Instead of trying to divide people by race, maybe acknowledge that in 2024, Trump won more people of color than any Republican has in quite a while. Yes, most people of color voted Dem, but in smaller margins than typically. It's a class thing, an education thing, and a propaganda thing. Not race.
OK. #1. White people are 77% of the entire electorate. that means whatever we do counts approximately 3/4 more than what other ethnicities do. 2. WP abandoned voting blue after the 60's. 3. BP, especially BW got the message as did Jews & LGBTQ people... wonder what they saw that WP ignored? 🧾
I'm trying to say that Republicans were able to convince Dems to stay home. They lied and lied about Kamala and she to her credit failed to go out and refute the lies. She didn't campaign well. Trump campaigned well for the modern world. Trump was media savvy and she was not. Thats all I meant.
"didn't campaign well" yeah that's why she filled - to capacity - two stadiums at once! you are so damn defensive. You're a Bernie-Bron aren't you?
* eh, bro, bronie, same difference 🤷🏼♀️
I fully expected her to win. I was stoked at the dem convention and her rallies. But somehow, she had low turnout. She muffled her running mate who she chose to be an attack dog. She hardly did interviews. She didn't have many policies. Each rally was identical. So yeah, she didn't campaign well.
And I'm done. you're recalcitrant and seemingly unable to understand that racism is the #1 problem. You keep bashing an excellent candidate who ran a excellent 107 day campaign while white-knighting white people. fk off. blocked.
She had 107 goddamn days, you asshole. The campaign she put together in that insanely short amount of time was fucking *brilliant*. No one could have done better. No one. But yeah, keep letting the white electorate off the hook, like you fucknuggets always do.
Let's take the good and find ways to make it great, so we don't lose again. We'll atleast benefit next time from giving our nominee more than 107 days. Let's learn from what she didn't do good enough. Nobody is ever perfect. We HAVE to do better obviously, bc she lost.
She. Had. 107. Days. I'm done with you.
White people vote more by racial solidarity than class solidarity, what are you talking about
Individualism, Perfectionism, Objectivity, Power Hoarding, Paternalism, Only One Right Way, Sense of Urgency, Fear of Open Conflict, Either/Or Thinking.
Take your bullshit somewhere else. Trump won because people like you would rather uphold white supremacy over everything else. period.
"Instead of trying to divide people by race, let me pount out how people of color are to blane for everything..." 😒🖕
I was trying to point out that Kamala's campaign failed to turnout her supporters, even people of color. There's more to her loss than just "white people". Turnout was down for Kamala across the board, not just one demographic. I'm not blaming people of color, I'm blaming Kamala's campaign.
It’s funny because if you listen to people like Gov Pritzker or analysts like Simon Rosenberg they paint the opposite picture. VP Harris ran an astonishingly successful campaign in spite of saboteurs—to get as far as she did w/only 107 days to run was nothing short of exemplary.
What it all comes down to, is that not being Donald Trump was not enough for too many white people. They didn't fear him, but they clearly feared having a Black woman in the White House. They feared that more than fascism. And I'm absolutely including the leftists and purity voters.
That is perfect! And we can apply that to what's going on with Newsom right now. Is he my fave? No. Do I want him to be POTUS? Also no. But is he the guy right now? Yes. So, I'll work with what we have, and then work harder to make it better for everybody, once we're back on track, powerwise.
I think I saw it in some comments about people being ridiculous about Newsom for exactly what you’re saying & now I’ve been using it constantly including offline. 😂
“Because I’m a punk and can’t compete on a level playing field. “ If you were *all that*, you’d say bring it.
Nice typos, Lilly! *pats self on back* 😭😅
Hey, no worries, I knew what you meant!
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Bullshit
Doesn't matter, cuz white people are the vast majority of the voter electorate and people who sat out the vote in the election. This was still by far a white collective issue. If white people has done the right thing, we wouldn't be here. But I get it, it feels nice to be able to spread the blame.
Stop dividing us by race, that's what they want us to do. It's literally more about class and education than race. There are correlations there to race, but correlation is not causation. It's not about blame, it's about learning how to fix it for 2026/2028. Address the issues, not the color of skin.
Only racist white people use this phrase “dividing us by race.” Just, FYI.
