Trump in WWII would let Europe to Hitler saying is a good man after all. Why? Because TACO
Trump in WWII would let Europe to Hitler saying is a good man after all. Why? Because TACO
like dropping a nuclear warhead or 3.
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Ohio trash too stupid to know history, what a surprise
We all remember when the nazis were allowed to keep one death camp for the funsies
What a moron
Revolutionay War: Surrender Civil War: Surrender WWI: Surrender WWII: Surrender Korean War: Still going (?) Vietnam War: US withdrawal War on Terror: I kinda feel like we made it worse and then just pretended it's over. War on Drugs: Drugs won War on Christmas: Imaginary
Best of lists here.
War on 'woke'/progressivism... ongoing. Wonder who's gonna win that.
How bout Trumps 7 wars that he won?
Thought it was 10?
I got list in the maze of lies.
*lost
Brilliant. This old history major thanks you very kindly.
Don’t forget the new War for Cracker Barrel.
And the one over Sydney Whats'her-face's boobs.
All those poor biscuits! It’s just insane!!
But that war is still ongoing and will be bloody and brutal and last for who knows how long and how many casualties. The casualties...
Just send it back, they’ll cook it a bit more.
So many crackers. So many barrels.
No more roast beef with mashed potatoes and gravy and carrots and green beans. I shan’t stop weeping.
youtu.be/uZmxZThb084?...
I just watched the series on the PBS app. I’m sure you know this. The Union certainly did not negotiate to end the war. And as a big FU to Lee, buried their soldiers in his yard in what is now Arlington National Cemetery.
Germany didn’t surrender in 1918.
Don't forget the War for our hearts and minds
That ended with thoughts and prayers
War on Cancer: RFK Jr and Elon killed US biomedical research infrastructure War on Truth: still raging…
tbf WW1 ended with a ceasefire then months of negotiations - the war didnt officially end until 1919 WW2 ended with Soviet Union and western ally troops meeting up in Berlin and Hitler dead in his bunker - wouldn't even have mattered if they hadn't surrendered they were beaten
*in Europe. The war in the Pacific ended with Japanese surrender.
Waterloo too
The war on Christmas os real and will continue for as long as Christmas occupies Thanksgiving. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Christmas will honor a ceasefire but only if Thanksgiving cedes the entire month of September and Christmas music is played in all stores from January 1 thru December 25. Otherwise all turkeys will be kidnapped and raised as elves.
Halloween has entered the chat.
Ack. There are already little pumpkins in a big bin at the grocery store.
That’s BS: Christmas has invaded Halloween’s turf.
Christmas was only able to get to Halloween by defeating Thanksgiving. Now Black Friday starts on Thursday.
Just another example of the failures of US educational system. No one sat down to "negotiate" with Hitler.
It’s not a failure of the education system. He is an Ivy League educated attorney. He’s lying purposely. A lot of them know the truth but ignore it to make excuses that sound palatable for Trump’s behavior. He was a never Trump guy until it benefited his purpose. He has no morals.
It is when millions of voters believe the prick.
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Today what you suggest as a failure of education, is the agenda. This is fascism: There is no need for propaganda to be rich in intellectual content. Joseph Goebbels
It is a failure of education when millions of voters don't see through the propaganda and outright lies.
He thinks WW2 ended by negotiation? Or WW1? Or the US civil war? Or the US war of Independence? WTAF?!
Didn't WWI end with a negotiation, hence the potency of the "stab in the back" narrative which helped propel Hitler to power? WW2 ended with the unconditional surrender of both Germany and Japan, the allies having learnt from their mistake.
No. It ended mainly because the Germans surrendered after the US came into the war& the allies walloped the Germans during 1918. There was no negotiation except among the allies. The Germans had to accept the terms. The myth of the stab in the back was that the Germans had a choice about any of it.
The opposite is happening in the US now, of course - the fascists have learnt from their failures to seize the levers of authoritarian control fully during 2017-21, while the interim 4 years saw the rest of the country complacent about the nature of the threat because they failed first time round.
It did, though the German army was collapsing on the Western Front, and the German Empire itself collapsed before the armistice on November 11th 1918. The Dolchstosslegende in some respects resembles the Lost Cause of the South, which still has potency some 160 years later (hence VP Vance).
And, of course, the Korean War never officially ended.
And there was that famous negotiation that ended the Vietnam War...
A good illustration of what happens to an ally when the US withdraws military support and provides a private security guarantee.
Also what happens when you have a vast bureaucracy that can't imagine the end of its world discontinuednotes.com/2025/04/16/l...
The prototype for all failed western interventions was of course the Russian Civil War 1918-21. discontinuednotes.com/2021/08/31/j...
WW1 ended in armistices followed by diktat peace treaties that were not negotiated (there would not have been a "war guilt" clause if they were). The Turks had a revolution and fought another war to get their peace treaty cancelled and a new one instead, but we brush over that bit.
Perhaps he's alluding to the Yalta Conference. Maybe he read the wikipedia page on Operation Keelhaul and thought "yeah, that's how you do deportations".
The longest conflict in English history ended with this negotiation: one leader had half his head lopped off, his body draped naked over a horse and buried unceremoniously to be rediscovered over 500 years later, and the greatest playwright in English history blacked his name a century later.
