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Eliot Higgins @eliothiggins.bsky.social

I think Labour’s problem is that, as power has shifted to technocrats over recent decades, its ambitions have shrunk to chasing populist policies shaped by an algorithmically skewed version of public opinion, one amplified by rage-bait rather than grounded in reality.

aug 10, 2025, 9:10 am • 1,073 194

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=8)-DX @8dx.bsky.social

It's not even related to public opinion or even populist - its an elite pundit and politics bubble..

aug 10, 2025, 11:11 am • 0 0 • view
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Alice Hare @towerblockwalks.bsky.social

2 words beloved of Left Wing commentators/observers- Hate & Rage. But a lot of people/voters in UK are not 'haters' (a stupid childish word) and are not in a 'rage' either; many ordinary people simply don't trust the EU. Lefties (me too) have a Punch & Judy view of the opposition (I don't). Merkel.

aug 10, 2025, 5:27 pm • 0 0 • view
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Chris @baron-of-navan.bsky.social

spot on

aug 10, 2025, 4:57 pm • 0 0 • view
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@stefanpaetow.bsky.social @stefanpaetow.bsky.social

Labour is still chasing votes instead of getting on with governing. See 👇👇

aug 10, 2025, 9:23 am • 3 0 • view
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Kay-Win @thirdsky.bsky.social

Labours biggest issue at the moment is that they're now desperately trying to keep the approval of the right win audience, which is just causing disapproval from both sides, completely fisting up the arse their chance at staying in power

aug 10, 2025, 10:27 am • 7 0 • view
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Kay-Win @thirdsky.bsky.social

Follow me for more woke content

aug 10, 2025, 11:16 am • 0 0 • view
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Kay-Win @thirdsky.bsky.social

Wing* sorry just noticed

aug 10, 2025, 10:52 am • 2 0 • view
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Rushty @rushty321.bsky.social

Apart from investing in the NHS, stopping train strikes, bringing train ownership back into public hands, banning no fault eviction, home building policy, restoring neighbourhood policing, overhaul of Ofsted, free breakfast clubs, extended free nursery to 30 hrs/week, I could go on……

aug 10, 2025, 12:01 pm • 0 0 • view
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Kay-Win @thirdsky.bsky.social

I see your point and understand where you're coming from, but these are all long term pledges. The recent push for immigration stuff is risking overshadowing these to validate the right wing framing of migration instead of leading with what labour should really be standing for.

aug 10, 2025, 12:10 pm • 0 0 • view
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Rushty @rushty321.bsky.social

It’s only being criticised by the far left and far right. Step out of your echo chamber.

aug 10, 2025, 11:31 am • 0 0 • view
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Kay-Win @thirdsky.bsky.social

Keir starmers approval rating has dropped significantly, and there are more non far leaning citizens than otherwise. His sudden shift towards immigration rather than dealing with actual huge issues is definitely not pandering to the left.

aug 10, 2025, 11:58 am • 0 0 • view
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Phil McDuff @mcduff.bsky.social

If you count everyone except an extremely narrow group of absolute dead enders as "extreme left and right," sure.

aug 10, 2025, 12:54 pm • 3 0 • view
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Kay-Win @thirdsky.bsky.social

I wanted to say this but I wanted to be more articulate in my response as to not be hit with the same shallow response of "you're in an echo chamber lol"

aug 10, 2025, 1:00 pm • 0 0 • view
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Phil McDuff @mcduff.bsky.social

Everyone who disagrees with the opinion of me and 4000 people who all work within 750 yards of Westminster is in an echo chamber 😎

aug 10, 2025, 1:02 pm • 0 0 • view
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Kay-Win @thirdsky.bsky.social

You've got a front row view of all the reform MPs not showing up to parliament

aug 10, 2025, 1:06 pm • 0 0 • view
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Ian Black @balmachreuchie.bsky.social

Who told Rachel Reeves to demonise snails 🐌 or did she think of that herself?

aug 11, 2025, 5:53 am • 0 0 • view
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arbie11.bsky.social @arbie11.bsky.social

U just not listening to the changes they are making. My pay has gone up by 10%+ in just over 1 year. The LP needs to be more effective media managers to be heard. People I work with didn’t even know they had just been paid more!

aug 10, 2025, 9:28 am • 8 1 • view
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Nicky @haystackgirl.bsky.social

I doubt you’ll get any responses to this. Doesn’t fit their agenda. Very pleased for you that your pay has gone up. That’s Labour for you.

aug 10, 2025, 10:12 am • 2 0 • view
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lauraborealisuk.bsky.social @lauraborealisuk.bsky.social

What's your job if you don't mind me asking, and how has the labour party enabled your lovely pay rise?

aug 10, 2025, 11:26 am • 0 0 • view
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arbie11.bsky.social @arbie11.bsky.social

Acute care hospital. Settled a rise immediately in office then increased further for last year and 3.6 % for this year . 3 pay rises under this Government. Waiting lists down, modernisation of work patterns, joined up thinking on future projects with a clear pathway

aug 10, 2025, 12:33 pm • 1 0 • view
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lauraborealisuk.bsky.social @lauraborealisuk.bsky.social

So you count a new role as a pay rise, and count April 2024 and 2025 pay rises as one year. I'm also in NHS. 3.6% promised in April but we won't get it till end of August, so effectively no pay rise since April 2024 -before labour. Plus inflation is 3.6 percent, so no net increase at all.

aug 10, 2025, 12:47 pm • 0 0 • view
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arbie11.bsky.social @arbie11.bsky.social

