Oh this! The Democrats embracing genocide and not fighting it took away so many of the people who usually help on policy stuff. Like people are all up in arms about who everyone voted for but what really hurt them is the lack of organizers
Oh this! The Democrats embracing genocide and not fighting it took away so many of the people who usually help on policy stuff. Like people are all up in arms about who everyone voted for but what really hurt them is the lack of organizers
you're too nice. Project 2025 was a centerpiece of the Dem Convention. Blame everyone and all the legacy media for not jumping in on it. We read it in my house by April 2024. But then, we have queers, disabilities, neurospiciness among my family members & one of us is always alert to being targeted.
What would the world even look like if Obama hadn't immediately turned his back on his organization when he took office? Not because he ever was good, but to acknowledge that the DNC has betrayed common people at every opportunity presented to it. One choice, repeated again and again, towards chaos.
I have to ask this - wasn't it possible to multitask and focus on more than one issue? The complete ignoring of the serious threat of Project 2025 can't just be waived away like this. That's my opinion anyway
I think that most organizers recognized the threat of it but time is limited and a genocide was happening at the same time that needed an organized opposition
Given the current Project 2025 carnage, I can't help but think that that was a serious error.
Given the current carnage, it looks like Harris refusing to condemn an ongoing genocide & commit to doing what she could to stop it, including refusing to arm it, was a serious error. Take it up with her.
I don’t think that opposing a genocide was at all an error- I think more people should have done it and the grave error was they chose not to
I am saying that ignoring Project 2025 was the error. Democrats don't exist in a vacuum. Republicans also have agency.
Sure but the reason why they didn’t have as many organizers working on it was because a lot of them were organizing against a genocide they were backing.
Given the current circumstances, that choice ultimately didn't work out. I'm not saying that trying to influence Democrats on Gaza was wrong, but certainly a cost/benefit analysis had to be done with respect to choosing to ignore GOP goals and the consequences of their implementation.
Id say the choice to continue backing a genocide didn’t work out for the Democrats
One thing I'd add to my statement above - the Biden administration did manage to get the current Israel/Hamas ceasefire agreement going.
Kiddo, the democrats were supporting major planks of project 2025 in 2024.
Then the democrats probably should have stood on some principles instead of telling their organizers to fuck off.
there is a reason why I pivoted from federal political organizing to hyperlocal organizing after seeing what the party did to progressive candidates in California and what they continue to do
The Democrats shot themselves in the foot all over the country with one unforced error after the next, but it was the fault of voters that their candidate lost, amirite? theintercept.com/2024/11/04/a...
They cannot fail; they can only _be_ failed.
They aren't failing. They're playing their assigned role, fascist adjacent, fascism enablers. "Yet in the face of this onslaught, amid this existential battle, Jeffries & Schumer display little sense of urgency...The same goes for many other elected Democrat[s]." www.motherjones.com/politics/202...
True, but I was referring specifically to their relationship with voters.
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I usually phone bank. I usually sign up to drive physically disabled people to the polls. I usually make voter guides. I did none of that thus time.
I started volunteering with the A. Phillip Randolph foundation helping register people in poor and Black areas of Louisville when I was 12 and since then had been an active supporter for Democrats until 2020, and even then I supported Biden. Never again.
Well only briefly. But my time doing it was bonkers
Oh hey louisville organizer gang
Yooooooo!
liberals just claim that everyone protesting genocide was a Russian psyop. they never learn!
It was. It was a part of the Trump campaign. It was obvious who was better on Gaza and it wasn't even close. Netenyahu and Trump got exactly what they wanted from the far left who worked for Trump and now will get their ethnic cleansing. If you still can't see that by now this country is hopeless.
and yet Biden continued to send Israel blank checks even after knowing that he and Harris would lose if they didn’t stop. seems like they decided they’d rather lose to Trump than stop supporting genocide!
Biden was bombing babies Robinson
You're a stupid liar
where's the lie
You
Some light morning reading for your leisure www.google.com/search?q=bid...
You seem to have replied to the wrong comment.
Nope.
Now I see it!! Apologies. (You responding to yourself threw me)
Yeah I know it can be confusing, but it was just an addition to my first reply.
You're just like maga
*fails to disprove anything* Project harder, bud
Maybe read about what the Biden administration did. www.propublica.org/article/bide...
You do realize Biden himself told us this right bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-roo...
Your comments on this thread demonstrate that this is utter projection on your part, child. Take the L, grow a moral center, and move along.
it is a factually accurate statement, Robin
Yeah ok he just supplied the bombs, and money, moral support & Propaganda someone else did the actual dropping
Benjamin Netenyahu was bombing babies. Biden tried multiple ways to make it stop. But Biden was absolutely not going to endanger the US/Israel relationship because Biden understood that that relationship made Americans safer and Americans were 100000x more important to him.
how does losing the election to Donald Trump make Americans safer
The same way that arming a genocidal regime that constantly drags the US into conflict in the Middle East makes us safer: Not at all.
> Biden tried lol
Netanyahu's corruption, anti-democratic policies, and war crimes do not make anyone under the sun safer.
Please ask yourself what he would do without US support? What would Iran do? Try to think in more than one dimension.
He would go to prison, preferably at the Hague, like he is supposed to do. If trump joins him, then perhaps we can have a President who is committed to democracy and human rights who will achieve a treaty with the Iran, I'm co-operation with other countries. Then, we can put Putin in his place.
I frankly don't give a flying shit whether the US survives as such, as long as a democracy is reinstated along with a commitment to human rights. As for Israel, with Netanyahu and the other corrupt genocidal fucks in prison, the people of Israel will have a chance to install a gover... You get it.
Without US support there would not be a settler colony
True. There also would not be Israel only highways through the west bank. Israel was a mistake, I agree, but it exists now, and what would it do without US support?
Even that has become more complex in recent years, as more countries in the Middle East have been forging alliances with Israel. What I hope for is an Israeli government that is much more committed to democratic and humanitarian values, and a fully sovereign Palestinian one with the same values.
It's also a base of American hard power in the Middle East. That has a lot of value for the people trying to keep world order and trying to keep America at the top of the pile of nations.
Oh an objectively bad thing?
Huh. This sounds like something a fascist would say
Iran is what it is today precisely due to U.S. interference in its affairs. It is a *reaction* to U.S. imperialism that pushed it down that road. Before it was a functioning democracy whose PM wanted to nationalize its oil so that the people profited, but Britain and the U.S. couldn't stand that!
You talk like one who thinks they've acquired all this conventional wisdom, but all you do is reveal yourself for the historically illiterate fool you are. A lot of the enemies we faced, and face right now, were of the U.S.'s own reckless foreign policy in the Cold War and War on Terror especially.
America First!
"endanger the relationship" There it is Fuck them kids they gotta die
And yes, voting for Trump because of Palestine is in fact the dumbest thing you will be able to do in your entire life. Now every horrible thing he does is your fault.
wait, on this metric of "special relationship", why is voting for Trump bad? I can use the same words you used earlier in the thread: "Trump is the cause of the current peace deal (which is fact) but fundamentally, much like Biden, he prioritizes America's special relationship with Israel"
A. That's Biden's deal. B. Trump offered to ethnic cleanse Gaza himself with American troops. C. You're a credulous moron.
No one voted for Trump here weirdo
They can’t make the case for it being our fault unless they have lefties voting for trump (which isn’t a thing)…so they lie
Could have fooled me.
that doesn't surprise me; you seem extremely easy to fool
Well, let's not pretend that's hard to do in your case.
apnews.com/article/trum... Let's not pretend that's hard to do in your case.
Oh, I see. You think I'm Arab. Dumb ass racist.
Bet you say that a lot
As the saying goes, fools are easily fooled.
Huh. That's interesting. Well enjoy Trump.
Again ppl like this want to be obnoxious about GENOCIDE SUPPORTERS but won’t talk to their WHITE FAMILIES AND WHITE PEOPLE in general who have repeatedly supported Trump. Racists love ignoring the obvious and it’s pretty damn stale.
I'm sure you have the privilege to.
source?
LOL no he didn't! It has not made American safer! Are you stupid?
"some babies need to explode and it's either going to be Palestinian or American babies" is just a completely deluded argument. Hope you're just as good at physical gymnastics
"Made America safer"?? That's the most racist fucking thing I've ever heard. You need the rabid dog apartheid state to keep you safe from the scary Muslims?? Get the fuck out of here You hated Dearborn long before you decided they gave you Trump. The only one enjoying trump here is you.
I guarantee you that the terror and death we helped unleash on Gaza is absolutely going to blow up in our faces. Israel made itself and us thousands of implacable enemies.
I sincerely hope that the world is made to recognize the hell on earth we have created in Gaza and regrets it with the same intensity they regret the holocaust, but until they do recognize it nothing will change.
What were these “multiple ways”? Was it when he provided bombs unconditionally and regardless of how they’d be used? Or when he instructed officials to bury reports of war crimes?
Also, he let Israel murder multiple Americans in Gaza so clearly American lives weren’t that important to him.
He literally provided weapons to Israel for the expressed purpose of aiding their genocide. Don't lie to us, we all know better.
Biden tried to make it stop by...*checks notes*...continuing to arm Israel. Riiiiiight.
If you're going to pontificate on what Biden did and did not do, you should at least check to see if you're wrong first. www.propublica.org/article/bide...
Why must you defend the horrid actions of the biden administration? You should be enraged that who you voted for refused to listen to the American people. Harris lost bc she ran a bad campaign & didn't convince enough people to vote for her. She ignored her voters.
Harris lost because she was black and a woman. Can you honestly think her campaign was worse than Trump's? Biden prioritized America in ALL of his decisions. Israel, Ukraine, everything. He did what was best for Americans. But he did care about Palestinians. He was never going to denounce Israel tho
> lost because she was black and a woman no it’s because she ran an awful campaign. my god can’t you libs ever take responsibility for your actions?
So you're saying an honest discussion of Arnold Palmer's dick and really disgusting racist trash about Haitian immigrants should be the central message of a successful campaign?
Or are you just another credulous magat? Enjoy your president, I'm sure this will be the one time the conman helps out his marks.
NEVER!! It's always someone else's fault. There's absolutely no accountability and they never adjust their platform.
Biden was also going to lose
For the exact same reason Harris did, democrats don't listen to voters.
If Americans really cannot elect a black woman then why did the Dems chose one to be their presidential candidate?
Would you advise any major political party to nominate a venal vindictive dementia addled pedophile rapist felon liar scumbag? You may be fool enough to believe a majority of Americans wouldn't vote for an actual walking bag of dog shit and you would be wrong.
Why is it US government policy to support an Apartheid nation?
No that is an excuse used. She didn't run a good campaign. She would've had the votes is she listened to voters, but she didn't. That's on her and the democrats.
What nonsense. "If only someone would listen to me the world would be a better place" Childish. Do you even know anything about the country you live in? It's a racist misogynist place. We had nationwide BLM protests just a few years ago and the civil rights movement just 60 years ago.
But people aren't racist. Listen to the voters. Lol what a sad joke your life experience must be. Go leave the house and look at some Americans. I suggest an Applebee's out of sight of all the tall buildings. Then tell me how those people would have voted for Harris if she just listened to them.
Lmao are you where the billion dollars of consultant money went cause that explains a few things
I'm a vet, I've had plenty of experience this country has to offer.
Speaking of Black people, we watched the Republicans demonize both us & trans people 2020 - 2024 while Democratic party just sat there and let them do it. It would've been nice if the party we voted for in 2020 stood up for us while they had power. I guess it was a sign of things to come...
Not only let them do it, but appealed to them by going back on everything they said they’d do to help us while begging our votes to begin with. Black voters flipped Georgia blue for him and he immediately had his DOJ help state prosecutors slap many of those same organizers with RICO charges.
And what did the democrats do right away? They increased the funding for the police, continued to provide military tactical equipment and did nothing with the continued state violence against Black and Brown people. Democrats do nothing but make it easier for fascists to take control.
Lol, of course I know, I was/am OTG, where were you? A Government for the People by the People. ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS. That's why the were elected.
Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.
"better on Gaza" is an incoherent take. No one wants to measure degrees of genocide
This is a morally disgusting argument One more dead person makes a huge difference to that person and it's your moral duty to save as many people as possible You're a terrible person
you are defending Joe Biden who continued to unaccountably send Israel weapons in the face of their war crimes. we wanted him to stop and you didn't help us stop him. please shut your mouth forever
The far left created a bad faith purity test and as a result did everything they could to elect Trump, enable ethnic cleansing in Gaza and killing as many Palestinians as possible Screaming "genocide" while actively supporting the worst outcome just makes you look like you have a mental illness
You’re a genocide denier. You know what happens to genocide deniers?
we didnt support the worst outcome. we wanted Harris to stop doing a genocide so she could persuade a lot of a people to vote for her. you act like we all held a conference.
Yes you did "We wanted Harris to stop doing a genocide" why do you write sentences that could only come from someone who is mentally ill?
why is it mentally ill to want a candidate for President of the United States of America to stop supporting a genocide? i mean, you know, aside from the fact that America has a long history of supporting and committing genocide
Bestie what the actual fuck are you talking about?? Wanting to see the White house distance itself from what is WIDELY acknowledged to be an American backed and funded genocide is actually probably the most normative foreign policy stance you could ask for..
it felt like a reasonable ask to me, too.
@robinsonreynolds.bsky.social I noticed you never replied to this but instead chose to reply to people you think you can split hairs with. Maybe u could address why you think "wanting the white house to publicly distance itself from an American backed and funded genocide" is a weird voting stance?
its not our fault we're better at predicting elections than democeats
that "purity test" would have saved you from losing
Nah the far left would have moved the goalposts again and again cause it was just an extension of the Trump campaign. 2000, 2016, 2024 the far left has a beautiful legacy of screwing over the country with bullshit temper tantrums that they always regret.
Yeah man George W Bush was great Keep arguing that
2000 the election was stolen by SCOTUS. 2016 the DNC internally torpedoed a broadly popular candidate in order to coronate Clinton who ran a campaign predicated on peeling rightwing suburban voters from Republican districts - a losing gambit. 2024 Democrats decided to run it back again.
2000 was only stolen by Scotus cause Florida was so close because of Ralph Nader. 2016 Bernie lost fairly cause the base of the party (Black women) didn't support him.
For some reason you braindead liberals hold the contradictory beliefs that: A) the “far left” is a demographic big enough that it has repeatedly lost Democrats national elections, and B) that it is too insignificant to ever be courted on the broadly popular policy it hinges its voting leverage on.
You wouldn't know bad faith if you were an Israeli managed persona
You don't seem to know how to speak English
"it's your moral duty to save as many people as possible..." Why does this not apply to the democrats sending weapons to Israel? Was it not their moral duty to cut Israel off and limit their ability to make more dead Palestinians?
It's our duty to save as many as people as possible by voting the way you like is a classic liberal lie Biden had no responsibility to stop delivering bombs because only some of these people count
Do climate change next What difficulty setting do you want your great-grandchildren to play real life FrostPunk on?
lolololol you sure are wringing your hands and crying a lot for a genocide denier
You're just embarrassing as a person, you know? Grow up
Tell that middle part to the Biden administration, who quite literally armed the perpetrators of this genocide while telling you they wanted to stop it.
I mean in this election there was Harris on the ballot who was means less Palestinians killed and a check on Netenyahu and Trump who meant ethnic cleansing and a free hand to Netenyahu. The far left did everything they could to elect Trump.
"a check" Go fuck yourself
"I want to kill as many Palestinians as possible over my hissy fit" -you, a "moral" person
How does Harris mean less Palestinians killed when she said she wasn't going to do anything differently than Biden, who was nothing but a doormat for Netanyahu? How are you this obtuse and morally bereft?
Because Trump is worse even than Biden. He's literally promising and working for a complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza Do you not read the news? Or do you get all your info from Chinese propaganda?
Remove the names. One person armed and supported a genocide. One person has said they want to deport people. Which is worse? As for the news, you might wanna read it: www.propublica.org/article/bide...
this is a really wild argument for a genocide denier to make lmfao
robin i'm starting to think your beliefs are entirely incoherent and you simply adapt them to whatever political position you hold
If only there was something the beautiful, perfect Democratic Party could've done to take away the effectiveness of this dastardly plot by the evil, cunning Republicans. Oh well, I guess we'll never know!
This is what always gets me. These clowns point this shit out like it's some dastardly plot to get people to vote third-party or stay home, but it's the easiest plot to disarm: Just don't do a genocide. Boom! All "Russia's" hard work creating an anti-genocide movement to help the Right is wasted.
