that are for women only, so there are no men to harass them. Japan is superior in just about every way.
I was waiting for someone to bring up the rape culture side of Japan that rarely gets talked about enough. It's....bad. Really bad.
Government provided medicine too
Or Japanese land use!
Also aren't they bringing in - or trying to bring in - more immigrants now because they recognize it's a huge problem for their future prosperity given the low birth rate?
And they are gonna lose a larger number of people than their birth rate will support over the next 20-30 years….there will be very few people left of working age.
Japan dealt with Fascism by not dealing with Fascism in any way whatsoever. Just leaving its legacy for the younger generations to unpack. The system remained virtually unchanged. Imo this is explains everything from the birth rate, Nintendo being weird about IP, and their immigration policy.
Japan has also suffered through decades of extremely slow growth, precisely because of its anti-immigration policies. Bringing in working age people is quite good for producing work, shockingly enough.
It's crazy how a country doesn't want Harry Potter Avadakadava spells just around in the hands of people Even if they have trace elements like stamping a shape into the back of every bullet fired It doesn't stop the bullet getting fired, unfortunately
Japan was particularly pro immigration for the past decade It's changing a bit though with Trump fans gaining ground
“We don’t want no doohickey assassination ‘round these parts, buddy”
Also have people looked at their economy, their science industry, and their rightwing party in power? Homogeneous, non-pluralistic societies do not create the conditions for science to thrive, they harm tech and university-driven economic power, and they lead towards autocracy
Australia also deports illegals. And their minimum wage is $24 an hour. And they have very strict gun laws. We could learn something from Australia.
Not to mention their population decline, which is partially a result of their (completely legitimate) stance on immigration.
"(completely legitimate) stance on immigration" Lol least surprising revelation in the universe that you're Danish
Ad hominem.
I'm not trying to refute your (completely dumb) qualification I'm remarking on how unsurprised I am at learning that you're Danish. Your country has a political consensus centered on the politics of JD Vance I know there's no convincing you to abandon your affinity for ethnic nationalism
"...your affinity for ethnic nationalism." Many liberal Americans prefer the Sanders-way - inclusive rhetoric, anti-refugee-policies - to the Danish way of tough rhetoric and comparatively liberal policies. I see arguments for either side, but not why one is "ethnic nationalism." Care to elaborate?
"Your country has a political consensus centered on the politics of JD Vance..." Danish immigration-politics are to the left of Bernie Sanders. Sanders would be considered radical right on immigration-issues, if he ever ran in Denmark.
PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK. (also yes Bernie Sanders is uniquely awful on immigration relative to the US left I'm well aware of that, but he would not be "radical right" in Denmark. I am not a fan of his but not even he would endorse designating communities as ghettos because they're majority immigrant)
Immigrants in Denmark gets free schooling, free hospitals, paid higher education, unemployment-insurance, and - where relevant - rent support, child support, etc. We treat our immigrants better than any American blue state. Calling our policies "centered on the politics of JD Vance" is wrong.
"...but [Sanders] would not be "radical right" in Denmark." On immigration, he would. On everything else he'd be centre-right. I also think you are mixing up our immigration-policies and our housing-legislation.
no, they're super racist. japan is run by a fascist party.
The LDP is more conservative than anything else. The last conservatives, really.
Japan has also had a stagnant economy going on 35 years now. Immigration is a key driver for economic growth.
I have heard of exactly TWO gun shootings in the 20y I’ve been here: 1 assumed to be yakuza-related in Shinjuku (& even that is SUPER rare), & Abe’s assassination with a homemade weapon. willing to bet money that more shootings than that have happened in the US since I started typing this.
The word "Immigrant" = "Lawfare". Cheers!
Never mind the fact that on the former they have created a doom-spiral where both the demography and economy are decaying at an increasing rate while they are culturally incapable of mitigating their own xenophobia to arrest the decline. Quite a future to look forward to. 🤦♀️
And the socialized medicine.
It’s the same thing with the bible. And the same with everything. Cherry pick contradicting things from any source and glue them together into a sloppy hate ball.
Sure are a lot of American experts on Population commenting here. Be sure to also berate those slavs, euros, and latinos not banging enough to sustain their population like you do Japan and Korea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...
You're mixing up critiques of immigration policies with birth rate hysteria.
Wow places with very conservative views towards gender roles and family dynamics. Just like the East Asian countries we're discussing. Fucking moron.
It’s like they’re religion, it’s buffet style. Choose the part you like, ignore everything else.
Many citizens of modern America do not possess a single cohesive belief system or philosophy; they possess a moral and value system constantly in flux, its only purpose is to justify doing whatever they feel like doing right now.
I’ve never heard this said before and now I will never forget it. It may be a lens I look through now when trying to understand people. Many of the people I surround myself with do not fit into this paradigm, but I am left flabbergasted by many others.