Cash is king to me. I’m a 40 year in on this. Previous to LP I had little or no pay rise for 14 years because I’ve been top of my grade for a couple of decades now. I’m happy with with this Government. Greatly relieved my kids might have a future now in this country

aug 10, 2025, 12:53 pm • 1 0 • view
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lauraborealisuk.bsky.social @lauraborealisuk.bsky.social

Re: your kids future sadly I think you are mistaken. I'm also top of pay scale for over a decade. Not sure what cash has to do with it

aug 10, 2025, 1:36 pm • 0 0 • view
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arbie11.bsky.social @arbie11.bsky.social

Spending in economy is on the rise as cash is left in pockets , helps my son s business. Investing in Research helps both my daughters as they are researcher scientists. So keeping this government is an imperative

aug 10, 2025, 2:17 pm • 0 0 • view
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Internet Of Games @internetofgames.bsky.social

It is embarrassing to watch and the AI assistants are also clearly becoming 'less willing' to incorporate critical opinions in their responses to requests. Again a bias impossible to overcome when automated extremist replies, zettabytes of synthetic tropes are pulled through the model every day.

aug 10, 2025, 12:36 pm • 0 0 • view
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Internet Of Games @internetofgames.bsky.social

The internet is pretty much useless already. It is nearly time to go back outside everybody.

aug 10, 2025, 12:37 pm • 0 0 • view
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Jack Churchill's Arrow @churchillsarrow.bsky.social

The UK media blamed the Blair/Brown government for the global financial crisis and Labour did the square root of fuck in trying to aggressively push back on it. Labour has never recovered from it. It's built on apologism, "please let us borrow power, we promise to always pander to RW framing"

aug 10, 2025, 11:32 am • 5 1 • view
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Gregk Foley @gregk.co.uk

It's interesting that you say 'power *has shifted* to technocrats' in a passive voice and I would be interested to hear which actor(s) you think determined this trajectory. Because it *has been observed* on both sides of the Atlantic and opinion polls would suggest it isn't voters who wanted it.

aug 10, 2025, 12:54 pm • 11 3 • view
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John Richmond @johnprichmond.bsky.social

I have a friend who is a municipal politician - really struggles to debate policy. Prefers "public opinion" and often says "all the policy experts are neoliberals. You are the only one who isn't."

aug 10, 2025, 2:27 pm • 1 0 • view
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James Leakyboots Batty @jamesbatty.bsky.social

Nicely put; and that's what drove me out of the LP.

aug 10, 2025, 10:57 am • 0 0 • view
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Roy Bennett @roybennett.bsky.social

Which is tracked back to Thatchers "the enemy within" aka them v us, moment, either you were wiling to be a Thatcherite to hold power at all costs, or become accustomed to being shut out, left behind and marginalised. The gatekeeping has just intensified over the decades, and here we are.

aug 10, 2025, 12:01 pm • 0 0 • view
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amoeba @amoebadesign.bsky.social

that scene from The Thick Of IT ... where they discover the woman from the Think Tank is an actress...x 10000000 x social media x vichy spads and gen Z influencers

aug 10, 2025, 10:46 am • 0 0 • view
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Den Hala @asrahn.bsky.social

Underestimate not the simple power of lobby pressure and capital taking the reigns over time either. Follow whose material interests they safeguard and you will find the core of the issue.

aug 10, 2025, 10:22 am • 0 0 • view
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Den Hala @asrahn.bsky.social

Algorithmic policy hunting isn't an end of itself, but a means to maintain power while paying lip service to "what the people want" while you're emptying their pockets on behalf of those with means, who you really represent.

aug 10, 2025, 10:24 am • 0 0 • view
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Cat 🐈‍⬛ @bluesea13.bsky.social

Yes but ignore populist outrage at your risk - see #Brexit

aug 11, 2025, 7:06 am • 0 0 • view
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4u1e.bsky.social @4u1e.bsky.social

Same for the Tories, surely?

aug 10, 2025, 9:18 am • 0 0 • view
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Eliot Higgins @eliothiggins.bsky.social

Indeed

aug 10, 2025, 9:19 am • 2 0 • view
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mandascott.bsky.social @mandascott.bsky.social

Or, in other words, their entire existence balances between pacifying the Mail Online Comments trolls and their (Labour's) corporate backers... none of which has anything to do with actually creating a future that *might actually work* in the midst of the 6th mass extinction.

aug 10, 2025, 11:04 am • 0 0 • view
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Chris Smith @ledredman.bsky.social

The Labour Party has ceased to offer any political leadership or attempt to sell progressive policies to people. Instead they react like mindless puppets to the crap they get fed from focus groups. They really have become like Tories. They only exist to get and retain power.

aug 10, 2025, 9:20 am • 17 0 • view
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Rushty @rushty321.bsky.social

Apart from investing in the NHS, stopping train strikes, bringing train ownership back into public hands, banning no fault eviction, home building policy, restoring neighbourhood policing, overhaul of Ofsted, free breakfast clubs, extended free nursery to 30 hrs/week, I could go on……

aug 10, 2025, 11:30 am • 5 0 • view
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NoChemLen @lenniep.bsky.social

Am not so sure there is investment in the NHS so much as money going to private companies to support the NHS.

aug 10, 2025, 3:36 pm • 0 0 • view
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Rushty @rushty321.bsky.social

I’m sure it’s a bit of both but it’s all about results for those that need treatment. I had a rotator cuff repaired a month ago, in an NHS hospital, probably because doctor’s strikes had been stopped.

aug 10, 2025, 3:45 pm • 0 0 • view
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NoChemLen @lenniep.bsky.social