Oh, to inhabit this wretched liberal mindset where “group them up and bomb/starve them all” is somehow superior to moving them all out. A black hole wouldn’t be powerful enough to keep the barrel from my teeth.
Incorrect on every point
Lmao Like a trained poodle running out to lick the boot
"If you still cannot agree with my blinkered dogshit opinion about who you are and what inspired your actions then the country is lost." Give it up man, your day is so done.
They literally were doing that. To even express displeasure meant you were a Russian bot.
They're doing it here now, in this thread 😭
I really hope that no amount of organizing could persuade us to vote for that.
I don't recall Democrats embracing genocide. There is a distinction between the Palestinian people and Hamas. Nobody supports Hamas; everyone supports the Palestinian people. Hamas is not a legitimate government and the Palestinian people are it's victims. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
Dems did everything they could to bolster Bibi's ethnic cleansing, short of nukes or boots on the ground. Biden has the blood of innocents on his hands, and so do you by ignoring the reality of the situation.
I support Hamas
You can’t kill hundreds of thousands of civilians with bombs and claim you had any goals other than ethnic cleansing.
This is very convenient for you, a genocide denier
This is like David Irving claiming that Hitler didn't know about the Holocaust.
How? Explain.
Because Biden knew in like a month that Israel was bombing hospitals with the money and weapons he was giving them, and then he kept giving them money and weapons until literally his final week in office.
.....are you kidding with this stupid shit? This is one of the most clueless, braindead things that could POSSIBLY be written by any human being who's paid attention for the last year. You don't even understand the PROBLEM let alone any solution. For fuck's sake...
"I don't recall Democrats embracing genocide." This is what embrace looks like "Other analysts—Linda J. Bilmes, William D. Hartung, and Stephen Semler, from Brown University—have reported [PDF] that Israel received $17.9 billion in U.S. military aid during this period" www.cfr.org/article/us-a...
That's because you're blue maga.
Israel is not making that distinction and if we give them weapons neither are we
"I don't recall Democrats embracing genocide." Biden spent more than a year unilaterally sending Israel the weapons and blocking any UN resolutions to condemn Israel's actions. Who cares if YOU don't recall it? That just means you're ignorant and weren't paying attention.
www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250224-icc...
You don't recall Democrats embracing Genocide. But we all recall Democrat Party Leadership unabashedly doing so because it is ancient, corrupt, and values donors over constituents. Like Haim Saban. mondoweiss.net/2023/09/bide...
mondoweiss.net I'm sure it's legit.
forward.com/news/356059/...
Tons of info on Haim Saban scripting Dem Israeli policy with AIPAC everywhere, as he donates millions to the Dems. idahonews.com/news/nation-...
Uhhuh. Very legit actually. www.timesofisrael.com/major-jewish...
theintercept.com/2018/06/20/h...
Yes, they are. And theyre not alone in reporting it. www.haaretz.com/us-news/2022...
Shut the fuck up
So, @preciouslarue.bsky.social , has your stance changed any in light of the facts you've been given, or are you just discarding them because they are uncomfortable and inconvenient?
Why is Hamas not a legitimate government?
Is that why Biden sent $25 billion in weapons to kill tens of thousands of Palestinians?
Democrats embraced genocide for 15 months.
Are the Palestinian people also, perhaps, victims of an out of control Israeli military, funded and armed by the US?
Oh shut the fuck up
Actively sending money and weapons to a country bombing it's civilian neighbor population is, indeed, "embracing genocide".
Precious....'There is a distinction between the Palestinian people and Hamas. Me.... Yes, just as there is a distinction between the American populace and the U.S. military. Palestine has as much right to DEFEND themselves as any other nation of people has. Certainly more so than their oppressors.
I say they have even more right to defend themselves due to the fact they are defending themselves against many decades of lethal oppression.
Genocide of the Palestinian people, abetted by the policy of the United States that is supported by Democrats in office, including the last president. Bombing a community, herding the survivors into camps, and then bombing the camps is not an action "against Hamas".
Hamas is the problem. They started it, remember? Of course you don't. But Hamas uses the Palestinian people as shields. Both Israel and Hamas have blood on their hands.
Wow you really do live up to the ignorant American stereotype. This was long before Hamas even existed: youtube.com/shorts/e76wc...
About that: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli...
Netanyahu should be in prison for many reasons. He is not a good guy. But it doesn't take away from the fact that Democrats don't support genocide.
Except they did
You are entitled to your opinion even if it's provably false. I'm done.
Did the Democrats send bombs to Israel?
To believe this, you'd either have to believe that 1. Biden and co. didn't know what Israel is doing or 2. Israel's actions -- shooting children, destroying hospitals, schools, and water treatment facilities, refusing to allow humanitarian aid, etc. -- don't constitute genocide. Which is it?
funny how there's no response to this one, huh
They flounced as I was typing it.
When did "it" start, in your estimation
how long has Israel been unlawfully stealing Palestinian land and ending Palestinian lives, and how long has Hamas existed?
I think Precious is doing a 'my party right or wrong' dance and just doesn't want to acknowledge the deep entanglement of Democratic politicians and strategists in the genocide in Palestine.
Nah, the consensus view of international law, the UN and all the world's leading human rights organisations are that it's genocide. Embracing this sort of extremism why millions of people stayed at home rather vote Biden.
The problem is 100% with your recollection. Facts: Genocide Joe Biden LIED about seeing beheaded babies to foment genocide. Genocide Joe vetoed ALL 3 UN ceasefires for Gaza Biden ARMED the genocide & defended the war criminals AGAINST ICC (which is itself a war crime). You love war criminals.
I remember Democrats embracing genocide. I remember Biden sending thousands of massive bombs to drop in the people you hate. I remember Democrats defending Biden's genocide. I remember Democrats blaming anti-genocide activists for the defeat of their pro-genocide Democrat candidates.
"I remember Democrats embracing genocide". Who? Name names. Provide quotes.
Joe Biden. President.
www.bbc.com/news/article...
What do you think arming the country carrying one out and spouting their talking points is?
Biden wasn't perfect but everyone - the entire world - said that Israel had the right to defend itself after Hamas invaded. You guys supported trump either outright or by attacking Biden. You played yourselves. trump tower Palestine could be a reality. trump is dancing on Palestinian graves.
Imagine yourself saying Germany has the right to defend itself in 1939. That’s how you sound to people who aren’t in your little cult.
Who attacked Germany in 1939?
Good point. The Warsaw Ghetto uprising was a few years later.
Everyone has a right to defend themselves. No one has a right to do a genocide. Biden did a genocide and you supported that. You guys helped Trump by being disgusting, genocidal, rightwing racists.
Because it was literally just months ago. We need to start viewing people who are lying to us about the horrors we spent a year and a half watching as collaborators and enemies because they are doing it in support of their own political agenda.
"The Democrat party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
It really is this kinda shit. Growing up I thought that dystopian fiction were simplistic allegories. Naw… naw motherfuckers are actually living it page for page, line by line.
Speculative fiction does a better job of describing our world than literary fiction. Or indeed, non-fiction.
And all that speculative fiction taught me that these are the people who point fingers or end up in a uniform.
I don't know what you're talking about, choom. Now let's go on a run against a megacorp while dodging ICE so we can afford medical care from a ripperdoc.
I’ll grab my Flipper so we can detect and disable equipment when we need.
In under 60 seconds I summarize the seditious and traitorous crimes of the current administration. I don't make the rules, I just explain em. Someone had to say it; now The People have to spread it. bsky.app/profile/scoo...
Did you also make a video describing Biden's complicity in genocide?
I support Hamas and my favorite part about them is when they were duly elected
a whole fuckload of folks very vehemently do *not* support the Palestinian people even for show, and many others claim to but excuse their slaughter with "well, you see, Hamas"
they rightfully fucking you up in the replies. i'm just here to add this.
How does that prove that Democrats, as a party, support genocide? It doesn't.
you looking at 50 receipts and can't add them together that's on you babe.
bsky.app/profile/momm...
OK. That's how you see it. Fair enough. But that doesn't prove that Democrats support genocide. It does prove that you think it proves Democrats support genocide. I can live with that. But Democrats don't support genocide. In all likelihood, some do. It's not part of the platform and most don't.
*4 dozen examples of democrats directly supporting genocide* "that's how you see it, fair enough" lmaoo
They sent bombs to people doing a genocide so what they believe in their hear is irrelevant
It seems like you would only say the dems are committing genocide if they have a plank in their platform saying we support genocide. They were shoveling weapons to Israel as they were committing war crimes. The dems took pics with Netanyahu when he should have been arrested. We believe what we saw.
israel called the UN hamas. they called food hamas. They made loads of totally baseless accusations against anyone critical of anything they did and called em hamas. The palestinian people were victims of the people who dropped bombs on them
"Nobody supports Hamas" and "everyone supports the Palestinian people" are both just empirically false. If the first one was true Hamas wouldn't be able to exist; and if the latter was true, nobody would kill tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians.
Average white, Neoliberal Democrat prefers non-white, non-Westerners who've been brutally murdered, colonized, and ethnically cleansed for nearly 80 years to lay down and die.
I support Hamas
Then you have a very bad memory. They fed weapons into the conflict knowing that Israel was killing a ton of innocent people. They knew and kept doing it.
Hamas is the legitimate government. The Al-Qassam Brigades have a 90+ approval rating in Gaza. They are the military branch of Hamas. The idea that Hamas isn't a legitimate resistance to the Apartheid and Oppression of the Palestinian people is entirely a Western Liberal fantasy.
The Western liberal permits Palestinians to resist genocide by dying obediently. But fighting back against genocide is just a step too far.
Hamas didn't kill 80,000 Palestinians, though. Hamas hasn't even killed that many Israelis in its entire history. Israel's stated goal is the removal of the Palestinian people from that territory by any means necessary. If you give them the means, you are embracing genocide.
arming a genocidal army is embracing genocide lying compulsively about what happened is embracing genocide
Focusing on these externalities when fascists are at the gate is how you lose your republic. Focus on priorities.
Fascists at the gate? My sibling in Christ, they've been running things the whole time. Both "parties" in the US are fascists with different aesthetics.
Sorry to distract from the topic(& this always feels like a losing battle with how prevalent it is), but the "my ___ in christ" thing is a stand-in for the N slur. It's not exactly a secret, but most ppl obv don't realise. knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-bro...
well fuck this republic
Oh fucking hell, another Benjamin Franklin quoter. The United States is and has always been a slave-holding land-stealing fascist republic.
So true, what a huge mistake to focus on arming and protecting the criminal zionist regime during an election year. What kind of person makes their racist hatred of Palestinians the top priority?
The tankies on this platform have a tendency to swarm.
So I see. Really annoying trolls.
Reading your replies. Love your work, keep it up.
Thank you for your support.
stop killing children
Yes, it’s annoying to be told what scum you are. Run along and fellate another nazi, scum.
Go fuck yourself, cryptofascist.
Fascism and atrocities overseas lead to both at home. The boomerang effect: look it up and learn!
you and people like you need to read Aime Cesaire's 'Discourse on Colonialism'
shut up babykiller
Spoken like another “Good German”. Lesser-evil yourself right to hell, Zionazi.
This is just liberal isolationism. You can and have to do better.
How do you explain BOFA then
Biden sent $billions of arms to Israel thro’out the genocide! Congress clapped for Netanyahu like seals! The levels of brutality Israel heaped on Palestinian CIVILIANS - rape, bulldozing live people, children shot in head & legs, raping male prisoners, bombing hospitals - was NOT targeting Hamas.
Hamas is indeed a legitimate government and you seem to be confusing its political wing with the military.
Try to get out of the US bubble please. The UN has found that the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves and Hamas is that defense. This widely held opinion never appears inside the US media.
Your willfull ignorance is showing hun, the dems went full blooded on genocide and should never be forgiven for it.
Your recall sucks
I remember Joe Biden saying that he personally saw videos of beheaded babies himself, and then his own White House staff hit back with “this is inaccurate” then he said “well I was told about it” and his own White House staff hit back again with “we cannot verify this either”. Then a bunch quit.
That's a far cry from saying the Democrats support genocide.
you really thought this was an opening, huh
Why did they keep sending bombs?
So much of the defense of Biden and Democrats involves overtly lying about or ignoring so many things over such a short and recent period in time and it’s amazing they don’t see it.
Even if you are right - and you aren't - how did electing trump work out for ya'll? trump tower Palestine. That's how it worked out.
First we should address the lies.
Tell me the lies.
Rando, they already fucking did?! bsky.app/profile/detr...
One of them is the idea that democrats didn’t support the genocide, which they did.
Saying that Democrats support genocide would be a lie. That's correct. Prove me wrong.
They kept sending bombs. You can't be this fucking obtuse, get the fuck off the internet and educate yourself you fucking tool.
Already have.
How the fuck is Democrats sending the bombs used in the genocide NOT Democrats supporting genocide? Just answer that fucking question. It’s been asked dozens of times in the replies and you ignore it every time. Why were they sending bombs to a perpetrator of genocide if they don’t support it?
If he’s willing to repeatedly lie in support of it, to the point where HIS OWN STAFF are very publicly calling him a liar on it and later quitting as a result, then yes. It’s absolutely because he supported it.
IKR! Life was peachy for Palestinians before Hamas
people like you are why trump won.
People not voting for democrats is why Trump won.
exactly
neat that you came here with all this bravado while spouting absolute fascist propaganda! enjoy your reality, seems nice to be in a world where you are accountable for nothing.
So you kill hundreds of thousands of those Palestinians oppressed by Hamas instead because you’re racist cowards who find Hamas useful.
"i actually like that they're in concentration camps"
“everyone supports the Palestinian people” …do theeeeeeeeeeeeeey?
Israeli politicians have proudly referred to Gaza as a concentration camp in the past, too. It's very hard to undersell just how fascist Israel is at this point.
You can't get everyone to agree with you by just telling people that everyone agrees with you. We know we don't agree with you.
That quoted tweet makes me mad, I think what’s happened in Gaza is horrible but there are so many people who are going to be hurt by trump and it’s not their fault there’s a horrible war on the other side of the world, they act like elections are just about rewarding the politicians
trump plans to be rewarded handsomely by taking over Palestine and building a big, beautiful hotel. American Palestinian support for him seems to have backfired.
And you act like politicians shouldn't be held accountable for their decisions.
I’m all for that but some people seem to ignore every issue but the one where the Dems are split and say, see this is why I can’t participate this year
then you have memory problems
That's nice: your recollection doesn't dictate reality and cannot make us 'disbelieve our lying eyes'. We watched Biden spend over a year making sure Israel got as many weapons as it wanted and only Strongly Worded Letters when they did things that should've got their weapon access cut off.
Peepee poopoo Larue
Then you're being intentionally obtuse.
They called israel a democracy and saw nothing wrong with them killing innocent people on the pretence that they believe it will reduce crime. So if democrats voted overwhealmingly for harris they would call us hamas and claim they have a mandate top kill us
Harris said Israel is a democracy, and therefore she considers murdering the most innocent people, to be a legitimate thing for a democracy to do to fight crime.
Hamas is a legitimate govt. Under the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, native peoples under illegal occupation (which that of Gaza has been determined to be repeatedly) have the right to resist "BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY." Meaning Israel is the illegitimate one. Hope that helps.
Bonus fact: the USA is a signatory to UN treaties, & according to US law, treaties are considered the supreme, original law of the nation. Which means the US is breaking not only many later US & international laws by supporting Israel, it's breaking its own supreme law. The Dems are war criminals.✌️
You have chosen to be stupid today.
Dems will cling to their ignorant misunderstanding of the facts, even if it means feeding their country into fascism. This fucking idiot could educate itself at any moment but instead insists on this ridiculous "hamas bad, white people good" racist view.
Well none of that matters now it will be beachfront property. But y’all owned the libs.🤦🏾♀️
This may come as a great shock to you I'm sure, but not everything is about "the libs".
Palestine will be free and you will be forgotten as an apologist for a failed genocide
Exactly. A big, beautiful trump tower! That's a great way to stick it to the Dems.
Sounds like you guys “support hamas”
Sounds like you failed basic English. It’s called irony
I’m just repeating what democrats said to progressives. You admit that was nonsense now? Great timing.
I said what I said and stand on it. If the point of my comment it so complex for you to understand that’s a YOU PROBLEM.
The Resistance will have the last word on what happens with Gaza. As Black folks who have faced and are continuing to face the worst of what this empire has to offer, we still believe that voting for either corporate party is going to save us? Dear god.
