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As a horror movie villain this is close, but no cigar. MOST Slasher horror movies ACTUALLY end with the final girl/boy triumphant, and slasher villains like me dead or defeated (for now). Same's gonna be true here, but just as deadly. If you're gonna doompost, please try to be correct.
It's... it's a Danish study. He doesn't get to tell Danish people what studies they do or don't fucking publish. The brain worm is on meth.
begging the internet not to post weird RFK Jr memes without alt-text, because that is some absolute RFK Jr energy
Man when we're so far Left we're mad at a stats person like Nate Silver, I don't know if there's any goddamned hope for the Left... He's a STATS NERD. Calm the fuck down.
JD Vance is a fucking nothingburger. Also, "Peter Thiel is the human version of a jumpscare" is my new favorite phrase forever. www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgRO...
Finale. This was fun!
There was a badge and a charm too. Charms can come back through the weekly bundle in the shop. Unsure on badges and banners though. There's a lot of Ghostface charms I'd like to see come back.
It only really becomes an issue when you're seeing slugs left forever, or seeing Killers consistently go after the same Survivor for being Sable. THEN it's toxic. But if it *makes tactical sense as pressure*, then that doesn't need a punishment. It's a valid tool, as valid as gen splitting is.
Just like how it's annoying to see gens pop super fast but makes total tactical sense to split on gens, do some gens first, or do gens as fast as you can as Survivor to win - especially against fast Killers - it's annoying but valid to have SOME amount of slugs and early outs too.
There ARE cases it makes tactical sense to pressure that way especially as a lower tier Killer like me. And there's cases where it's not even tunnelling, the Surv was just in the wrong place at the wrong time or they're the only one the Killer sees to chase. Killers shouldn't be punished for that.
Like I will be first to say it as a relatively high level Ghostface Main - Tunnel/Slug IS a problem and you definitely do not need it to exist as much as it does. My problem is these changes go a bit too far in the pursuit of a noble goal, now we can't tell precisely WHAT of these will be too much.
Well frankly, they are talked about. But it feels way worse to be ganged up on IMHO. Survs can be taken out of the game in a blink; Killers MUST play the whole round. It's worse to be humiliated a whole round and be stuck than be humiliated for a second and then back in the lobby waiting, IMHO.
This is really fucking cool. Now make sure you don't blow it with the PTB and don't completely destroy the game in pursuit of stopping griefing.
Holy shit this is cool.
It's not. I'm 100% sure though the rage WILL get this system nerfed. I hope BHVR doesn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, they have kicked the hornet's nest enough this year.
Every single Democratic run state needs to do this or use their state laws against fucking ICE. Right now. Right the fuck now. And also, they all need to draw heavily Dem biased maps. Too big to rig. Thank everything I live in a Blue State. PA is not red, never was. 2024 was a fluke.
My response. Genuinely hope this helps explain. <3 I really do want to help.
Smart idea. Take it from a Ghostface Main - do NOT teabag someone if you aren't sure they want to teabag with you. 95% of Killers cannot teabag. Save it for Pigs and Ghostfaces only. <3 We appreciate it.
Unfortunately you don't know if the Killer player was male. I've met female players who do this as Killer too. It's obnoxious behavior either way, I would never. Genderfluid over here, she/they, before you assume I'm male BTW.
To Trump, from every Pennsylvanian: GET THE FUCK OUTTA OUR FUCKING STATE. In Philly, the DA has authorized state police to ARREST Feds, including ICE, who decide to bring violence to the city. www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMtK...
And no. As a genderfluid pan person, I do not need to "git gud" or "get over" this. I shouldn't be treated this fucking way in a game because of the charms I run, all because I chose to play Killer today.
I would much rather be bled for 4 minutes while some neckbeard humps on me than be called slurs that actually cause real harm to people like me. I would rather be hit on a hook than be called some of the shit Survs have called me. Humping/hit-on-hook don't make me wanna quit DBD. Bigotry does.