Yes, important for people to get treatment and cut waiting lists, particularly in the short term. But long term, private companies need to make a profit and as we've seen with water and rail, customers (patients) are not the priority with no real competition.

aug 11, 2025, 6:20 am • 0 0 • view
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Chris Smith @ledredman.bsky.social

The arguments for privatisation include the claim that private industry is more efficient. All the evidence in the UK is that privatised entities with no meaningful competition are far more inefficient and wasteful than nationalised organisations.

aug 11, 2025, 6:43 am • 4 2 • view
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Chris Smith @ledredman.bsky.social

I have to be honest that the cataract eye treatment I have received from NHS private contractors was excellent with zero waiting. They also spotted a detached retina that the optician had failed to notice, but of course I was referred back to an NHS hospital to fix that.

aug 11, 2025, 6:52 am • 0 0 • view
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Rushty @rushty321.bsky.social

I think there’s a place for small independent specialist clinics. If it speeds up delivery and positive outcomes. If they’re not delivering an efficient, cost effective service, then they can be dropped.

aug 11, 2025, 7:03 am • 0 0 • view
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Chris Smith @ledredman.bsky.social

Such clinics do provide a good service ( see my other post) but they are creaming off the easy routine work. It's not at all clear to me why a nationalised organisation couldn't do exactly the same job.

aug 11, 2025, 7:15 am • 0 0 • view
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Rushty @rushty321.bsky.social

Yes and no. The NHS is a massive organisation that undoubtedly needs restructuring. It’s clanky and inefficient. In my experience it’s excellent at administering emergency care but the follow up services can be poor. I don’t have an issue with a reasonable profit being made be a private provider.

aug 11, 2025, 7:46 am • 0 0 • view
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kiersturmer.bsky.social @kiersturmer.bsky.social

🤡

aug 10, 2025, 12:49 pm • 1 0 • view
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Rushty @rushty321.bsky.social

Wow, that’s not very nice is it. I’ll tell your mum to turn off your internet if you’re rude again.

aug 10, 2025, 2:01 pm • 0 0 • view
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danaiolos.bsky.social @danaiolos.bsky.social

Feeble minded politicians chasing the votes of our most feeble minded in society, all falling prey to the Billionairrative peddled by disingenuous journalism… it’s all rather pathetic, really. bsky.app/profile/dana...

aug 10, 2025, 9:40 am • 0 0 • view
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Phil Gundy @philg42.bsky.social

Yes. Grounded in whatever our right wing media says is important. Labour is being led around by the nose.

aug 10, 2025, 2:10 pm • 0 0 • view
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Chris Dickenson @cpdickenson.bsky.social

Its problem is that post-Blair they think the only way to win voters is to use focus groups to see what voters want. They’ve given up trying to persuade voters through argument. But the right spends a lot of energy and money persuading people. The focus groups reveal opinion shaped by that.

aug 10, 2025, 9:31 am • 46 5 • view
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Lenny Sundahl-Stewart @lennysundahl.bsky.social

cc: @democrats.org

aug 10, 2025, 11:53 am • 3 0 • view
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Jim Prescott @jimprescott.bsky.social

Labour is now engulfed by a self ascribed narrative that only its right wing can win elections. The tragic & untimely death of John Smith in 1994 has had untold long term consequences. The UK would be very different if he had been alive to win in 1997.

aug 10, 2025, 12:18 pm • 1 0 • view
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Kathleen 🌲 @mossgatherer.bsky.social

I think that's part of it but it absolves them of the motive behind the chase: staunchly right wing backing and mission.

aug 10, 2025, 10:22 am • 2 0 • view
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Kathleen 🌲 @mossgatherer.bsky.social

As for Starmer himself, he has no beliefs. h He only wants to be head boy. In that regard, he'll do anything.

aug 10, 2025, 10:23 am • 2 0 • view
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Along for the ride 🌮 @ridder.bsky.social

Sounds so..... familiar to this Yankee.

aug 10, 2025, 1:40 pm • 0 0 • view
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JZ - #NeverAgainForAnyone 🟣🍉 @john1jz.bsky.social

Shifting its internal structure from a 600k membership to a narrow/ narrowly-funded faction with extremely few socialists tolerated, and most purged, can’t help give it any breadth of vision surely?

aug 10, 2025, 9:59 am • 3 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

I'm sorry, but the Corbynists are a disaster for the UK. I hope you'll never find out just how awful they'll be if given power.

aug 10, 2025, 2:36 pm • 2 0 • view
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JZ - #NeverAgainForAnyone 🟣🍉 @john1jz.bsky.social

Here’s the last manifesto which 10.2 million people backed us to win on. Explain what’s awful then. ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/wmatrix/ukma...

aug 10, 2025, 3:42 pm • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

I'm not going to comment on the internal matters, as those are unfamiliar to me. But on the points where I do have familiarity: 1) Energy - this is nothing but feelgood speech. Especially considering that this was back in 2019. Most of what's written here will be unrealistic even in 2040.

aug 11, 2025, 5:48 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

We will change the criteria a company must meet to be listed on the London Stock Exchange so that any company that fails to contribute to tackling the climate and environmental emergency is delisted." This section is particularly delusional. This will only encourage more fraud.

aug 11, 2025, 5:48 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

Brexit: "This will be a legally binding referendum and we will implement the people’s decision immediately ... Labour rules out a no-deal Brexit" I don't think there's anything more that needs to be said here about this obvious contradiction.

aug 11, 2025, 5:48 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

"A new internationalism" section is simply astounding. Certainly, apologies for past massacres and such is fine, necessary, perhaps, though of questionable utility. But the lack of strategic thinking and failure to understand the UN are incredible.