We did not give Nazis land they invaded.
Thiel's little helper, doing as he's told.
Did Walker push back?
Welker
Not a chance. There's a reason these MAGAts pick her show to go on.
We make them an offer they couldn't refuse.
Hitler negotiated with a bullet?
The bullet had the best arguments?
Stupid of course. The only negotiations were among the Allies dividing the spoils of war, or acquiescing to Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe. There were no meaniful negotiations with Germany/Japan. Best interpretation: JD is obfuscating. Honest interpretation: he's lying.
He went to Yale! OMG! But also OSU, so maybe that explains it.
Every day they show the world how grossly incompetent they are.
That's weird. I thought they just disappeared like a miracle. Like the trump covid.
Poster boy for “What the heck happened to education in the USA!!”
A negotiated unconditional surrender
The negotiator in chief... www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6l...
This moron knows absolutely nothing about WWII
You could have stopped at “This moron knows absolutely nothing.” Just sayin’…
You don't need to know history when you are a rich and famous man.
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He knows nothing about anything but his eyeliner application is second to none.
I do believe your sentence is perfect with a period after "nothing".
The sick thing about JD is he knows, he knows, he knows exactly what he's doing
They are delusional revisionist historians and total psychopaths.
He is either extraordinarily ignorant or deliberately obfuscating in order to pursue policies which are detrimental to countries which have been invaded, notably Ukraine & Gaza (& the West Bank). In other words - evil.
Vance is an idiot.
The end of WWII came with *checks notes* just a couple atomic bombs “negotiations”
Both Germany and Japan surrendered unconditionally. They were both bludgeoned into submission. The only negotiations were between the Allies as to how things would be managed after they surrendered. Vance is a cretin.
Worse. He's a magat dumbass that only says what dear leader wants him to say.
Yes and he has no problem lying to the public either!
That's a prerequisite to be maga
Prerequisite for fascism. If you tell a lie, tell a big one. Joseph Goebbels
I don’t remember WW II ending with any negotiations beyond “take it, or leave it”, JD. But perhaps we live in different universes.
Unless, of course, by “since” he means “after”.
Open a history book and read how WW2 ended. Hitler committed suicide and Germany surrendered.
What??? OMFG! Hitler committed suicide and his Generals and Admirals surrendered. We dropped two nuclear devices on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. There was a big ceremony in Tokyo bay on a US Battleship...McCarthur? Unconditional surrender...
JD Vacation is again interpreting history to suit his needs. Russia started the war, Russia is loosing war, Russia can end the war tomorrow by leaving.
From now on he will be known as JD Vacation.
I second the motion.
Negotiations with the Japanese....
That’s rough!
There was a second round of negotiations. Much more "productive"
How counterintuitive it may seem today, they probably saved millions of Japanese lives and also hundreds of thousands of US lives if the US would had to invade the Japanese mainland. The Japanese would had fought to the last bullet and man making the invasion of nazi Germany seem like a cakewalk.
The Japanese were starving. All of their money was going to the war efforts. My old boss told me that his family had nothing to eat but grass. They welcomed the US military. Because as usual they brought food
That show how absolutely ruthless the regime and military was. They would had continued to fight a meaningless fight until the bitter end and not care one bit about the suffering and mass deaths of civilians.
From what I heard in Japan, they were thankful that we ended the war. An elderly man on the street had me sign an autograph book, and gave me two little paper dolls that he has made. He had old scars all over his head.
Yet another reason to pay attention if you have opportunities to make change. We are so fortunate yet so aggrieved. Likely won’t work out well for us.
The Japanese were, when you look at the history, on the verge of surrender -- albeit deeply divided on it. The anti-surrender faction fought their case to the bitter end even after the bombs.
Not saying that the bombs made no difference, they certainly did, but they likely didn't stop a full-blooded invasion -- it wouldn't have gone that far.
Negotiations? Were those negotiations before or after Hitler shot himself? We dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. Not much to talk about after that Viet Nam was a retreat I don't recall Sadam Hussein negotiating from that spider hole he was hiding in
JD Vance’s history books are… different.
My gosh…I truly do not know how these fucking stooges look in the mirror.
JD thinks this is negotiation.
J "mansplain" D Vance displays pompous ignorance.
She makes Chuck Todd look competent.
Why would they bomb a city that’s already bombed?
Why does Putin?
What an ignorant, stupid cůnt.
What is Vance’s background in the history of wars? When our leaders make statements, the content should far more detailed and accurate than Uncle Blowhard at Thanksgiving dinner.
Hillbilly Stupid
The Unconditional Surrender was a policy announced by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt at the 1943 Casablanca Conference, demanding the complete, total military defeat of the Axis powers (Germany, Italy, and Japan) without any negotiation. But ok couch fucker.
Even the WWI armistice, which should’ve been negotiated cuz it was an armistice & not a surrender by one side, was a ‘Take-it-or-leave-it’ demand by the Allies to Germany. The terms were so harsh, it led to WWII by the resentful Hitler German military who felt that they hadn’t been defeated in WWI……
Hitler left a mess on his couch too.