You can pretend that people aren’t racist but stop telling other people to support your delusion.
I never said that.
Don’t split hairs. You told people to stop talking about race.
I’m not interested in grading your evasions.
At no point in U.S. history would "stop talking about race" and "stop mentioning racial divisions" ever stop - or even reduce - actual racism & racial division. It would, however, have stopped abolition, the civil rights movement, - we'd still have Jim Crow laws bcse (shh don't mention them.)
Racism isn't Bruno, after all...Nothing but more racism comes from not talking about it.
Millions chose a rapist pedophile grifter insurrectionist idiot for POTUS because of his promise to restore racist norms, but we are supposed to blame Democrats and economic anxiety.
White people divide by race. It’s called racism. You didn’t escape it, CLEARLY. White males: the perpetrators of misery who insist they’re the real victims. 🖕🏼
I'm literally saying we shouldn't divide by race. That focus is how we get infighting distracting us from the real oppressors, rich billionaires who keep stealing from us with their unending greed and zero empathy.
You’re literally saying, “im uncomfortable being considered racist, so everyone shut up about it. Then my racism will magically disappear.” 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼
The real oppressors are the WHITE PEOPLE who VOTED for this. Directly or by staying home or by voting third party. WHITE PEOPLE, SUPPORTING & VOTING in favor of those white male billionaires. 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼
And screaming at Black ppl to save them.
Ignoring race is choosing division. Money doesn't impart rights nor create equity. It doesn't end lredlining, access to resources whites are entitled to, nor gerrymandering. Race is intertwined with class. Billionaires target BIPOC communities first for their projects/ low wage labor.
You say, "divide by race." The people around you say, "The amount of melanin in someone's skin can impact how they are treated as they move through the world & it's vital to acknowledge that people in our culture are treated v. differently based on the amount of melanin in their bodies." #reality
You're doing this shit on a Saturday morning in the year '25? What state do you live in?
Jake’s responses are suspect. Likely bot.
If you don't want to have a conversation, I'll bid you a good day and move on. Maybe you'll atleast agree with me on this point: fuck ice
FUCK WHITE SUPREMACY
Agreed.
It's the racism, my man. Again, what state do you live in?
Yeah, probably. His phrasing sounds like cheesy music lyrics😂
And I’ve never seen a white male who wants everyone to stop talking race *not* getting defensive at this point. Just don’t jive w human psychology.
Jake, are you a white man?
Racism and Preconceived Bias are also rampant amongst each class. Yes,we should be fighting a Class War alongside our Brothers and Sisters with higher levels of Melanin,and as a whole we have failed them. Those of us in Gen X promised we wouldn’t be like our parents and grandparents
Yet the majority of us made Reagan a Saint and backed Bill Clinton’s tough on crime crap which led to record numbers of Black,Latino and Indigenous people be placed in the Prison System. So yes, Race plays a monumental part of it.
A statistic 47% of White Female voters and 34% of White Male Voters voted for Harris,and a large number of eligible White Voters either voted 3rd party or did not bother to vote at all. Again, Race plays a monumental role.
Stop being obtuse and naive. White people did this. Hard. Stop.
Let's find a path to victory in the future elections that learns from the failures of the past. We need policies and leaders that will solve our issues instead of just "noticing" them. Can't take voters for granted. We need to earn their votes.
We had leader with policies to solve issues. If you didn’t for her, that is entirely on voters. Path to victory = more white people NOT voting to harm marginalized communities. If that is not enough motivation to vote, you all have earned the right to fuck off into the sun.
We had a choice between a prosecutor and a felon They chose the felon and now are pretending white racist voters didn’t vote for the felon THREE TIMES. L I block dishonest people like this. They escape Twitter fascist racist vacuum and come here for their narcissistic supply posting bs positions.
you should probably talk less & listen more it's incredibly out of touch for a white person to whine about dividing by race...white people are the reason racism exists, white people fought a war in this country so that they could continue to own non-white people sit the fuck down, stfu
? I'm trying to say we shouldn't be racist... Just complaining that Kamala lost in 2024 because of white people won't set us up to success in 2026 or 2028. We need to give voters something to excite them, and she failed. Simply focusing on one thing 'race' isn't enough to win an election.
if the choice between a mentally unstable traitorous charlatan & an overqualified black woman was not exciting enough for white people...that's a white people problem get your head out of your ass
I voted for Harris. Look at the turnout levels. Blacks swung 7 points. Hispanics swung 23 points. Young men swung 10 points. Kamala failed to get the turnout from her supporters. Thats all I'm pointing out. Something (if it makes you happy I'll say "in addition to") race was a factor here.
