Sorry, thinking your reply was to another post I didn’t realize was yours too. That’s not the point. The person you responded to is bringing up it’s worth it to mention. Like be the important part of this issue. To be sympathetic to the exploited and establishing a line we can move as leftists.
I disagree. Holding ppl accountable for their vote is the pressing issue today. Alabama got what they voted for!
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Here we go again with you shitty assholes. “Those kids in Texas deserved it for being born in Texas”, “those immigrants deserve it because they were in Alabama”, “America as a whole deserves to starve because a portion of the population is too stupid to breathe and our politicians love that”
Nobody said immigrants in AL deserved it. What we said was trump voters decimated their farm industry workforce by voting for trump immigration deportation policy. They got what they voted for and will suffer high grocery bills as a result. Ur just making shit up
Nobody said any of that. What we said was that the ppl who voted against early warning flood systems, against climate change leg, for development in flood areas- got exactly what they voted for. A massive catastrophe involving flooding. Stop lying. Start listening
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So you're saying you want retribution and don't really care much about governing.
No. What I’m saying is I voted for these migrants to be treated w dignity and respect, given fair compensation for their work, healthcare coverage, and work safety provisions. Republicans in Alabama voted to treat them inhumanely and deport them. They got what they voted for.
And I'm reminding you that some 34% of Alabamans voted for the same things you did. They were the minority in Alabama but let me assure you they worked 100x harder than Dems in blue states against impossible odds, gerrymandering, voter suppression, and almost zero DNC support.
Believe me, there is already real suffering in a red state.
You want to "hurt the state" ignoring the reality that the powerful will not feel any pain (they never do) while the weakest / most vulnerable will bear the cost. You are choosing punishment over governance.
Trust me I know. I live in a red state.
It’s like people just forget that actions have effect! Like if we know Republicans rig the system and grab hold when they win, why is it that people forget that when it indeed occurs. Like, it is the same way people forgot schools used to be subsidized… it’s like the past is theory or something.
Republicans don’t govern a fuck about ppl. Only yt xtian nationalist racists.
I hope you’re a bot because you’re sitting on space 1 of a board game screaming and crying while everyone else here is on space 15, 16, 17 and growing. Sad for you.
No ur actually just making shit up
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Listen. I’m the minority in a red state. I face the consequences of actions taken by republicans every damn day. What do i do about it? I constantly remind republicans what shitty ppl they are and exactly what they voted for. I’m not gonna lay down and cry over it. How’s that working out 4 ya?
Baby, I lived in South Carolina for the past five years. You don't win this one. Let me remind you, that you argued in this thread against paying farm workers a decent wage. And buddy, they aren't the voters you are angry at.
Show me where I supported not paying migrants a decent wage wage. Ur just lying now
5 years. Wow. I lived in Texas for 48 years from the Dixiecrats til maga. These ppl whole heartedly voted for a felon/rapist potus, criminal adulterous AG, and numerous pedo child molesters- and supported putting the 10 commandments in our public schools to put the fear of god in gay and trans ppl.
Hurting vulnerable people, many who cannot vote, to hit back at Republicans is not a policy most Democrats agree with. Thankfully..
I’m a minority in a red state. I’m vulnerable. I’m a victim of trump policies. Would u like me to sit back and cry? Or hold trump voters responsible for their actions?
Ok. Let's take a step back. How do you want to hold Trump voters accountable?
Why are you so aggro at folks on your side? This thread started as a request to leftists to start framing these discussions with seeing immigrants as humans first. I spend every second worried about my family cuz ICE. The split in the thread ignores victims. As Dems in red states aren’t unique.
Bc so many progressives are just fucking clueless with their god damn purity tests and holier than thou attitude. It all boils down to 2016 when HRC didn’t earn the vote!
I’m a progressive and like many progressives, I voted for Harris. There are progressive media outlets like Majority Report, like Cool Zone, like Some More News, and so onnnnn who encouraged progressives to vote for Harris because we rather deal with Dems, but what did CNN and NYT do for y’all? 1/3
Did u vote for HRC
This convo didn’t start about that, tho. Y’all’s eagerness to be mean is unhelpful when directed at allies. I went out of my way to talk over reactive Dems to try and encourage new young and old non-voters to vote to mitigate harm, but then Dems chased their loss by platforming transphobia. 2/3
Who’s being mean. Ur just not listening
3/3 Y’all’s cynicism to appeal to Republicans even as you laugh at their misery is odd. Your ability to not know the main difference between you and progressives is what we think actually works is a problem you rather aggravate. Dems lost swing voters, not cuz of progressives. Did CNN help?NYT?