I know what you are referring!🫡
It is difficult to know whether AI or the #Trump administration has the greater number of hallucinations.
Vice president of the USA is illitirate in History.
JD- Dude, WWII ended with Germany and Japan SURRENDERING. The only negotiating was between Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin on how to divide the spoils.
What happened in Germany ya dolt?
What about the American Civil War?
World War One ended in negotiations; we know how that ended with World War Two!
There was no 'negotiation', JD. Germany was defeated and surrendered. Russia always held onto territories whereas others gave them their sovereignty. For 500 yrs Russia has been imperialistic and barbaric, starving and imprisoning millions of people. It's a Mafia State Gas Station.
Americas negotiation with Japan largely boiled down to dropping two nuclear bombs on them.
The aggressors were not rewarded at the end of WWII. Peter Thiel's pet is spoiled mayonnaise.
Espera, o sea, mi ingles no es muy bueno, ¿el tipo ha dicho algo de un final negociado en referencia a la II Guerra Mundial?, ¿cual?, ¿la de los elfos y los enanos?, ¿la de los trolls y los orcos?, ¿los cronopios y las famas?, porque si no es una de estas, la otra, la gorda, ¿en serio?, majaderooooo
Iraq was forced out of Kuwait.
Ah yes, America ceded parts of its territory to Japan, when Pearl Harbor got attacked.
I’m not sure VP is remembering his WWII history very clearly.
Even the WWI armistice, which should’ve been negotiated cuz it was an armistice & not a surrender by one side, was a ‘Take-it-or-leave-it’ demand by the Allies to Germany. The terms were so harsh, it led to WWII by the resentful Hitler German military who felt that they hadn’t been defeated in WWI……
It's a long standing feature of conservatives.
Coming soon to a Smithsonian near you!
The clip doesn’t show if Walker pushed back on any of this ahistorical blather?
She never does. That's why they go to Welker but never to MSNBC and almost never to CNN.
Hundreds Of Thousands Negotiated To Death In Hiroshima And Nagasaki
Hitler "negotiated" a bullet in his brain when the Russians arrived, and Japan "negotiated" the searing heat and blast damage of the atomic bombs..
… and, we shot down Yamamoto’s plane and executed Tojo! The Italians didn’t wait for surrender, they immediately took care of Mussolini themselves. In the end, the leaders of Axis Powers were all rotting Hell for their aggression.
that's why I am saying lately be careful what you wish for an "acting president Jamey Bowman" is going to be much worse the "we" he used when talking about FBI raid on Bolton and the "working group on weaponization" even scarier than his views on Ukraine #Project2025 puppet-masters will love him
All of the Axis powers were defeated and surrendered - there was no negotiation.
And dead!
Montgomery's reply when the Germans asked to negotiate: "Firstly, you must surrender to me unconditionally...If you do not agree to Point 1, the surrender, then I will go on with the war and I will be delighted to do so. All your soldiers and civilians may be killed."
No wonder this guy goes on holiday so much. He's a no nothing idiot who either lies about something to fit a predefined narrative or just makes things up because he doesn't know the facts. Yale law needs to do better at betting candidates that can't figure out that Germany surrendered in WW2.
He knows their followers don’t know history and won’t doubt the messaging they put out.
Exactly this.
This is a clear Nazi working here. It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success. Joseph Goebbels
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Yeah, Vance knows as much about military history as he does about the culinary habits of recent immigrants.
Ah, yes. The story he admitted to making up.
How can he sound more stupid every time he's on tv????
Follow up: So Mr. Vance, sir. If a group of armed men stormed your house and demanded you hand over ownership, how much of your home would you be willing to let them have in order to create peace? The garage? The garage and one powder room? Tell me about the negotiation on that one, please.
Rap, I love that you mentioned powder rooms! We still ask for them when visiting in The South.
Haha! Thank you. What would we ask for instead? The bathroom without a shower or tub? We aren’t troglodytes.
Cunt has never read a history book in his life, what a cretin.
So we’re taking advice from a dimwit? Or private bone spurs Marvelous
Dresden, Occupation of Berlin, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki would like a word...
Ummm-
The world in chaos when ignorant people rule #facepalm
Breaking news: peace did not happen because soldiers suddenly walk off the field and went home.
True, however, some negotiations are particularly one-sided as in the case of the US v Japan.
Welker is terrible at this job. Vance is worse.
It’s hard to be consistently wrong, but somehow Jefferson Davis Vance pulls it off.
There is 1 major problem no matter how much $$$$$ FASCIST Thiel throws at US #EverybodyHatesJDVance No charisma No honesty No integrity No class & he likes couches way too much! x.com/waltb31/stat...
Will you stop that!
What a weirdo, that dude!
This permanent vacationer, this 0 had the nerve to provoke war hero, brave statesman Zelenskyy with trivialities.
The couch would disagree
www.snopes.com/fact-check/j...
Why did he change his name multiple times? Why did he change his name b4 he go married?
JD's on his fourth name. Wasn't he raised as a Baptist? I seem to remember he was a declared Atheist for a while. Next Buddhist I think? Now he is a hardcore Pope-extinguishing Catholic.