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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

Also, in the defence section I'm also seeing a complete lack of understanding of how the modern economy works in the form of comparative advantage. It does not bode well for the internal economic plans, if this is the level of understanding.

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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

And this is not even including Corbyn's tankie positions, such as on unilateral nuclear disarmament, delusional view of NATO, even post Feb 24, or especially nowadays, as the CRINK alliance is shaping up with each passing month and whose influence is spreading throughout most of the world.

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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

The program you've linked shows the understanding of a 12-year-old of the world who desperately wishes the world was not as it is and keeps telling himself that as long as he wishes hard enough, it will happen. That is a very dangerous approach in the age of neo-imperialism that has already begun.

aug 11, 2025, 5:48 am • 0 0 • view
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HotDog89 @hotdog89.bsky.social

probably true. Starmer is big problem . He is the most anti democratic PM of Labour party ever.Bliar who I often disagreed with had at least a bit of common sense and did not enter into areas that were problematic

aug 10, 2025, 11:14 am • 0 0 • view
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CorbynWasRight @corbynwasright.bsky.social

Labour's problem is that they have a weakling leading it, a mam who cannot make a decision on his own, a man who had and still does unequivocally support a regime committed to a genocide. I would like to see him in front of the #ICJ. @keirstarmer they are coming for you for that and for locking up

aug 10, 2025, 1:50 pm • 0 0 • view
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CorbynWasRight @corbynwasright.bsky.social

Grannies and grandads for carrying a piece if fecking paper, whilst you let people doing nazi salutes get away with it, #KeirStarmer, you're a bit of a Berkeley Hunt mate.

aug 10, 2025, 1:50 pm • 0 0 • view
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Miska Knapek @miskaknapek.bsky.social

💯 Some of the more popular Swedish prime Minister's were trade union leaders, with their feet in touch with the realities faced by the population at large. Today's technocrats not so much.

aug 10, 2025, 9:37 am • 1 0 • view
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tweetypie.bsky.social @tweetypie.bsky.social

I think the problem is that the shadow cabinet are cunts

aug 10, 2025, 3:25 pm • 0 0 • view
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ruralriding.bsky.social @ruralriding.bsky.social

Example of an argument disappearing up one’s own rectum.

aug 10, 2025, 6:42 pm • 1 0 • view
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annekin1.bsky.social @annekin1.bsky.social

I think this is true with regard to certain policies (immigration for example). I constantly bemoan the fact politicians prefer the apparently easy populist route to win votes, which then comes to bite them in the arse bc the reality, which can't be hidden forever- see Brexit- is far more

aug 10, 2025, 10:24 am • 0 0 • view
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annekin1.bsky.social @annekin1.bsky.social

complicated. However when they do try and promote other policies, net zero etc, which I think Labour are working really hard on achieving, it gets virtually no coverage. So I'm not sure there's a solution to this.

aug 10, 2025, 10:27 am • 0 0 • view
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Josh @joshwoolcott.bsky.social

Amplified by the fact that the proposed solutions tend to align with their already preexisting authoritarian tendencies

aug 10, 2025, 9:26 am • 4 0 • view
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🐟 Northern Do Gooder @missfairhurst.bsky.social

It's also got the problem of a Brexit it allowed to pass that was always going to be very harmful to the UK. It can't bring itself to admit culpability for where we are now and that interferes with its ability to tackle the issue head on. Essentially, Labour is still acting in bad faith over Brexit.

aug 10, 2025, 10:59 am • 4 1 • view
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Donaldslhadjim @donaldslhad.bsky.social

Being peopled with Tories and Zionists doesn’t help the labour movement

aug 10, 2025, 2:22 pm • 0 0 • view
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Skriak @gaystation64.bsky.social

It's got to the point I can't even call them a lesser evil, really. They've been absolutely awful in barely a year.

aug 10, 2025, 10:21 am • 0 0 • view
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Sara Lamie @saralamie.bsky.social

This timeline fucking sucks.

aug 10, 2025, 1:10 pm • 2 0 • view
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Lomelindi12 @lomelindi12.bsky.social

That chimes with me

aug 10, 2025, 9:22 am • 2 0 • view
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sleort.bsky.social @sleort.bsky.social

Walk the streets, talks. ✌️🫵❤️💪👊🇩🇰 🫵

aug 10, 2025, 1:20 pm • 0 0 • view
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Nicky @haystackgirl.bsky.social

I think they’re just getting on with the fucking job while all around them chatter. Chatter, chatter, chatter. Pointless, unproductive chatter.

aug 10, 2025, 10:19 am • 4 1 • view
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NAKd.life @tozarowicz.bsky.social

This is chicken/egg. Supply meets demand, rage-bait sells because buyers buy rage. Internet policy is required because the Internet is so popular... but the Internet is promoted to save sellers money, not because it saves buyers money. So, extended to all policy... 🤔

aug 10, 2025, 12:46 pm • 0 0 • view
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iainmac57.bsky.social @iainmac57.bsky.social

Don't forget the lobbyists that Reeves, Starmer and Co. courted pre and post election

aug 10, 2025, 1:56 pm • 0 0 • view
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Wokerati International Brigades #FreePalestine #JustStopOil @wokeinter.bsky.social

The truth is that the Labour Party has been taken over by a cabal of rightwing infiltrators for whom attacking leftwingers, supporting Zionazi genocide, declaring peace protesters terrorists and grunting hate at immigrants is much more important than doing anything that would actually improve lives.

aug 10, 2025, 4:35 pm • 1 0 • view
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Bro. B!O!F! @brobof.bsky.social

Labour has been captured by the #CorpRats www.goodreads.com/quotes/10405... to denounce its Marxists, the media - having tasted blood - would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives...

aug 10, 2025, 10:11 am • 1 0 • view
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Frank @frankieboy1964.bsky.social

UK's problem is continuous WM Incompetence.

