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Zucchini and chocolate?
Right. I was just curious because of the orange color. ;)
Trump's ego got us here, but interestingly enough, it'll be the egos of the conservative SCOTUS judges who will ultimately tell Trump no on a lot of things before the end comes. They want a career after he's gone, so they won't vote to give away their own power, just like most of Congress.
What color were the tomatoes you used to make it?
Praying someone dies puts you in a state of spiritual resistance and often leads to the exact opposite happening from what you want.
Well, that's not an exact quote, but we can't edit posts, or I would have done so.
As someone once said, "I'm going to say a prayer for you, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to pray for because it would hurt your feelings."
He better not try to make it so that disabled people can't vote who need to be able to vote by mail.
Right-wing people in the US have been brainwashed over the tail end of the 19th through most of the 20th century to vote against their own best interests. That's why they vote GOP. You can't convince religious zealot bigots that they're wrong in 99.9 percent of cases.
That's a lovely thought, but it's never worked that way yet.
Humanoid robots like that aren't a long time away. That kind of robot is in development to be caregivers, maids, and butlers. They can already do a number of household tasks and work in groups when told what to do.
Sometimes, I do think MAGA might be some of the most brainwashed people to ever live in modern history who haven't been literally drugged by someone. They have access to the TV and internet, but they stay in their bubble of nonsense because they consider everything they don't think already as evil.
He already has 2 kids. It would be nice if they do reject what he's taught them, but I won't count on it.
Well, yes, but unfortunately, in a biological sense, speech requires some, at least, rudimentary ability to cognize.
an alternative until they've already been fully brainwashed to discount everything they don't already think as evil.
American religious zealot bigots are different than people who grew up in places like North Korea. North Koreans know there's something different than the way they live, even if they can't access it. American children raised the way right-wing religious zealot bigots often do it won't know there's
Canadians is concerned, these people aren't the kind to expose their children to ideas the don't like either. They tend to home school the kids so that they're fully indoctrinated and don't know about the "real world" outside their beliefs until they are adults and by then, it's often too late.
I thought we were talking about children who will grow up in this era and won't have been alive before it all changed. They're the ones who will grow up and almost never question what they're told unless they have a reason to like not being straight or being trans. As far as the part about
You're welcome!
Not enough of those children do grow up to reject their parents' ideas.
That's not what he thinks he's saying, though.
I'm a Progressive Democrat, but I'm also a southerner, so I'm not going to insult dueling banjos.
Unfortunately, not everyone rejects what they were taught growing up, or everyone not a Democrat would be dead. Also, they have found brain structure differences that seem to be linked to what people end up believing politically.
He also does a YouTube show at 11 AM Central on Saturdays that simulcasts on what I think is WCPT Radio, Chicago's Progressive Talk. He has guests at various points along the week that are in the thick of it in places like Ukraine.
his family on the other days and times.
You should, if you like Hal Sparks and politics, watch his livestream on his channel on YouTube. It's MWF 11 AM central and 5 PM Central for an evening show on those days, 5 PM Central Tuesday evening, and 6 PM Central Thursday evening, barring weather and internet problems. He spends time with
container of sorts.
Work we call "labor' like picking fruit and vegetables won't be done by humans anymore in the near future. There are already machines that can work 24/7 picking fruit by going up and down between the rows of trees. They have arms that move around to pick the fruit and deposit it in an internal
we'll still have a lot of cleaning up to do and laws to change, write, and pass to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Their parents are some of the ones who believe what I said, so they're not nearly as distraught over a child's death as they otherwise might be in a lot of cases. It makes them feel better to believe that the baby is in Heaven and that they'll be together again one day. Even after they are dead
Have you heard the "Couch Humping" song that Hal Sparks wrote to use during his political livestreams on YouTube?
He has 2 kids already.
Yes, I understand. I was saying that a lot of the, perhaps most, won't have a reason to question what they've grown up being taught unless they have a quality that forces them to be different and see things differently than the average straight white man.
Don't forget rubella. That's German measles for those who are too young to remember that.
Unfortunately, they literally believe that if you die in childhood that you don't really deserve to have lived and that you'll "go to Heaven" so it won't actually matter that you didn't reach adulthood.
Or both "teams".
It's still not 0, but it's not huge.
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your standing point in terms of caring about children and scientific progress, they learned that there's not nearly as much of a chance of a child being born with severe problems from closely related relatives like cousins or siblings as they used to think.