I won’t be here to face anything. I’m leaving. That is something that a lot of people in my community can’t do which is unfortunate. I am done advocating for this country and for people who don’t think fat meat is greasy .they can figure it out on their own.
You seem so utterly disconnected from the community anyway, talking like a white liberal.
You seem real happy about Trump
Nice try to deflect. I'm still waiting for you to post a cogent argument proving that Democrats, as a party support, genocide.
Democrats voting to send arms to Israel was in violation of the Leahy Laws. Do you support breaking laws or not? How well does the argument work that Trump is illegitimate because of his law breaking while breaking laws to be an accomplice to genocide?
They enthusiastically sent arms to Israel during the genocide
Where your cartoon about republicans?
Imagine a third person standing just off-panel licking their lips and saying, "Me too."
Is your newlywed husband Mr Lee also a massive slimeball?
He hates stupid mf too..
Oof, you don’t have long then
10 years in 😂😂😂😂 it’s crazy how all yall big mad all look the same.
I’m disappointed that you’re spouting hateful, divisive *unoriginal* garbage. What’s it accomplish? Who is it for? How does it show support to anyone? It’s less mad and more like a persistent sadness caused by people who can’t show basic empathy Anyways ‘enjoy the camps’ or whatever you guys say
Eh? How is Trump turning Gaza into beach front property "owning the Libs?" The Libs uniformly supported flattening Gaza. The Libs loved the genocide. And the Libs are fine with Trump's ethnic cleansing plan: they just dont want to admit it because Biden aint doin it. F off, ya monster
national socialist country tried to trick us into giving them a mandate for genocide. That was a dirty trick,. Now they are still going to get their genocide but they are going to pay for it. And when they understand what they did wrong, i expect a full apology
It's wild for a black woman to be talking like this. What the fuck is wrong with you?
You have decided to be a piece of shit today, huh?
It's not that we owned the libs. It's that there's a really good chance Trump will have the police round you up and take you to a concentration camp where you'll be murdered. That's why we did it - so you could be the victims of genocide and understand why it's wrong. You left us no choice.
...Excuse you??
Nah. Y'all want to celebrate genocides, let's celebrate us some genocides! Lol at all you Pearl clutching dog fuckers - "but we're talking about white people here now" imperial boomerang's a bitch mother fucker
*sees a bunch of people freezing, starving in tents* "Mine if I wild out?"
How did that happen?
What a bizarre, hapless thing to say. Fucking loser.
What a strange thing to gloat about.
Gloat?? This is called facts. Cause & effect. They had a choice and chose. Now they get to live knowing what their choice meant. We spent months listening to the bullshit. This is the result
She's not gloating.
So like I said, if you intentionally chose to miss the point of my comment, that is a you problem. And anyone thinking that I agree with what is happening you’re being dense on purpose.
Not at all. But it sounds like a struck a nerve. I hope you don't lose sleep over it.
I actually took a 3 hour nap after posting this comment. I sleep well at night in my king size bed, in my clean ass house with my fan on. Thanks for asking lol
Where did I gloat? Because when we begged the Arab community in Dearborn, Mi to listen to us they chose not to. We acknowledge it’s not perfect, but letting orange man get in was gonna be catastrophic for their people. We were told to F off. So nothing we said matters anymore hence the comment.
You are right
What we have here is known as The Five Stages of Grief - and what to expect after the unthinkable happens: Denial. Anger. Bargaining. Depression. Acceptance. I’m no professional but I think they’re still in Denial. Everyone, please have the 4 years you voted for… Namaste
This! Because the comments calling me a Nazi are hysterical. You will not make me feel bad about saying fuck y’all in this country. No matter how you try to slice and dice it we told y’all what was gonna happen. Have the day you voted for . Now y’all mad BW are matching energy.
People begged you to stop doing genocide. You didn't listen. So now you are glad that the genocide will continue. You might not be a Nazi. But you share the Nazis love of racial extermination. You are filth.
These white leftists are trash
Racism and antisemitism go hand in hand with them.
Sure in tf does
If someone tells you to F off, you think they should get the genocide they have coming? Do you understand how delusional you sound?
Let’s be honest, I personally never would have voted for Trump. But it’s absolutely weird behavior to not understand how people whose family members resided in both Lebanon and Gaza were upset at the Democratic Party doing absolutely nothing to stop the devastation.
I disagree with them. I think they made the wrong choice and that it was an incredibly short-sighted one. But I also understand their anger. Whether it’s rational or not, you have to give the people who are hurt by policy positions something more than “the other person is worse”.
Listen to you?? You should have listened to THEM.
"Not perfect" is a hell of a way to describe the systematic extermination of an entire people.
Yupppp.
Cosigning an online swarm against a Black woman Anna? Grimy
*raising eyebrow in Native American*
You can raise your eyebrow all you want. It's grimy.
I think downplaying genocide is a tad bit worse.
Mrs. Lee, we know you’re speaking the truth, no matter how much they want to deny it.
I appreciate the support. It’s crazy to me honestly. Like I know a thing or two about being oppressed and what the yt folks in the country will do to avoid seeing 1 brown or black person win..
Block them all. Every single one.
Seriously, they’d rather burn it all down and have nothing rather than see Black and Brown people succeed.
Yes, we do.
Did you listen to them?
And you're right. The LGBTQ community told them the same thing, and these Arab pickmes just devided we could all go to the camps together. I guess they just didn't understand history. I'm not planning on defending them when they wouldn't defend us.
*decided...typo
These far leftist can fuck off right into the center of the sun. They are the reason we are, where we are right now.
If we're that important maybe you should consider listening to us instead trying to find a center with fascists? Who am I kidding though, neoliberals ARE fascists.
To white nationalist? No. Your logic is just the same. Rooted in violence. Your self righteous is showing btw.
You're punching at shadows, old man. Do you really think you can combat fascism with non-violence? Do you really think centrism is a viable political position? Do you honestly fucking enjoy being such an Uncle Tom?
What evidence do you have that leftists didn’t turn out for Harris?
Very confused as to what point you’re trying to make with this
I’m sure you are 😐
Is your implication that leftists are all white people who vote for Trump while POCs reject leftism while voting for Harris? Because that’s wrong for two or three reasons
The villain you're searching for is capitalism.
The neolibs that run the dems having been ignoring the material well being of their constituents for 40 years in favour of corporate $$$, and you're blaming the left? That's a winning strategy. Not universal healthcare, raising the minimum wage, stopping bombing foreigners etc. Genius.
How many people are in the house of Representatives?
How want times did the dems hold both houses and do ... nothing of meaningful material benefit. Even increasing the suffering both inside and outside the US.
What is the composition of SCOTUS?
When? It's all excuses, innit. No taking responsibility and governing, just "we can't because [insert reason]". And you blame the left, lulz.
This guy is a fucking idiot.
Don't you have to go be mad about beans on toast, you fucking wanker?
don't you have cops to bootlick
Just proving you are a fucking idiot.
Crash Out Lmao
If Leftists' votes were critical to your victory, to the extent that them failing to vote 'correctly' was "the reason" for your candidate's loss, maybe you should have include policies/positions that appealed to them? If you failed to do so, perhaps you're just bad at politics?
Progressives were not leftists, not the same.
Progressive puritanism is still pretty conservative you know lol.
The only possible route to change is to suck up to the king so much that he grants you the charter for a new colony it's obvious common sense 🙃
Weird subjugation.
The post you are replying to didn't say anything about progressives and just replied to your claim about how democrats apparently need leftist votes to win.
Wrong. Leftists are the problem, yet blinded in the white nationalist structure. They still can't take responsibility for this regime's induction.
Again, nothing I said was about who is "the problem" the post before and my post now are simply about how you claim that democrats need leftist votes to win. That is what your post was about right? how democrats need leftist votes to win elections?
I'm just following your logic. You said leftists were the reason for your failure. Democratic leaders spent months telling them they're childish, loudly disdaining left policies, and arming a genocide. Some leftists stayed home on election day, and Harris lost. That's a self-inflicted wound, sir.
Which is it? Are leftists powerful enough to control your chance of winning an election, or worthless fringe voters that you never need to appeal to? CAUSE IT CAN'T BE BOTH. PICK ONE
So if you blame the left, then you have to concede that they hold the power and are worth courting. Learn your lesson, then!
Where is Jill Stein?
with her 0.4% of the vote, gosh I guess she tanked Kamala.
Weird way to say your friends are smart.
??? What?
living rent-free in your bed
Who the fuck cares? I didn’t vote for that dumb bitch.
I don’t care, she’s never been left.
You don't care, that shows why we are here. Grifters gonna grift. But you sure did show the libs tho. Lol.
Why should I care about Jill Stein, exactly? Please elaborate. I'm here to take you to task by showing you the flaw in your argument. If you sincerely believe what you say, then the path forward is clear: bend the knee to the left.
It's sad how these dullards with NO understanding of Civics don't have the basic decency to admit they helped 47 win. Instead they play the victim, are unnecessarily arrogant & say really nasty shit to Black folks. It's like all their parents were complete failures in raising good human beings. 🤷♀️
if you can't persuade "dullards" to vote for you then you're clearly just not very good at politics. isn't the whole point of democracy that the sensible clever grown ups come up with smart ideas and the childish idiots just shut up and vote for them?
Actually, we can lead you all to common sense, but we couldn't make you think. That's a you problem you selfish prick.
so ... yes
That’s exactly it, actually.
Thank you. ♥️
And I have to laugh every time I see a Marxist/Tankie. They all dream of a revolution that installs them as the bourgeois, because they're too delicate/special to be a part of the proletariat. 😁
Typical lib, with your anti-left rhetoric during a time of spreading fascism. “First they came for the communists…” You’re the “they” in this scenario.
Well if it makes you feel better that you all caused this disaster, feel free. It's not like any of you is mature enough to accept responsibility though, so 🤷♀️
It’s like they want us to have Munchhausen syndrome. Do you want us to keep coming back to our abusers? Everyone else didn’t want the black woman in office, but y’all want us to fix this so you can do the same thing. It’s a firm No! it breaks my heart for the people who cannot leave here.
I’ve been called many things. A Nazi is the new one and it’s quite hysterical. The day he won. I said we don’t have to worry about Palestine anymore because there won’t be a Palestine to worry about. I hate that the 92% was right again. But we will not be the backbone of this movement not this time.
I literally been laughing at their comments and that makes them even more mad. It’s almost like they didn’t have reference from a particular group of people that knows what they’re capable of. Because they didn’t wanna listen to us they could definitely talk to the indigenous Americans.
They all use the exact same playbook. It’s comically tragic. Just regurgitating the same shit over and over trying to convince themselves that they care about other people….just not the people they share their community with.
So, you asked people to be OK with a little genocide rather than pressure your candidates to not do a genocide? That's pretty monstrous.
You sent Bill Clinton and Ritchie Torres there to spout more Islamophobic bullshit in the final month.
"here's why Harris is a better choice" translated into leftist is "Islamophobic bullshit"... Leftists are stupid.
As they conveniently left out how Bill Clinton mentioned the peace deal he tried to negotiate in 2000 which would’ve created a Palestinian state with Gaza and 95% of the West Bank, and how Arafat turned it down.
Right? What have leftists ever done to bring peace to the MidEast? Nothing. Jimmy Carter made it a centerpiece in his presidency. Democrats have a long history of trying to negotiate peace in that region.
Right? Jimmy Carter helped broker the agreement between Israel and Egypt and Bill Clinton helped broker the agreement between Israel and Jordan.
Yep. Because normie Dems don't allow perfect to stop progress.
Hi Mrs. Lee. Respectfully, the status quo a year ago was Biden sending billions in missiles to Israel to blow up homes, hospitals, and infrastructure. Why blame people for voting based on the present and not the future?
You're telling the truth, Mrs. Lee. Those who refuse to acknowledge that are being deliberately obtuse. None so blind, it's said, as those that will not see . . .
No worries Mrs. Lee, these folks arent here for facts or evidence. They just want to fight and cause chaos. You speak the truth and we got you.
These people put Trump back in office because of the Palestinians and the Palestinians are the ones who will suffer for it.
Did you knock on the doors there? Did you have an actual conversation with anyone there? Or did you just tweet?
I think they were trying to get the people committing a genocide against their family to listen to them.
the arab community begged the democrats right back. nada. the party fucked around and the party found out. don’t touch the stove next time
There in no greater gaslighter than a leftist after a presidential election. We all know the truth, and it is coming from you.
How many votes did Harris lose by how many people in swing states voted third party? I'll wait.
Straight facts!
This right here which is why I said it doesn’t matter anymore. It’s gonna be beachfront property and people are acting like we didn’t warn them. This would happen and we are now heartless. It doesn’t matter what we said. They chose to vote against their best interest.
They’re doubling and tripling down on it too… they are saying the exact same thing would have happened under Kamala. It’s how they’re coping because they k is they fucked up, but they’re too stubborn & racist to admit it. The Find out part came fast as hell!
There are not enough Arab Americans to decide a presidential election.
Who said that? They certainly couldn’t have done it without them, depressing turnout for Democrats
Facts do not matter to people trying to cope with why their genocide approving politician lost.
Well guess what, NOW you've got a genocide LOVING president. Well done everybody. You helped.
It's a wonder that you didn't win this way.
lol yall love to gaslight tf out of this😆 it’s been the same playbook for a decade. “You’re not nice to me and that’s why your candidate lost” when yall have been calling for your little acceleration revolution. IT’S HERE! STEP OUT THERE!! Be a hero!
Who really lost the most? This ideological purity test BS is self harm.
> that stupid flowchart >"Kamala ran a great campaign" HAHA, OH WOW
Genocide is wrong, Delta Nupe.
Agreed… 100%. That’s why my community supported Harris. We ones Trump would let Netanyahu do whatever he wanted. Even the ppl of Gaza knew. m.jpost.com/american-pol...
I would say the people who spent a billion dollars to lose every swing state, the popular vote, and millions of voters from previous elections lost the most
I'm right for free all the time. It saves me an awful lot of money really 👍
The “purity test” of “can you comprehend providing complete support to genocidal terrorists is bad”
Probably the person who ran in the election.
In your opinion, what would have been an acceptable reason for someone not to vote for Harris?
Have the day you voted for, asshole.
Did you win? What'd you get? A superiority ribbon?
mY PrInCipLEs aRe sTiLL iNtAcT...
It's interesting that the focus of your objection is the idea of beachfront property, not the genocide.
You didn't "warn" shit. You sat by and let it happen as it fucking happened. You people are genuinely sick.
It’s only beachfront property b/c Biden/Harris bombed it into oblivion, you ghoul!
Subtract Michigan’s votes from Trump in the Electoral College tally, give them to Harris. What do you see?
Wow another shitty racist lib how many of you are there
A lot. Keep running your mouth & you'll get to meet most of them.
What are you going to do? Cry slurs at me?
Stop with the "not perfect" nonsense. She supported GENOCIDE with her whole chest. She silenced anyone who dared to disagree. You liberals LITERALLY stopped up your ears to them. And laughed at them. Now you blame them for YOUR failure. Go to hell.
Enjoy Trump turning Gaza into Luxury Condos
sounds like as his opposition maybe Harris had a responsibility to offer a better alternative
Biden helped get Trump elected by helping Israeli Trump commit a genocide.
That was the plan while Biden was president, Pete. Why do you only care now? Oh, right, you never did.
If this is your "slam dunk" it kinda feels like the only one here who will enjoy that is you.
That’s what Israel was already doing, honey. If you started paying attention on Oct 7, you don’t know what you’re talking about and you need to stop showing everyone your unwashed asshole.
They only started paying attention in January.
They only care cuz Trump. If Kamala won they’d still be having mimosas and laughing at us. Now they dare to be mad. Fuck them.
Have you considered grievous self-harm? If not, please do start. The world would be a better place without you in it.
This shit isn't ok when they say it either.
Nah.. We’re still human. We don’t get joy from watching a dictator having toddlers dismembered. But you do you, boo.
Yet here we are, with the genocide still going on (even through a cease-fire) and here at home the dismantling of our democracy is at full bore. When you only vote with your heart and not your brain, this is what happens. Now the whole world is heading towards teetering on upheaval.
The Democrats convinced millions of hearts and brains not to vote for them, let’s see if they regret their actions
I don't think domestic American policy is worth sacrificing anyone else for. Weird that you do!
Yeah if your domestic policy requires blood sacrifices, maybe you aren't the democratic meritocracy you pretend to be.
I block accounts with my heart and brain.
Hot take but if we’ve arrived at the point that our politics forces us into a nationwide Sophie’s Choice scenario where we pick which vulnerable group to sacrifice here in hopes that rich people kill fewer people somewhere else it sounds like we already headed this direction.