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aug 10, 2025, 6:37 pm • 0 0 • view
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Wendy Richardson @changethestory.bsky.social

Well that & they’re a shower of self-serving, power-crazed monsters who patronisingly refer to themselves as “the adults in the room” in hope this description takes the rest of us down a peg or two. They use the law in a heinous & draconian way to stifle dissent & instil fear. They’re toxic.

aug 10, 2025, 1:15 pm • 0 0 • view
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Clive Warner @adventurist.bsky.social

I take a rather more simple approach. It seems to be a bunch of people with PPE degrees who have never had a proper job easily swayed by private interests.

aug 11, 2025, 3:32 am • 0 0 • view
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Paul @paking.bsky.social

They are just the other side of a duopoly of fascism!

aug 10, 2025, 12:02 pm • 0 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

Labour’s decline is directly linked to the PLP’s shift away from the Trade Unions. To the point where the PLP now prioritises tax breaks for the Wealthy over living improvements for low income households. Appeasing anti-union Murdoch and Musk destroyed their foundations. They’re crumbling now.

aug 10, 2025, 9:16 am • 9 1 • view
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Exo_genesis2 @exogenesis2.bsky.social

The unions are also much weaker and less representative now than they were 50 years ago.

aug 10, 2025, 9:17 am • 0 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

Because Labour failed to Undo Tory legislation under Blair as he grovelled to Murdoch. The further the Labour Party drifts from the Unions the weaker it gets. Until eventually it talks about the Unions as opponents (like Streeting does) and ceases to have a political faction to represent.

aug 10, 2025, 9:28 am • 3 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

The Tories have always had landlords and bankers etc as their core constituency. Labour now only has the PLP caring about itself and breaks Machiavelli’s rules about patronage. They have no base to represent other than themselves.

aug 10, 2025, 9:33 am • 0 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

The Unions haven’t grown weaker because people stopped caring about their working conditions. They grew weaker because of anti union legislation from the common enemy of everyone in the UK. @houseofcommons.parliament.uk

aug 10, 2025, 9:34 am • 1 1 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

Labour used to work for the majority; which was a solid mechanism for persuading people to vote for them. Now it’s run by self serving factional middle managers. With no connection to the grassroots of the movement.

aug 10, 2025, 9:25 am • 12 1 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

Interesting opinion. I feel it’s the reverse: that a modern Labour Party (as with any effective ruling party) should be able to sit in between business and unions and bring them together without being on one ‘side’ or the other. The remaining union ties, for me, trap part of PLP in the past.

aug 10, 2025, 11:08 am • 0 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

It’s the *Labour* Party. Try looking up what that means. “Sitting between business and unions” is such Centrist bullshit.

aug 10, 2025, 12:21 pm • 5 0 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

a) that’s exactly the response I expected you to give b) So while the world moves on at an ever quickening pace, economics is unrecognisable from 125 years ago (c.f. $ quadrillions in options markets today), our politics “must” be bound to 125 years ago? c) … and whither the “Conservative” party?

aug 10, 2025, 1:03 pm • 0 0 • view
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Craig @craigforth.bsky.social

does business still require labour?

aug 10, 2025, 1:08 pm • 1 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

No don’t ask that question! The Centrist Middle Manager with zero understanding of the world outside their little bubble of privilege could be easily triggered.

aug 10, 2025, 1:15 pm • 0 0 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

That’s the interesting question: What happens when capitalism gets so good at making profits out of intellectual property that it no longer needs to employ people? (Ironically capitalism has only ever been successful for the masses due to the “annoyance” of having to employ labour to die the work.)

aug 10, 2025, 1:52 pm • 1 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

Interesting typo with the “die” that’s why the Labour movement matters. Less people dying for capital.

aug 10, 2025, 1:53 pm • 0 0 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

What do you imagine a ‘Labour movement’ should do? Turn back the clock? Tell companies not to use AI? You do realise that a Labour movement is an irrelevance in a post-work world?

aug 10, 2025, 2:09 pm • 0 0 • view
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Craig @craigforth.bsky.social

there is no post-work world that's going to arrive during our lifetimes, and yeah they should demand companies stop using ai where the application is a nonsense

aug 10, 2025, 2:36 pm • 1 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

This post-work nonsense is almost as delusional as Musk’s colonising Mars fantasies. Amazing people still believe this nonsense 🙄

aug 10, 2025, 2:50 pm • 0 0 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

Fascinating. You genuinely believe that?

aug 10, 2025, 2:49 pm • 0 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

We don’t need AI (in it’s current form). It’s only function is to reduce wage payments for already overly wealthy parasites. Also someone have to be utterly delusional to believe we live in a post work world this century.

aug 10, 2025, 2:47 pm • 0 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

Robotics is decades away from achieving human flexibility. LLM are utter crap. Whatever fantasy world you’re living in reality is going to hurt when you collide with it.

aug 10, 2025, 2:49 pm • 0 0 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

LLMs are largely hype, I agree. But I wouldn’t bet against the Deep Learning crowd: E.g.: this lot, teaching cars to drive cities, such as London wayve.ai/thinking/

aug 10, 2025, 3:04 pm • 0 0 • view
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QuetzalcoatlusWellnessInstitute @8t3v3n.bsky.social

