Backbreaking labor for 70-100 dollars works out to realistically 7-10$/hr assuming that a ten hour workday is standard. 100% exploitative. Double the wage and they’d likely get able bodied, non-desperate labor.

ABSOLUTELY 100%

Yea, well we know now that was bullshit

IT WAS TRUE - VANCE CANT STAND FELON TRUMP BUT HES LIKE THE REST OF THE MAGOTS - HIS PAYCHECK WILL MAKE HIM KISS TRUMPS DIRTY FILTHY ASS!!!

That part.

And that's result of huge disparity in living conditions and live cost.when for you 2000$ wage per month is below poverty, for someone elsewhere 20$ per week is sustainable. It's not just them being exploited. Every american outside of "exempt" 0.1% is being exploited to cause this disparity.

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Far more ilkely

Yes they have. What have republicans done to try to reverse that narrative besides deport them?

I mean, I don't think that's the other side of the equation. It's more like two terms on the same side of the equal sign with a "+", "*" or "AND" operator between them.

That makes no sense. We are holding Alabama voters responsible for their votes. They voted to deport these ppl, decimate their farm industry workforce, and offer zero fair compensation salary/workplace safety/benefits for farm workers. It’s not a “both sides” situation

This is more of a “yes, and” situation. Migrant workers have been exploited for DECADES. Low wages, long hours, poor working conditions, including sexual harassment and sexual assault, plus the threat to deport has always been there. Neither party has done much about that. Learn from this and fix it

Except who voted to deport them to horrific situations under horrific circumstances? Hold them accountable for their vote. Stop both sidesing it

It is not a both sides thing. It is fact. Americans love their cheap produce but don’t have a clue of what goes on in the fields of corporate farms. I want you all to realize that when you stand up for migrant workers, you stand ALL THE WAY UP. Like I said, “Yes, and, demand better for them.”

They are being deported. Placed in horrible circumstances. In front of their children. Separated. And sent to prisons to die. But u have ur m head so far up ur ass ur more worried bout them getting free healthcare and a fair wage if they somehow survive. God damn

Hey 👋 to both of you. You are both making correct points. May I add that migrant workers pay taxes with ZERO protections. We will suffer without them, and a vote to deport was SOOO WRONG. But the exploitation is criminal. Caesar Chavez was right to fight for field workers for ivermectin 100yrs.

Ok auto-dumb-ass-correct! How did you change OVER to ivermectin?Whose you overlord?

You weren’t worried about them before this? They are just a political pawns to you. Resorting to personal attacks on me shows that you are no better than the MAGAts, just here to argue with people. 🙄

I was extremely worried about them before. I live in Texas. I’m even more worried about them now bc ppl like u aren’t holding trump voters accountable for their vote. U got ur damn head up ur ass attacking me

Of course, you say that now. 🙄 I am not attacking you. But, do carry on with your swearing at me.

This person is positioning that it’s worth it to have this conversation on the front rather than the back. If we start with exploitation of immigrants it will help immigrants, good farmers, and the Dems. We don’t need to ignore this often unsaid truth, as it’s a problem that can be fixed by Dems.

My point is that dems don’t have the vote or voice in Alabama to make change to the farm labor industry

Alabama is a red state. It wouldn’t matter if dems gave farm workers 6 figure salaries with 30 day minimum vacay, healthcare, dental and eye coverage. They don’t have the votes.

Then let them wallow in their own shit.......let's see how much pain they can endure.

Sorry, thinking your reply was to another post I didn’t realize was yours too. That’s not the point. The person you responded to is bringing up it’s worth it to mention. Like be the important part of this issue. To be sympathetic to the exploited and establishing a line we can move as leftists.

I disagree. Holding ppl accountable for their vote is the pressing issue today. Alabama got what they voted for!

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Here we go again with you shitty assholes. “Those kids in Texas deserved it for being born in Texas”, “those immigrants deserve it because they were in Alabama”, “America as a whole deserves to starve because a portion of the population is too stupid to breathe and our politicians love that”

Nobody said immigrants in AL deserved it. What we said was trump voters decimated their farm industry workforce by voting for trump immigration deportation policy. They got what they voted for and will suffer high grocery bills as a result. Ur just making shit up

Nobody said any of that. What we said was that the ppl who voted against early warning flood systems, against climate change leg, for development in flood areas- got exactly what they voted for. A massive catastrophe involving flooding. Stop lying. Start listening

Corporate mafia predatory capitalism with Christian Aryan Nation pedophile organizations that believe in fascism are in control. As they silence science&enslave the masses, Big Tech doubles oil production milking greed that AI increases profits with fake data processing robots, eliminating workers

So you're saying you want retribution and don't really care much about governing.