Voting for the lesser of two evils, is still voting for evil. When will liberals learn?
Never. They will blame Nader on their deathbeds decades from now.
So your take is we should all accept genocide if it makes our lives a little easier at home? What kind of evil crap is that? Do you even hear yourself? Trump won because far-right christians voted for him in droves. Talk to them.
Sorry it devolved into voting shit. The original point was that former policy advisors choosing not to get involved with trying to stop the Felon because of gaza is rather self-defeating.
Blame the people who prioritized genocide over protecting democracy. The "lesser evil" bullshit is what got us here.
The biggest, nastiest evil of all time is here and everyone who didn't cast a vote for Harris are the ones at fault. Sorry not sorry.
No, the ones at faults are the idiots who blew an election against a TV reality star TWICE.
Really? You forget when he LOST?
Sorry you think genocide is no big deal, and apparently Dem leadership agreed with you.
The world was already headed this way. You brainless libs were too busy at brunch to notice or care.
Cool story. So you're an accelerationist. This whole "end of democracy" must be a great show to watch with some popcorn.
That’s not what accelerationism is
democracy ended at least 15 years ago with the Citizens United ruling. please do try to keep up
The democrats were objectively more devoted to slaughtering Palestinians than stopping fascism. Not even a controversial fact.
Yes I can finally put this one to rest because you now have informed me this is not a controversial take. 😀 If I remember right I didn't see much marching from the demonstrators that didn't have to do with the Palestine.
What
"the Palestine"? Weird construction. Did you write "the Palestinian problem" & then think better of it, for obvious historical reasons?
Nonsensical.
What if my brain is telling me we won't beat back fascism with fascism lite? And what if it's your heart telling you it's our fault you lost?
yeah the dems made it clear that their heart cared more about genocide than their brain telling them they'd lose (like they did) if they kept it up, we know
Perfect response.
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET I HOPE THEY HURT YOU HOW DARE YOU HAVE PRINCIPLES THIS IS ALL THE FAULT OF PRINCIPLED PREOPLE Even if Kamala got all of Jill steins votes she would have lost. If she got 100% of Steins votes plus Dearborn still would have lost every swing state and popular vote. She did bad
The DNC has been telling the ten million high propensity leftist voters they don't want us. They don't want to hear about our healthcare shit. They don't want to hear about our human rights bullshit. They don't want to think about socialisn & they are owned by thepeople who got rich off our economy
50 years they got rich on our economy, didn't put anything back, & now they barely need us anymore. We have no leverage. Silent + Boomers sold the farm and the horse for free. Anyway the other guy payed ATTENTION to what his voters wanted. It's like magic. But at least we get Jill Cheney
Funny how anti genocide people were such an important voting bloc that they apparently decided the election, yet the genocide was so important that the Dems were willing to ignore that bloc in order to keep funding & arming is. It's almost like it's the Dems' fault for being genocidal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe part of the problem was that both parties campaigned on “let’s do more genocide” and we should be mad at them for doing that rather than at each other.
☝🏼
I will read this comment again tomorrow while drinking my Starbucks. I don’t go where I’m not wanted. Their folks told us to fuk off.. we doing just that. Y’all can cry about it together in the car.
No, dear, YOU told US to fuck off. You nitwits told us we weren't needed while you licked the Cheneys' boots, thinking that would get you Republican votes. Starbucks, of course! You suck back overpriced lattes while babies are being incinerated and do not give the tiniest fuck, now or before.
It was tasty vanilla lattes are my fave with extra whipped cream 😋
No gloat detected. Some never learn, don't let perfect be the enemy of good. They can now that they cost MVP the election yet somehow still blame her for what #47 plans for the region. Please stay strong!
You said to people who might have lost family members to American bombs that catastrophe *might* be coming for "their people"? And expected them to feel like you understood their perspective?
They are both dumb and ignorant. They voted against human rights, plain and simple. No gloating detected.
16 electoral votes was not going to change anything. It was Biden supporters that stayed home and white people that voted for Trump Instead of blaming a very small minority group, perhaps look towards why Biden voters stayed home or why white people voted for Trump
“It’s not perfect” when Palestine had already mostly been leveled and a full year of genocide under the dems full support. Yall are idiots with no souls. Maybe if Harris had budged even a little tiny tiny fraction things would be diff but she didn’t she decided their lives didn’t matter to her.
Harris wasn’t the president
You’re as empty and horrible as every maga loser
again little palestinian kids can sleep at night without drones or bombs. and you sent bill clinton who said it’s biblically judea and samaria which is not listening to the arab community but insulting them
No, they were telling YOU (and more importantly Biden and Harris) that their people were being killed and you didn’t care
When you begged the Arab community to ignore the genocide of people they share a culture with? Why didn’t you beg your candidate to acknowledge a genocide? Because she couldn’t get elected that way? She couldn’t get elected not that way, either, so you lost the presidency AND moral credibility.
The people they share a culture with wanted people to vote for Harris to keep Trump out
hey quick question are you ethnically Arab or do you need to ethnically sit down
I assumed by "people they share a culture with" you primarily meant Gazans, who have agency, and those who expressed political preference had a strong preference for voting for Harris to block Trump.
But no, I'm not Arab, so go ahead and call me out for being white to sleight of hand away the uncomfortable truth that self-righteous domestic anti-electoralism was homegrown in the soil of ignoring what Gazans wanted.
If you’re white, you don’t actually get to critique the politics of Arab Americans on the topic of an Arab genocide. I am sorry I do not make the rules
Imagine living in a world where the genocidaires are somehow the good guys and the people asking them to stop are the villains.
I literally can’t, because my parents taught me compassion and protest music taught me not to trust or ally with people in power.
You begged people to side with their oppressors because it would help you and not them. Classy.
Exactly. We wanted them to accept their annihilation in Gaza so we wouldn’t have to worry about our personal comfort in America. They needed to die so we wouldn’t have to learn to struggle.
Don't back down @brandimlee-052419.bsky.social truth and reality are on your side
Yes. 100,000+ dead civilians with plans to fund the creation of many more certainly meets criteria for “not perfect”. God you people are vile.
Wretched.
Dearborn, MI didn’t decide the election.
"Begging" them by sending fucking Torres and Clinton to lecture them. That's your "begging". Or do you have personal proof that you pleaded with anyone who refused to support either genocide and not take up the attitude you're displaying here? Cause I fucking doubt you ever begged for shit.
Not sure y’all noticed but what Biden was enabling in Gaza was catastrophic for their people as well.
speaking the truth is not gloating, these insufferable fucks just can't be bothered to self reflect and realize what *they* have done. Madam VP Harris told them this would happen. the fact that they continue to harass Black women is just proving how unserious and hateful they are.
Their families were being murdered but they should listen to you? Do you hear yourself/read the nonsense you typed?
Why didn’t you beg The Biden administration (and Harris) to stop sending arms repeatedly being used on a genocide? Why was it on the Palestinian constituency in Dearborn Michigan to save Harris’ campaign?
Wht leftists have been ratfucking this country for decades. They have privilege so the consequences of their protest votes never seem to affect them.
Ma'am fuck these people. You're not saying anything but the truth, and they hate to hear it. A lot of guilty consciences in these replies. We got you.
Facts. It's something different every time. First w Hillary, then Biden, then Harris. But there will ALWAYS be something they can find to be mad over in the moment cause Black voters wouldn't fall for B3rnie Sander's bullsh*t and give him a 4th house.
2 state solution? Naaaah, they would rather burn it all down. Sh*t they TOLD people that they would rather burn it all down. Have leftists forgotten that they have been SAYING this stuff to us for years now? FOH w that fake high horse. Palestine was a cudgel to them, nothing more.
In '16 the cudgel was Medicare for All. In '20 the cudgel was Forgive Student Debt. In '24 the cudgel was "Genocide". Same shit, different election cycle. These folks are high on their own supply, and can never be reached, because they prefer performative BS over harm reduction.
#Cheneyfication of the Democratic Party Thread: bsky.app/profile/idio...
So what was your excuse in '16? Nevermind. I don't care about the lies you'll tell me to distance yourself from your complicity in the fall of the Republic.
This. Carlin's rant about the people who advocate for the "unborn" comes to mind. Any attempt to address any of these systems or say "hey this wont work lets try to find a way it can" is met with hostility and rejection. Its all vibes. No fact, no nuance. Just vibes.
Yup. Performative BS that soothes their ego, and lets them think that they're doing something when they're actually not.
I have long said. They're just MAGA without the red hat. They want the same thing as MAGA but want to give the appearance of an empathetic person. So they keep moving the goal posts to ensure rage against the Dems.
That's exactly it. They're populists from the left. Same authoritarian bent as MAGA, but they generally like the LGBTQIA+ community and weed. 🤷♀️
Do you not want medicare for all? Or student debt forgiveness? Or for genocides to end? If not, why not?
Purity politics. That is all they have. They let the Perfect become the Enemy of the Good and fucked us all over.
If these people care so much about Palestine, where are the Trump protests?
American leftism is the inevitable result of white paternalism and the soft racism of the North They were so eager to admit they would burn it all down if we didn't center a white man or their antisemitic campaign and it's why ultimately, they refuse to protest republicans.
Oh, snap. As a white (but Jewish) liberal in the northeast this is so accurate.
Yes!!! I just said elsewhere how it reminds me of Manson’s plan for the murders to start a race war which Black people would win and he and the family would emerge from hiding to rule.
Thank you. I’ve been saying the same thing for awhile but you stated it perfectly.
You’ve really nailed it-especially identifying the soft racism of the North. I haven’t seen this connected with American Leftism, thank you.
That is such an astute summary. Yes.
I agree with you
What do you think the Dems do if they spend a year enabling genocide and win reelection? Do you think they'll ever give one tiny fuck what pro-Palestine voters want? They can't do that now. They know there's a red line they can't cross, and if they don't listen, their party will become irrelevant.
I think for older voters like me, who saw Clinton fight for a 2 state solution. Who have seen policy shift, we actually felt policy could shift. We felt there was a better chance to pressure one side than the other. You didn’t, that’s the only difference. Thx for your comment
I’ve seen so many so called “red lives”, totally disappear. I don’t believe in any of that, I believe that things evolve and change period. You help them by giving them a better chance or you don’t.
The two state solution was a diplomatic process intended to stretch on forever as more Palestinian land was stolen. It was never a serious offer, just like the US used Minsk talks to stall as they armed more Nazis in Ukraine instead of seriously addressing Russia's security concerns.
Well it wasn’t us that pulled out of the Clinton deal it was both sides, mostly Arafat. I lived through these days and read quite a bit about it during the time. History is different when you are living it real time than when people spin it years later. Agree to disagree, enjoy your day.
When they begged Dems to listen to them yous ran around literally with your fingers in your ears singing lalala. It's Dems fault Trump is President and I can see that from all the way in Australia.
Also now that we have the numbers, Wayne County (where Dearborn is) went to Harris. She won it. White counties went to Trump. Dearborn didn't lose the election, you're just a typical America First fucking racist using dogwhistles to communicate how much you hate Arabs bc you didn't get your way.
The fucking AUDACITY of saying this when Palestinians were begging us to do something to stop the active GENOCIDE being carried out on them. Dearborn didn't lose the election for Harris. That's just fucking silly. She lost every single swing state because her and her campaign sucked.
calling a genocide 'not perfect' is why you awful evil freaks are destined to lose. you have no vision for a better world. only suffering & dehumanisation.
Guess Hamas shouldve stayed their asses at home on October 7, 2023 huh?
no, they should fight against the us-backed ethnonationalist statelet that has been ethnically cleansing them for 75 years & counting, & not lie down & let the evils of imperialism destroy their society & its future.
The backstory to “first they came for the communists” is that the left wing in Germany strategically allowed the right wing to win. www.newstatesman.com/world/europe...
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This has all been fun, but mission accomplished. Bye.
You literally gloated in the post above that was being replied to.
If you failed basic English, and don’t understand the context of my comment that’s a you problem.
Ah, I actually should apologize having seen the rest of your post in this thread! It's not strange at all, it's just the fascism. I shouldn't have assumed you were a good person and frankly that's on me to live with.
🔥the struggle for liberation of colonized of america and the colonized of gaza & rest of palestine are historically united against colonialism & zionism such a shame so many Black folks in recent years have aligned themselves with colonialism instead
She wasn’t gloating. No human with a heart is happy about what’s happening over there. But folks chose to sit out or vote third party, knowing the stakes for Gaza AND the world. The choice was Harris or tyranny.
Thank you the choice was Harris or tyranny. This country showed us that not only is it racist it’s still sexist. Because it’s no way that Hillary should not have won. It’s not lost that they put a black man in office before they put a👩🦳 👩🏾 in office. But hey, the price of those eggs.🙃
Harris chose sending bombs illegally to kill civilians over winning the election.
Yup. I was pretty critical of Biden on Gaza but I feel that VP would have done better on that front. CERTAINLY way better than that heartless tangerine gobshite. And Ukraine! People keep overlooking Ukraine - attempted genocide is going on there too.
It just breaks my heart what’s happening in the Ukraine. Like we all watch Russia invade that country in real time and this is how you decide to treat these people! Do I feel like Biden could’ve done more absolutely. VP would’ve been much more diplomatic about the situation.
What do you think Harris could or should have done differently in order to win?
Counterpoint - she absolutely WAS gloating because that is the level these people play at petty point scoring while real people die in huge numbers And they're so deluded they think they're in some sort of position to lecture others. Morally and politically bankrupt babies
You’re just another fake white cosplaying misfit thinking you’re getting some kind of power by calling out a black woman. You know she’s right. Fuck off.
What a sick thing to gloat about, honestly.
Yet it’s true
And Gaza was mostly reduced rubble last year. I guess Biden wanted to help reduce demolition costs.
does no part of you ever feel like this is a fucked up thing to brag about or do you just live in the moment
Facts aren't bragging. Facts are facts. This isn't kindergarten. You're a big boy now, try & act like it.
Yeah its all about the libs everything centers around your feelings God forbid anyone actually took a real & moral stance against the mass murder of infants. Fucking ghouls
Damn, it doesn't even take a push to elicit the "enjoy the camps" from you, does it?
Its funny that leftists talk about "The Camps" non fucking stop, but wouldn't do the minimal amount to stop it from happening.
what are you doing tho?
I did everything I could to get Kamala Harris elected & warn people what would happen if she wasn't. Now I'm going to focus on keeping my kids & my bonus kids safe if I can. I'm going to help the communities that didn't turn their back on everyone else and get more democrats elected at midterm
that’s it?
This is how we as Black people are talking about genocide now? Seriously this is what you're stooping to? This don't seem way too messed up to you?
The Democrats absolutely DID embrace the genocide (as they have always done). They agreed to sending arms to Israel. They agreed to curtail 1A rights and sent the cops to arrest peaceful protestors at universities because Jewish kids feelings were hurt. (I’m Jewish. Don’t @ me).
"everyone supports the Palestinian people" is an absolutely deranged lie
You’re a fascist and a genocide supporter. Glory to Hamas; glory to the PFLP! From the River to the Sea; Palestine will be Free!
Playing dumb I see
"everyone supports the Palestinian people" have you spoken to a single israeli??? the ones who aren't genocidal are like "it's just me and my 5 pals"
like mad love to Noam Shuster-Eliassi and Elik Harpaz but
the Israeli gov’t and media do not make such a distinction because their goal is extermination
Democrats fully embraced genocide and you have no right to 'interpret' the aspirations and choices of other peoples.
I recall
All this shit content is doing is showing your pro genocide colors. Parroting the "human shield" bullshit that Israel and democrats use to justify mass slaughter. You're not slick. We see you. And YOU are the reason for the US fascist rise. Injustice ANYWHERE leads to injustice HERE. Morons.
Israel does not see a distinction, nor do the people giving them the weapons to ethnically cleanse Gaza and kill 100k+ civilians (the democrats)
I WISH it were true that everyone supports the Palestinian people, but the "no innocent Palestinian" narrative is widespread in this country, and it's not just coming from right-wingers.
That's probably true. But most Americans don't know what's going on and sadly, most don't care because it's "over there". I mean, trump got re-elected despite everything the electorate should have understood. What further evidence do you need? Americans don't understand the nuance.
You obviously don't care what's going on because you're denying how the Democrats aided and defended Israel's genocide. There is no nuance to be had.
Hamas represents the Palestinian people's aspirations to resist and fight to get back the land that had been taken since 1948. What's the basis of your claim "nobody supports Hamas"? please could you answer that?
so you think more than 10000 kids were in hamas
I believe the correct number is close to 17 thousand kids killed through this period.