Our point is there are those who did not vote for Trump, who live there! That’s the point! We are worried about the immigrants still there. The Dems still there. For the most vulnerable who were the first impacted as they often are even as they still vote blue even as Dems forget they are there.
I live in TX. I voted for early flood warning systems, restrict development on flood prone areas, fully funded fema for disaster relief. I’m not gonna cry when their kids are killed from their own actions. I don’t care that they can’t get govt help. I just feel bad these kids have shitty parents.
We’re discussing those who didn’t vote for Trump. I’m unsure why it seems otherwise. I can just assume it’s the limitations of this space, but the point is to care for the lives of people who are victims of a cruel government upheld by the loud few and so forth. Red states aren’t just Maga scum.
I didn’t vote for trump. I’m a minority in a red state. I am a victim of trumps and TX republican policies. Do u want me to cry over it and wish maga ppl who voted trump well. WTF are u smoking?
Republicans just say, "Suck it up, buttercup" while they continue to under-educate and abuse their people. If it ain't Drump they're blindly worshipping, it's Jesus. Sorry, but completely turned off religion by the abuse of 'authority', 'religion', and so many pedos in power. Think for yourselves.
This isn’t some board game. These are lives. Immigrants are alive. Not only is that important to know, knowing and saying this will help give people the fight and belief in our leaders we need to defeat Republicans. BTW, for those who could legally vote there, 772,412 voted for Harris.
Republicans don’t give a Fuck. What they care about it their grocery bill. If u don’t tie their vote to their grocery bill and repeated a million times over- they will keep voting R. At least u have some chance of them not voting in 2026 if u can hold them accountable
So what if Republicans don’t give a fuck? We aren’t appealing to them, so why appeal to them? And once again, Dems live there. It wasn’t even half the eligible voters, which is significantly less than their whole pop. This convo is not about reaching Republicans, and it’s not just about Alabama.
A skunk will always be a skunk
No one takes more joy in minorities suffering than liberals on social media. Jesus Christ. You fucking salivate about feeding people to Republicans, it's insane.
That is bullshit. Fucking MAGAs are posing for pictures at Alligator Alcatraz, Dr. Phil is going on ICE raids and ICE is hiring 18 year olds and J6ers. Cut the crap. This is a real crisis, not an online bitch fest.
Nobody loves Fascism more than fucking tankies. STFU
Abby. I am A minority in a red state. So now what. U wanna delete ur post?
Ummm. What?
And how many non-trumpers/Republicans didn't bother to vote or help to push out the vote? Quite a few I'm sure. And us in blue states are also suffering because of what the magas have done and we also have to live with it! How frustrated do you think we are?
You can be mad at Trump voters? You realize that, right? Y’all can be mad at Trump supporters? What do you think of the Dems the South sends to the House? How about the TX Dems trying to stop the steal? Do you not realize people voted for them? Do you realize their are fights you ignore?
Abby, WTF r you spewing? I think u mistaken BlueSky for X dear, No liberal or democrats enjoy or as u say salivate on feeding people to REPUBLICAN SCUM BUT REPUBLICANS DO! Go drink your KOOLAID!
Cool it please. Abby is addressing the weird need of those to eager to forget that there are non-Republicans, non-Trump voters stuck in red states. It’s bizarre behavior, but also painful for those forgotten in those states who vote Blue even as they make voting harder than it already was.
U just described me. What exactly do u want me to do? Sit back and cry? Or hold trump voters responsible for their actions?
New York City liberal here. Talk to your Republican neighbor and explain the fallacy of poor working class people in red states voting for and supporting Republicans. Explain that poor rural states will forever be failures and ranked low on every measure due to Republican policies.
Their vote is tied to their Bible. Dems are baby killers in their book and would b worse.
Yet, it’s your R people that are taking advantage of these workers and paying them a shit wage with no benefits. Your conservatives are the ones causing the suffering, you twit. So get off your high horse and begin to think critically for once.