No. What I’m saying is I voted for these migrants to be treated w dignity and respect, given fair compensation for their work, healthcare coverage, and work safety provisions. Republicans in Alabama voted to treat them inhumanely and deport them. They got what they voted for.

And I'm reminding you that some 34% of Alabamans voted for the same things you did. They were the minority in Alabama but let me assure you they worked 100x harder than Dems in blue states against impossible odds, gerrymandering, voter suppression, and almost zero DNC support.

Believe me, there is already real suffering in a red state.

You want to "hurt the state" ignoring the reality that the powerful will not feel any pain (they never do) while the weakest / most vulnerable will bear the cost. You are choosing punishment over governance.

Trust me I know. I live in a red state.

It’s like people just forget that actions have effect! Like if we know Republicans rig the system and grab hold when they win, why is it that people forget that when it indeed occurs. Like, it is the same way people forgot schools used to be subsidized… it’s like the past is theory or something.

Listen. I’m the minority in a red state. I face the consequences of actions taken by republicans every damn day. What do i do about it? I constantly remind republicans what shitty ppl they are and exactly what they voted for. I’m not gonna lay down and cry over it. How’s that working out 4 ya?

Baby, I lived in South Carolina for the past five years. You don't win this one. Let me remind you, that you argued in this thread against paying farm workers a decent wage. And buddy, they aren't the voters you are angry at.

Why are you so aggro at folks on your side? This thread started as a request to leftists to start framing these discussions with seeing immigrants as humans first. I spend every second worried about my family cuz ICE. The split in the thread ignores victims. As Dems in red states aren’t unique.

Our point is there are those who did not vote for Trump, who live there! That’s the point! We are worried about the immigrants still there. The Dems still there. For the most vulnerable who were the first impacted as they often are even as they still vote blue even as Dems forget they are there.

I live in TX. I voted for early flood warning systems, restrict development on flood prone areas, fully funded fema for disaster relief. I’m not gonna cry when their kids are killed from their own actions. I don’t care that they can’t get govt help. I just feel bad these kids have shitty parents.

We’re discussing those who didn’t vote for Trump. I’m unsure why it seems otherwise. I can just assume it’s the limitations of this space, but the point is to care for the lives of people who are victims of a cruel government upheld by the loud few and so forth. Red states aren’t just Maga scum.

Republicans just say, "Suck it up, buttercup" while they continue to under-educate and abuse their people. If it ain't Drump they're blindly worshipping, it's Jesus. Sorry, but completely turned off religion by the abuse of 'authority', 'religion', and so many pedos in power. Think for yourselves.

This isn’t some board game. These are lives. Immigrants are alive. Not only is that important to know, knowing and saying this will help give people the fight and belief in our leaders we need to defeat Republicans. BTW, for those who could legally vote there, 772,412 voted for Harris.

Republicans don’t give a Fuck. What they care about it their grocery bill. If u don’t tie their vote to their grocery bill and repeated a million times over- they will keep voting R. At least u have some chance of them not voting in 2026 if u can hold them accountable

So what if Republicans don’t give a fuck? We aren’t appealing to them, so why appeal to them? And once again, Dems live there. It wasn’t even half the eligible voters, which is significantly less than their whole pop. This convo is not about reaching Republicans, and it’s not just about Alabama.

A skunk will always be a skunk

No one takes more joy in minorities suffering than liberals on social media. Jesus Christ. You fucking salivate about feeding people to Republicans, it's insane.

That is bullshit. Fucking MAGAs are posing for pictures at Alligator Alcatraz, Dr. Phil is going on ICE raids and ICE is hiring 18 year olds and J6ers. Cut the crap. This is a real crisis, not an online bitch fest.

Nobody loves Fascism more than fucking tankies. STFU

Abby. I am A minority in a red state. So now what. U wanna delete ur post?

Ummm. What?

And how many non-trumpers/Republicans didn't bother to vote or help to push out the vote? Quite a few I'm sure. And us in blue states are also suffering because of what the magas have done and we also have to live with it! How frustrated do you think we are?

You can be mad at Trump voters? You realize that, right? Y’all can be mad at Trump supporters? What do you think of the Dems the South sends to the House? How about the TX Dems trying to stop the steal? Do you not realize people voted for them? Do you realize their are fights you ignore?

Abby, WTF r you spewing? I think u mistaken BlueSky for X dear, No liberal or democrats enjoy or as u say salivate on feeding people to REPUBLICAN SCUM BUT REPUBLICANS DO! Go drink your KOOLAID!