And it's never Killers doing this to me. It's only Survs for some reason. I am so over it. You don't get to say Survivors are sweet harmless sweeties when THIS is my Killer experience for daring to run a fucking charm. I'm not accepting it. Survivors. Are. More. Toxic. By. Far. Than. Killers.
Frankly if all these changes come live I will switch to being a non-meta no item Survivor. Forever. And rarely if ever play. I refuse to run broken things.
Survivors are 100% the more toxic side. Humpteching and bleeding me out do not compare to homophobia and death threats. But being in a group emboldens assholes more than being a strong solo. This is proven psychology. Survs ARE more toxic than Killers. By like a lot, because of mob mentality.
I never want to hear how Killers are more Toxic. I play both sides equally, more Surv right now. I can count on one hand the number of toxic Killers I get per 50 rounds. On Killer I usually get 10/50 rounds with Survs being toxic or using slurs. Because I won. Doesn't matter how I play, either.
I believe we need antislug and antitunnel, yes. I just think this is too damn much too damn fast, and half won't make it. Then Survivors will still look for things to complain about. Meanwhile BHVR will go "mission accomplished" and 100% nerf gen progression because it's too fast for this system.
The last time I played Sadako, I got THE MOST TOXIC SWF abusing hacks imaginable and then also trying to bait me into an endgame teabag. Sorry. No. They also called me slurs. I'm Pan, I run Pan Pride as a charm. I got called an abomination and a faggot. That was the last time I ever played Sadako.
I would hope not, I do not want to be that SoloQ that gets sacrificed so the 3 man can have fun with the broken shit.
And the fact you're insisting it is by denial here, is telling. I do not converse with bigots.
Can you explain why every SWF that I happen to beat always decides queer slurs is the answer? I don't tunnel. I don't slug. I'm not toxic. I play a C tier and just happen to play him well. I still get queer slurs. Humpteching is NOT more toxic than transphobia and homophobia. It's just not.
I'd rather my Survivor games not be boring piss easy too but here we are.
So no. It's absolutely NOT just Killers being the most toxic. It's Survivors because they are much, much greater in number, you're more likely to encounter a toxic Surv than a toxic Killer BY FAR. It's just math.
If you want to punish toxic players, punish THIS. The worst a Killer has done to me is slug and Mori me in the basement for all of endgame collapse while humping. That's it. I've never had a single toxic Killer use slurs and death threats on me in the endgame chat.
Survs can also be toxic. Often more than Killers. I play both sides. I once had a Survivor SWF tell me to go rape my dog and that they hoped my "faggot ass" got cancer because I won with a weak Killer while running the Pride Progress flag. I have been stalked online by Survivor players.
This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back TBH. If this goes through they ABSOLUTELY have to look at generator speeds. There are some Killers that CANNOT truly benefit from them unless it's strong. I am talking stacking 5% haste or a 10% haste permanent, and a basekit mini Pain Res.
This, or they MUST look at Gen speed. Seriously look at certain Toolboxes with some addons and gen repair stacking. Address Hyperfocus+Stakeout. SLOW THE GEN PROGRESSION DOWN IF TOO MANY POP TOO FAST. Otherwise Killers like me get left in the dust to punish TunnelBlights. That's not fair.
I want to see some SERIOUS buffing of gen regression, some actual BASEKIT Killer help, a slowdown on gens for fresh hooks or permanent stacking buffs. No temp haste, not just a 5% miniPop. Or? I want the lower tiers ACTUALLY given mobility. Real mobility. Otherwise they cannot capitalize on this.
I'm talking basekit minor Pain Res for Killers like MY Main who cannot make it to basekit Pop a gen in time on some maps. I'm talking a permanent stacking 5% speed buff every time you do a fresh hook. I'm talking diversifying for the weaker Killers in the Roster and leaving the Strong Killers be.