(Black people) never, ever, ever "Blacks." This is all stuff that those communities need to work out. white people need to stay in their lane of working on other whites. Go talk to white men about this.
Thanks for educating me. My bad.
Focusing on race, as individuals, then talking to other white ppl (like you) about the racism baked into our culture is a way to change our world & win more elections. The problem for a lot of people in this thread is, are you willing to listen and learn, or are you going to continue to argue...
Here's why racism was to blame: Being not-Trump should be enough for any white voter if we truly care about ending white supremacy in the US. Being so privileged that we can demand to be excited by our leaders, as if it's entertainment, is peak white supremacy. Re-read your words very carefully.
I voted for Kamala and I was excited to do so. Specifically because she was not Trump. I only get one vote. I'm sorry, but in a democracy it's whoever gets the most votes. So yeah, the game requires their voters to be excited and out of their house and to the ballot box. Kamala lost that battle.
why do you feel the need to shift the blame from where it belongs?...facts are facts you can't blame the Black woman candidate for the white electorate's failings we failed the assignment tell yourself whatever fairy tales you need to to feel better about yourself but the facts don't lie
Dude, I'm literally trying to point out that complaining Kamala lost "because of white people" leaves you in the exact same losing boat in 2026 and 2028. She lost the turnout battle. We need to find out how to fix it for the future. Find solutions instead of problems. Offer real left policies.
Harris presented thee most progressive presidential campaign that had realistic plans & goals the fact that you're so invested in shifting the blame away from the problem tells me all i need to know about you & i don't have time to waste on you anymore muted
What is your “real left policy” to overcome the racism in this country that’s having an impact on millions of Americans?
We can start by rebuilding the DOE and funding our schools across America, and giving our teachers huge pay raises to increase the quality of education. Free school lunches for every student in America. Properly teach the civil war and the failed punishment of the south. Healthcare for all. Good?
That's cuz white people didn't try hard enough & didn't care enough cuz we aren't scared of it. white supremacy benefits us, so we don't have to fear a nation being ruled by it. We also don't care enough about non-white people to do the right thing. We always choose the white thing. Collectively.
Also, instead of continuing to argue with people over this, I highly recommend you actually start listening and contemplating. Why are there so many people in this conversation this morning disagreeing with you? We all can't be wrong. Humble yourself and open your mind.
Millions of evangelical Christians, the GOP's most dependable & motivated voting block, were told Kamala Harris is a baby killing, demonic Jezebel by their pastors & trusted religious leaders. They voted against her by 80+ points. Racism & misogyny was definitely a major factor.
Cookies can't be baked twice. We have met the divisible, and they are us.
Spoken like a white person.
These type comments are the dumbest on the internet. We dont divide anyone by race. We live in a caste society predicated upon race by WHITE people that has impacted education, ses, etc. you cant fix a problem if you dont or cant acknowledge the riot cause. Geez
It's true an SUV ran over me at the exact moment my leg broke, but correlation is not causation.
Look at the demographics shifts in 2024. What did Trump do to improve his share of people of color so much? What did Kamala do (or not do) to lose them? Trump offered solutions -- evil, bad ones, but Kamala offered "not much different" than Biden. She lost the turnout and excitement.
I'm sure you know there was way more happening than "Harris is boring." Harris was hardly a clone of Biden, but she was not going to campaign against him. What did people like you offer that excited the electorate? Why if progressives were doing their jobs did so many "independents" stay home?
Individualism, Objectivity.
Do you see how your "class not race" focus, and focusing on how non-white people voted in the last election is actually you trying to get out of responsibility for dismantling white supremacy? You are demanding individuality and thinking you're just you, but you're part of the white collective.