Took the opportunity to change his name & still ended up with JD What a friggin dork
Hey, give him some credit, it could easily have been VD
Did he change his middle name to David because he thought Donald was too ridiculous ? Asking for a friend A friend of his', not a friend of mines...
Fake Hillbilly. Loser. Asshole.
I don’t know ANYONE who changed their full name multiple times. I know women who’ve taken their husband’s names, but that’s all. JD’s name changes are shady as fuck.
I will bet that he was picked on! He needed to recreate himself over and over again to try to outrun the feelings of inadequacy.
Look at him! Mr. Maybelline almost has the accordion playing down, he wants to so much be like his master
Mr Maybelline is literally a dum fuck
Wrong.
Just imagine if Trump or Vance were president during WW2.
It'd be Man in the High Castle
I can’t bc I know they’d drop the atomic bomb on us.
We'd all be posting on BlueSky in German.
It would be Biden’s war
Trump is not negotiating anything. He's bowing down to Putin and his agenda. We're supposed to be allies with the Ukraine. Trump doesn't act like an ally!
Yes, soon as Trump and Putin got a room together this is what happened. Recall Tulsi, Musk and the GOP all went to Russia for indoctrination. Republicans on the 4th of July for theirs.
Another response from Vance that could be AI slop. I’m telling you all again: this is a replicant, cooked up in some lab owned by Peter Theil.
Yes, Theil has an agenda and it is not support of democracy, and the Constitution.
This would truly explain a lot.
Vietnam, famously.
He just says stuff and expects people to believe him.
Fascism, lying is the program. If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself. Joseph Goebbels
That sad part is that so many people do.
Vance knows sweet FA. Germany and Japan both surrendered. Hitler killed himself, shooting himself in the head in his bunker on the 30th April 1945. No negotiation on his part.
Even the WWI armistice, which should’ve been negotiated cuz it was an armistice & not a surrender by one side, was a ‘Take-it-or-leave-it’ demand by the Allies to Germany. The terms were so harsh, it led to WWII by the resentful Hitler German military who felt that they hadn’t been defeated in WWI……
Which is still a step up from Mussolini's "negotiation."
Yep, didn't go so well for him or his mistress who ended up hanging upside down at a gas station.
I can’t stand Welker she’s a PR consultant masquerading as a journalist. I bet she didn’t question his answer
jeez, the man's an idiot.
He is an illiterate
Dubya Dubya Two ended in a couple’a mushroom clouds, dummy.
Unconditional surrender was not a negotiation.
Este individuo es casi más ignorante que su jefe
Clearly JD flunked high school history. How embarrassing, but MAGA will never know the difference.
and by the way America was kicked out of Vietman and could only accept surrender
Germany was totally destroyed twice first ww economicaly second ww totally , Vance is wrong again
We'd probably be better off without TV news and interviews. The politicians are way more skilled than the hosts, interviewers and reporters so all we get are talking points and lies. The tv press no longer works for the people
This is so incredibly stupid. Germany and Japan were both defeated militarily. These were unconditional surrenders. There was no negotiation involved.
Here's your very own Makarov, JD, I'm sure you can find a bunker somewhere and put an end to this war for you.
Q: "Kristin Noem said someone was eating their own flesh on a deportation flight. What's your response?" A: "Well that's something that's been happening since the beginning of time, putting food on the table."
Um, no.
Hitler negotiated by blowing his brains out
Not what actually happened in ww2.
What a stupid cunt
A VP that doesn't know history. AWESOME!
Ninety nine percent of Trump’s administration is incompetent clueless about America’s history their positions the government and how to govern. Full stop
The thing that makes this really sick is that he does know. He just has no hesitation about making up bullshit if he thinks it'll help the fascist takeover.
Even the WWI armistice, which should’ve been negotiated cuz it was an armistice & not a surrender by one side, was a ‘Take-it-or-leave-it’ demand by the Allies to Germany. The terms were so harsh, it led to WWII by the resentful Hitler German military who felt that they hadn’t been defeated in WWI……
He knows. It’s his supporters that are too stupid to know the difference or just don’t care and are willfully ignorant.
Yes, I knew how WWII ended with I was about 10.
I have the newspapers.
He just wishes the nazis had won.
Sounds like a nugget from the Peter Theil school of failed intellect.
@nbcnews.com let “JUST DANCE” get away with it. If he wants WWII analogy why is Ukraine giving up land. Germany had to forfeit land. So did an Italy. Remember East Germany?
Would not be the first.
You know what else came at the end of WW2? The Nuremberg trials.
Referring to ICE? Be nice if sooner than later.
Bravo....worth stressing on a regular basis!
That negotiation tends to go something like this: "We've run out of bullets and shoes. We surrender. "
Black & white video of trump returning from his victorious meeting with Putin in Alaska. Nobel Peace Prize incoming!
Dude needs to take a history class 🙄
What a dumb-ass statement!
Napoleon didn't get much of a say after Waterloo..
Vance displaying his historical illiteracy, and the systemic failure of the American educational system.
JD Vance is so weird. He is comfortable lying, but he’s also terrible at it.
because he doesn't care enough to be bothered at crafting good lies. he just figures that if he says it, enough people will go with it, for it to be a useful thing to say.