It hoards them in copyright cabals so people have to work to pay for anything in a rentier economy.

aug 10, 2025, 1:56 pm • 1 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

Because with Labour and others selling out to the lie that Billionaires earned their money; we have a new form of economic feudalism.

aug 10, 2025, 1:57 pm • 2 0 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

And when the machines do (almost) all the work?

aug 10, 2025, 2:10 pm • 1 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

Are you imagining stuff again? Because AI and Robotics are decades away from that. Despite the hype that some gullible fools buy in to.

aug 10, 2025, 2:26 pm • 0 0 • view
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QuetzalcoatlusWellnessInstitute @8t3v3n.bsky.social

i.e. It's never going to happen.

aug 11, 2025, 1:45 am • 0 0 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

So if you were expecting that reply why didn’t you just shut up knowing it was the reply you’d get? Because you’re a clueless ignorant reply guy who adds zero value with your commentary. Or is people repeatedly telling how clueless you are the closest you get to human interaction these days?

aug 10, 2025, 1:20 pm • 0 0 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

In other countries, company management and unions work together, unions have a seat on the board. I imagine that such constructive, productive, collaboration must give you the horrors.

aug 10, 2025, 1:08 pm • 2 1 • view
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Head Like A Hat @prettyhatmachine.bsky.social

Far from it. You do imagine a lot of things and then think they are real though. Instead of imagining things have you considered learning stuff?

aug 10, 2025, 1:21 pm • 0 0 • view
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David Hamilton @davidneilhamilton.bsky.social

Good. We have some common ground. Now let’s talk about how we achieve such a system in Britain, in a two party state where one aligns closely with business/management* and other is literally institutionally connected to the unions? (* technically Tories put xenophobia ahead of everything else)

aug 10, 2025, 1:47 pm • 1 0 • view
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QuetzalcoatlusWellnessInstitute @8t3v3n.bsky.social

They serve their donors and the rest is fighting over scraps of social policy like most neo liberal economies verging on fascism.

aug 10, 2025, 1:54 pm • 0 0 • view
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James Soper @soapysoaps.bsky.social

Yep, that makes sense

aug 10, 2025, 5:16 pm • 0 0 • view
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Bridget PJ Cousins @beepj.bsky.social

That’s a very astute analysis. Thank you

aug 10, 2025, 3:26 pm • 0 0 • view
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NoThankYou @flounderingsome.bsky.social

What!? When did this come in?

aug 10, 2025, 2:27 pm • 0 0 • view
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Phil McDuff @mcduff.bsky.social

Wild how everyone told you that these people were like this, that Liz Kendall and Rachel Reeves and Yvette Cooper and Wes Streeting were all precisely this kind of person, that this is what they've been saying they want to do for years, but somehow none of that counts in this Kremlinology?

aug 10, 2025, 12:51 pm • 13 1 • view
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Kris (he/him) @krisstewart.bsky.social

You are very rudely pointing out the screamingly obvious, and I'm glad that the sensible grown-ups in the room here are ignoring you.

aug 10, 2025, 12:58 pm • 1 0 • view
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Phil McDuff @mcduff.bsky.social

Hahahhahaha sorry that people are so rude to the Sensible Centrists who have been obstinately wrong for a decade and are now trying to work out who shat in their pants. 👍

aug 10, 2025, 1:01 pm • 4 0 • view
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Phil McDuff @mcduff.bsky.social

Almost as if there's some period, 2015-2024 say, where the sensible opinion havers were all extremely aggro about this analysis being dead wrong, the kind of thing only freaks and morons would say, which we don't want to examine at all. Weird, isn't it?

aug 10, 2025, 12:52 pm • 7 1 • view
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Poet Sue @poetsue.bsky.social

1/2 I think unfortunately the relentless migrant bashing by the likes of the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph in particular have swayed public opinion against migrants. That doesn't mean it is right but it is a reality that the majority of people in this country see migration

aug 10, 2025, 2:35 pm • 0 0 • view
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Poet Sue @poetsue.bsky.social

as a reason for their woes. Labour can't ignore this because it is now entrenched in a lot of peoples' views. It might not be our view but it is a view that has been pushed so heavily it has taken hold. So Labour have to deal with the perceived issue. Otherwise Reform will get into power in 2029.

aug 10, 2025, 2:37 pm • 1 0 • view
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Sara Straw @oneoneder.bsky.social

I think Labour has a different problem. It has no idea how to grow the UK economy and doesn't think UK has money to pay for better government services (the traditional Labour program). (Labour should build a metric ton of housing.) So it's concerning itself instead with dividing a shrinking pie.

aug 10, 2025, 10:22 am • 7 0 • view
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Sarah Chapman @sinurata.bsky.social

They have literally committed to building 1.5 millions homes this Parliament. Have you not noticed that?

aug 10, 2025, 10:19 pm • 0 0 • view
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Robin Lud @fleshoversand.bsky.social

The bigger problem is that "economy" in the west has shifted from something real, tangible and more beneficial for an average person, to virtual crap, like finance, speculation and other "services", which makes it quite hollow and not particularly stable.

aug 10, 2025, 11:04 am • 8 3 • view
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G R Foster @tdh270.bsky.social

I'm glad someone else see's this.

aug 10, 2025, 11:41 am • 3 0 • view
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Sara Straw @oneoneder.bsky.social

How about the west opens up a bunch of new coal mines and you go work in them

aug 10, 2025, 5:34 pm • 0 0 • view
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Jim Prescott @jimprescott.bsky.social