My problem is some of these changes COULD trigger even if the Killer didn't Tunnel if Survivors were in the wrong place at the wrong time, effectively punishing Killer for doing their job AND not tunnelling. That's the issue I have. That's why we HAVE to have strong Killer buffs to compensate.
I agree. I hate slugging and tunnelling myself and even run perks that activate best when you DON'T do either. My two favorite genblocks are Grim Embrace + Thrilling Tremors together. I'm fine with most of these changes and agree you don't NEED to hard-tunnel or slug for more than 90 seconds.
Please let us all know how the changes pan out. I need to know if the game will be OK, we will see minor backtrack changes like every other time, or it's time for me to quit until real Killer buffs happen for my Main, because I sure as hell don't wanna be a Blight Main.
Hitting on hooks was removed by the AFC. Humping was removed by Abandon or will be removed soon by 9.2.0. Standing on hatch, if the Killer finds hatch first why shouldn't they get to close it? Meanwhile there is no reason to teabag in the gates. Ever. Not one reason. It's ONLY there to be toxic.
There do exist antitunnel perks and antislug perks. I use OTR a lot.
I don't know if adding a ton of new random "don't try to win too fast or else" changes to the game for Killer side really helps new players, seems way more convoluted actually.
I think maybe they went a little overboard but the PTB and massive backlash WILL cause changes. They literally cannot NOT address it. Period end of. They can't afford another scandal or tons of lost players on Killer over this, they just can't.
I feel like this is the AFK crows situation again, the anti-hide scenario again. Too much being done in one patch.
I'm sorry but I don't think we need to see the PTB to know you shouldn't punish one side for successfully getting someone out too soon, especially when it may not even be their fault and could just have been the other side being bad...
Frankly nothing, and it worries the shit out of me as a SoloQ Surv. It should worry every SoloQ Surv but instead, they're excitedly giggling like schoolgirls about "crying Killers getting what they deserve." You dumb little fucks, no; don't you realize this will hurt you, too? It's not just Killers
And nobody of value was hurt. He should have been hit harder. He should have been merged with the other car.
The DOJ was aware, they just didn't want to. Until they were fucking forced to like the toddlers they are.
Hey what is even going on, you do realize I'm some random and this is all for show right? Please chill.
My primary Surv Main is Nea, but one of my other mains on Surv is Sable, another is Laurie. I. Get. Targeted. By. TrollSWFs. A. Lot. I. Get. Tunneled. A. LOT. I'm grateful for antitunnel but I do not want more reasons for the TrollSWFs to target me. I deadass do not. PLEASE.
He wasn't shot. It's not CVI. He's in the files. And JD is not "worse". www.youtube.com/shorts/qVNie...
I may never play SoloQ Surv again if this all goes live, and if the changes hit Killers that I like (all my Mains are mid to low Tier save Drac), then I would rather not play Killer. I get bored as just one Killer. Where is my incentive to play? Surv too easy in SWF, Killer too hard for who I like.
I think it's just the 6 hook penalty I find egregious, the rest is fine. Nothing else offensive here. You should not be trying to 4k every game. You should be spreading hooks. I think the MMR system updates will address this.
I'm happy with the buffs because it's my preferred style too, but I am concerned there's edge cases BHVR did not consider in the pursuit of the noble goal of ending hard tunnelling. I really think they went overboard and it feels like the AFK Crow Fiasco all over.
My big concern is those edge cases. How does no Killer Instinct affect Sadako and Pinhead? Can an Elusive Surv now just sit and reveal Ghostface but he gets no info? What about Survivors who dress all the same to confuse the Killer on purpose? Sabo squads? Did BHVR think of ANY of these edge cases?
It's not even that. 95% of the community both Survivor and Killer EVERYWHERE online is saying this is a bad change. They are ALL saying it's a bad change. It's just the 5% of Survs who want free wins who think these changes AREN'T shit, because they genuinely want F13 the Game by Daylight.