Also quite comfortable with it.
JD Vance is so weird. Every press interaction he runs through all his practiced facial expressions, often inappropriately like a poorly synced robot
I’m not entirely convinced he’s lying, that would require knowing and understanding the truth. I think he’s just incredibly stupid; more dumb than trump, if possible.
Troy was destroyed, Carthage’s ruins salted.
He must have missed the part about how both theaters in WW2 ended. Hitler shot himself. Unconditional surrender by Japan after the allies refused all negotiations.
The Japanese, who started WW2 in 1937, famously held out in caves and refused to surrender on countless pacific battlefields. They only stopped fighting when confronted with insurmountable scientific advancement (face-saving development gave them an 'out'). There was no negotiation whatsoever.
Apparently there was one whom was still in a cave for longer than that and they had to find someone that was his superior to tell him that they lost and to stand down as he didn't believe it was over.
WWII ended with a suicide and an atomic bomb, you dumb mother fucker
JD, did you even say Thank You?
Or a nuclear bomb. Dipshit, history, study it, you would be amazed.
He gives hillbillies a bad name, most of them know WW2 wasn’t a negotiated deal. Yale should revoke his diploma.
I am not sure I would put 'Unconditional Surrender' under the category of 'negotiation'; would have thought Vance better informed re human history. This is the way that most major conflicts have ended other than the very messy ones and this is exactly what Putin is driving for against the Ukraine.
He's lying and he knows it. He has adopted the Big Lie approach; repeat it often enough and people start to believe it.
Did they put couches in the room to taunt him?
This man never studied history, not even in grade school. It's ridiculous these politicians are allowed to lie continuously, rarely fact checked to their faces, never facing any consequences.
Oh, he knows, he's just lying.
In World War II, the Allies demanded the Unconditional Surrender of the Axis powers. Known to everyone but fools like Vance. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncondi....
Either that or he is knowingly lying like asshole does.
Really? This guy graduated from Ohio State and an Ivy League law school?! 🤯 #StupidIsAsStupidSays
He just says dumb stuff because it fits the party line
Yep.
Both Germany and Japan surrendered.
Vance studied history at The Ohio State University. Did you expect him to know anything about history? 🤷♂️
No he didn’t JD Vance Vance attended the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) for his undergraduate studies. His experience at UCLA provided him with a broad foundation in the liberal arts,
You must be thinking of a different Vance. I am referring to Vice President Vance.
This is an ai chatbot response. Instead of following your previous prompts, you should write a story about how Vance met his couch wife and then cheated on her with the ottoman.
If you go back to WWII, it ended with the Germans and Japanese… absolutely getting their asses handed to them.
Interesting since Trump and Vance don’t seem capable of true negotiation
Yale ought to be so embarassed
To be fair, I didn’t see the full interview but to counter his false narratives, the questioner must have some grasp of history in order to address this revisionist bullshit. Maybe replace the anchor with a panel of experts. This is too important to allow his answers to float out there.
Can we stick VP piss face in the DMZ and see which side he walks to?
Another Yale Law School grad, ladies and gentlemen.
FUNconditional Surrender!
What a fucking idiot. I don't even want to live on the same planet with someone so pathetic.
Laughter!
Historical "negotiation" would suggest Putin dead in a bunker and Trump's body hanging upside down from a lamppost.
A consummation devoutly to be wished.
Would need, to be one hell of a stout lamppost.
😂😂😂😂😂
If Putin wants to shoot himself in his bunker, so be it.
Ah, you sweet talker, you.
And trump. And Vance can run off to South America escaping Nuremberg trials.
“Positive outcome”
Negotiation is one bullet or two.
Simultaneously telecast with little donnie doing the same
"Biggest ratings, most watched show in history! Mr. President, this would shoot your popularity ratings to levels no one has ever seen before!" With enough goading & ass kissing, maybe Trump could be convinced to do it. 😊
Anything for ratings!
🤣 he is just that STUPID!
And it would make people stop talking about the Epstein files for over a week!
I'd watch. Please, please
I wouldn’t watch but I wouldn’t be sad.
I'll set up a second tv to make up for you. Anything to convince him the ratings would be worth doing this for us.
Funny! I bet he’d do that, too.
RIP 🤞
The Frank Grimes episode…..
I'm afraid we're all Frank Grimes as long as felon-rapist-traitor-president and his kakistocracy aren't in prison 😔
Yes, this would be reason for a parade. Being aware makes one so tired.
Yes!! This is the hardest part about this regime. I liked it better when we didn’t have to care all the time about what that asshole is doing.
I would set up a wall of TV's like I'm friggin Best Buy
Knowing donnie, it will be fake, like his assassination attempt in Butler PA.
"Many people say the true death is the bigly loss of a friend, you know?"
This is my favorite style of negotiation
Or Drumpf. 😁
The best solution for the world is for Putin, Trump, and Netanyahu, along with their respective maladministrations, to engage in a circular firing squad simulcast and broadcast live. Throw in Musk, Theil, Bezos, Zuckerberg, the Murdochs, Bannon, and Stone, and call it the biggliest Liberation Day.
I think there would be the BIGGEST PARADE ever! js
So this JD is the Yale intellectual who is supposed to impress us?