The scientific process requires you to draw conclusions from the evidence, not the hypothesis. If the ONLY PROBLEM was white people voting for trump, then you're seemingly giving a pass to the voters of color who swapped sides in 2024. What, are they white supremacists too? Obviously not... (prob)
Progress is Bigger/More; Objectivity, Defensiveness, Power Hoarding, Worship of the Written Word, Quantity over Quality, Sense of Urgency.
Look. Did you read the link? Here's a really lame Clipart listing the characteristics. I'm gonna start listing the ones you're adhering too under your skeets. The POINT is that you don't even know THAT'S what you're doing.
*to goddammit
I'm not giving them a pass. I'm saying that's for their communities to deal with. white people don't tell non-white people how to conduct their business. You seem to think there are equal amounts of voters of every race, but there simply aren't. Look up the numbers.
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Part of the problem is how numbers are reported. I can easily look up the fraction of white voters who voted for Trump or Harris. But when I try to look up what fraction of Trump voters were white, I can't find that number. I'd have to reconstruct it.
Sometimes it is hard, I was working on some numbers a few weeks ago and it took hours to track down the right sources to find them. And they will use %s to make it even more difficult. %s make the sets of numbers sound equal to start with, but they aren't necessarily.
As a white man, let me just tell you — you are completely full of shit. Your diatribe exposes your deep racism. Trash.
Perfectionism, Sense of Urgency, Defensiveness, Quantity over Quality, Worship of the Written Word, Only One Right Way, Paternalism, Either/Or Thinking, Power Hoarding, Fear of Open Conflict, Individualism, "I'm the Only One", Progress is Bigger/More, Objectivity, Right to Comfort.
If we aren’t divided by race then tell me why there are laws about discrimination in lending and banks STILL do it. Jfc dude. Get a fucking life. Grow a pair.
WHITE PEOPLE are the ones that are dividing people by race and instituting systemic racism throughout our culture and civilization for centuries. Go yell at them. Pointing out this fact, exposing it, and stating it's unfair is not "racism" or "divisive". You're wrong. Racism is BAKED IN.
Who are "they"? White working class racists?
Republicans. Billionaires. The ones benefiting from the left infighting.
Who benefits from left-populists telling Black people we're dividing people by race when we point out racism?
If you actually believe it's "all about class, and not about race", then you should start spending all your time telling that to white racists. Go convince them. They're the only ones who can make that slogan true.
Shut the fuck up until you’ve walked a mile in a Black person’s skin & experienced what it’s like to be Black in this country. It’s racism NOT class that’s the problem.
Stop trying to let yourself off the hook. We – white people – divide "us" by race. If that were not true, Kamala Harris would be president right now. Stop diverting, stop distracting, take accountability and help us fix it.
Racial division isn't erased by denying it as a factor. Among Black people it is not literally about class/education, despite ideas of "more minorities than ever!!" - reality is vast majority voted against Trump, and a far smaller % voted for him, with a distinct whiff of "oops" for many now.
Racism is America's original sin, Jake. We failed to keep slavery out of the Constitution, we failed at Reconstruction, allowing Jim Crow, and we white people have failed to vote in the majority (since the 1960's) to preserve Civil Rights. Your refusal to face the basic issue, racism, drags it out.
That’s a lie. Race is what divides us not class. Just look at the election results. It’s always race, and especially racism towards Black Americans perpetuated by white Americans. Always, always, always. Stop lying!!!
(interjects) Hi. White guy here. It's absolutely about race. SO SO SO much of the MAGA core is motivated by a belief that their ought to be permanent hierarchies in this country: male always above female, white always above non-white, rich above poor. But those hierarchies are IN THAT ORDER, too.
There are 2 great things about making stuff about class for white people. 1-It lets us weasel out of responsibility for dismantling white supremacy or having to acknowledge that we benefit from it. And 2-It lets us be victims too. white people love nothing more than being able to claim victimhood.
How are you doing Can I get a follow back if you don't mind
I don't know if you're white, but since my post is about the white collective, that how I am tailoring my responses. To, for my white collective.
Oh they’re definitely white.
Also, I will not stop making things about race, so your choices are as follows: Mute me and move on. Block me and move on. Listen to me and learn. Depending on your choice, I will also enact my choice of muting you.
We're ultimately on the same side, and I'm not trying to divide further. Apologies. Have a good rest of your day.