The problem is the neoliberal profit imperative. Problems, from the economy to public services & from infrastructure to inequality can be directly traced back to 1979. Even the Blair/Brown reforms were just a temporary sticking plaster, using PFI etc to store up problems for the future.

aug 10, 2025, 12:29 pm • 0 0 • view
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The Life and Legacy of George Arthur Roberts @thelifeandlega1.bsky.social

A clear-sighted summary. Can't wait to vote this government out.

aug 10, 2025, 5:18 pm • 0 0 • view
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Frida Ghitis @fridaghitis.bsky.social

Has power really shifted to technocrats? Seems like populists are making bigger gains

aug 10, 2025, 9:14 am • 2 0 • view
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Eliot Higgins @eliothiggins.bsky.social

Yes, populists gain visibility, but much day-to-day governing still sits with technocrats. Populists often rail against them in public while leaving core policy to the same managerial systems behind the scenes.

aug 10, 2025, 9:20 am • 11 2 • view
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Judi Sutherland @judisutherland.bsky.social

Who are these ‘technocrats’ of whom you speak?

aug 10, 2025, 11:33 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

I suspect it's the so-called deep state, as well as other functionaries with high ability to influence decision making such as advisors, etc. The point being that such people are not bound to public opinion, but rather to their knowledge and beliefs. And that is a double-edged sword.

aug 10, 2025, 2:48 pm • 0 0 • view
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Judi Sutherland @judisutherland.bsky.social

Well it seems we don’t know who we are blaming other than a shadowy ‘them’. We have to be able to do better than that.

aug 10, 2025, 4:35 pm • 1 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

There's nothing shadowy about them, just that you are not familiar with the thousands of functionaries that take part in creating this organism.

aug 11, 2025, 6:00 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

It's just an artifact of how large systems organise. If they were more vulnerable to political changes, then the system would not function effectively due to loss of institutional knowledge, changes, outright corruption, and all the other flaws of political appointments.

aug 11, 2025, 6:00 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

Yet by allowing this technocratic power to form and become immune to political shifts, it also creates the "Brussels effect", as I like to call it. Not only does it result in policy decisions that are not necessarily popular (even though they may be correct!), but it also results in an easy

aug 11, 2025, 6:00 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

scapegoat for populists to blame literally everything on, regardless of veracity. There's no perfect way to handle such things. Especially as humans prefer to not inform themselves accurately and rely on heuristics and "sounds about right" hearsay on social media when it comes to such topics.

aug 11, 2025, 6:00 am • 2 1 • view
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Judi Sutherland @judisutherland.bsky.social

And you are familiar with them? Who are they?

aug 11, 2025, 7:41 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

I am familiar with some of them in my country, however in Romania we have the exact opposite. Over here, most high-end functionaries are the children, wives, or mistresses of politicians, or in some cases even people in the party that did propaganda work with the expectation of receiving a boon.

aug 11, 2025, 7:55 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

For example, I worked at an agency that was part of the Ministry of Labour, and out of the approx 60 people there, around 50 were such cases. Basically, there were 4 people doing any serious work there - The judicial advisor, the accountant, the driver, and the security guard.

aug 11, 2025, 7:55 am • 0 0 • view
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Turbo Unicorn @turbounicorn.bsky.social

And the driver was the boss' handler from the SRI (internal spy agency, basically). Before that, I almost worked at the Romanian Cargo Railway at a department dealing with international relations. The director over there was working 60+ hours a week trying to keep things running, as he was the only

aug 11, 2025, 7:55 am • 0 0 • view
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Frida Ghitis @fridaghitis.bsky.social

Maybe that’s the case in the U.K. In the US the technocrats are increasingly being replaced with unqualified loyalists

aug 11, 2025, 8:38 am • 1 0 • view
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Eliot Higgins @eliothiggins.bsky.social

I'd say thats one way to distinguish between a hollow democracy and disordered democracy.

aug 11, 2025, 8:41 am • 4 1 • view
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@raystonian @stonia2.bsky.social

No, labour just became colonised by right wing cunts

aug 11, 2025, 2:04 am • 0 0 • view
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Jorge @antartica81.bsky.social

Not just Labour either

aug 10, 2025, 9:48 am • 2 0 • view
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Eliot Higgins @eliothiggins.bsky.social

The problem’s worsened by a popular press chasing the same engagement metrics, amplifying outrage to fit platform incentives. This creates a feedback loop where distorted public opinion drives headlines, and headlines drive distorted politics.

aug 10, 2025, 9:13 am • 290 35 • view
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ktolu.bsky.social @ktolu.bsky.social

When politics don’t go ahead and lead, but trail public opinion‘s trail

aug 10, 2025, 10:56 am • 0 0 • view
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Bradders633 🇬🇧 @bradders633.bsky.social

The same phenomenon is having a disastrous effect on BBC News coverage

aug 10, 2025, 9:32 am • 3 0 • view
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PlanetaryPeace @h-lane.bsky.social

this loop seems to be everywhere.

aug 10, 2025, 11:25 am • 0 0 • view
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Sam @smithsam.bsky.social

and those two feed back upon each other in some cases – online safety is implementedly widely to cause the consequences wanted by those making the decisions. X tweets BBC news links as instinguisable from links to only fans – which clealy has consequences

aug 10, 2025, 8:32 pm • 0 0 • view
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Peter Dyke @peterdyke49.bsky.social

Isn't it the other way round, with the Labour government chasing the popular press in their desperation for sales/clicks/popularity?

aug 10, 2025, 12:18 pm • 0 0 • view
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Jim Obey @jimob1.bsky.social

Focus group led managerialism.