Immigrants are not the lazy ones lady, and there is no suffering in working hard to make a living
You're seeing a post out of context. This is a response discussing a type of Dem, who'll defend withholding sympathy for non-Trump supporters stuck in red states. A reaction to a reaction that starts with a reply advising that it's worth pointing how bad those jobs are. Immigrants deserve better.
Both Dems & Reps conspired together to use the neoliberalist "Poverty as a Policy Choice" for the last 40 years. 66% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. They work 2-3 jobs on 6-7 days per week. They still can't make rent & buy food for their kids. They skip meals. No time to read news or vote.
Pure bull. The fact is we wouldn’t be here today is the bUT bOtH siDes ppl didn’t sit on the sidelines or vote 3rd party in 2016
If you miss a shift and you become homeless because of this, you had no choice to vote. That is reality.
There are people on this site who either can’t decenter themselves and know the obstacles history built and/or have not lived with negative accounts as they work two jobs so their home isn’t taken away. I wish they’d actually listen to activists in the south, but they don’t care really.
This is very disappointing, and hurtful too, I imagine.
The choice of a genocide by Biden or a genocide by Trump was no choice at all. For folks who had lost 100+ family members under Biden's watch, none of them can be killed again under Trump. Trump is using Biden's policies. reason.com/2025/01/27/t...
Don’t become trapped by this convo. Two false narratives: nonvoters were mostly Palestine protestors, the economy was good (Gini vs GDP shows why swing voters had economy on mine foremost) Dems considered CNN and NYT liberal media even as it centered Biden’s flaws, and yet we’re blamed.
I try not toget too involved. But do the occasional fact check or another viewpoint. Some folks ignore, some engage and some are shocked that they didn't know things. It really is a mixed bag. Thank you for your kind words of wisdom. Much appreciated. I ignored CNN and NYT & looked at Indie media.
Who wrote anything remotely like that?
suffering? As a minority I grew up with a true work ethic. We've never been the lazy wetbacks that you called us. Liberals told you this would happen. They told you Caucasians didn't want the work and lo and behold! Alabamans getting what they voted for and the laborers they deserve.
Are you arguing with the wrong person on purpose
You seem oblivious to the fact that liberals live in Alabama just like they do every other red state. I didn't vote for this shit. I voted for the qualified black lady. Why are you blaming people like me? Are we supposed to convince everyone else in our state to vote like us? How?
Are you reading this post out of context? Abby isn’t saying this in support of Trump. It’s a scold on liberals who forget there are non Trump voting victims in red states.
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Did you just forget I have not been talking about Trump voters. The whole thread is about those who didn’t vote for Trump, but are affected by it! And the point of that sign includes Dems who vote to support Nazis, and Nazi views! That’s what progressives are saying! Always!
U are talking about trump voters when u talk about the consequences of trumps policies on ppl who may not have voted for trump. Ur still talking about trump voters my guy. Just indirectly. How old ru?
U still haven’t answered my question. Ur calling us villains when we are victims of trumps policies. Do u want us to sit back and cry or hold trump voters responsible for their vote?
Yes, there are non-Trumpers in red states. Now is the time for them to step it up and convince the vast majority of Trumpers in their state to switch. If they can't, let them circle the drain with the Trumpers.
have you ever lived in a red state?
No. He's just busy judging them. He's no better than the people he hates. Like many people on this platform, he thinks anyone who lives in a red state votes red, and blames them if they vote blue and haven't convinced everyone else to switch parties. He's a Republican in Democratic clothing.
So, non-trump voters are supposed to convince trump voters that they’re wrong? Pfft. I won’t even converse with or hire these lunatics anymore if I can help it. They’re literally insane and this is a cult. I’m not dealing with cult lunatics. What a fucking expectation!
No. But why are they Dump cultists? How did the non-cultists do it? There must be a loose thread out there that needs to be unraveled.
No
I have and most of the white people there are terrified of real talk, or the truth. You're meant to stay quite and keep the peace rather than stand up and rock the boat. I get in arguments everytime I go back to Kentucky to see my family cause the people there are morons.
Ah, yes, "convincing Republicans to change their mind". Super easy, barely an inconvenience, huh? Have you ever attempted that Sisyphean task?