This is what birth-to-grave advertising does to a person. Makes them a low worm you can drag through retail every time you need a few fiat dollars for an earnings report.
There's a holiday every month. ( seems like it) Christmas -> New Year's-> Valentine's Day->St. Patrick's Day->Easter->Memorial Day->4th Of July->"Summer Travel Months"->Labor Day->Halloween->Thanksgiving->Christmas...repeat
'People' certainly did bring it up in the replies, a number of which border on racism.
WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS! Japanese are Japanese. We are a hodgepodge whatnot. That is what makes us great!!!!! Why is this even coming up? So stupid and weird.
America is so flooded with guns, if we cut the spigot off today, we would not see any difference in anyone’s lifetime who is able to read this.
Just ban ammunition.
Have you ever seen the ammo stockpile of a hillbilly?
It will expire eventually
I can only imagine some of the weapon caches children are going to inherit from passing older generations. There not like Beanie Babies that you can just toss.
True
Yeah, Japan is really homo- geneous, for hundreds of years, they only recognized and valued one gender.
So why isn't Britain as peaceful as Japan?
Alcohol kills more people than guns in USA why not ban alcohol. Or stop allowing trans people from owning a gun that may cut down on quite a few mass shootings
even better, ban cis white men from owning guns. that would cut down on 99% of mass shootings
I love what a giant hassle it is to own a a shotgun or air rifle in Japan (aka, the only legal guns): www.theatlantic.com/internationa...
Rolling of suspect into a burrito is the best: “response to violence is never violence, it's always to de-escalate it. What most Japanese police will do is get futons & essentially roll up a person who is being violent or drunk into a little burrito & carry them back to station to calm them down”
“Only six shots were fired by Japanese police nationwide [in 2015]," says journalist Anthony Berteaux. Overton contrasts this with the American model, which he says has been "to militarise the police".
I got a lot of attention from 3 JR railway personell when I was cutting an apple on a Shinkansen ride with a 5cm pocketknife. Don’t do that.
Except Japan depends on labor from Africa and Eastern Europe.
No they don't
Uh... hold on!
Or public transit, or density in cities, or or or
Now is not the time to talk of gun control. A year ago? Sure. But not with an ever-increasing authoritarian regime. Guns might be the only thing that get some vulnerable communities through the next 3 1/2 years. I think all trans people should all be packing heat right now for defense.
or their high speed trains 😭
Last time Japan decided that “foreigners were looting” in an earthquake in 1923 they massacred thousands of Chinese and Korean immigrants because it always isn't the government‘s incompetence at fault but foreigners. We've been through this. Multiple times. Fk those falsifiers
Also two decades of economic stagnation and labor shortages because Japan desperately needs immigrants
💯
Yeah, those folks would just *love* Japan, six ways to Sunday.
Homogeneity does not guarantee prosperity. North Korea, Somalia, and West Virginia are all extremely homogenous, but you seldom see right-wingers loudly expressing jealousy of them. Japan just got lucky thanks to its size and some historical accidents.
Well, pretty sure they are jealous of North Korea, at least vicariously through their own Orange Dear Leader.
Certain segments of the alt-right definitely are, the rest would prefer either Park Chung Hee or Chun Doo Hwan. Widaehan Daetongryong Trump-nim currently has more in common with the latter since he's thuggish, unpopular, and actively suppressing cultural expression.
The problem with Japan is that theyd rather watch their country slowly collapse then have immigrants who aren't perfectly versed on the finer complex points of politeness in their society. Which is a shame; just like their draconian anti-gun laws.
Not to mention Japanese real estate laws. You ain’t gonna get rich flipping houses there.
They don't want you either, filthy gaijin
Also, isn't Japan still kinda struggling to recover from the bubble burst of the 90s? Precisely because that attempt to hew to that homogeneity?
A society in solidarity puts down the sword. 🗡️
Japan's policy of disallowing immigrants has Japan "grappling with a severe labor crisis and economic strain due to a rapidly declining and aging population, driven by record low birth rates." hir.harvard.edu/improved-imm...
Naturalized citizen of Japan here. Japan has a well defined path to citizenship for immigrants and about 10,000 become citizens every year. And children of mixed marriages are citizens of Japan like all others (won’t say there’s never any discrimination against them but not much). 1/
Japan is more culturally homogeneous than the US, and immigrants are expected to learn Japanese to become citizens, but genetically Japanese are a mix of mainly people from all over East Asia with lots of folks from other places mixed in. 2/2
“WhAt AbOuT sHiNzO aBe?!?!” - The dumbest kid in your HS class.
MAGA is a poor fit for a culture founded on politeness, group harmony, and sensitivity to shame
If any fool wants to bring up Japan's homogeneous society, remind them it's collapsing and they are now opening up to immigrants to save themselves.