aug 11, 2025, 8:55 am • 1 0 • view
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ewanhussami.bsky.social @ewanhussami.bsky.social

In particular though, it’s important to remember that most of the right wing press have and will always push as much to the right as they can: on any issue. Tories in the past have mostly been more cautious Jenrick, Farage etc will ride the racist far right train as far as it will take them

aug 10, 2025, 9:40 am • 2 0 • view
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Matthew Jee @freedomforall.net

The left have failed to enunciate a progressive vision for the last fifty years at a minimum. It is how the right succeeding in pushing the centre ever rightward, privatising government power, and making the 'left' into red-tie wearing Tories. Everything you are describing is downstream from this.

aug 10, 2025, 9:43 am • 6 0 • view
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brokenmarrow.bsky.social @brokenmarrow.bsky.social

Tbh, I think this is huge part of the problem. Starmer is terrified of the RW press. It was evident during the election campaign and is twice as evident now.

aug 10, 2025, 9:32 am • 25 0 • view
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Michele @michele67.bsky.social

If only he would use his vast majority to rid us of the non dom billionaire owners. Levenson 2 should be implemented but for some reason Labour doesn’t see it as a problem.

aug 10, 2025, 9:45 am • 19 2 • view
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Jim Prescott @jimprescott.bsky.social

And they should purge the BBC of its right wing Tory overlords too

aug 10, 2025, 12:10 pm • 13 1 • view
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Leanest Optician @vertigoem.bsky.social

He's not terrified of them. It's a symbiotic relationship. He's just hired the former editor of The Sun

aug 10, 2025, 1:06 pm • 1 0 • view
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floot the gender woo gerbil 🇵🇸 @flootzavut.bsky.social

& he appears to have no actual beliefs or principles that are important enough to him to ever say "XYZ is more important than me being PM." He's always cap in hand begging to be liked, never actually standing his ground on something he believes to be right, because there is _nothing_ there.

aug 10, 2025, 10:05 am • 3 0 • view
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Cornelia Kristiansen @cokristiansen.bsky.social

📌

aug 10, 2025, 9:55 am • 1 0 • view
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Edward Natusch 🇬🇧🔶 Licenciado en Ciencias Económicas. 📈🏦💵 @edward-natusch.bsky.social

This.

aug 10, 2025, 10:13 am • 0 0 • view
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TheMollusk @gttswiafr.bsky.social

Or also technocrats just do what oligarchy allows them to do

aug 10, 2025, 4:04 pm • 0 0 • view
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pmh @clearlight.bsky.social

I think their problem is that they’re a bunch of horrible bastards. We can all see them for what they are, and they’re finished.

aug 11, 2025, 5:05 pm • 1 0 • view
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Lynn Bird @lynnjbirds.bsky.social

It's tragic to have been given a mandate to invest in the NHS, utilities, rail and deprived areas but instead you choose to blame migrants, people living with disabilities and kids for having SEND post-pandemic.

aug 10, 2025, 9:21 am • 24 10 • view
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Sarah Chapman @sinurata.bsky.social

People always say they want investment in public services. They even say they'd be happy to pay more tax for it. But when it comes down to it, they do not vote for parties that say they will raise taxes. This has been shown over and over and over again. Labour are just trying to square that circle.

aug 10, 2025, 10:11 pm • 1 0 • view
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Lynn Bird @lynnjbirds.bsky.social

Fair taxation would be welcomed. Make it harder for the v wealthy to avoid tax, especially non-doms & unearned wealth. Lower the threshold for anyone earning less than 50k. Make the unspeakably wealthy Crown Estate fund public service investments e.g. investments in public renewables will pay back.

aug 11, 2025, 10:33 am • 0 0 • view
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Sarah Chapman @sinurata.bsky.social

Agree with many of your prescriptions, but you're wrong to think these would be welcomed. Look at the massive fuss over VAT on private school fees, IHT on rich farmers, even about the ending of non-dom status - all of which Labour have enacted. And the Crown Estate have literally just announced

aug 11, 2025, 12:43 pm • 1 0 • view
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Sarah Chapman @sinurata.bsky.social

£400 million investment in renewables. There is plenty more Labour can do around taxing unearned wealth (I'm in favour of a land tax myself, wealth taxes have been shown not to work) and they ought to be doing it.

aug 11, 2025, 12:43 pm • 2 0 • view
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Lynn Bird @lynnjbirds.bsky.social

VAT on private school fees is not a vote loser at all. The right wing press are very noisy about it but it really only affects a tiny minority. Getting rid of private schools altogether should also be an aspiration. Eton, Harrow, Dulwich etc are holding us back as a nation.

aug 11, 2025, 5:23 pm • 0 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

As it’s a minority, screw them eh? Listen to yourself..

aug 11, 2025, 5:30 pm • 0 0 • view
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Sarah Chapman @sinurata.bsky.social

Oh my god, lets pity the poor millionaires. Listen to yourself.

aug 11, 2025, 5:36 pm • 0 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

Why do you think they are all millionaires?

aug 11, 2025, 6:00 pm • 0 0 • view
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Lynn Bird @lynnjbirds.bsky.social

Mostly inherited wealth, that is taken for granted by people who don't realise most of us don't inherit land, property and old wealth. The less than 10% that go to private school should not be able to dictate tax breaks for themselves, it's a ridiculous privilege.

aug 12, 2025, 8:08 am • 1 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

It isn’t and wasn’t a tax break. My question was lot well-framed. Why do you think all private school parents are millionaires? They are not. Not by a long chalk.

aug 12, 2025, 8:28 am • 0 0 • view