My issue is now, with changes like these, if you're being run the fuck over you can't even try to come back with those tactics. You get punished for that now. And that is what I don't like.
Yes, I do this with the supposedly "low tier" Ghostface on the regular. And yes, I still 4k. 95% of the time you really don't need to hard tunnel or slug anyone. But some of these changes WILL hit players like me. It's like the AFK Crows - it's not fun to be punished for something I didn't do.
I'm basically here. These are overboard and I DOUBT all will make it to live. The 6 hook thing is particularly absurd. But as a Killer who hates to tryhard let alone slug or tunnel unless I deadass need it, meaning all mine are accidental or your fault, Surv, I'm fine with them trying to fix this.
Unfortunately for those Survivors, they have not yet realized you need Killers to have a round. I do not wish to see all of these changes go live. I agree slugging and tunnelling has to die, but these changes all coming would be like the AFK Crow fiasco all over again.
It's too much. This will not make "Survivor playable and fun again" if it all goes through. You'll get Kaneki, Nurse, and Blight by Daylight. And you're going to have 10 minute queues. But we'll see in the PTB how bad this is. Just be careful what you wish for. You may not like what you get.
I'm fine with pretty much everything except the stupid 6 hook thing. I play both sides.
Like 90% of everyone is in agreement here, both sides. These changes are maybe a bit overkill and worrisome for game balance, especially for lower tier Killers. And I am a Killer that WANTS antitunnel and antislug changes, deadass. Just not like this.
I think BHVR didn't think this through fully, and all the Survivor Mains saying "good mald cope seethe lmao" are gonna be extremely confused when they need to wait 10+ minutes to play Kaneki by Daylight because nobody wants to play anyone else. It's NOT gonna be as fun as they think.
I play both sides though I consider myself a Killer Main. There's a lot of niche scenarios that these changes could affect that absolutely aren't tunnelling. Plus, does this mean a 3 man may sacrifice me, a SoloQ player, just to get a gen buff now? I do not want that, I deadass don't.
The thing is there are Survivor Mains like Hens saying some of these changes are a bad idea too. It's not just Killer Mains. You're allowed your schadenfreude but I really do not think you'll enjoy half the Killer base leaving and the rest of them playing ONLY high tiers. I wouldn't.
But be careful of what you wish for. Is this worth it if Survivor queue times explode because a lot of the base won't play Killer anymore? I am dead serious. You might not be so happy if people believe the solution to this is just to play Killers you already do not like, like Kaneki...
Nobody is doing that. people are concerned these changes may be overkill, though lots of them won't even come to live. And then you have Killer Mains like me FINE with these changes. We never had to tunnel or slug.
This woman rocks, she's right. He's way worse off than we all thought. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O5M...
Is it even an occupation? More like a small crowd of people who just wanna go home and hate their job.
National Guard out there collecting trash for 2 reasons: they don't have the manpower to do the job he wants them to do, and because idle soldiers tend to fuck shit up when they're bored. It's all fascist pageantry meant to frighten us. Not so scary when one considers the occupation the stats tho.
Yep, ascites.
100% is.
Even the best medicine fails eventually, it can't put a stopper in death.
Another 1st September birthday, hello.
This community doesn't care about disabled gamers at all is why. I'm autistic. The visual heartbeat was a blessing for me, I struggle with sounds sometimes. They just don't always parse.
Well I play both sides, and I definitely think the antitunnel is too much. As Surv I really don't need all this extra handholding.
As for flashlights, I'd like to see them be tools for highlighting things, not blinding. Blinds have been an accessibility nightmare for ages now, I think it's time we find other ways to hamper the Killer.
I mained Distortion and I'm glad it was nerfed. It was needed. I never really learned chase using it, it was in fact a crutch and it outmoded way too many perks, add-ons, and even powers. I think Fog Vials and Elusive are a lot healthier for stealth Surv play than old Distortion.