I understand it’s a difficult task. But if you live in a red state and your situation is dire, you have to get that done. All I can suggest is different people should try different approaches. What works for person A may not work for person B.
Eric, friend, I hear your calm response and I appreciate it as most people responding to me just want allowance to be lazily mean to people in red states, but may I recommend slowing down. Do you know the paper we’re talking under is from a red state? People know and are working. Go look. Read.
I lived in a conservative county. Once I was old enough, I left. I plan to send my kids to college overseas. Alabama blue, send your kids out of Alabama no matter how! Find any way you can! Scholarships, early jobs, whatever it takes.
I'm really tired of people not understanding we live in this country with the people you are talking about. How have you not yet understood they use your position and theirs to make sure all of us suffer, regardless of how we vote? Are you truly unable to understand this?
A lot of these people seem completely oblivious to the fact that members of all political parties live in all 50 states, and that when they wish bad things on people living in red states, they're wishing them on Democrats as well as Republicans. They would happily throw us away.
They are cultists, yelling at cultists, hoping the audience thinks they are winning an imaginary game.
Who are cultists? Who is they
You’re being a Karen right now, just listen. Their whole point is that the republicans don’t give a fuck about decency so we need to appeal to what they care about so we can drag this country back from the brink of fascism. Then maybe we can pass better laws!
And I forgot to add - They need to put their hand on the stove to learn. Let them! It’s not fair the rest of us have to suffer but nothing else has worked. They need to feel the pain.
Are you reading this post out of context? This isn’t about Republicans, this is about people trapped in Red states! Y’all bring up Republicans systematically stealing seats and then forget that’s what happened and happens in the south! Like can we understand that non-Republicans live there too?
Ofc dems live in deep red states. I am one. But instead of smothering Nazis w kindness- I am holding them accountable for their votes!
No, it's not. they were referring to people in red states who didn't vote for Harris. I went back and checked.
Yeah that’s not it. We’ve just come to the realization that talking common sense to these people is pointless. They have lost touch with reality. So feeling the consequences of their actions is the only thing that hasn’t been tried. Let them feel it. Make them feel it. Its not something to avoid
Exactly. Y is this so hard to understand? How did we become the villains?
Until you pierce the bubble they’ve been pickling in they will just keep doing what they’re doing. Not sure why it’s controversial at all to make them feel the consequences of their vote. That by the way, ALL Dem and GOP voters suffer through daily.
Exactly. Thank u! Apparently the controversy arises for the lack of overt sympathy for innocent victims of trumps policy. Like when children drown from flooding in Texas even tho their parents voted for no early warning systems, development in flood areas, defunding fema
I want people to reap what they sow. I cheer it on. This is not about that. It’s wild how I keep saying this, but not understood. The initial post isn’t about Republicans. It’s about those stuck with them. The people who didn’t vote for Trump who live in red states. Holding sympathy for them.
So ur holding sympathy for me bc I’m a non trump voter trapped in deep red state. I’m also villain bc I hold no sympathy for those like me. U don’t know if I should sit back/cry or hold trump voters accountable bc that’s retribution not governing——this is why u aren’t understood. U make no sense.
You’re calling yourself a villain. You throw names and charges and yet they are your actions. And yeah I pity you because you’re stuck with shitty leaders, and yeah I find you a jerk for thinking non-Trump supporters not deserving of sympathy? It’s that simple. Go fight Trump supporters not me.
This is about Libs forgetting that libs live in red states. That lot of immigrants live in red states. That POC are stuck in red states. That places have been gerrymandered and red lined, and people forget this when cheering on pain in red states. People forget non-Trump voters live there too.
How can I forget. I’m a non trump voter is a deep red state. A victim of republican and trump policies. But u keep ignoring that bc u want to make me the villain. And u refuse to answer this question. Do u want me to sit back and cry? Or hold trump voters accountable for their vote?
We're not ignoring that and we're not making you the villain. You might be collateral damage, though. And, what's the question again?
There’s no problem in this country too big or too small that y’all can’t find to blame on “De Libz” JFC grow up
It literally is… it literally is about the libs who do this in response to someone doing it. Prefer to not dig for context?