They'll grow up thinking, "This is the way things should be." and almost never question it because they'll never have a reason to unless they're not straight or cisgender.
Unfortunately, not all of them do.
father's congregation. He wasn't an extreme Biblical literalist in that way. He was a bigot in a lot of ways, but not to the level of their misogyny we see now exactly.
Fortunately, I grew up before the whole scary evangelical thing started, as far as I know, but my late father was a preacher. I didn't have to see/experience people being forced to sign actual contracts, but the whole submission thing was there. The haircutting thing, however, was not in my
Unfortunately, not all of them will because they will buy into the same ideas not knowing any better and being taught that every other idea they don't have is evil.
The women who buy into backward bigoted religious zealot conservative brainwashing ideas would sleep with him.
Unfortunately, that's not always true or everyone not a Democrat would be gone by now. They breed enough who buy into the brainwashing to stay around.
If they cared about the fact that very young girls often used to die from giving birth, and still do in very primitive places, it would be different.
trouble themselves for it in the afterlife.
Coming from a backward religious family as I do, I think it's more that they genuinely believe everyone not like them is going to Hell to burn in a lake of fire forever and they also believe that if they've not "warned" everyone around them that they deem to be evil about this that they'll get in
How do they put baclava in ice cream without it going all mushy and condensed together since filo pastry is so thin?
There's something about Blue Sky's algorithm that keeps showing me this post every day since it happened.
How is that a pizza?
You're basically saying that psychology discounts medical science and physical tangible reality. That doesn't sound right.
If you're not talking about how the brain works in a way that isn't a normal functioning, then you're saying it somehow has nothing to do with medical science or biology. That doesn't make sense because it would mean it's not a physical condition when it is.
Yes, as long as you put those expectations out there at the beginning.
Neurodiverse people seem to have a much more difficult problem with it than others.
No, it's not entirely. You're right. Experience is essentially subjective. Biology is a basis for what's abnormal, though, in a huge number of ways. Otherwise, medical science wouldn't have baselines and metrics to follow in diagnosis.
That doesn't help. A relationship is not an occupation or job that gives a personnel evaluation of someone's performance. A relationship doesn't have performance metrics or written standards that must be met like a project.
There is a biologically normal manner in which the nervous system functions as most people function a certain way. If there weren't a normal mode of these things, most people would not actually behave in those manners.
think is "honest".
You're right. They honestly, in a number of cases, don't think they're bullying anyone. To me, it's the almost the same when a neurodivergent person claims they're not being rude or mean or hurtful when they don't or refuse to phrase things, when they already know how, when they say what they just
It's wrong when it hurts someone. There's no other way to say it. Intent matters, of course, but it doesn't make it expressly ok.
Communicating the same way for convenience and ease is not "Everyone should be like me."
The thing you're not getting is that, as the neurodivergent person in the minority in a society, whether you like it or not, it's on you to learn this stuff if possible.
Ok, have it your way. You're not going to take on any other view than the one you already have even if it's the majority. Goodbye.
have to adapt or remember what the wrong thing to say, or the wrong way to say it, is a problem.
It has nothing to do with "liking you better" or "masking". Everyone must at least try to learn how to communicate the same way. If you can't, that's one thing, but refusing just because you don't like it or don't think you should have to is a problem. No, you're not wrong, but expecting to not
Sorry, I don't agree with your definition of "ableist". You keep thinking "rereading" will change something. That's a problem in itself.
The "original topic" isn't the only thing talked about in this thread. Threads diverge. They don't always stay like a straight line.
The original post? No, but it was in response to ANOTHER post about something else I said.
I have read them. It's not going to change anything I have said.
or how I say it.
You're not "being assholes" unless you refuse to try to learn what to say and how to say it. You are trying to force society, and yes it is society, to be what you want it to be and that's just not how it works. No matter how many times you tell me to read things again, it's not going to change
Your idea of "genuine feedback" is not how neurotypical people generally think of that phrase. That's a problem in itself. You, no matter if you don't like it, be specific, as I have said, to get the response you want, and hope that the person in question can give it to you.
you want it unless you say, as I have said twice now, something like, "What's wrong with it? You don't have to be nice." and even then, you're not 100 percent of the time going to get that Vulcan-like response from people who can't bring themselves to communicate that way.