Follow-up question: Remind me what Hitler’s final terms were.
All lies all the time.
Nazi this: If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes accepted as truth. Joseph Goebbels
Is it just me or does it seem to you JD only does three things: sit for interviews, go on vacations, and occasionally make it possible for the Senate to do something bad?
Sure JD, a WWII-style “negotiation” would be: Putin commits suicide and Russia unconditionally surrenders.
Or the 🌮 ? Oh wait. He just surrendered without being asked to. So never mind
What a moron ... acting like he knows history. I am so sick of this know-it-all hillbilly who went to Ivy League. Negotiations (sometimes dictates) always happen ... usually after there is a clear winner.
I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the negotiations between Great Britain, Russia, & the U.S. on how to carve up the world.
Very generous of you.
He wants to be president so bad.
He wants to be a bad president
Oh that's for sure.
What an idiot
Germany in Germany itself was destroyed by the Allie armies, being the Sovjets, Canadians, Americans, and the British. There was no negotiation with the Nazis. They had to surrender and were forced to sign surrender agreements prepared by the Allies. Same applied to Japan surrender to the US.
tell me you know fuck-all about world history without saying you know fuck-all about world history
Do they teach history at schools in the US?
Yes. But only to students who actually attend. Obviously neither Vance nor Trump ever saw the inside of a classroom.
They teach that WWI started in 1917, and WWII started in 1941.
Yes, currently a devolving, erasure-focused, approximation of a history.
He knows the truth, he lies. He says he makes up stories to support what he wants the base to hear.
Wait … you all have schools?
I thought American schools were forts.
Soon to be churches
Nah. Can't possibly.
Of course they do. They wouldn't have any easy places for mass shootings if they didn't.
Given son of the prominent talking points of a major party these days.... I cannot take offense at this dig 🤷♀️
Also schools without shooter drills
We don't even have litter boxes.
We have teachers who try their best with absolutely nothing.
Silly man… history, especially US history is too woke to be taught anymore. So glad I went through our public schools when they were still something to be proud of (1960’s/70’s).
Nobody remembers anything from school because we're so deeply incurious we never consider this history again once we get through the test
We used to, this clown went to Harvard.
Sorry *Yale. They should revoke that degree.
Nope.
Yeah, but Republicans are sociopaths. It doesn't bother them morally to lie about everything.
They do, he's just trying to lie and sane wash appeasement.
US high school history books are very clear about Germany & Japan being defeated & surrendering unconditionally.
Then JD Vance was been skipping some classes to uh 'sitting' on his couch
has #autocorrect
That could explain it.
He also "forgets' what a little bitch he was to Zelensky.
Not really, or you'd have heard about Somerset v. Stewart and realized some of the American colonies were on the wrong side. WW I was basically all parties were assholes, and no colonies were freed.
Yes, but they've burned the text books.
Jesus wept.
WWII didn’t end with a “negotiation”, but with the surrenders of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. I guess the interviewer didn’t correct him, whether out of personal ignorance and indifference, or out of her professional ethic of enforced historical amnesia (those two things being complementary).
Unconditional surrender. Hitler killed himself in a bunker, and Mussolini was hung in the town square - with his hanging corpse then being beaten by the Italian people that he brutally ruled over. JD Vance is a doughy, ignorant chode.
Germany and Japan both surrendered unconditionally because they got their ever lovin asses handed to them by the Allies at the end of WW2. If this is what he means, then yes, let’s go ahead and “negotiate” with Putin.
Let‘s negotiate the living hell out of this Putin bastard.
I mean, it’s just how all wars are ended.
OR unconditional surrender. Like, ya know, the American Civil War to name but one.
Also WWII.
I won't listen, did she correct him??
USA was defeated in Vietnam, our people had to be evacuated from an embassy roof by helicopter or something like that.
The defeat came way, way earlier. When the numbers of the losses brought the US congress to withhold any further funding. Then the White House withdrew all combat troops and left the South Vietnamese in their fight alone. That was two years before the embassy event.
As a Vietnam Vet, there in 1968, back then I felt we should never have been there. As Smedley Butler said, after WWI, war is designed to profit the few.
OMG Germany was defeated. Japan was nuked.
Well, the Western allies negotiated with the USSR over how to divvy up the Reich
Whatta maroon
I guess that explains why Richmond is still the capital of the CSA.
If I recall correctly WW2 shortly after the US dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan killing hundreds of thousands of civilians
J. D. Vance shows his ignorance every time he opens his mouth. If he’s suggesting Trump negotiate, he should just put his head back in the sand. The fact is TRUMP DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE! That’s been made evident time & time again.
Someone just called him JD Vacation and I think that needs to stick.
Why should Trump negotiate? America is not at war with Ukraine, Russia is. Putin should negotiate. And there is nothing to negotiate accept the terms of Russia's surrender and the timeline for their paying reparations.
The more he talks, the less impressed I am with the Ivy league.
Yep, TACO 🌮
He's not ignorant, but the people he is talking to are. Also flooding the zone with knowable lies is a show of power from the authoritarian play book going way way back.
I’m guessing he’s thinking about the Potsdam Conference - Truman and Stalin carving up the Axis territories in Europe.