We haven't forgotten that. We are fully aware that there are non-Trumpers in red states. So do your part and then some. Convert a dozen Trumpers into being non-Trumpers.
I don’t live in the south anymore. My family does, but why assume we aren’t proactive? Why assume beyond what is said here? The response is a response you agree with, so what’s the disagreement? Would appreciate some hesitation in assumptions. What’s your goal, sincerely?
I don’t see any change. Proactivity without results is meaningless.
I don’t see why one has to “both sides” every advertisement. Democrats can’t do anything for people in red states. The only way to make change is for them to win elections. It is that simple. You’re putting the cart before the horse. We need people in power who see immigrants as people.
Look, this isn’t a vague both sides, this is a care about non-Trumpers in red states discussion. The TX Dems attempting to prevent Abbott’s redistricting? They have Dem voters, right? Focus on those Dems, not the thieves. We can embark on a debate on what is helpful, but that’s a diff discussion.
You’re talking about immigrant/migrant labor pay & benefits in Alabama in response to Alabama farmers talking about their issue being not having any labor at all. That’s because the federal government decimated their workforce. How would talking about better pay & benefits go if your those farmers?
I have no idea what you’re talking about with Texas. Minority turnout in Alabama has been falling and if I recall correctly, conducted elections with an illegal gerrymander & a variety of turn-out suppression. Pushing back on the gerrymander of TX by fighting fire with fire is the same fight.
Alex, chump got 1.4 million Alabama votes…this is what they voted for, let them enjoy this shit sandwich.
1.4 million out of 3,798,039 million eligible voters out of documented 5,157,699 people voted for Trump, so everyone must suffer. Like, why? Why is that important to you? Do you just not care? Like you people are weird.
U must not live in the south. Calling yourself a Christian and voting republican gives u a license to be a shitty person. Ur not gonna change them my guy. Ur gonna hold them accountable and let them pull themselves up by their bootstraps when the economy crashes.
Omg, guy, please slow and read or let go of assumptions? I don’t care about the Republicans there! And I was born in the south. Still have family in the south. JFC, buddy! Numbers game: If it was based on party registration numbers, would Trump have won TX: factually.co/fact-checks/...
Elections have consequences Alex…I stopped caring when way too many of our fellow citizens decided to put the felon and racist back in office, as if his first term wasn’t fucking bad enough. Also, the left need to get over this purity politics bullshit, if it’s Newsom for ‘28, LFG!
While I don’t disagree with the sentiment about people’s lives, it feels like some states and our nation just needs to go through some stuff before we learn anything. Farmers disproportionately voted for this.
They did go through it. They are going through it. I am from the south. I have family generations in the south. Friends with generations in the south. We are all POC. We did and are going through it! Know this, Republicans won those states and they are doing the things they need to stay in power.
Where exactly do u live.
Sad to hear for those going thru it.But until plurality chooses otherwise, it’s going to con’t. I lived in the south for 3 yrs, and I can’t remember how many times I had conversations that felt like the mass mindset (not powerful people) made decisions to their own detriment.
Unless u live in the south- it’s tough for ppl to comprehend. I’ve had so many disagreements w blue state dems that are so stuck in their bubble and just clueless
This is true also. Perspective and nuances can be learned by living in very different communities.
I'm from Alabama, and I voted straight democratic ticket with Kamala Harris!
I’m from Texas and did the same. But the state of Texas did not. So we got what we voted for with kids getting killed from the flooding that was highly preventable if gop rules wasn’t in place in TX for 3 decades combined w two trump terms
Did they? Harris cheated out of 3,650,000 votes by these Jim Crow tricks. 4.7 million voters purged. 3.2 million registrations rejected. 2.1 million mail-in ballots tossed. See tinyurl.com/28futdwr
Yes they did. Just like Texas. The trump voters running these states need to take accountability for their actions
Amen!!
No one in this thread disagrees with this, by the way. This person knee jerk reacted and then either didn’t realize we weren’t talking about Trump supporters or really does think non-Trump supporters stuck in those states don’t deserve sympathy.
Pure bull. I told u that now is the time to hold trump supporters accountable for their actions. Kids drowned in Texas bc Texas voters were more concerned about them identifying as cats at school. It doesn’t mean I’m not concerned about kids - I’m showing trumpers the damage they have caused.