Cool it please. Abby is addressing the weird need of those to eager to forget that there are non-Republicans, non-Trump voters stuck in red states. It’s bizarre behavior, but also painful for those forgotten in those states who vote Blue even as they make voting harder than it already was.

Yet, it’s your R people that are taking advantage of these workers and paying them a shit wage with no benefits. Your conservatives are the ones causing the suffering, you twit. So get off your high horse and begin to think critically for once.

Immigrants are not the lazy ones lady, and there is no suffering in working hard to make a living

You're seeing a post out of context. This is a response discussing a type of Dem, who'll defend withholding sympathy for non-Trump supporters stuck in red states. A reaction to a reaction that starts with a reply advising that it's worth pointing how bad those jobs are. Immigrants deserve better.

Both Dems & Reps conspired together to use the neoliberalist "Poverty as a Policy Choice" for the last 40 years. 66% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. They work 2-3 jobs on 6-7 days per week. They still can't make rent & buy food for their kids. They skip meals. No time to read news or vote.

Pure bull. The fact is we wouldn’t be here today is the bUT bOtH siDes ppl didn’t sit on the sidelines or vote 3rd party in 2016

Who wrote anything remotely like that?

suffering? As a minority I grew up with a true work ethic. We've never been the lazy wetbacks that you called us. Liberals told you this would happen. They told you Caucasians didn't want the work and lo and behold! Alabamans getting what they voted for and the laborers they deserve.

Are you arguing with the wrong person on purpose

You seem oblivious to the fact that liberals live in Alabama just like they do every other red state. I didn't vote for this shit. I voted for the qualified black lady. Why are you blaming people like me? Are we supposed to convince everyone else in our state to vote like us? How?

Are you reading this post out of context? Abby isn’t saying this in support of Trump. It’s a scold on liberals who forget there are non Trump voting victims in red states.

I'm really tired of people not understanding we live in this country with the people you are talking about. How have you not yet understood they use your position and theirs to make sure all of us suffer, regardless of how we vote? Are you truly unable to understand this?

You’re being a Karen right now, just listen. Their whole point is that the republicans don’t give a fuck about decency so we need to appeal to what they care about so we can drag this country back from the brink of fascism. Then maybe we can pass better laws!

And I forgot to add - They need to put their hand on the stove to learn. Let them! It’s not fair the rest of us have to suffer but nothing else has worked. They need to feel the pain.

Yeah that’s not it. We’ve just come to the realization that talking common sense to these people is pointless. They have lost touch with reality. So feeling the consequences of their actions is the only thing that hasn’t been tried. Let them feel it. Make them feel it. Its not something to avoid

Exactly. Y is this so hard to understand? How did we become the villains?

This is about Libs forgetting that libs live in red states. That lot of immigrants live in red states. That POC are stuck in red states. That places have been gerrymandered and red lined, and people forget this when cheering on pain in red states. People forget non-Trump voters live there too.

I don’t see why one has to “both sides” every advertisement. Democrats can’t do anything for people in red states. The only way to make change is for them to win elections. It is that simple. You’re putting the cart before the horse. We need people in power who see immigrants as people.

Look, this isn’t a vague both sides, this is a care about non-Trumpers in red states discussion. The TX Dems attempting to prevent Abbott’s redistricting? They have Dem voters, right? Focus on those Dems, not the thieves. We can embark on a debate on what is helpful, but that’s a diff discussion.

You’re talking about immigrant/migrant labor pay & benefits in Alabama in response to Alabama farmers talking about their issue being not having any labor at all. That’s because the federal government decimated their workforce. How would talking about better pay & benefits go if your those farmers?

I have no idea what you’re talking about with Texas. Minority turnout in Alabama has been falling and if I recall correctly, conducted elections with an illegal gerrymander & a variety of turn-out suppression. Pushing back on the gerrymander of TX by fighting fire with fire is the same fight.

Alex, chump got 1.4 million Alabama votes…this is what they voted for, let them enjoy this shit sandwich.

1.4 million out of 3,798,039 million eligible voters out of documented 5,157,699 people voted for Trump, so everyone must suffer. Like, why? Why is that important to you? Do you just not care? Like you people are weird.

U must not live in the south. Calling yourself a Christian and voting republican gives u a license to be a shitty person. Ur not gonna change them my guy. Ur gonna hold them accountable and let them pull themselves up by their bootstraps when the economy crashes.

Omg, guy, please slow and read or let go of assumptions? I don’t care about the Republicans there! And I was born in the south. Still have family in the south. JFC, buddy! Numbers game: If it was based on party registration numbers, would Trump have won TX: factually.co/fact-checks/...