You have a pretty shit memory then bud
Well your head must have been too far up your own ass to notice.
I support anyone fighting a genocide.
Actually Palestinians are victims of Israel. Unless you think Palestinians should be freed by magic, you would support armed Palestinian resistance by the likes of Hamas.
Nobody supports Hamas?, please check the more than seven thousands quotes to the tweet below. The israeli genocide of Palestinians open the eyes of the world. x.com/MalouTenebro...
The official position of the democratic party is that the people who say "All Palestinians are Hamas" should be given more bombs to kill all of "Hamas" which is to say, that Democrats believe all Palestinians should die.
Educate me. Where is it written that the Democrats believe all Palestinians should die? Hamas uses the Palestinians as human shields. That's the most idiotic thing I've read today. But it's early.
Did you ignore everything the Biden admin did for its last year+? They openly supported Israel's killing of Palestinian civilians
If they don’t say out loud that they intend to commit genocide, do all the bombed-out buildings and dead children disappear?
Fuck you with the Human shield nonsense. Everyone in DC is a Human Shield because anyone who works for the Government is a valid target then. Their families are all human shields
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If the Nazis didn't have it in writing that they intended to kill every Jew on the planet on an industrial scale would you be okay with them getting off scot-free at the Nuremberg Trials?
Worth noting that the absence of an explicit written order of extermination is one of the main arguments of Holocaust deniers. In both cases, there is plenty of evidence of both results and intent.
That in an addition to actually excusing Israel's atrocities with the 'human shields' narrative despite the fact that Hamas relies on using underground tunnels specifically because Israel's primary method of dealing with an urban insurgency is just to bomb civilian infrastructure indiscriminately.
The proof is in the sentence after your question, where you've tried to justify killing them.
Precious - you are falling for the bullshit fed to you by the Israeli propaganda machine.
the thing about this is, israel actually DOES use palestinians as human shields. this has been documented in the israeli newspaper haaretz (as well as in numerous arab papers you, as a racist, would probably not trust). there are idf members who specifically find palestinians for that purpose.
There is little that has been made as clear as that the Democratic party was much more devoted to the slaughter of Palestinians than to defeating Trump.
What isidiotic is thinking people forecast their genocide on paper. It's defined by actions
Incredible how you pretend to care about Palestinians whilst spouting the Israeli excuse for murdering them.
You should actually read my post, to discover the flow of the argument. If someone says "All Palestinians are Hamas" and then you say "I'm going to give that person infinite weapons and zero oversight" it's really easy to see what the goal you are pushing for is.
Fair enough. I re-read your post and it still makes no sense and you haven't addressed my question. Why? Because you can't.
It honestly doesn’t matter what’s in the hearts and minds of Democrats when they are sending the bombs that evaporate little children
You said genocide was the "official position of the Democratic party." I challenged you to prove it. What I get in return is a weak tea response..."It honestly doesn't matter what's in the hearts and minds of Democrats..." So you admit you're wrong. I accept your surrender.
“I accept your surrender” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 said the dense American. Seriously that ALL those replies couldn’t make you think beyond the propaganda you’ve been fed not even a little bit??
Actually genocide is not a hearts and minds thing- it’s a legal standard love
here's former state department people explaining how Biden's state department, run by Blinken, relentlessly bent or broke the rules in order to keep weapons flowing to Israel despite the IDF's daily crimes against aid workers and civilians www.justsecurity.org/96522/israel...
Your lack of reading comprehension abilities does not mean the thing you failed to understand is incoherent.
god you're insufferable
Wow, really demonstrating that reading comprehension by not even being able to tell different people apart.
“I accept your surrender” is deeply weird and makes sense why you love imperialism
I mean, you could read about what actually happened. www.propublica.org/article/bide...
She’s refused to read anything sent
They always do. They're always too dug in to their own conclusions.
I've explained it twice. You pretending to not understand doesn't mean much.
The difference between wanting someone to die and not caring if they do or not as long as yr party wins is a trivial one that dems like to insist isn't.
They supplied the bombs, moral support & the ethical fig-leaf of calling it self defense and literally sent in police to beat any protestors off the streets & university campuses. And you already know this You cannot be educated against your own will to be ignorant & 'feel' right Go back to sleep
Israel was killing palestinians before even Hamas was created. U are psycopath lunatics. Not the first time america is involved in genocide, u just love to ignore what ur country’s been doing around the world as long as dont bother yall inside ur bubble. USA lied about Irak & is lying about Gaza
Liberals when confronted with what their favorite political party does
Nope. Sorry. You don’t get to Donald history revisionism and rehabilitation here. Biden and the Dems funded and enabled genocide. Period. Spouting this bullshit. Hundred of dead children with your name on it. If hell was real you would go there.
*thousands
The blood on their hands will never dry.
Genocide apologist
Cognitive dissonance being what it is, that does not surprise me in the least. Whenever you're ready to see the truth about the Democrats, we'll be there to welcome you.
This is the kind of mentality that believes someone made their abuser beat them and it was justified because the abuser said they were very sad about doing it.
They absolutely embraced genocide, ran political cover for it, armed and funded the people doing it, suppressed the people protesting it, even had military assets assisting in carrying it out. Beyond simply having your own military do the whole thing that's as much as it's possible to embrace it.
"I'm speaking"
I support the fuck out of Hamas.
You’re a vile and disgusting creature who doesn’t deserve to share my valuable oxygen. That people like you exist reflects very badly on the nature of reality itself.
But by embracing Israeli war on Hamas USA killed over 17 thousand childs and almost 70 thousand Palestinians. What happened as is still happening is a holocaust and genocide. Removing 2 million people from their homes is a war crime.
I support Hamas. I support any armed resistance against occupation and apartheid. Hamas is better to the palestinian people than Israel. Never forget that.
Idiot
Giving Israel bombs has been a bipartisan effort
Someone supporter Hamas...
The US bombs completely destroyed Gaza, including all hospitals and Universities. They targeted UN aid trucks. You dumb shit.
Calling me names doesn't prove your point. Hamas started it. Israel has a right to defend itself. The Palestinian people are victims.
On October 6th 2023 it was already the deadliest year for Palestinian children in decades
I am not arguing about whether what's happening in Palestine is genocide, I'm saying that the Democrats are not the cause. Netanyahu and Hamas are to blame. Don't worry. trump is going to take over and build a big, beautiful trump tower in Palestine. It'll be great.
Wrong again. The Democrats are entirely to blame. Biden saw Netanyahu destroying Gaza and liked it, so kept sending more bombs, without which the bombing would be impossible. All senior Democrats toed the line. When Democrat voters such as myself asked them to stop they told us to fuck off.
That's just dumb. Enjoy the new trump tower in Palestine.
This is the most absurd refrain you could possibly come up with. You will do anything to blame people pointing out wrongdoing over the people actually engaging in the wrongdoing. It's like you're reveling in the idea of further suffering in Gaza because it will hurt the people who care the most.
Democrats have done everything they can for years to ensure Israel can commit genocide of Palestinians. They supported anti-BDS laws. They spent years saying the BDS movement is antisemitic. They've constantly fought to fund the Iron Dome which is used by Israel as an offensive system. They've
fought to continue funding the Israeli military to the tune of $3.8 billion a year. With a B. But keep telling yourself that your preferred political party isn't party to genocide.
Israel has the right to defend itself from the Palestinian population (half children) it has been illegally occupying, kidnapping, raping, and torturing to death for decades?
Shut the fuck up you evil piece of shit
I see we have an intellectual on the thread.
Compared to you, those posts are intellectual. Perhaps take some time to reflect why everyone is pointing out how ignorant, racist and just way-distant-from-the-truth your views are.
You've now had over a year to grasp the basic facts of the genocide and you've stubbornly clung to falsehoods, and *I'm* the dumbass? History will throw you in with the Holocaust deniers.
You don't deserve the respect.
How on Earth do you have dogs you could be thinking about and you chose to spend your time making excuses for these assholes? Jesus Christ man, priorities
fucking liar
the Democratic government armed Israel for 15 months with all the weaponry they needed to murder innocent Palestinian civilians, but you don't recall the Democrats embracing genocide?
Big “civil war was about states rights” energy here…
I support hamas 👍
7mos before Oct 7 2023: "Will those in positions of power take the signs seriously and stipulate the consequences of engaging in such heinous behavior, if Israeli officials consider this option?" - Michael Barnett Is Israel on the Precipice of Genocide? ucigcc.org/blog/is-isra...
And how does that prove the thesis that Democrats, as a party, support genocide? Spoiler: it doesn't.
People have told you multiple times that the fact that they armed Israel means they supported a genocide
Biden said, on many occasions, that he is a Zionist! The Dems passed laws to protect Israel from criticism! Many states, including mine, made BDS illegal. What other country gets that special privilege??
They made us all complicit by sending the weapons.
Yes, and slaughtering tens of thousands of FUCKING INNOCENT CIVILIANS and TURNING THEIR ENTIRE TERRITORY TO FUCKING RUBBLE is genocide. You are a vile apologist for war crimes. See where lesser-evilism gets you? YOU ARE THE “GOOD GERMAN”…. and undoubtedly a good Democrat. Own it, and then fuck off.
hamas is the legitimate government of palestine
harris literally told the victims of her own administration's genocide to shut up and sit down or else trump would win the crowd boo'd the *victims*, not harris so much for being the party of law-and-order and family values.
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I watched Biden give bombs to the IDF for a year while they were obliterating the Palestinian people WTF are you talking about?
There is no distinction. Israel has directly stated that there is no distinction. They have said they want to wipe the Palestinian people out. You are either incredibly stupid and should not speak on this subject or you are actively lying and should not speak on this subject.
I hope your dog bites you, and the state puts you down for deserving it.
It's always fun when ziopigs pretend to support Palestine, their asses manage to hang out every single time. Also, your omniscience somehow didn't come with knowledge of the proper use of it's/its. Go back to twitter.
The Democrats armed and funded and defended a genocide for fifteen months that overwhelmingly killed women and children.
Hamas is the governing party of Gaza, you do not support a legitimate Palestinian state
You don't remember the Democrat president actively carrying out a genocide less than two years ago? You're as delusional as MAGA. Furthermore Hamas is only one of six groups resisting Israeli fascism. Palestinians support them because they're the only ones doing anything to protect them.
You can’t recall what you refuse to see in the first place.
Ya this denialism really demobilizes people 😞 exactly.
Then you recall fuck all because it has been and is blatant. Just because they don't go "our official position is pro-genocide" doesn't mean they're not pro genocide.
Fuck off.
You’ve either been living under a rock, or you’re a bot/op. Either way, there’s 18 months of evidence as Biden delivered weapons to Israel so they could kinetically dismember children. Piss off, twat.
Assume everything you said is true (it is not). Do you believe that it is ok to bomb civilians and destroy hospitals to kill a single official member of Hamas?
👆🏻Ahistorical nonsense.
Well then you weren't paying attention.
I warned so many goddamn people I knew that Biden’s refusal to stop sending weapons would be our undoing. I could see it happening in real-time! And no one! Listened!!
congrats on winning
3rd party voters wouldn’t have swung the election. But more dedicated organizers probably would have.
Hope they’re happy with their choice.
I hope you’re happy with yours.
You enabled and supported a genocide in Gaza and record numbers of deportations by ICE. You must be so proud.
I'm very proud of the Biden administration's domestic policy accomplishments. And it is a horrible tragedy with long-standing consequences that Trump won.
You made it certain Trump would win by defending the indefensible. Biden/Harris oversaw record deportations from the US, the loss of abortion rights, record levels of incarceration, record levels of inequality - are these the domestic achievements you are so proud of?
I mean I think mobilizing against a genocide was the correct thing to do- I think the bad choice made here was not among organizers
Personally I worked my butt off to try to stop Trump. I think that was the right choice. I knew second term Trump would be extremely harmful and dangerous.
So did I.
Personally I wish people had pushed the Democrats on genocide seeing as it seemed to be what cost them the election in about a million ways and also was the right thing to do.
I wish more people had explained how terrible a second Trump term would be compared to Harris. He was a proud authoritarian, anti rights, misogynistic, xenophobic, ready to dismantle government programs people want and need.
But it wasn’t surprising given that in 2016 some lefties stayed home despite there being an open Supreme Court seat that, if Clinton filled, would have flipped the Court. They never, ever learn that not voting can have horrible consequences.
I think you mean "the Democrats never, ever learn that not appealing to voters can have horrible consequences"
Democrats won the popular vote in 7 of the last 9 elections.
dottie do not understand politics but know this: the dems insist they won’t do the one thing their base want (socialism) the go pee party insist they will always do the one thing their base want (torture women and minorities) the end
It wasn’t the left that cost Dems the election- but their further and further swing to the right
When you are running on conservative principles- the far right can beat you at them and seem more genuine at backing them
Wait, you're a political scientist??!! And this is your honest to universe understanding of both the Clinton and Harris campaigns, fully contextualized in situ and history? Yikes.
stop blaming voters for democrat failures. at a certain point you need to hold the party accountable.
Voters have the responsibility to vote.
"in 2016 some lefties stayed home" A higher percentage of Sanders primary voters voted Clinton in 2016 than Clinton primary voters voted Obama in 2008.
So what? Not voting for Clinton enabled Trump to create a far right Supreme Court. There was a freaking open SC seat in Nov 2016 that could have flipped the Court to the left.
The thing is- when you are watching an administration boost the slaughter of thousands of children- it’s hard to play lesser evil
Destroying USAID, by itself, is going to cause far more deaths. I could go on but this it’s exhausting having also seen the consequences of terrible decisions to stay home and not vote in 2000 and 2016.
USAID is not a neutral force of good in the world
god she probably likes the dnc chair’s five page pdf MEMORANDUM TO: Interested Parties
great shame Dems failed to work their butts to stop Drumpf then
Maybe it's not about you
You can’t just say that to a white person Eric!
Both of you are white
OH NO WHO TOLD
lol tbh I misread who you were replying to when I posted that. I take back my criticism
I swear. White people.
I’m going to put it bluntly. This response isn’t constructive. It’s not adding anything of value and it isn’t kind, it’s divisive when we need to build a popular front. We have a common enemy so we need to discuss strategy neutrally without making it personal or passive aggressive in order to win.
We need to stop writing people off and start being curious. We need to put our egos on the backburner and focus on the goal. And we need to approach what has happened without this “better than thou” mentality.
That doesn’t mean your feelings of anger and fear are wrong. But how you respond and act is vital to building a movement that can take back our country.
We need to change our thinking and approach to prepare for a shift in how things have been done. bsky.app/profile/vick...
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Hypothetical: suppose everything was exactly the same but Harris had decided to triangulate by supporting a nationwide abortion ban. (She’d remain better than Trump in all the other ways!) Would you still say these things about people who couldn’t cast a vote for her under those circumstances?
and like didn't the third party candidates primarily pull voters from the Republicans
RFK Jr was still on the ballot in a fair few states!
And that includes organizers who maybe don’t vote for Dems or organize electorally but do organize around policy- not having those people really hurt.
Like the Democrats have benefited HEAVILY from having a left in the country that works on issues that they like to run on, but since they decided to back a genocide they lost a lot of that organizing capacity
Don’t the “Democrats” include at least some of the left? Or are you deliberately limiting that label just to demonize those you should be seeking common ground with right now against the rising fascism?
I’m mainly talking about politicians and I’d say with very tiny exceptions most are not on the left and those that are have to compromise those values to stay in the party - I’m not demonizing anyone though I’m just pointing out the problem that occurred
Ok, but the politicians in power are not the entire party. I agree that the leadership is complicit in this mess. Easy to misconstrue who you mean when you don’t distinguish between the Dem voters and the pols. Thanks for clarifying.
Like I would have spent a lot more time talking about abortion in the past year and a half if there wasn’t a genocide happening 🤷🏻♀️
Blame same incompetent geriatric Dem leadership that not only thought embracing Genocide was a winning strategy, but wouldn't allow an unmolested primary for 12 years at least, most recently to stop Progressive Sanders who had the votes. Donors more influential than constituents, like Haim Saban.
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why are you complaining then? you won
Same though it’d be nice if the Ds would stop running pro-forced-birthers like Biden and Kaine
Exactly. We had big plans for climate action where I'm at but that all looks kinda white and whiney when our government's backing a full blown genocide and they're crushing dissenters
Israel is also one of the world's biggest polluters thanks to the US supplying them with arms And they prototype the surveillance tech and techniques that the police will use in the future And they shelter TERFism, etc So the genocide is still relevant to every such issue! 🙃
I swear to fucking god it was one to fucking one that if someone was a transphobe they were a zionist and vice versa
😲 (That's A LOT of Transphobes!)