You have to, whether you like it or not, and that's the absolute truth in this case, accept and go along with the fact that the majority gets to make the societal rules, period! It's not "comfort" to a neurotypical person. It's how things are in society. You're not going to get a response like
reasonable to expect that you should be able to learn how to do and do it. I read them all. You simply don't agree with what I'm saying. You want people to speak to you as you require to the exclusion of all else or you call it wrong. That's not how it work being an adult in the modern world.
It's just true. They're not going to "speak directly" because it's not a thing in the world in general society for neurotypical people the way you want it. I don't agree with your definition of ableism and I'm physically disabled, BTW. Learning how to say something and what to say is not beyond
It's just a fact that neurotypical people are the majority and don't think or speak literally like you would want. That means it's up to you to be specific when you want feedback that neurotypical people might often find objectionable and just wrong to give in a certain way. It's not fair.
There are, unfortunately, some very messed up families where children grow up, if not physically abused, with constant mental and emotional abuse telling them that they're worthless pieces of garbage, so they crave the opposite their whole lives until they find it in a fulfilling way.
As I said, it's just a thing in society that you learn as you grow up, since most people don't speak or think literally as you want, that certain things mean certain things when said certain ways. Learning this is important to do.
They "hear things that haven't been said" because there are learned inferences and intentions behind the way certain things are said in a society, usually, that mean certain things. Neurodivergent people don't think that way and the neurotypical person can't guess that you're neurodivergent.
You can learn these missing bits over time. Neurotypical people don't think or speak literally most of the time the way you would want.
Oh, there are people who want to be able to say whatever they like without having to care about how it sounds or is received.
You're right, but that's not something you "agree to disagree" about because it's a fact of academia in that case. Most people won't go looking for harsh answers on purpose in general. Academia is a subset of people who will in many fields.
You have to personally and literally ask for it in terms like, "What's wrong with this? You don't have to be nice about it."
That's what I meant when I said you should be able to learn how not to say things and if you refuse, that's no longer on the neurodivergent people. People aren't going to "say what they mean" the exact way you like or want it in many countries because it's not a socially appropriate thing to do.
That's a good point. "Criticism" has a negative connotation in the US, specifically because it's usually framed as, "This is what you did wrong." and people don't always want to hear it that way without some cushioning.
like communicating that way without having to think before you speak. That doesn't work in a modern society.
because they find it difficult or they don't like it. That's not how being an adult works. If you refuse to adapt, or even try, that's no longer on neurotypical people. That's you wanting, and this is the honesty level you al appear to want, to be given a license to be mean or a jerk because you
behavior. Now, what occurred to me is that, yes, neurotypical people should care about how neurodivergent people see and understand things, but from some neurodivergent people, I get the feeling that they think they shouldn't have to even try to follow the general society's rules for tact just
problem. As I told someone else, you have to be specific with neurotypical people and say something like, "What do you think about this? You don't have to be nice about it." That'll get you what you want unless the person in question is emotionally incapable of being that direct due to learned
Something just occurred to me a few minutes ago as I was thinking about this problem. First, they're not asking you to literally read their minds, but, over time, you should be able to remember and learn specific things not to say in a certain way. If you refuse, that's no longer anyone else's
Almost no one speaks or thinks literally that way. That's the problem. That can be a huge problem depending on the situation. It's a default for neurotypical people to couch things in a way that they believe will be as unconfrontational and unproblematic as possible.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Goodbye.
It's not as hard as it sounds. It's a matter of degree. Think about what you want to say and then think of a way to say it that is closer to neutral. I have a hard time believing neurodivergent people are incapable of tact.
About what? We're not talking about paint preferences. We're talking about real human behavior and attitudes.
think of it is how societies "get along". That's the whole "unwritten rules" thing. Avoiding saying anything that might upset someone, hence not going into detail about criticism, is just a "thing" in general society, most of the time. Germany is one exception.
You're taking this in a way it's not intended just like neurotypical people take your kind of honesty the wrong way at times. I don't know what to do with a phrase like "self-serving sheep" because I equate that with people who are usually conspiracy theorists, sorry. A "fakeness", as you might
Unfortunately, in life, the majority of a population gets to make the rules. It's not always fair, but that's just how it is in a modern society.
The way you phrase your opinion is how it becomes unkind or not. That's where tact comes in then. I think feedback, the way you mean it, isn't the right word to use for neurotypical people. What, I think, you should say is, "Tell me what's wrong with this and you don't have to be nice about it."