Read this This is some of what she's talking about. www.whitesupremacyculture.info/characterist...
As long as you deny race as THE factor at work in US politics, I’m not sure *we* are on the same side.
Racism is certainly the #1 driving factor of Trump's administration. Next highest I'd argue is greed.
It’s the #1 driving factor of WHITE Americans. Period, full stop. Not class, not the price of gas or eggs, not billionaires — just plain old racism.
We are NOT on the same side if you fail to acknowledge racism is a problem just like misogyny is a problem & not just class.
Taking responsibility as white people for what we have done collectively is not division. It’s adulthood. It’s respect for others. The sooner white people take responsibility for what the majority of us have done, the closer we get to actual progress.
I agree that we are on the same side. I also agree with the class issue. But we have to tackle both. It's not an either/or, it's a both. Until we deal with both, neither will be resolved. You enjoy the rest of your day, as well.
If folks are in denial about the realities of how our society is structured are we all really on the same side? Folks like that person will agree on certain issues that impact them but will ignore root issues that will maintain the challenges others experience
I never denied the points the others are making. I agree and understand them. I am simply asking how we overcome them and can beat MAGA in the next elections. We need to convince people to vote for the better candidates. The candidates need more exciting policies. They need to fight the injustices.
more exciting than opposing "I will be a dictator on day one"? GTFO with that BS!
All of this is true as well as the realities of race.
No, they’re not.
I had hoped to make headway with him by finding some sort of common ground. Since he as spent the rest of the day arguing with others about this and not seeing his role as an active racist, I am rescinding my prior statement. He and I are not on the same side. He has a lot more work to do...
The sad part is that he either chooses not to understand or is incapable. 🤷🏾♂️
I don't think *I'm* on the same side as someone who says it's literally more about class and education. It's 2025 & 300,000 probably mostly well-educated Black women have been forced out of their jobs by a racist administration because of racism.
... I was talking about the uneducated obviously. The people Trump says he "loves" and vote Republican at high percentages. We need to force the Dem party to work for the working class instead of their billionaire donors and provide solutions to help these people, pull them away from Trump and MAGA.
1/Who ends up in the working class is heavily determined by race & do not come here talking about Dems not working for the working class. If the white working class cared less about the first word in that phrase they would never vote Republican. On class & every related issue, Dems are superior.
I was hoping that I could make headway with him, but as he has spent the entire day since doubling down, I'm agreeing with you, and rescinding my prior statement. He and I are not on the same side. He has a lot of work to do on himself before I can consider myself on the same side.
Typical Pavlovian class reductionism. Almost always the go to by people who don’t live the racism every day, everywhere.
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Division by race was created by white people for white people and explicitly to keep non-white people from achieving the class statuses white people decided only apply to them but sure. I’ve lived an economically class privileged life. Complete with lots of racism class didn’t prevent.
“Lots of racism class didn’t prevent.” Why Bernie Sanders gets it wrong.
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⬆️ This for me, as well. My Pops had his own business and he gifted me a fabulous bike. When I rode my fabulous, expensive bike into a neighboring town, it didn’t stop the other kids there from calling me and my friend riding with me the n-word.
That’s the white supremacist mantra- I deserve that and you don’t. Tfoh.
They actually really just wanted us gone. As though our very presence lowered the property values. Elmwood Park in the 80s. I love that it’s now a majority Latinx town 🥰
That’s a tough way to live as a kid. You just want to be happy you got a cool new bike. They spoiled that for you. F*ckers.
It’s not a warm and fuzzy memory, but there was a happy ending. They threw a frisbee at us and we caught it and took it with us, so they couldn’t play anymore 😈 We like to think we messed up their fun, too.
Ah ha! Kid justice! I love it.
I can only imagine. If I see it? You know it’s bad. That once over. It’s sickening. Then you look at the ones doing it and I’m like
"Yada yada yada blah blah blah."
I’ve never heard white people praised for voting for the Democratic presidents. Huh.
The people being RACIALLY profiled and deported without due process aren’t white. You “it’s not about race” white people say that because you think it would benefit YOU if everyone stopped talking about race.
I never said that Trump's admin wasn't racist. I agree with you that people of color are being targeted by ICE unfairly and unconscionably. I was talking about the election, and future elections.