Have a handful of lefty friends who begrudgingly knocked doors in Arizona or made calls for her in Michigan but couldn’t bring themselves to vote for her here in CA. I know even more people who would’ve done a lot more for her if she had committed to ending the genocide.
A persistent genocide our government was complicit in definitely overshadowed every other consideration for many voters, but the Dems weren't even addressing most of the other points at hand. All they seemed to ever talk about was the bloody economy then tell people to shut up about other topics.
When you respond to people standing up for Palestine with "I'm speaking" as a way of shutting them down...at that moment, you have told people where you stand.
If the Democrats are going to survive to the other end of whatever shitfilled colon of a tunnel we're in, they're going to have to do some real soul searching about what they actually stand for and value.
narrator: they would not
the Dems murdered ACORN, shuttered ThinkProgress, and shut out dailykos, and wonder why they can't repeat Obama now
Harris giving the party a boost kinda covered up the biggest reason I was hopeless for a win with Biden: while most people were still going to vote, I saw SO MANY people who usually dedicated LABOR, saying they just couldn't bring themselves to do it this time because of the associated complicity
It wasn't just Gaza either. I followed a bunch of people who did organizing to get disabled people to polls in 2020. About half didn't this time because bringing up needing covid precautions, even in the context of poll inaccessibility, would get you dogpiled with "oh so you want trump" *3 yrs ago*
as soon as joe declared the pandemic over it became unliberal to acknowledge it.
It's really interesting that it's nitpicking purity standards to expect people to care about Gaza or COVID, but it's not nitpicking purity standards to completely write off people who have been helping for years, who you could still potentially compromise with? Most dont even care if you still voted
Shut up or you support Trump really was their rallying cry.
I've been saying this since before the election and instead of listening I keep getting told its my fault trump won and I should "enjoy the camps."
And issues to knock about, like MediCare for All!
And look what the other party’s leader wants to do with Gaza. SMH
Look at what the first party actually did
No one wants genocide of Palestinians. Not Democrats
Well the sending of bombs to do it seems to call that into question
I see your point
Now these fantastic policy researchers and makers can watch the rest of the world burn down around us while holding on to their personal values.
Couldn’t write about both? Tortured Logic, but okay.
This tired ass take again? While people are rounded up into camps, I hope you still feel good about yourself and how you voted and how much your “protest” resonated. 🤦♂️
It's resonating pretty hard with you right now.
I suggest trying reading my actual post
Yeah, we should have excused a genocide like you did
Why are you people shocked that supporting ever more fascist policies has led your country to fascism? You don't beat Nazis by being Nazi-lite. You beat Nazis by opposing Nazi policies and offering a genuine alternative.
You fuckers get off on people suffering huh.
Go to bed grandpa
maybe forever
Most certainly forever. And like, now.
I don't think the Democrats embraced genocide. They were supporting Ukraine and opposing Russia. Perhaps not as much as some of us would have liked, but still, they were on the right side at least.
they are referring to the US arming Israel while they genocided Gaza
Israel was attacked by Hamas so supporting Israel seems a reasonable position, as reasonable as supporting Ukraine after they were attacked. They wouldn’t expect the US to support Hamas, would they?
shut up you fucking idiot. supporting Israel while they kill 10s of 1000s of civilians is not a reasonable position
They’re targeting Hamas fighters though. They’re not trying to kill civilians, and isn’t the aim of disabling Hamas reasonable, even if you think they ought to be doing more to protect civilians?
no one buys this bullshit anymore man
You mean no one in your social circles?
Nice attempt at gaslighting. No dipshit. It's not just their social circle. It's reality. GTFO and come back when we can have a conversation based in facts and common decency.
If you’re saying there’s no public support for backing Israel please provide evidence to support that. The polling I’ve seen shows there’s still significant support, but it’s declined and many think Israel has now gone too far
funny how you didnt feel the need to provide any evidence to support what YOU said, but you require it of others
Tankus is an apt name for a Tankie. Tankus gonna Tank.
Well you guys can pay yourselves on the back when you book your first vacation at Trump Gaza Resort
Trump couldn’t have done that without Joe Biden!
it wont happen. the palestinians of gaza beat isreal and the US with the full support of the biden admin they'll easily do it again with how mercurial trump is about funding wars. he can talk all he wants.
^^ typical Democrat genocide enjoyer
This loser would rather fight with ppl against genocide than the 57% of ww who voted for trump. Rich Harwood is quite the dummy.
You can't force people to agree with you with insults and shaming. It doesn't work. We know it's bullshit.
scratch a liberal and a DemoKKKrat bleeds
You're a fucking moron
You all just seem so pleased with yourselves that you made life much worse for the people you were supposedly supporting. Maybe sometime you will grow up and realize that in the real world you have to accept difficult choices. But for now keep throwing temper tantrums it's working so well for you
Also I'm a fucking queer person whose parents are fucking government workers. I had goddamn skin in this fucking election which is why I'm so mad at the fucking democrats for using the past 4 years to not do shit
Where is your god damn rage at the fucking politicians who doubled down on actively help a guy working on making them lose a fucking election. That is why you are a fucking moron
"oh the politicians did something that made them lose an election. Better blame the people who didn't provide them with volunteer labor" - your fucking dumb ass
Hey kid, talking down to us didn't win you the last election. Why are you doubling down on a losing strategy? If you think that we had the power to turn an election, why didn't you act like it?
It doesn't get worse than being actively genocide which has been an ongoing fact of life for them even before October 7th but could have been seriously tripped up if Biden wasn't a Zionist freak
You’re literally the fucking meme, you boring hack. Keep valorizing an “opposition party” that sits to the political right of Ronald Fucking Reagan while simultaneously wondering why no one wants to vote for a slightly more polite version of Republicans, you bootlicking dumbshit.
You'd rather attack people who are genuinely opposed to genocide than the GOP. Trump's position on Gaza is absolutely identical to the one Biden pursued and the one Harris offered. Give Netanyahu a free hand and a blank cheque.
Nailed it. The electorate had no choice. Barring @DrJillStein. Most Dems stayed at home rather than vote for #GenocideJoe 's running mate #HolocaustHarris
Genuinely the only issue you seem to have is Trump might buy land and that's wacky to me. Because a normal person would have an issue with the land being stolen and levels in the first place
At least it would be a renovation. There's no proof the Gazans would be better off with Kamala. None. People begged her campaign for a single sign on this, some nuance, but there wasn't any. The choice between slow starvation and fast ethnic cleansing isn't much of one.
I disagreed with Biden’s position on Palestine. But, I knew that Trump was worse not only for Palestinians, but for Ukrainians and for all Americans that are not white conservative men. Who did the protest vote help? It helped the devil that is now unleashed.
Please note I wasn’t talking about voting I was talking about organizing. People were organizing around Palestine instead of other policy issues which may have helped the Democrats because the Democrats were backing a genocide
organizers may have fooled more people, but unless they could get her to soften on immigration gender equality and holy wars, i dont think it would have helped.
You know who was pleading for Americans to vote blue the people being bombed because they knew what was to come was worst. Funny how y’all so quiet when 4547 plans on kicking them out of Palestine. Y’all look goofy as heck.
Even if you were right, and you’re very much wrong, why do you think being an obnoxious, patronizing little twerp posting irritating gifs is going to help you?
Even you being wrong that’s ok. What saves me is being ready for the madness of enablers. Deep breathes now we will make it or at least some of us
I’m going to say this in gif so you’ll understand
Que?
That was not my experience interacting with palestinians
Which ones the ones in cushy USA or the ones in Gaza shelters or hospitals. It’s turning out well for them and the people in the USA right now…but do go on organize.
i dont think you actually interacted with any of them
also what fucking hospitals
Bet they did. They were killing them at the time though, so no time for talking.
Hey quick question who was it that funnelled billions of dollars into committing genocide in Gaza when they knew it would tank their chances at winning the election?
what hospitals
When are you going to apologize for supporting genocide?
You guys really dying on that hill…in the 4 graphs let’s unpack us support of Israel…now let’s all apologize for our tax dollars over the decades. Ain’t nothing new hun we have been doing this dance for decades. Like I said the Wests policies to the region sucks
This is apologia for a genocide, not an apology. I really have to insist on the apology. I can't treat someone like you, who supports rape and murder, like a normal person, worth a conversation and not outright hostility, without an apology, bare minimum.
What the fuck have you been doing about Palestinian suffering? Some of us have been marching and organizing for over 17 months and continue to do so. Maybe if you showed up to anything you'd know what's going on.
Shut the fuck up genocide loving cunt
"Please vote for the people bombing us" said the people being bombed
A million miles of human shit in a row. Eat all of it you loathsome skid mark. Yeah, they were all about continuing to be bombed, kidnapped, raped, and starved. Such should befall you since it is so good and righteous.
And better than Trump, or whatever.
7mos before Oct 7 2023: "Will those in positions of power take the signs seriously and stipulate the consequences of engaging in such heinous behavior, if Israeli officials consider this option?" - Michael Barnett Is Israel on the Precipice of Genocide? ucigcc.org/blog/is-isra...
Exactly so it wasn’t the other day this started. The west passed their problem onto the region in 1945. Hence why I say hypocrisy of the it all. It wasn’t about the🇵🇸 but we know that; it’s just an easy out for throwing everyone else under the 🚌. Worked in the region b4 & after this ain’t new
Of course it's not new. 💔 But 🇺🇸 doesn't have a national political party —or even a TV network— that defends universal human rights and our systems don't allow for it. People who realize that we're all being treated like pawns by p̶r̶a̶g̶m̶a̶t̶i̶c̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ narcissists and nationalists are at our wit's end.
We need mainstream media in Canada, the US, and Europe to report reality. 17 YEARS ago: Former US President Jimmy Carter: "Americans need to know the facts about the abominable oppression of the Palestinians." Israel, Palestine, peace and apartheid www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...
Trump’s “plans [for] kicking them out of Palestine” would require defeating Hamas so good luck with that, pig amerikkkan
You won’t say Donald’s Trump name
Damn right he’s just a number 4547 or P01135809 if you prefer
You are a fucking child.
Your king (4547) needs you to kiss his or wipe his ass
You are a cartoon, and none of your accusations are based on reality.
You fuckin shitlibs have cooked all of us. You immediately assume that *because I’ll say the man’s name* that I’m what? A follower of his? You smooth brained dork. You refer to him by fake prison numbers who 4547 or ORANGE MAN and that is the exact length of you’re fuckin shitty resistance.
You must be confused so let me help you out…4547 is the POTUS 45 & 47 and P01135809 is the clowns prison number. You don’t seem to know where you stand so I’ll let you be.
Coward ass bitch. Go suck the shit outta your own ass
How the fuck is anyone supposed to parse this bullshit? Just say Trump because his name is Trump and then figure out what you’re actually going to do to oppose fascism, jfc
You figure out what you gonna do with the mess of your skinfolks & how you don’t know who 4547 is? 🙄 Where have you been? Y’all taking about opposing facisim the optimal time was Nov 5th but you can try again during the mid terms 616d to go & 1351d for a new POTUS.. let’s see how your skinfolks do
If you think the only way to oppose fascism is at the ballot box you are well and truly cooked
I hate you so much. Just so so much.
I didn't get a single communication begging for me to vote for anyone from a Palestinian. It was always about how they are suffering and need help.
Dems: narrowly win Georgia in 2020 Spend the next four years fighting and criminalizing the people who organized to win Georgia in 2020 Lose in 2024 Shocked pikachu face
I don't think Dem leadership thought they'd win either of those races. Being just barely in the minority is perfect place for their fundraising grift. The fact that they won, and seemed to have no plan to wield power, left me believing the voters wanted the win more than leadership.
When the campaigns were "we're not as bad as the other guy", wanting a win and not leadership makes sense as the most people can expect.
One of the most tiresome part is they also believe the protests have stopped. Which is untrue. The protests still ongoing and still being organized, not just in the US, but worldwide. Most western corporate medias who are complicit just don't televise those anymore.
Why not the USA? Only during the election?
There was literally a protest in New York City outside a real estate event illegally selling land in the West Bank just last weekend in which police protected Zionists attacking pro-Palestine demonstrators.
Yeah, but deb didn't personally see it, wo actually, who can say if it did happen?
Well, I must admit that I do not watch football.
Do you watch the news or listen to podcasts on current major events?
No, they might have to confront their deeply racist beliefs if they did.
You skipped a word. They are not just happening in the US. They are happening in other countries as well.
Already started months before the elections in the US *and* worldwide. They never stopped. Slowed down a little due to ceasefire and crackdowns. Dems have *plenty* of time, but they simply ignoring it, taunting it or crushing it. I'm not even USian, and I know these because I paid attention.
> not JUST in the US, but
Also, let's be honest, so much was already written about Project 2025. It just was largely ignored, swept under the rug, done away as hysteria and bad faith readings of these Christofascists' actual plans. It's absolutely disheartening. But I cannot give in to despair.
We must maintain our Revolutionary Optimism. Without it we can't carry on in this battle against all the regressive reactionary monstrosities against us. 🫂❤️✊
I think they know that, but can't find a way to express it that doesn't make them sound awful It's not enough for them that I gritted my teeth and voted Harris (a basically meaningless action), they're mad I wasn't knocking on doors for her and sending money and posting in support of her
Democrats genuinely were/are divided on Israel/Palestine. Many within each faction vehemently discount the other, but that doesn't mean the divide wasn't/isn't hugely impactful.
Democrats weren’t and aren’t “divided.” The vast majority of registered Democrats wanted an immediate and permanent ceasefire. m.jpost.com/us-elections...
Sure, if you say so...but in truth, you're just opaquely presenting your own view as fact, just as your counterparts do. And my own position probably aligns with yours, but I am recognizing the positions of others within the coalition that was needed, and you are not, now the worst outcome is ours
Discuss it with the people who wrote the article.
MAGA and their oligarchic strategists correctly understood that a flareup in Gaza - stoked directly or in more subtle fashion - held the power of dividing the coalition that was needed to defeat Trump.
That's conspiracism
Or people who are on the left genuinely oppose genocide and didn’t want to back a party who was helping do one
As a Democrat I have vocally supported Palestine and opposed right wing Israel since being old enough to vote in 1988. I entirely agree that Democrats who have supported colonization and genocide in Palestine are in the wrong. Nonetheless I have always chosen to vote in coalition to defeat GOP
It is true that there are people who didn't vote for Harris over the genocide. It is also true that there are votes she would have lost if she criticized Israel. If Harris were tougher on Israel and lost a very close election we would never stop hearing that the Dems should have picked Shapiro.
83% of democrats wanted a ceasefire
I don't doubt that, but Democratic votes aren't enough to win the election. Harris was at a real disadvantage compared to Trump, who was allowed to say whatever each constituency wanted to hear. With Harris, every move to gain support in one direction hurt support in the other.
She never tried left
100% true, but that was because "the narrative" was that she was too liberal and needed to tack hard to the center. I am not arguing that she would have lost taking a strong stand against the genocide, only that we don't know. Israel has a permanent get out of jail free card with too many in the US.
I mean that’s not even what her own polling showed- she tacked center because she’s a centrist
Honestly I think a lot of folks just didn't see the depth of this division. In PA where I live, it was very vivid - plenty of support for Josh Shapiro as VP candidate specifically because of his pro-Israel lean, Summer Lee had a challenger for the same reason, and many others.
Incorrect. As a Democrat you have supported the genocide of Palestinians and have empowered the right wing in Israel. You don't get to claim support a policy you voted against.
Huh? Not possible to follow your logic here
No it isn't. You claimed to support something which you, in action, fought against. This suggests you are lying and also do not understand yourself.
Sorry, that's nonsense
No, it isn't. You just have an inflated sense of self. You judge yourself based on your thoughts. But that is unreasonable.
Every Black organizer recognizes this play. It’s the same shit Dr. King warned about in Letter from Birmingham Jail. #BlackSky
I have always understood GOP/fascists as the larger danger. Allowing their coup to succeed has hastened the liquidation of Gaza and the West Bank, and they're just getting started. And while the topic here is Palestine, there are other factors in play.
Same. That's why I quit supporting the Democrats when they actively said they wanted a GOP member in their cabinet, and wanted the GOP to help shape strategy. I don't collaborate with Nazis.
So, Palestine was effectively weaponized to deliver a Trump win, and "the left" is still irrevocably broken and sniping over the issue. It's perhaps convenient & compelling for each faction to blame the other, and...the people enacting the larger oligarchy couldn't be more pleased with this outcome.