The Japanese are also very disciplined. Rationalizing must be exhausting for the authoritarian mind, having to cobble together a Frankenstein’s patchwork of values and beliefs with so little to show for it. It’s “follow the leader” and nothing else. An egregious lack of vision and personal agency.
"homogenous" *Stares in Ainu
No, not that part. Just the parts I like. You know the parts.
Japan doesn’t have masked vigilantes without warrants rounding people up. Nor is Japan sending them to Uganda or other places where they have no ties.
Same people who will assume all Asians are good at math and science but will get upset if you want to improve education.
let's talk about isreal's health care system then?
Japan is crawling out from underneath their xenophobic past, slowly but surely.
Uh, so about how that “no immigrants” thing pans out a couple generations down the road…. thediplomat.com/2023/01/japa...
Don't mention universal healthcare or the fact that they are embracing certain types of migration because they understand the declining birth rate and that the predominant faiths intertwine to say respect nature...
They aren't embracing it. They've accepted that they don't have a choice if they want their economy to survive. Japan has some great qualities, but there is still rampant racism due to homogeneity being the only thing many Japanese people have known for so long.
Toughest gun laws in the world. Fewest gunshot victims in the world. Correlation is undeniable.
Anything a MAGA moron brings up is idiocy. Fucking cult of pedos.
Ah, Japan. The country with a special term for dying from overwork.
So does English, and you just used it
Stringing normal words together is not the same as inventing a new word (or the Japanese equivalent of one since their vocabulary is like Chinese, putting characters together to form distinct “words”)
It basically is the same thing though. Japanese doesn't do spaces between words so 過労 and 死 just smash together. Overwork death. Only difference is in English it's grammatically neater to put from in there.
And the smashing creates a new word. English doesn’t do that. It’s not called “workaholitis” or whatever.
Yes. But that's how Japanese works. 私の名前はクレイグです. My name is Craig. it's all together with no spaces.
Right. That’s my point. It’s one word. English doesn’t have one unique term for “death from overwork”.
Yes it does and you just said it. It's not the fact it's a "word" that makes this special in Japanese. They've a word for everything. I could say 過労猫, death from cats and be understood just fine. What is special is that this is so common it has legal recognition unlike in English
That’s “overworked cat”. Still one new word in Japanese, not so in English. Again, my point.
True, replaced the wrong bit. But still it proves my point. An overworked cat isn't a thing of its own. It doesn't need a word just for it. But by the nature of how Japanese works words always mix together. Not 過労死 being so common it needs a word. The word is there even if it never happened.
It's exactly the same. 過 over 労 work 死 death 100% the same.
No. “過労死” is one vocabulary term. Not three.
Sorry you don't understand how the language works.
日: Sun 本: base 日本: Japan, not “sunbase”. New word. Not compounded word with zero original meaning. Sorry you don’t understand how the language works.
I'm ending this conversation after this comment, but if you're going to try to be pedantic about this, you should at least be correct first.
German does this too - who doesn’t love the word schadenfruede? It even popped up in spell check!
The logical equivalent with the Latin alphabet, I think, is claiming there are no unique words because everything comes from the same 26 letters.
The homogeneous society that’s going to homogeneous-ise itself out of existence? (birthrate of 5.8/1000, deathrate of 12.7/1000 and an average age of 49) I know this an oversimplification and a population of 123mil is not going to disappear overnight but still, it’s not good for them
it's always people who have never visited japan too
I once read that Japan is not as homogeneous as Westerners think. It’s that Westerners can’t tell different Asian ethnicities apart.
Labor shortage & cost is often why you often have to order your noodles via shokken (ticket machines). It does allow for a one-man restaurant, which is very impressive. There might even be no waitstaff & no tipping. Sounds great yeah? Median income is ~$39K/yr 💸
People are racist and mean dickheads a lot of the time.
There's a genre of TikTok which détails house squatting in Japan Abandoned homes are very common due to their population crisis
Japan is also worried about their population decrease, when they could just accept immigrants. I think Japan proves you can’t force fucking for the state.
Reminds me of people saying how great it is that nobody talks on Japanese trains, but no mention of why there are women-only carriages.
Why are there women only carriages?
Think about it for a minute.
For our safety. Duh.
Men. Because of men.
Safety, I'm guessing
So I didn't have to ride to work with a man's briefcase in my asscrack
Groping is a big problem
Sexual assault is such a big problem in Japan they had to redefine a pre-existing word (ちかん) for it lmao
There’s a whole vocabulary for harassment and assault indignities women face in that society en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butsuka...
I've got a great idea for a new product in Japan. Purse size cattle prods called Zap-Away.
Hey look Maxico and Brazil also do women only public transport, you talk like a trumpster.
Wow countries that are dealing with massive criminal syndicates also have policies to protect people? Shocking. You aren't making the point you think you are.
You completely missed my point.
or Japan's land use policies