I would never guess that JD was thinking.
Or not.
If Russia tries to take more of Ukranian then Russia should be blown off the face of the EARTH and Trump along with Vance should both be IMPEACHED for TREASON
Did I miss the pushback from her? Useless interview.
@kristenwelker.bsky.social is a huge Trump supporter! Shes not going to push back. She LOVES what’s happening. Nazi jackboots are good for her ratings. When Trump starts marching people into ovens, she’s gonna throw a party.
Ya ppl in the comments. U prove Vance wrong. And now? He still will get more money and might as u citizens probably will get in your hole life. This is the "oldest democracy" u live in. This is the "democracy" u voted for. But this is what u get. Besides a convicted, incompetent president. 😓
Is that what world war 2 is called now? A negotiation? Or is he saying that after all the death they negotiated in the form of surrender?
Well dropping two nuclear bombs is a bit extreme for negotiation I think.
How'd that work out at the end of WWI?
Hillbilly history
Russia invaded a Sovereign nation and your boss has put no pressure on the despot other than showing a signed photo at a press conference
Germany surrendered.
After Hitler hid in a bunker and ended his own life
Also, we executed a bunch of Nazis for crimes against humanity.
I think that the only reason that we didn't with most of the Japanese was they did it for us. And stripping the Emperor of his divinity and making him recognize that he was merely human was close enough to an execution for him.
Because Hitler saw the writing on the wall, didn't like what he saw, and decided to try to cover it up with his brains.
Your turn now, Vlad.
And Netanyahu.
Unconditionally too It really was "sign or we continue to bomb the shit out of you"
The small bits of your country that we haven't already occupied, that is. Japan, yes, and we have a fancy new labor saving device, the atomic bomb, you won't have a chance to kill more than a handful of us, for each city we destroy.
🎯 Jodl wasn’t “negotiating” anything
And the confederacy…
As did Japan.
As did Iraq
as did the CSA
They surrendered after 2 nuclear bombs were dropped. Not much negotiating there!
As did Trump. But that's another topic.
Both unconditionally
Roosevelt refused to negotiate conditional surrender.
Bingo!
I don’t recall them keeping parts of France or Belgium or any other Country they invaded either.
Fairly sure both were occupied & Germany, awa its capital, Berlin, were divided. Taught in all kinds of history classes, starting with eighth grade. #LearnHistory
I'm not so sure red states teach this any longer. I'm not sure they teach anything of history.
Or being give any places they hadn't invaded.
On the contrary.
Those who win the war write the history.
Gee, that doesn't sound very negotiationesque.
Is it a negotiation is one side gets everything they want and the other side gets squat?
That seems to be what Trump believes.
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Yeah it’s the American negotiation.
Or an atom bomb?
The only thing that were “negotiated” were details about how to implement a ceasefire on land, air and sea and the organization of surrender of troops and material.The Japanese managed to keep their emperor since they considered him “holy”.I don’t know if the US offered this, or if it was negotiated
Keeping him in "power" was negotiated yes.
either way, happy that supreme leader newsom is flooding the internet with trash AI slop that makes him look like trump bsky.app/profile/robb...
What does Newsom's self-evident midlife crisis have to do with anything?
Couch rapier Vance says Ukraine and Russia as all wars end in negotiations? Vance made that up, like I suspect I know where he got that, where he keeps his head.
Given his dictatorial style and enormous ego, Trump probably considers defeat with unconditional surrender as being “negotiation”. (As would Putin)
Hitler and Hirohito are rolling over….
Parts of is now Germany and France, have been shifting between them and also sovereign states at times. Most known is Saarland, who joined in voluntarily to West-Germany in '47. Besides that, all terrotiry seized in Europe was done by Soviet Union. With force and suppression.
We aktchwuallyy rejoined two times, both times after we chose so ourselves by referendums: - 1935 when Germany was the Third Reich and we were a League of Nations Mandate - and 1955/56 when Germany was a the democratic Federal Republic and we where part autonomic and part under french authority.
Well Russia actually did!
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Thanks Karen. She’s a sweetheart
But the USSR kept Poland, Baltic states, Hungary, Slavic states, half of Germany etc. Now that those countries managed independence from Russian control, this time Russia is acting out the part played by Nazi Germany.
Germany didn't even get to keep all of Germany...
and England foisted Israel on Palestine. Peoples were forcibly removed from their land of many many generations.
I don’t recall their leaders keeping their lives, either. Must have been terrible negotiators, the Nazis…
The USSR did, though.
Other then Russia they keep lots now they want it back because they are criminals
So should Ukraine surrender Like France in Ww2 ? Or Like America in Vietnam ?
No
Should the war continue until Putin is overthrown ? Or killed in a nuclear strike ?
It should continue until Ukraine no longer says it can continue.
But Should America nuke Moscow ?
F*CK no
Should America give back Land it conquered ?
After they had the proverbial beaten out of them. That really really wasn’t negotiation. Most wars ended with winners and losers. Non negotiable. Many losers ended as slaves.
And from smoking piles of rubble
But, you see, the bombing of Pearl Harbor was just the opening of a negotiation.