You’re so right if we had fallen in line, come together, and said “yes Biden yes Harris yes to genocide”, we could have won, we could have beaten those nasty pro-genocide Republicans
Imagine if the Democratic Party had cared about stopping genocide there or about stopping oligarchy here. Either one of those priorities would have shifted their Gaza policy in a way that ended our participation in genocide and delivered them the election. Don't you wish that would have happened?
What a load of bullshit. Harris lost because she gave a middle finger to every core constituency and she/the Ds kept telling people that they weren’t suffering and that the majority economy is amazeballs oh and btw fuck immigrants and trans people and so on so people didn’t go out to vote for her.
I think the account to which you're responding is one of those reply guy accounts. 🤷
I kinda think they’re a maybe even paid troll actively trying to sow division and get Ds to suspect and blame Palestinians and anyone opposed to genocide tbh
Wouldn't surprise me. Either way, I blocked it.
It had precious little to do with Palestine.
this dipshit is a tarpit that just wants to fight cuz they think it's fun
Sure, so letting Trump win oughta show 'em.
Thinking any individual voter has the power to "let" anyone win is where your thought process is flawed here David. Even if they could go back in time and change their vote, no one has the power to change the outcome on their own. Except, perhaps, Joe Biden.
Nobody let him win except for the Democratic Party
Dipshit learn to read and think. Nobody「 let Trump win 」 except for fucking Biden, Harris, and the Ds.
I'm sure letting Trump get everything he and Musk want right now is gonna show the GOP, eh? How many more unanimous consents are the Dems gonna keep offering up so as to rush the nominees through so they can take a long extended weekend?
THIS!!!
The people enacting the larger oligarchy includes Biden/Harris
Yeah, the fact that they wanted to confine the most horrendous visible violence to far-away countries rather than the imperial core is not a substantive advantage compared to actually opposing it.
What are you going on about?? We don't want genocide committed, period, and certainly not in our names and with our money. It's actually that simple. (Plus the burying of the pandemic and all the death, trauma, and harm that came from that endeavor.)
So as I read it, you're anti-MAGA. Good work
Joe Biden did all that.
Turn off Fox News, man
Hi David, here's some tips from much more educated people than myself on how to avoid falling into this ugly habit of arguing that "the left" should be more unified and act as quickly as the Trump administration. www.whitesupremacyculture.info/urgency.html
There is an irrevocable split between liberals and the left because liberals demand that the left must shut up and do what they're told and the left is fundamentally opposed to doing that.
Even in their final days in office DemoKKKrats cared more about funneling billions of dollars into bombing brown ppl than saving you from fascism. but hey, the left's totally the issue huh?
As AIPAC bought seats in the House and the party failed to defend their incumbents, it became clear that oligarchy is deeply embedded in the Democratic Party.
You guys are really just going to blame anything but Harris running a shit campaign, being a shit candidate, and people angry over Biden's mishandling of the recovery
If you believe that Palestine made the difference in the 2024 election, you probably should have leaned on Democrats to stop supporting the genocide, eh? Pretty easy ask! "Stop supporting genocide and also you'll win the election!"
You don't care. We understand.
I see - you care so much about genocide that you enabled the election of people who will enthusiastically hasten it. Gold star for you, Arthur
So you like the slow genociders? The ones that literally destroyed an entire region and killed tens of thousands, paving the way for the next guy to continue? And you think you're smart? Moral? You're as immoral as you are stupid, David.
Pretending that I "like" genocide requires a museum-quality petulance. I won't pretend that you like Kushner-built condos when they go up, but now they will because you wouldn't sully yourself to use your vote against them. That's what's truly stupid
So the blame falls on Democrats for not finding a strategy to keep the votes of people who oppose genocide.
That's exactly what they tried to do, and given responses here and elsewhere, that was not going to be possible. So the genuine enthusiasts of genocide were ushered into power, and they are Nazi-saluting in victory. Great work
Do a good job next time.
They tried how? Can you give any concrete examples of them trying?
Thought not
No it isn't. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uVq...
The conference had 0 Palestinian speakers but an entire GOP night. Harris repeatedly stated she'd impose no further conditions on arms to Israel and told protesters "I'm speaking!" Democrats did not want the votes of people opposed to genocide.
If only we were good with genocide Things could have been so different
The actual left is still doing the mutual aid work we did while liberals took a four year nap while the Biden administration funded a genocide and deported more people than trump. Liberals are having a moral panic and taking zero action as usual.
And here’s the thing. Liberals, we fucking need you. Right now, we cannot afford to make anyone who isn’t an outright fascist our enemy. Whenever y’all are ready to stop blaming and start doing, there’s plenty of work to go around.
you dress it up as a grand scheme as if the Biden administration couldn't have prevented it by simply following existing law to stop providing Israel with the means to turn Palestinian children into chunks
1. Sniping? Y'all are the ones who came here after the election and started yelling at us. 2. Y'all were also the ones saying you didn't need our votes months before the election, but now that you lost it's all our fault? Why not get mad the Dems for running a bad campaign?
Do I wish all Democrats side with Palestine, as I do? Of course I do. You can blithely group me with those who do not, but you're entirely wrong there.
In what way am I wrong?
"weaponized"?
Yeah but it was Biden and his DOJ who allowed the coup to succeed. Trump and a number of others are not constitutionally eligible to hold the offices they now hold. Biden failed his electoral mandate and his oath of office by not enforcing it. Wtf were voters supposed to do about it?
I agree. Biden, and privileged, institutionalist Dems certainly share blame here. Harris represented perhaps a glimmer of hope, perhaps not. But for me, all of these were preferable to a Trump win and what is taking shape.
So...you've been doing this since 1988? How's it going, as a strategy, for you?
I guess we should similarly abandon the cause of human rights because it's not going well, right?
You're suggesting your strategy is the right one. I'm asking how it's going.
the “right wing” Israel in there says it all tbh, i mean, even if i didn’t continue reading what u wrote after, I would have easily figured it out/expected it 😅 that’s so liberal of you 🥺
Do you contend that there are not Israelis who oppose the right wing in that country?
The Israeli left hasn't been functional in years. Netanyahu is the longest serving PM in Israel's history for a reason: his fascist War Criminal policies wins him election after election with Israelis.
when was the israeli “left” functional or ever existed? give me any examples please 😅 also, the fact that his “War Criminal policies” keeps winning elections is a proof of my point! lastly, do you think everyone in Nazi Germany was a Nazi ? why didn’t we try to change Nazi Germany from the inside?
I'm not disagreeing with you.
Casting all Israelis as right wing Kahanists sounds quite a lot like the rhetoric that portrays all Palestineans as terrorists. This is the stance of those who are not seeking peace
Rabin was kinda… then he got shot by a settler.
Kinda. But Rabin is best known among the Palestinians as the one who gave the order to "break the bones" of the Palestinian children who threw stones. www.latimes.com/archives/la-...
Every poll I've seen of Israeli citizens has them overwhelmingly in support of ethnic cleansing in Gaza, so there aren't enough of them to consider when discussing Israeli policy. Trannies who oppose the genocide don't get to transition, for instance.
that has nothing to do with what I said David, don’t twist my words, you were talking about the government, and now suddenly you shifted to talk about the Israeli people 😅! again, so liberal of you!
you saying “right wing” Israel gives the impression that there was actually ever a “left wing” israel, which is not true and pushes the narrative that the problem is in Netanyahu’s government, and takes away from the truth, which is that Israel is a colonial apartheid state who stole the land.
I agree.
nah, Biden and his admin outright said they were going to continue supplying arms to israel. IF, and thats a big if, the GOP weaponized that its because the dems handed them the gun.
Simply amazing that even as Trump and Kushner start up the bulldozers, you imagine the problem to reside solely with Democrats. They played you like a fiddle
Solely? Where did I say solely responsible? Are your democrats so righteous that we must have been played by some master GOP plan instead of admitting the truth that the dems are just also fucking terrible?
they should not be divided it’s a morally straightforward issue
I entirely agree, but the plain fact is, they ARE divided.
they should throw the genocide enthusiasts out of the party
I can only conclude that you're not truly familiar with the Democratic party over recent decades.
oh i am and that’s why i don’t support them
Yes, well, it would be nice if Democrats would absorb the lesson from this election that wringing their hands doesn't get the blood off of them.
This shows a lack of understanding of the situation. Some of the left in the USA needs to understand; 1) there will never be a two state solution. 2) Muslims and jews cannot be friends and live next to each other, the Quran is to blame for that. 3) The only liberal democracy in the area is Israel.
Generally if you steal someone's land and keep stealing that land, you aren't being the best neighbours. What's wrong with the 1948 line?
For over 6 centuries the Ottoman Empire was the safest place in the world for Jewish diaspora.
Those are all deeply political claims. Not simple neutral facts.
Zionists are gross. Be a better human.
Hey, which part of the Quran is to blame for that? Be specific.
The Quran talks about excesses of the Jews just as much as The Torah. But, The Quran talks more about the excesses of the Muslims, and calls them hypocrites. And, there is no blanket denunciation of Christians or Jews in The Quran - but only of specific cases.
Calling a fascist ethnostate a "liberal democracy" shows a lack of understanding of the situation. Muslims and Jews lived together in peace in the region for centuries before modern colonial zionism began at the close of the Nineteenth Century.
This some essentialist bullshit
Some how the only true thing you said there is "there will never be a two state solution" Israel is not a democracy and there are three democracies in the area.
That’s utter horse shit.
Of course Muslims and Jews can be friends! Israel proves that. Because for the most part, Muslims live peacefully and cooperatively in Israel as fellow citizens of the Jews. It is only those who cling to the colonial origin of Islam that cannot be peaceful.
muslim countries saved countless jewish people from the pogroms of europe over the course of a thousand years.
israel is a liberal democracy the same way the US, Russia, and Hungary are
Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together in Palestine for 1,400 years. The conflicts didn't start until 1948. The Quran was published well before that date, so I'm wondering if there is possibly another historical explanation for it.
"Lived peacefully together" is an odd way to describe a situation where Jews were often driven out of our own homeland because we were thrown into debt by the tax that Jews had to pay for being second class humans in our occupied homeland.
We lived under an apartheid IN OUR OWN HOMELAND for 1,400 years under Arab-Muslim colonial rule. And the monument to that occupation still stands on top of our most sacred and one of the most important HISTORICAL sites to our people.
Oh. Oh. Okay. It's YOUR land. Because you stole it fair and square when Joshua led the tribes of Israel across the Jordan and took it. This is and endless loop, stretching back as far as there is any recorded history.
Assuming that I believe my peoples' ancient folk tales beause I am a Jew is like assuming that assuming that a British person believes in the validity of Britain because some kid pulled a sword from a stone. We didn't steal shit. We are Canaanites. www.amazon.com/Were-Early-I...
Whatever. What you are saying is that the Muslims are unreasonable because they think the land is sacred to them, while you know better and understand that it is sacred to Jews, and that's what's really important.
lol is Daniel still haunting my mentions?
If you truly believe that the Jews and Muslims lived peacefully for 1,400 years and ignore that Jews were treated as second class humans in our own homeland under Arab-Muslim colonial occupation then you are nothing but a kapo.
Daniel seems pretty dedicated to justifying mass murder. "We were here first," seems to be his strongest argument, although it's a pretty flimsy argument historically, and wouldn't justify mass murder even if it was true.
He’s been rambling behind a mute there for over a year at this point- maybe one day he will convince the black hole in his hear that he’s not a bad person
No I said no such thing. What seems clear however is that you think "Muslim" and "Jew" are same categories when the former is a religious group and the latter is an ethnic group/nationality. You think they're the same because Islam is the result of Arabs appropriating our culture from us.
Furthermore, Israel proves that Muslims can absolutely get along with Jews and others.
But I digress. You claimed that for 1,400 years, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in the land. Do you deny that Jews were treated as second class people for almost all of that time, that Jews had to suffer a tax for being such, and that many Jews were driven from their homes for failure to pay?
What I think is you are rationalizing mass murder with sophistry.
Yeah yeah Hitler also accused Jews of mass murder. You fucked up though. Because I have no obligation to speak about the current situation until you admit that you fucked up about the claim that Jews and Muslims lived in peace for 1,400 years when Jews were subjugated in our own homeland.
Oh, well. The free palestine movement ruined my country, and now palestine will cease to exist. Seems like the universe is balanced now
the people who voted for Donald Trump ruined the country, blame them
Been saying this for a while. Young idealistic socdem types may make up a very small portion of the overall electorate but they also make up a disproportionately large portion of local dem-aligned political organizers.
The real danger of pissing them isn’t that it hurts you by losing their votes, although to an extent it does, it’s much more so that you’re losing the votes that they’re going into the streets and getting for you, often without pay and without support from party leadership.
If the dems manage to permanently alienate enough of this type of person, they’ll be looking at their own GOTV operations falling apart nationwide and a third party coming closer and closer to totally displacing them within 10-15 years.
Can it be faster than that? Should have been 10-15 years ago.
When regular ass voters become disillusioned, most of them just stop voting, either for a particular election/candidate or across the board, permanently, but you can’t really build a political movement, electoral or otherwise, purely off of apathetic abstentionism.
Alienate your activist networks though and the threat of an actual alternative developing becomes much much much more real.
This applies to everything. In 2014 I was a huge advocate for the Alberta NDP. They turned around and sold out the very things I supported them over within months. Then were confused when I couldn’t be bothered the next election.
And their perfect cosplay of Lougheed-era Conservatives didn't even win them Conservative votes. Turns out, Conservatives like Conservative-branded candidates, no matter what. 🤦♀️
They tried so hard to pander to the oil bros who hate them. While completely demoralizing their base.
This makes a lot of sense. I'd read an open letter from Palestinians asking Americans to vote against Trump because they knew he'd be worse, and pointed that out to people who were planning to intentionally abstain from voting. But this isn't about that part...
The Dems could have had people doing stuff like ballot-cures and GOTV efforts, but they literally cut contact with a huge swath of potential volunteers. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Cutting off their nose to continue a genocide. Harris could've easily committed to an arms embargo, but instead she sent Bill Clinton to insult Arab- & Muslim-Americans in MI. www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10...
Democrats were doing transphobic political ads during the election. They abandoned us during an outright attack and that is one of the reasons why they lost.
They also were working with a former Heritage foundation trustee and campaigned with Liz Cheney.
And promised to put a Republican in the cabinet. Like... if we wanted Republicans in the cabinet, we could vote for Republicans? The Democrats are like an abused spouse, married to the GOP, and still trying to win their favor by conforming to their demands.
The stupid thing is Obama had a republican at like VA but never actually made it a political plank, the 2012 electoral campaign was full on economic populism, however differently he governed
He stacked his cabinet with Goldman Sachs approved people. He sold out all his voters before he even won the election, then capped it off by giving a trillion $ in unmarked bills to the people who crashed the housing market, and he left working Americans to rot. There's nothing to love about Dems.
Yup and never trust politicians they lie to you and everyone one of them are crooks
The dems are moving further right and have been for a while. Like they could have easily courted leftists instead of embracing the right wing
It's almost like the function of the Democratic Party is to create a buffer between the progressive left and real power
Then they'd have to give up all that corporate lobbyist money
Note that Dems are at this very minute campaigning on the same useless "Trump is Bad" platform. Even though it has failed them over and over. How about actually doing something real with the platform, like ending genocide? #Resist #StopUsingMyTaxDollarsToFundGenocide
Right now Ipsos has the generic ballot at D+10 So it's actually working really well
You think there’s going to be fair elections now?
Well if there's not we can thank the far left for doing everything in their power to elect Trump imon a bad faith obviously incorrectly arguments that it would somehow help the people of Gaza even though the actual Gazans were begging people to elect Harris.
Know a lot of Gazans eh?
Yes I do, that's what's do incredible about this propaganda campaign Their best hope was Harris. Trump giving Netenyahu a free hand is the last thing they wanted. Now they basically have no hope at all Thanks to self satisfied American far left for fucking them over completely
at what point did you start caring what was best for Gazans? at what date did you decide you're upset with anyone harming the people of Gaza through their decisions? think carefully!
Oh really? Name one Gazan you know.
@robinsonreynolds.bsky.social hey still waiting for a response to this one
TikTok
Just one Robinson!
Yes. A free hand. Because it was so restrained prior. Eat shit you quisling piece of trash.
Their best hope was Harris, who stated she wouldn't deviate from Biden's policy on Gaza? A policy that left tens of thousands dead and entire cities as piles of rubble? Be for real.