Elections have consequences Alex…I stopped caring when way too many of our fellow citizens decided to put the felon and racist back in office, as if his first term wasn’t fucking bad enough. Also, the left need to get over this purity politics bullshit, if it’s Newsom for ‘28, LFG!

While I don’t disagree with the sentiment about people’s lives, it feels like some states and our nation just needs to go through some stuff before we learn anything. Farmers disproportionately voted for this.

They did go through it. They are going through it. I am from the south. I have family generations in the south. Friends with generations in the south. We are all POC. We did and are going through it! Know this, Republicans won those states and they are doing the things they need to stay in power.

Where exactly do u live.

Sad to hear for those going thru it.But until plurality chooses otherwise, it’s going to con’t. I lived in the south for 3 yrs, and I can’t remember how many times I had conversations that felt like the mass mindset (not powerful people) made decisions to their own detriment.

Unless u live in the south- it’s tough for ppl to comprehend. I’ve had so many disagreements w blue state dems that are so stuck in their bubble and just clueless

I'm from Alabama, and I voted straight democratic ticket with Kamala Harris!

I’m from Texas and did the same. But the state of Texas did not. So we got what we voted for with kids getting killed from the flooding that was highly preventable if gop rules wasn’t in place in TX for 3 decades combined w two trump terms

Did they? Harris cheated out of 3,650,000 votes by these Jim Crow tricks. 4.7 million voters purged. 3.2 million registrations rejected. 2.1 million mail-in ballots tossed. See tinyurl.com/28futdwr

Yes they did. Just like Texas. The trump voters running these states need to take accountability for their actions

Amen!!

No one in this thread disagrees with this, by the way. This person knee jerk reacted and then either didn’t realize we weren’t talking about Trump supporters or really does think non-Trump supporters stuck in those states don’t deserve sympathy.

Pure bull. I told u that now is the time to hold trump supporters accountable for their actions. Kids drowned in Texas bc Texas voters were more concerned about them identifying as cats at school. It doesn’t mean I’m not concerned about kids - I’m showing trumpers the damage they have caused.

BY this fat piece of shit, btw

They don’t feel they’re being exploited. They travel across countries and borders for a chance at this “exploitation”.

Yet it’s weird how the GOP hasn’t proposed resident work permits which would help protect workers from exploitation by making their employment less under-the-table. It’s almost like, hmmm…they don’t care.

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it. Scratch their back so they can keep on cheating you. How it's been since Reagan. How's that new Trump border wall? Isn't it spiffy? And the border IS STILL WIDE open. Nothing but two-faced LIARS, REPUBLICONS are. Never trust them again. Paper ballots only. ... 4

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That is also true. That is what Caesar Chavez try to fix. Migrants have been the backbone of this country since its inception.

That’s quite a tautology as U.S. as a country is what immigrants founded. It’s the organization of people who had arrived there from elsewhere. As far as I know the native Americans were doing fine though, getting food and all without the help of the migrants.

The Star Wars show Andor had a segment where the Farmer waited until the crop was harvested. Then he called the Empire to pick up the workers because they were illegal. The farmer kept the workers money. That’s what some farmers used to do here, but the called La Migra.

lol, that is not what happened in Andor, at all

So, the harvest is over and the farmer called the Empire….. What happened then? If I got it wrong, please let me know.

The farmer did not call the empire, Brasso pretended like he thought the farmer turned them in to protect the farmer that had been helping them

Ok thank you. The force was not with me that day, I was wrong.

We are so arrogant in this country. Yes, we are/were exploiting these people . The working conditions and pay are horrible. Instead of leaving them alone we pick on and threaten deportation. I think we Americans need to feel a little pain so we can humble ourselves.

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Exactly. I want to see fair wages, health insurance, and shade!

Yes they have and now they want to exploit Americans.

exactly. Give American workers a decent wage and benefits for the job they are doing, safe working conditions, etc and they will do the work. But what Alabama farmers want is people who will ride UNPAID for two + hours each way in a sweltering bus in order to put in 10 hour days at minimum wage.

Oh yes! Shockingly, no one wants to go there.

Let’s not start on how that was the case, back in the day in NYC, when Herr Drumpf purposely hired non union Hispanic immigrant labor to work on his properties, and then stiffed them.

Much the same in the UK after Brexit. bsky.app/profile/olia...

They should make way more money since it's hard labor.

As the son of immigrants, it's a gentleman's bargain. The boss provides an opportunity that the migrant wouldn't have in their home country, the migrant works his butt off to feed his family. The exploitation happen in Capitalism regardless. The opportunity would go to someone worse and all lose.