Allow Killers SOMETHING beneficial. Hell give us more! Reward us a lot for not tunneling to compensate and give LESS of this compensation to very strong Killers who don't need it. That's the way to go. If Survivors get help it's only fair Killers do as well. Give us earnable benefits. Strong ones.
I'm serious. 10% haste for the rest of the round you don't lose unless you tunnel, or 5% incrementally stacking haste per new hook. I already like the HUD update to help us track, now add a hookstage counter. And, make it at LEAST 10% Gen debuff per kick, plus faster kicks and stun resist.
I keep saying this to Surv mains. They're coming for your items. They're going to change your items. Your strong stuff, just like Killer stuff in 2024, WILL be addressed. They just haven't gotten to it yet.
This is straight up a Ghostface buff, now I get free stalk action per hook AND I won't accidently waste it with aim dressing hitting the unhooked person when I want the unhooker. My only concern is this could encourage proxy camping.
I'm very excited for that! You mean my stalker gets free haste I can stack with other haste and free info? I love that! And I get some extra Gen pop, and best of all, the top tiers that don't need that DON'T get that? AND body blocking is gone? And it's all for free if I don't tunnel?
I don't think that's it, they just spent all 2024 giving us frankly the best and fairest Killer year thus far. I think the changes here will mean there are no more Survivor complaints left, so they'll have to address Killers or the game will die. This is their cash cow, they won't let the game die.
I agree and think this is a step towards the right direction. But if all this goes live, there MUST, must be a serious addressing of Gen progression and speed, and MUST be serious Killer buffs going forth. These changes are not fair to Killers like my n main who don't have much to stop it.
I'm serious on that last bit. BHVR has said they want to change other items to fit the new ones, there are only three other items in the game not swapped to the new system. And, we have seen the total nerfing of Guide, formerly the genrush class. It's coming. I feel it.
I don't think there's any chance that stays and I think the antislug may end up changed too. It's highly likely that a lot of this will have to be toned down or Killers hyper buffed to compensate. I also think it could be the lubing up of Survivor before the rough sex of the end of genrush tools.
It just goes on and on my friends...
Full disclosure, I am a super casual player who doesn't play high tiers. I prefer not to tunnel or slug if I can, you have to force me to do it. I have about 2000 hours. People are overreacting. My ONLY concern is some of it could falseflag Killers that did not tunnel and that should NEVER happen.
That's because it is. Let people be cringe if it's not hurting anyone. Also speaking as an autistic person, it's another way people try to stereotype and mock us. It's another way to go "see they're babies who can't do anything themselves". It's ableist and it's gross.
I can think of a number of cases the 6 hook before death thing will be a problem for certain Killers or could be used like a weapon. Frankly, if it results in massive Killer buffs for those who need it, fine, but the transition is going to be painful for them. Thar is what PTB is for though.
I just feel BHVR gave us two or three sticks and one carrot and it doesn't feel good. I also think they will need to buff a LOT more Killers and on top of that probably address other things Survivors have to make this fair. I don't think the patch is the end of Killer, I think it needs to be tested.
I will be fine with it if the compensatory buffs for Killer are a) permanent, b) more than 5% OR stackable over time if they're 5%. I am fine with an antitunnel mechanic that rewards hook spreading, I prefer hook spreading. I just think this could be abused by some teams and needs LOTS of testing.
Dear Survivor, Who tf are you? I didn't notice after I killed you.
I'm not even 6000+ hours and I think most of the changes are fine. My sole issue is that I really don't think THIS MUCH antitunnel is good for the game. I don't think we need two sticks and one carrot and my fear is the buffs for Killer may not be enough.
#DeadByDaylight @bhvr.com Aside from this, I think the coming changes are fine. But this. THIS RIGHT HERE. Needs to go and never ever come to live. It's too much. It's just too damn much.