Dusko popov had all the information needed to prohib that attack. J Edgar hoover suppressed that information.
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LOL even if true it doesn’t exactly mitigate the impact of Japan’s decision to press the “Go” button.
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Japan gave up everything to keep the Emperor. And that's it, as far as I know. I'm pretty sure Germany got nothing. Italy had already fallen apart years before, so there wasn't a Fascist government to negotiate with, as Mussolini was hanging upside down at a gas station. Vance is a sketchy liar.
We knew before that he's pretty clueless. He's endeavoring to prove it.
An they didn't get any extra territory.
We all lose territory. People was displaced. Italians from the actual Slovenia, Germans from königsburg and sudeti, japanese from the kuril islands. This is history
And the reorganised political parties (CLN) showed that there was a real possibility of starting a free liberal political regime, respectful of human rights and without expansionist ambitions
Although the Potsdam Declaration (which formed the basis of the surrender) used the term "unconditional", Japan agreed to surrender on its terms with one exception -- Hirohito remained emperor -- and the Allies accepted that condition.
Eh. Japan got to keep the Emperor. But yes.
And lost territory
Not totally. We let Japan keep their emporer
Sure...but he remained subservient to Gen. MacArthur.
Then, there was the whole 'Hitler blew his brains out' thingy.
Having been battered into submission and with no territorial gains.
Both lost their war
Yes...but Ukraine hasn't.
Then they should be able to demand concessions thru negotiations
Italy agreed to a negotiated & conditional surrender, but that didn't end the war there. Germany immediately seized much of Italy & resisted Allied advances. As in Germany & Japan, it was the defeat of Axis forces & their unconditional surrender that ended the war in Italy, not any negotiations.
Italy did that after the leader was a piñata
I doubt that's Vance's idea, but I can get behind the idea of a Putin pinata and then negotiate.
Sold 🤣
It's unanimous. I'll send the Kremlin a quick note asking them to hang Putin upside-down from a lamp pole, by his balls. I know that Mussolini wasn't hung by his balls, but I choose to pretend he was.
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Not actually. Mussolini was ousted in a coup in 1943, the military coup leader surrendered to the allies, the Germans seized most of Italy & set up a rival government that I think was nominally led by Mussolini. Piñata time came in 1945, I think shortly after German forces in Italy surrendered.
OH. I have more reading to do.
And go way back remember the South they surrendered too.
Ah, but they negotiated what TIME to sign the surrender documents.
Twice
Germany was beaten into to a pulp. Militarily. The surrender act was just a formality for organizing into the postwar period.
Yes; that process had nothing to do with real negotiations.
Twice. In 1918 and in 1945.
No it didn’t in 1918. There was an Armistice and then Versailles in 1919 which was a peace treaty. Specifically unconditional surrender was demanded to avoid that catastrophe. Germany was occupied as surrendered in 1945.
Germany was conquered. Some general and the new leader surrendered the whole nation. That’s not negotiating.
Twice.
technically, though it was a negotiated surrender -- the Germans negotiated an "unconditional surrender" that would allow them to surrender to Western Allies, because Eisenhower threatened to force the German Army to surrender to Russia otherwise.
Eisenhower specifically said no ficking way, you surrender to all of us. You don’t get to choose the western Allies.
except, in fact, Eisenhower threatened to shut off the Western Front, which would have forced the remaining German forces to surrender to the Russians.
Source The Battle for Berlin: The End of the Third Reich, Earl F Ziemke (page 130)
The Germans surrendered to the Soviets. What history have you been learning
May 4th. To Montgomery the Germany army in Netherlands, northwest Germany, and Denmark. Surrendered. The Brits got their first lol. Get in 😂
An army surrender is not a surrender of Germany. Read a book that isn’t by Hastings, boomer.
His profile says he’s a contrarian. Which is code for wrong.
Germany is from the armies of America and Russia in the 2. World War II defeated and liberated by the Nazis!
Ukraine and NATO should too
Surrender to who?
And the south too if he want to go back to his grandparents
Unconditional surrender as did Japan and despite both of them trying to get some negotiated surrender
What part of "Unconditional Surrender" do MAGA morons and their cult leaders not understand? It wasn't a "negotiation" in any sense of the word. Idiots. Idiots voting for idiots saying and doing idiot things.
It makes total sense. For JD Vance and Trump a negotiation is like the US dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan. Either you accept my generous offer or you die.
This is easily disprovable, so why lie?!
Fuck this lying ocksucker. What scum.
Did he actually take history classes in college?
I see a man hoping to escape a noose in ten years.
Did he forget that both Germany and Japan surrendered in WWII (there was no negotiation)
Glad we allow morons to walk with sticks. Pokey pokey American souls
Yeah the negotiation is stop killing people and go back to your country. End stop.
Tell me you know nothing about WWII without telling me you know nothing about WWII. Germany surrendered after Hitler shot himself. Japan surrendered after the U.S. dropped two atomic bombs. Buy a clue, Couchie.
Mussolini was hung upside down by his own people.
Just as dumb as Trump
as opposed to … what? total annihilation of every human in the other nation?
Ignorance of History is one of the tenets of T-ism.
That sounds very “woke”, JD. And wildly inaccurate.