Again, you “it’s not about race” white people benefit the most if everyone stops talking about race and that’s why you do it.
How about we just agree that America has racist history and many people in power today are still racist? There are injustices facing people of color today because of our past and we haven't gotten even close to equality / a fair standing in life regardless of color.
It's CURRENTLY racist. Inherently so. So having uncomfortable conversations with other white people is critical, we're SO LATE.
That's what I said.
No, she said having uncomfortable conversations with white people about racism is critical. That was what the person was trying to do when you said “stop dividing by race,” which is literally meant to end the conversation about the current racism in the country in favor of class.
Correct. My approach was wrong. I didn't intend to say we weren't a racist society, I only MEANT (I did this poorly) to say that we need to grow our tent and solve these issues, which usually comes in the form of class-based aid.
This is where I give you my spiel on Intention. When harm is done, especially by accident, due to not paying attention? Intention is meaningless. You are in the thread, but you weren't paying attention. You didn't know about the characteristics, now you do.
Going forward, NOW is when you need to start BEING MORE AND ACTUALLY Intentional. And it applies to EVERYTHING, but ESPECIALLY white men and women in the States. "I just forgot, I didn't mean to, that's not what I meant, it was an accident, why are you so mean?" If you've ever heard said that?
Do you think it’s important to call out and confront racism wherever we see it? If so, then I recommend you stop lecturing people that “it’s not about race.” That’s what white racists do to deflect, deny, and excuse white supremacy.
you, right now, are one of the people being racist by not acknowledging that race is the root cause of EVERYTHING happening right now.
I must've spelled something wrong in my post because I literally just said that our society has a ton of problems especially concerning race. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm trying to figure out ways to BEAT that and get people to VOTE.
If you want to BEAT that, you have to BEAT voter suppression in BLACK communities. That's how you get people to VOTE. Because RACISM is what's losing elections. Did I do that capitalize thing properly?
We have an extremely racist (and sexist/misogynist) present. People are facing injustices today because of our present, not just our past. The structures that enforce straight white male supremacy are not "in the past" but still here, every single day. The election of Trump proves all of that.
I agree. That's what I said.
It's not the past though. It's the present still. All white people are still to this day, racist. Because racism/white supremacy is systemic. Not all whites are prejudiced, but all whites are racist until we dismantle white supremacy. We are actively harming non-white people daily by not doing so.
"All white people are still to this day, racist." Okay, I'm stopping this now because clearly we aren't working off a shared understanding of the word. You and I must be arguing past eachother.
Hi, AfroLatina here. Please read my pinned post, thank you.
You're working off of an understanding that isn't rooted in reality. Everyone else (who isn't you) understands perfectly well what's going on. So yeah, you should definitely see yourself the fuck out of a conversation meant for adults.
You can stop now, and you probably should, but I would encourage you to continue educating yourself on this issue. Please check out my pinned post which will take you to my Antircacism 101 blog project. It will break down things like racism vs. prejudice and how they are not the same thing.
There's also plenty of people on here you could follow to learn more. @johnathanperk.bsky.social, @deardean22.bsky.social @leciamichelle.bsky.social, to name a few. But just listen and learn and don't argue with what they have to teach. It's our job to humble ourselves, listen, and learn.
I'll take a look, thanks for the references.
www.naspa.org/blog/dear-wh...
What part do you play in helping to end white racism? You’re helping perpetuate and continue it when you encourage others to downplay racism in favor of your preferred issue.
"let's stop diving by race", I said. I'm sorry, did I miss the class on how putting people into boxes by color of their skin and judging them all as a collective was the solution to racism?
Yes, you very much did. You need to sit down and learn so much about this. You need to listen to what Black men and women are telling you. Everything I am saying, is what I have learned by just listening.
Someone mentioned the impact of racism and your first thought was “stop dividing by race.” That is downplaying her point to focus on your preferred issue.
You know, that's the best argument I've seen yet. I didn't realize that's what I did but I think you're right. There are multiple layers to Kamala's failure and racism was definitely 1 of them. I meant to argue that there were more (imo more impactful ones), but that wasn't prompted. My bad. I'll go
You were the one telling people to stop talking about race. Are you saying we should agree that there are racists in the country then stop talking about them so that we can focus on class?