What if anything could Harris have done differently to get elected?
So, are the far left responsible for 10 million voters for biden, not voting for harris, or were they responsible for the decision to continue arming Israel and built the wall, etc.
"The Democrats are polling really well 45 months before the next Presidential election with the same strategy that lost them the election 3 months ago," is the most self-defeating point you could have made.
They lost Latinos and independents over kitchen table issues It will be easy to win those people back. The far left is useless politically, 2000, 2016 now 2024 they always sabotage the country over their stupidity
Their stupidity? The dems are the ones losing these elections. Maybe they could campaign better. Or hell, maybe they could be better, there's a thought.
"It'll work this time! Really!" LOL
OK ladies, we need to be on the same side. You are both right, IMO.
If Rashida Tlaib can swing Michigan with a non-endorsement* imagine what she could have done with a candidate who believed in her cause. *I am sceptical whether Tlaib’s non-endorsement was the reason why conservative white people in Michigan chose Trump.
me too. but it didn't help, and for that I blame Biden, not Rashida Tlaib. once it became clear that Biden absolutely refused to even TRY reining in Netanyahu, and refused to stop supplying them with weapons for their genocide, the Dems loss became inevitable.
Are you this thick?
It's all individual moral failings! I'm uninterested in what external factors influenced non voters decisions. By the way I'm left of center and completely opposed to right wing ideology.
How do you attract so many of these people?
Activists on the ground floor were telling the white house they couldn't get people to talk about anything but the Gaza horrors. The democrat response was too throw away any canvassing that asked about it. This fuck up is 100% on the party.
Dems voted for Harris-Yesterday ASA Hutchinson said he voted for a GOP candidate (himself) but not Harris. So really-who's to blame? Time to make the Cowards of the GOP more afraid of the People than they are of MAGA. Call-got to townhalls-get in their faces-speak your mind LOUDLY #GoldStarDad
Indeed 💯☝️🔥
Who or what are you protecting behind your glib sound bites, but nothing substantive? Not suggesting you are trolls, but.... The EU left is very clear that both Hamas & Netanyahu regimes & leadership are immoral, & have no care for civilians; who are the winners? Netanyahu, Putin, Trump & GOP?
No one cares what europeans think of the leadership of arab freedom fighters.
europeans are barely sapient hogs that would light themselves on fire if it meant they never had to even see a muslim or a jew ever again
The "EU left"? Why do we give a shit about racist European centrists and what they think about imperialism?
European analysis suggests collusion before Oct 7 btw Putin & Hamas, which seems to have benefitted Netanyahu & Trump to blame Biden, Harris & Dems? Outcome suppression of younger pro-Gaza Democrat votes... Once Trump prevailed, pro-Gaza posts on social media eg. X, plummeted? Mission accomplished?
Social media owners literally blocked Palestine posts, what the fuck are you on?
Do you understand what I'm saying? No doubt authentic Palestine voices received reduced visibility after Oct 7, vs pro Israel. You are not aware some actors inc. Kremlin bots etc. who 'flooded the social media zone', esp. X & Facebook, to blame 'the left' &/or the Dems? Now the US has Trump II.
Jesus Christ
These people are just....I have no words. lol
This is a time where I wish Bluesky had a laugh react like Facebook.
Hamas, Netanyahu & Putin.....with Trump, Musk, Murdoch, GOP et al
I implore you to log off
The obsession with elaborate foreign conspiracies is part of the problem.
Really, you Americans are not very smart are you? You had Trump I, then running protection & voter suppression for Trump & Netanyahu by attacking the Dems, for Trump II to prevail. At least the English will not do their Koch-Murdoch-US-Russian Brexit coup again, as they move back closer to the EU.
I am not American.
What "European analysis"? You can share links on Blue Sky. I can't find any trace of a story of that kind suggesting Russian involvement in Oct 7th. Putin had a very cosy relationship with Netanyahu until he started criticising the Israeli actions *after* Oct 7th.
One article for your demand, try harder? Narcissistic codependency btw Hamas - Netanyahu & no empathy for civilians. Both longstanding relations with Putin, whose messenger Hungarian PM 'mini Putin' Orbán, an ally of Netanyahu, Trump & hosts a Heritage partnered Inst. www.axios.com/2022/10/25/u...
Weird why did Biden keep backing him then?
It's the exact opposite of your claim: "...Netanyahu writes positively about Putin and describes him as “smart, sophisticated and focused... ...Netanyahu avoided criticizing Putin or condemning Russia’s actions. He criticized the Israeli government, saying it has been too involved in the crisis."
That's an article about Israelis cosying up to Putin you numbskull.
"European analysis suggests that Charlie Brown had hoes"
No, suggests that Americans are not very smart inc faux anti-imperialist tankies of the left, & Russia's invasion of Ukraine, follow Kremlin agitprop on codependent narcissists* Netanyahu-Hamas regimes; *no empathy for their own civilians, isn't that the issue, but you indirectly choose Trump II? 👏
No it doesn't, that's not true.
Is there by chance a clear liquid leaking from one or both of your ear canals
Did you hear this from Grok?
I was one of the people who voted for them, but put my activist energy elsewhere when I used to organize door knocking weekends
Letting them pretend there was a difference is laughable. These people should be named and never know a moment of peace.
This is sheer crap. Sorry. Were there tons of Republican votes against what was done? Zero. And Trump, as expected, wants to help his criminal buddy Netanyahu and clear out Gaza faster.
Please reread what I wrote
Will do. I read it twice and it seemed like you were supporting the position taken. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll try again.
Democrats by not opposing a genocide left it to organizers who would normally organize around other policies they would benefit from to oppose that genocide. Therefore they lost those organizers who typically do a lot of free work for them.
Even if those organizers ended up voting for them- they were occupied opposing a genocide
Then I did understand it. And I still disagree with the choice of these organizers. Again, sorry. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is never a good idea.
They weren’t they were working on something important that the democrats were not addressing- and in fact were making worse- that’s who cut off their nose
Ok. We'll leave it there. I hate Netanyahu with almost as many fibers of my being than Trump. But I'm still not convinced of the use of the word genocide - although more so now than at any other time. I'd love to know what a moderate or left wing leader of Israel would have done. But...
Stop shipping weapons would have been literally the minimum. It has been done before, it could have been done but Biden is a Zionist.
Fucking Reagan of all people did what Biden would not. There's no excuse to be had.
Right? How cowardly Do you have to be to let Reagan look more human?
if that's what he wants why has he done the opposite so far
What genocide were democrats embracing? White women? 🤔
Gaza. They were giving the green flag for Israel to genocide Gaza. As such, organizers were unable to organize and warn about the coming genocide on our soil mentioned in Project 2025, which meant people who might have voted Harris stayed home or voted Trump or voted a different third party.
Wait what?
Just another troll account. Pay it no mind.
Is this some terf shit, or what?
Yes, it’s hard to walk and chew gum at the same time.
It actually is difficult to protest a genocide and back a Democratic Party that is not only backing the genocide but also calling for you to be personally attacked
That’s a lot of whiny crap. Trump’s positions were well known, his chumminess with Bibby, the project 2025. Now he wants to clear the land. And you want to pretend it’s a surprise. Making a choice between two unappealing options was always the core issue. One was less unappealing. Guess which.
Look the 99% Hitler Gambit didn't pay off and it never will.
“Unappealing choices” aren’t usually genocide. But yanno let’s say you are correct- my post is actually about organizers ability to do things Unless you think genocide should never be opposed clearly having to protest a genocide would cut into the time spent on things that may benefit the Dems
So the voting didn’t actually matter that much from organizers/ it’s a small group of people in numbers- but the fact that they didn’t have time because the Democratic Party was actively backing a genocide and yanno getting them arrested- seems like a bad strategy
Your party deliberately chose to discard votes from the left to try and attract the people who wanted these guys. They promised to put a member of that party in their cabinet. Your party are Nazi collaborators.
Well, I was trying to respond to the guy who blocked me.
Disingenuous nonsense now. Elections are choices. You made yours. Live with it.
It was just last year we were all there.
since you are wearing an UCLA tshirt were you involved in the zionist attacks on the ucla encampment in april 2024 coordinated with admin and lapd?
Lmfao www.latimes.com/california/s...
that’s a yes
If Trump is chummy with Bibi, then why did Biden give Bibi weapons and political cover for Israel's far right government to slaughter Palestinians? Seems politically stupid in addition to being morally repugnant. That should be the Democratic Party's slogan.
Yea like even on the most disingenuous, slimy level, thinking solely about your career, it made no sense to not cut ties immediately but that's our big brain leaders
Harris saw the polls saying she’d GAIN votes if she were anti-genocide, but decided she’d rather lose. So, it’s obviously her fault, but actual cultists always blame the victims, never the perps. truthout.org/articles/pol...
It's not a surprise. Literally no one is surprised. That's such a lazy strawman it's insane. You don't get to hide behind 'whataboutisms' to defend genocide. It doesn't matter what Trump was going to do, you're defending the dems co-opting genocide. That's it. That's the end of the debate
So you're just gonna say "Trump and Biden are the same on the issue" and try to breeze past like it's nothing, huh? Because Netanyahu hated Biden and wanted him to lose...and Biden STILL gave him a blank check to find his """""""war""""""
Nope. I said a choice had to be made. Between two bad choices. One was worse. Guess which. (Look around if you have any doubts.)
What were the Nazis so reviled for, again, dipshit?
You know, I would worry about Nazi salutes more if there wasn't an active Holocaust going on. I get it. These are the images that keep you awake at night. Not children buried under buildings, missing limbs, starving and the list goes on sadly. This is the fascism you want to fight. Why?
"well it's okay if it happens in other places but not to me" oh MB Probably wouldn't have won if they didn't support the whole Israel genociding people thing
hey quick note here if your choices are both some kind of genocide, the fault lies with the people supporting genocide, not the people who have stood firmly against it hope that helps
Say if the dems are meaningfully anti trump why do so many of them keep on voting to confirm his picks without resistance? Why did they rush to blame trans people on reaction for the election in the same pattern as anti DEI gamers and spout TERF rhetoric? Why did they vote for sports/military ban?
Why did they do nothing to resist trump's dismantling of the US government until constituents lit a fire under their ass? Why did leadership get mad that people were telling them to resist Trump? Why did leadership commit to passing his budget?
Why is there multiple instances of democrats praising trump and wanting to work with him? www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...
Why do Biden and Harris *still* brag about taking one of the immediately worst policies of his - anti immigration - and doing it bigger and harder than him? Why were they reaching to him for bipartisan support on deporting brown people?
Why was Biden's administration dead set on eliminating masking in the middle of ongoing covid outbreaks and going into the current bird flu outbreak? Why were dems trying to make it *illegal* to wear a face mask?
Apparently it's hard for a Democrat to breathe and not arm fascists
You know what's easy? Not shipping tons and tons of munitions to genocidaires
This is not a meaningful response, but I'm sure it made you feel better and that's what's important, huh?
The dems co-opted genocide, and to this day liberals defend it. How are they shocked they lost?
I sincerely believe they were shocked how many people actually were against genocide.
Which is just a confusing worldview to have when you look at: 1. How much American pride is wrapped up in fighting tyranny and the nazis And 2. How much pop-culture is centered around fighting evil. We're told genocide is bad by media from about the same age as you learn about death
I think since 2001 the US has just gradually moved to not thinking Arabs of any bent aren’t real people. They were comical “terrorists” before that but since then they’re a prop for whatever imperialist idea they have at the moment.
Anti-muslim sentiments have been, unfortunately unsurprisingly, deep-rooted my entire life. It's just so easy for the average person to close their eyes and cover their ears to avoid thinking about how thoroughly everything about the Middle East is baked in misinformation and misdirection
It’s staggering. I was 20 when 9/11 happened and watched the whole narrative change. It was staggering as a Canadian to see how the US just leaned into it. Bin Laden won ultimately.
This trash says she’s a communist who wants our democracy to end. No need to give her the attention her miserable ass demands.
Bidens support for zionism allienated people with their own moral compass. How many american voters (christian zealots) think for themselves.
I promise you my page is still lit up after blocking 5,000 of these people with them trashing the only Muslim in Congress instead of reflecting that perhaps there's a reason they keep losing to the same man with the exact same campaign. On God they are still doing this 24 hours a day.
I voted for Harris, but if no support of genocide I would have volunteered as well.
Turns out “you have to vote for us you have no other choice” has a pretty hard enthusiasm cap
Trump is the only one who actually said this. But whatever.
Yeah what I’m saying though is Trump actually fucking said it. Not an interpretation.
So your argument is that you are....stupid? Can't understand the meaning of basic utterances?
I’m fighting a lonely war that double quotes can be used for interpretation as casual speech as well as direct quotes, and a smidge of context makes it clear which is meant. Speaking of context, he said it to an audience of swirly-eyed evangelicals who were one billion% in the tank for him anyway.
Just stop. Your take is pointless.
“Please stop saying true things.
My guy we are deep in the replies on bluesky, this is the natural home of pointless takes.
lol
Damn that's crazy, Trump runs millions of liberal facing Twitter and bsky accounts all saying I'm worse than Hitler himself if I didn't vote for Harris
I was planning to donate and put up a sign when she announced ceasefire plans. That day never came (I also voted for Harris, before anyone jumps down my throat)
Same. I genuinely thought when they first announced a change of candidate that it would include a change of policy, given the main factor in Biden's popularity plummet was Gaza. Then they just went with the same old thing.
I think the media pushing the "biden's old" made the dnc think that was the problem, which let them neatly sidestep Gaza. Nevermind the fact their opponent was also old
I was so hopeful that they would use the candidate change as an opportunity for Harris to differentiate herself from Biden. Absolutely opportunity lost.
So true. Harris and her team didn’t take into account that millions of people across America saw children with their heads blown off on Instagram. I know many left people who didn’t vote at all simply because of this. Not saying it’s right, but that’s what happened.
What was particularly galling is that we're so used to Democrats folding on policies at the first sign of opposition. For the Democrats to finally find a spine and take a stand on something unpopular, only for that thing to be GENOCIDE, felt like two betrayals at once.
they care a lot about defending the things their party is actually built on, like corporatism and zionism
Yep. People in DC who normally take some leave in the fall to work on campaigns sat this one out because of the genocide. (One that we know resigned, and their agency wasn't directly involved.)
Yeah I know one person who quit their job and several others who were completely demoralized
We know dozens who were completely demoralized, like "what's the point of the US if this is what we're doing". These were people who were mostly extremely proud of what we'd done in Ukraine.
And what did the protest votes against genocide yield? Mowing down Gaza, taking it as ours and ethnically cleansing the area, refusing to even acknowledge that there are such people as Palestinians, blanket permission to the West Bank “settlers,” etc. We could’ve had Kamala.
Kamala came late to the genocide protest, and she and the Dems should have done a LOT more about restricting arms sales to Israel, a terrorist state only surpassed by Russia and America.
She was in a uniquely difficult position as emergency VP running for President in less than a year Foreign policy is owned by Israeli lobby How can this change without the people of the USA claiming their right to have influence over foreign policy? Constitution makes us powerless except protest
Well you should have protested more
I think she was dissuaded by AIPAC and other lobbies.
yeah, could be. a whole lot of folks love that sweet donation money and it causes a lot of stupid shit like this.
You people are wild. Had Kamala demonstrated *any* disagreement with all of those things you listed, she probably would have won! Seems like she should have!
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You realize that all these things occurred under Biden, with his blessing & paid for with your tax dollars, right? That he sent billions to Israel while his own people struggle to make ends meet? That he sent bombs to murder innocent women & kids? "The other guy is worse" is not a moral argument.
It’s a valid argument. Also, dispensing congressionally approved money for foreign aid has nothing to do with monies to assist US taxpayers.
You're thinking of Genocide Joe
Could you point out which part of that wasn't already happening under Biden?
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All things that happened under the Biden-Harris administration.
Trump didn't take office until late January. All this has already happened. Saying it's gonna be worse isn't really a meaningful threat when you were okay with it being this bad already
I was not okay with it
Certainly seems like it, considering you're still worshipping at the altar of kamala, a candidate who overtly stated she would maintain unwavering support of Israel, continuing bidens policies unabated.
yeah that's all the stuff harris promised to keep doing
No. I guess we will see what happens under this new administration. In my opinion, it’s going to be a lot worse for Gaza. But maybe you’re right. Maybe it’s all the same.
That is the point. It shouldn't be the same, and the Democratic party should have listened to their voter base *more* than a far-right authoritarian who literally wanted Trump re-elected and kept saying it.
We’ll find out soon enough